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Doesn't Hunter Class BR use 6X at 300 yards?
I wonder how big their target center is (in moa)?
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I can't remember ever shooting at 1000 yards and wishing my scope had LESS magnification. 
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I can't remember ever shooting at 1000 yards and wishing my scope had LESS magnification. I can.... the fixed 12x was occasionally tough to spot hits/misses with on the 7 Mag. I specifically remember dialing a .300 back from 20x to 8-9x so I could spot hits/misses at 1k. Would you rather have: greater precision to aim the shot..... at the potential expense of seeing the shot, or certainty of seeing the shot/hit.... at the potential expense of greater aiming precision?
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I am beginning to decipher the viable differences between FFP & SFP reticles. It appears to me one of the determining factors is whether you intend to range with your scope or range with electronics. Am I wrong?
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Lots of personal preference plays here.
One of my shooting buds uses a Nightforce ATACR. We were shooting one of his rigs at just over 2000 yards a while back. He liked the magnification up at 20+, I dialed it down to around 11-12X. We both were hitting the same moa size rock (338 Edge, 300gr Bergers).
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My next scope will go to at least 22x, or I am getting a larger target to better read hits.
IME, this is a wise idea. It makes spotting your misses a whole lot easier when they are still hitting steel! If I intend to shoot a 10" square, I often like to use a 16" piece of AR500 and paint a 10" square on the plate. That way if I'm shooting alone and have a hard time spotting the trace or splash of my misses, I can still see the near misses on the plate.
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Jordan, Rick, Drew, Cummins, etc....... we all know 1153 yards is a far piece for 6x glass.... but we all know it CAN be done. I ask this: for big game, and 1-2 MOA targets, what magnification do you feel is necessary to consistently make hits to 1/2 mile? On a 12" and 16" plate I feel quite comfortable with a 6x scope out to 800 meters, so that is what I would say is "necessary". I have hit smaller targets at longer ranges with a 6x (  ), but at the distances in question I prefer 9x, and my ideal is ~10x out to about 1000.
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I don't doubt Jordan can hold a consistent aimpoint on a 1 moa target with a 6X scope, regardless of distance to target. Reticle thickness would be the main thing that might hold someone back.
For reference I've shot clay birds off the 1000 yard berm with a Bushnell 3200 10X without trouble. That's about a 4.5" target, and less than .5 moa at 1K yards. The reticle almost covered the target, but not quite.
As long it's possible to bisect a target with the reticle, one can make repeatable holds on the target.
With my MK4 mentioned above, I most always ran it around 8X for the bigger fov. I shot it past 1K a lot.
Careful, Shane! Apparently by say that, you are claiming that you never miss clay pigeons at 1000!
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I can't remember ever shooting at 1000 yards and wishing my scope had LESS magnification. I can.... the fixed 12x was occasionally tough to spot hits/misses with on the 7 Mag. I specifically remember dialing a .300 back from 20x to 8-9x so I could spot hits/misses at 1k. Would you rather have: greater precision to aim the shot..... at the potential expense of seeing the shot, or certainty of seeing the shot/hit.... at the potential expense of greater aiming precision? I've certainly been shooting steel at 1000 and turned down the magnification...
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I am beginning to decipher the viable differences between FFP & SFP reticles. It appears to me one of the determining factors is whether you intend to range with your scope or range with electronics. Am I wrong? Yes. Please go back and read post #9247557, in which I outline at some length many of the benefits of FFP vs. SFP scopes. Hint- ranging is somewhere wayyy down the list 
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I don't doubt Jordan can hold a consistent aimpoint on a 1 moa target with a 6X scope, regardless of distance to target. Reticle thickness would be the main thing that might hold someone back.
For reference I've shot clay birds off the 1000 yard berm with a Bushnell 3200 10X without trouble. That's about a 4.5" target, and less than .5 moa at 1K yards. The reticle almost covered the target, but not quite.
As long it's possible to bisect a target with the reticle, one can make repeatable holds on the target.
With my MK4 mentioned above, I most always ran it around 8X for the bigger fov. I shot it past 1K a lot.
Careful, Shane! Apparently by say that, you are claiming that you never miss clay pigeons at 1000! Without trouble holding on the target.....grin
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It is interesting that several of you have mentioned no feeling of shortcoming using fixed powers. I have been pretty partial to 6x's to date. Have made some great long range (for me) kills with them and barely gave it a second thought.
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Please go back and read post #9247557, in which I outline at some length many of the benefits of FFP vs. SFP scopes. Hint- ranging is somewhere wayyy down the list Did that, twice. Thanx for the reminder. My mind is made.
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9"X12" IPSC plate at 760 yards on 6 power. Bigger than 1 MOA. ![[Linked Image]](http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo236/rcamuglia/161A2156-FAFB-4688-9B49-BC44EC6E48EC.jpg) Same plate on 18 power... ![[Linked Image]](http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo236/rcamuglia/FF8980AF-8EBE-4EE4-B6A4-ED1F1E3FDDFE.jpg)
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That puts it in perspective.
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Are you taking a poll...... I'll take 18x in that senario!
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Would you rather have: greater precision to aim the shot..... at the potential expense of seeing the shot, or certainty of seeing the shot/hit.... at the potential expense of greater aiming precision?
Much rather have the precision of aiming. It ends up in a more precise shot and an impact. That's the great thing about a Brake. You can spot your shot at the scope's highest magnification and you can shoot better too because of the absense of recoil. That's another thread too. So here's one for you. Do you all have 6 power Binoculars for spotting game and judging them on a long range hunt? LOL
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Are you taking a poll...... I'll take 18x in that senario! Imagine a smaller plate (10") at 400 more yards. 6 power ROCKS! LOL!
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rcamuglia,
Since I have tried to take photos through a scope I am very impressed with the photography. Those are some good shots.
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