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the war on Christians is out of control http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014...who-refuse-to-perform-same-sex-weddings/Two Christian ministers who own an Idaho wedding chapel were told they had to either perform same-sex weddings or face jail time and up to a $1,000 fine, according to a lawsuit filed Friday in federal court.
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Well, here's the problem.
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Saw that too, but what happened to the right to refuse service?
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No one's forcing them to do gay weddings. They can simply stop doing "weddings for profit". They are being forced to choose another profession, but so do we insist that burglars do the same. (No, I am not equating these people with burglars - just pointing out the legal angle).
The whole wedding industry is going to be effected by this - but the Church, IMO, should not be part of the wedding industry. And anybody who does not believe there is such a thing as the "wedding industry" has apparently never had to finance one.
The Church (God's Church) should never have sanctioned any connection of Church weddings to state regulation. IMO, the Church's role in Biblical marriage is or should be completely separate from civil authority. As such, there is no practical or Biblical reason for churches to charge any fee for weddings.
No money changing hands - no authority to regulate. Simple.
JMO. I don't like the way things are going either. I don't agree with any attempt to regulate what The Church may do regarding weddings with her own time and property. But two individuals marrying people for profit does not constitute a Church, IMO.
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No money changing hands - no authority to regulate. Simple.
Hmmmm......
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Just run the liberals off from even wanting to get married there...
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No money changing hands - no authority to regulate. Simple.
Hmmmm...... Whatcha thinkin'? This has been a personal pet peeve of mine for quite some time. I know a lot of folks expect an extravagant church wedding - and that's all fine if they want it. But God's Church should not, IMO, require payment for a ceremony to sanction the joining together of a man and a woman in Holy Matrimony. I don't see where that is in accordance to the Bible this is supposed to be based in. Nor do I agree with the customary promotion of such weddings (the ones that cost money) by the church community. Of course - -I can only speak for Biblical Christian faith as I understand it (and I'm trying really hard). I can't see any justification for a Christian wedding in a Christian Church having a price tag.
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Getting married in a church shouldn't cost anything.
Blowing a wad of Daddy's money on the reception is a different matter.
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If they are running their chapel as a commercial enterprise they will be subject to such non-discrimination enforcements in many/most jurisdictions. Refusing to perform on the basis of their religious convictions is all good and proper, but religious freedom does not extend to a for-profit enterprise that serves the general public in most instances.
As businesspersons, one way they could deal with this is to have ready a hired gun minister whose principles differ and who is willing to come in and do the dirty deed - for pay, of course.
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Getting married in a church shouldn't cost anything.
Blowing a wad of Daddy's money on the reception is a different matter.
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Saw that too, but what happened to the right to refuse service? Protected status has been expanded by many states to include homosexuality in addition to other sexual deviance.
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The "ministers" are no men of the cloth. They are pimps selling a service, same as any drive-in chapel in Vegas. I'd no more consider their ordination or their sermons "holy" than I would that of Jim Bakker or any two-bit salesman and his prayers.
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Saw that too, but what happened to the right to refuse service? "Interstate commerce"...
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No one's forcing them to do gay weddings. They can simply stop doing "weddings for profit". They are being forced to choose another profession... Pray tell, why should one have to give up their human rights just because they are engaging in commerce? I know that makes it convenient for the Church of State to force everyone to worship at it's alter. All those that is, except those who don't eat. But what is your excuse for advocating the abandonment of human rights?
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Good question, but my answer will have to wait until I'm off work.
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Can they do that if the religion does not recognize it
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The "ministers" are no men of the cloth. They are pimps selling a service, same as any drive-in chapel in Vegas. I'd no more consider their ordination or their sermons "holy" than I would that of Jim Bakker or any two-bit salesman and his prayers. You're half right. One of them is a woman.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
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