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What happened to hunting magazines printing hunting stories from the writers? They seem to be filled with "how to" articles and "new rut info the the whitetails brain."

I on the can reading the latest Outdoor Life and it had a bunch of gibberish and one article on a 10 day hunt in BC that turned into 14 days due to bad weather. That was the type of article that kept me awake many nights thinking about hunting moose, caribou, and big rutty bucks.

Do those types of articles no longer sell? Is there a magazine that has more of these types in it instead of how great the Savage Stainless Hunter in 338WM and the new Tasco scope are?

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You hit it Tom. The " me and Joe" stories already happened and don't have time or space for planned product placement.


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Those stories used to keep me up nights planning my "hunts." Sneaking through the brush with my not yet acquired m94 30-30, setting up my tent camp for a 2 week hunt in the spruce filled north in search of a buck, back packing in to a wilderness and winging it... Hoping to find food before I starved.

I had stacks of of sports afield and outdoor life that kept my mind off my school work and onto the trajectory of a 30-06. Why the 94 is better than the 336, thanksgiving deer hunts in northern WI national forests.

We need more of those because they'll still have the same effect on me. grin


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I miss those stories also. I would buy the magazines that have those kind of stories and I know others would. How can we get them to appear in the mags?


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Originally Posted by tzone
Those stories used to keep me up nights planning my "hunts." Sneaking through the brush with my not yet acquired m94 30-30, setting up my tent camp for a 2 week hunt in the spruce filled north in search of a buck, back packing in to a wilderness and winging it... Hoping to find food before I starved.

I had stacks of of sports afield and outdoor life that kept my mind off my school work and onto the trajectory of a 30-06. Why the 94 is better than the 336, thanksgiving deer hunts in northern WI national forests.

We need more of those because they'll still have the same effect on me. grin


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This is the only magazine I subscribe to anymore. It's pretty good. Not perfect, but what is?


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Couldn't agree more, not a writer, but tried of track shoe hunting boot style stories, still hunt with my grandfathers compass. I do enjoy RLN from JB and EC, seems to get more usefull and "other info" out there. Just tagged a nice blacktail and need to break out their "Sausage Season" book for laying up some breakfast, Cajun, and Irish Breakfast sausage for this year. And by the way, it's the M95 30/40 gov, that's the ticket for West Slope Cascades, :-)


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Originally Posted by tzone
What happened to hunting magazines printing hunting stories from the writers? They seem to be filled with "how to" articles and "new rut info the the whitetails brain."

I on the can reading the latest Outdoor Life and it had a bunch of gibberish and one article on a 10 day hunt in BC that turned into 14 days due to bad weather. That was the type of article that kept me awake many nights thinking about hunting moose, caribou, and big rutty bucks.

Do those types of articles no longer sell? Is there a magazine that has more of these types in it instead of how great the Savage Stainless Hunter in 338WM and the new Tasco scope are?


"Joe and me" type of writing, along with outdoor humor stories, are no longer wanted for the most part.

It seems editors want wham bang reviews/short technical articles about equipment for today's city living hunters. They don't want to read about sneaking up on a buck, the campfire, the colour of the changing leaves, etc. They want a synopsis of scopes, cartridges and rifles that will work for their reader's annual one week in the field.

You're living in the past. It's time and data management these daze.


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Times have changed for sure. That's why I like to track down Barsness' articles nowadays. OL, F&S, and a few others are a real good place to track down some boner medicine though.


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I remember when growing up, my Grandpa had a stack of magazines. Id go through them every hunting season it seemed like, reading the stories. Loved all the hunting stories they had back then. Of course I always had to look for Pat McManus' stories for a good laugh!

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Agreed!

I look for John Barsness and Phil Shoemaker articles because they most often apply to my type of hunting and experiences. These two have extensive real hunting experience and don't pump the latest gizmos and gadgets. They write of reliable and practical rifles and cartridges for the hunter.

When you see other hunters in the airports of Alaska, you can often figure out which articles they read and videos they watch.

In fact.....I should write an article about that. wink

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Tom, the lack of magazine content may explain the popularity of certain aspects of the 'fire. My favorites here are when the hunting camp stories start appearing. I always try to add a bit about what happens at our place. Sadly as time and people pass it is less and less.


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Sometime in the 1980's one of the smaller magazine publishing companies figured out they could sell more advertising in their gun and hunting magazines if the articles mentioned lots of products from the advertisers. This lead to other magazines doing the same thing, and the result was fewer hunting stories. Today a lot of "hunting" articles are actually thinly disguised articles about new guns, ammo, scopes, etc.

But part of the reason this worked was more and more American hunters were living in cities and suburbs, and at the same time good public-land hunting was shrinking, especially in more populous states. One basic rule of outdoor sports is that when people can't actually do them as much, they tend to obsess over equipment between trips. Many increasingly urban American hunters actually seem to prefer gear-oriented articles, because they want to make sure their relatively few chances at game are successful.

I made most of my living writing hunting and fishing stories, both narrative ("Me and Joe") and how-to until the 1990's, when the transition toward more gear-oriented articles really took over. I started doing more gun writing and now they're the majority of my income. There simply weren't enough "hunting story" markets left to get by, though I still publish a few a year.


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Here's something that I've posted for Remembrance Day the past few years. I believe it's called Veteran's Day in the US. We observe it on November 11th. The story is a loose marriage of war, memories of days gone by, and hunting. It's not McManus. It's not technical. It's not in vogue.

Gramps
Copyright 2007 - Stephen Redgwell

It's hard to believe that over twenty years have gone by since the last time I visited Gramps' farm. It�s located in Prince Edward County in eastern Ontario, on the road between Picton and Cherry Valley. Gramps had 150 acres that was used for mixed farming - primarily hay and dairy cattle.

He bought the place in 1919 for $150. That was a lot of money back then. He got a special government loan after returning home from France at the end of World War One. The money had to be paid back at one dollar a month, and he never defaulted. He was a hard worker and his dairy cattle produced a steady supply of milk that was easily sold. By the summer of 1931, Gramps was a paid in full member of the local farming community.

In some respects, it must have been tough coming home after the war. Everyone used to say that he had aged far beyond his years because of the fighting. They said that when he was away in France, he always worried about his family waiting back in Ontario.

When I was in my twenties, I got a rare look into Gramps� past. I had just joined the army and he told me about what the service was like when he was in uniform. He never talked about the war, so this was a private moment between us. He spoke about the noise and the dead lying around on the battlefield. He described the musty, dirty smells of the trenches. Did I know that there were rats? They fed on anything - army horses, farm animals and human corpses.

One memory that's always stuck with me was when Gramps described seeing a man cry for the first time. He was embarrassed and ashamed. Gramps felt that he was intruding on another person's privacy, but where could he go? You couldn�t leave the trenches. Grown men would just sit by themselves, weeping openly. No one said anything. He finished off by saying that the trip back to Canada was a lonely time. Every day he sat on the deck of the ship, staring into space, re-living the memories of what would become �the war to end all wars�.

"No one learned a lesson from that." was all he said.

He was actually one of three boys that went overseas to fight the Hun. Gramps was the only one that returned. His two brothers � Edward and Terry - died within hours of each other at Vimy Ridge, on the morning of April 9th, 1917. The fighting, the loss of his siblings and worrying about family took its toll.

Dad said that Gramps never talked to anyone about the days before 1919. Every Remembrance Day however, Gramps would dutifully go to the service at the local cenotaph. He never cried, but always seemed to drift away for a few minutes, staring into the distance - looking in vain for his two lost brothers perhaps.

Gramps died in 1986, but the farm is well cared for by a property agency. The fields are rented out to neighbours to cover the agency fees and taxes.

The 1870s era farmhouse looks much the same as it did when it was built. With the single addition of an indoor toilet in 1961, it stands as a snapshot of a bygone era. I'll always remember it that way.

My first memories of the place were visits in the early 1960s. Unlike our farm, Gramps had no electricity or running water. There was a small pump in the kitchen and a larger one outside, a few feet from the front porch. A large wood stove provided heat. It also provided the hot water for baths, dishes and the laundry.

Whenever I went for a visit, Grandma used to chase Gramps and me out the door. He loved to go bird hunting but didn�t do enough of it. Grandma would say,

�Go out and get me a nice pheasant Gramps, and some rabbits too. I�m sick of chicken!�

Summer and early fall were my favourite times to go hunting. As a child, I enjoyed the simple pleasure of exploring the farm, oblivious to possession limits or the need to bring something home. Being outdoors was enough and Gramps helped instill that feeling by being one of my early hunting companions.

We�d spend our Saturdays walking around the hay fields or stalking the hardwood thickets that hid our supper. I think that Gramps secretly liked to play hooky from his farm chores and be a kid again. I carried an old single shot Cooey. Gramps had his 12 gauge side by side.

I was always leading the way, my 22 ready for anything. Gramps was a real good spotter. Whenever he saw a rabbit or a bird that he figured I could hit, he�d tap me on the shoulder, point and whisper.

�Look over there, Steve. About twenty yards away, under that maple.�

My rifle would bark, and if I was lucky, there would be game for the pot. Those were the memories that I treasure the most.

In 1986, I went to visit Gramps while on leave from the army. Ten years earlier, I had joined the Canadian Forces. I was unsure of how the family would take it back then, but I needn�t have worried. Both Dad and Gramps were proud that I had chosen to serve, but sad that I would be away from home. Nonetheless, they supported my decision and wrote me often, wherever in the world I went.

When I got to the farmhouse, Grandma met me at the door, gave me a big hug and said to come inside.

�I know it�s been about six months since you last visited us, Steve. I wanted to tell you that Gramps isn�t feeling well. He�s lost some weight and has trouble walking. Come on, he�s looking forward to seeing you.�

I went into the living room and saw Gramps sitting by the window, staring outside at the fields. He wasn�t the man I talked to last spring. He turned and smiled at me, looking very tired and frail. Gramps must have seen the reaction in my face because he said, �Come over and sit beside this old man, son. I won�t bite.� Then he looked at Grandma and said, �Why don�t you get us some tea, mother?�

Gramps waited for Grandma to go into the kitchen before speaking.

�Don�t look so sad, Steve. No one lives forever. A few years ago, the doctor told me that I had a cancer. It�s finally caught up to me. Oh, don�t worry. You know that poem about not going gently into the good night? Well, I ran ahead of it as long as I could.�

My eyes welled up with tears. I tried, but couldn�t say anything. Then Gramps said,

�Last night I dreamed about my brothers. I haven�t done that in years. Ed, he was the oldest, he used to tell me that I�d be the traveller in the family. Well, I proved him wrong. Except for going to France in the First War, the farthest I�ve never been is Toronto. I�ll rub that in his face when I see him.�

Gramps was saying goodbye. I had to keep it together.

�When you retire from the service, make sure that you come back here to live. You can settle down and take over this old place. It�s in good shape. I�ll leave my 12 gauge for you to use. You never did get a shotgun of your own. Take your 22 out of retirement and give it to your kids.�

We spent the afternoon chatting about all sorts of things. We reminisced about the farm, growing up and later on, when I first joined the military. We laughed about Grandma, how the crows used to follow us when we went rabbit hunting and that, even after sixty years, army boots fit no better than when Gramps was in.

Just before supper, Gramps told me to go to my dad�s place and have something to eat. I could come back later. He gave me a picture of him taken in 1917, standing proudly in his uniform. He also handed over a box with his medals inside. He said to put them away for safekeeping. He said that future generations of our family mustn�t forget their relatives or anyone in uniform. He wanted his great-grandkids to see his picture and be able to touch his medals.

A little before 5:00 PM on Nov 10, 1986, I left for dad's house. Gramps passed away less than an hour later.
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Mule Deer. I always enjoyed your "rifles and woodsmok" column and wish you would bring that back. And I miss Pat Mcmanus.


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When 400-600+ shots on deer and elk became popular and long range hunting shots became the norm, nothing much of a story can come from that...not much to tell but bang flop. Don't usually hear about the bang, oh crap shots for obvious reasons. I like to read more about bow hunting stories, stalking these days, because I consider it more like the hunt I remember and still do.

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Originally Posted by Steve Redgwell
Here's something that I've posted for Remembrance Day the past few years. I believe it's called Veteran's Day in the US. We observe it on November 11th. The story is a loose marriage of war, memories of days gone by, and hunting. It's not McManus. It's not technical. It's not in vogue.

Gramps
Copyright 2007 - Stephen Redgwell

It's hard to believe that over twenty years have gone by since the last time I visited Gramps' farm. It�s located in Prince Edward County in eastern Ontario, on the road between Picton and Cherry Valley. Gramps had 150 acres that was used for mixed farming - primarily hay and dairy cattle.

He bought the place in 1919 for $150. That was a lot of money back then. He got a special government loan after returning home from France at the end of World War One. The money had to be paid back at one dollar a month, and he never defaulted. He was a hard worker and his dairy cattle produced a steady supply of milk that was easily sold. By the summer of 1931, Gramps was a paid in full member of the local farming community.

In some respects, it must have been tough coming home after the war. Everyone used to say that he had aged far beyond his years because of the fighting. They said that when he was away in France, he always worried about his family waiting back in Ontario.

When I was in my twenties, I got a rare look into Gramps� past. I had just joined the army and he told me about what the service was like when he was in uniform. He never talked about the war, so this was a private moment between us. He spoke about the noise and the dead lying around on the battlefield. He described the musty, dirty smells of the trenches. Did I know that there were rats? They fed on anything - army horses, farm animals and human corpses.

One memory that's always stuck with me was when Gramps described seeing a man cry for the first time. He was embarrassed and ashamed. Gramps felt that he was intruding on another person's privacy, but where could he go? You couldn�t leave the trenches. Grown men would just sit by themselves, weeping openly. No one said anything. He finished off by saying that the trip back to Canada was a lonely time. Every day he sat on the deck of the ship, staring into space, re-living the memories of what would become �the war to end all wars�.

"No one learned a lesson from that." was all he said.

He was actually one of three boys that went overseas to fight the Hun. Gramps was the only one that returned. His two brothers � Edward and Terry - died within hours of each other at Vimy Ridge, on the morning of April 9th, 1917. The fighting, the loss of his siblings and worrying about family took its toll.

Dad said that Gramps never talked to anyone about the days before 1919. Every Remembrance Day however, Gramps would dutifully go to the service at the local cenotaph. He never cried, but always seemed to drift away for a few minutes, staring into the distance - looking in vain for his two lost brothers perhaps.

Gramps died in 1986, but the farm is well cared for by a property agency. The fields are rented out to neighbours to cover the agency fees and taxes.

The 1870s era farmhouse looks much the same as it did when it was built. With the single addition of an indoor toilet in 1961, it stands as a snapshot of a bygone era. I'll always remember it that way.

My first memories of the place were visits in the early 1960s. Unlike our farm, Gramps had no electricity or running water. There was a small pump in the kitchen and a larger one outside, a few feet from the front porch. A large wood stove provided heat. It also provided the hot water for baths, dishes and the laundry.

Whenever I went for a visit, Grandma used to chase Gramps and me out the door. He loved to go bird hunting but didn�t do enough of it. Grandma would say,

�Go out and get me a nice pheasant Gramps, and some rabbits too. I�m sick of chicken!�

Summer and early fall were my favourite times to go hunting. As a child, I enjoyed the simple pleasure of exploring the farm, oblivious to possession limits or the need to bring something home. Being outdoors was enough and Gramps helped instill that feeling by being one of my early hunting companions.

We�d spend our Saturdays walking around the hay fields or stalking the hardwood thickets that hid our supper. I think that Gramps secretly liked to play hooky from his farm chores and be a kid again. I carried an old single shot Cooey. Gramps had his 12 gauge side by side.

I was always leading the way, my 22 ready for anything. Gramps was a real good spotter. Whenever he saw a rabbit or a bird that he figured I could hit, he�d tap me on the shoulder, point and whisper.

�Look over there, Steve. About twenty yards away, under that maple.�

My rifle would bark, and if I was lucky, there would be game for the pot. Those were the memories that I treasure the most.

In 1986, I went to visit Gramps while on leave from the army. Ten years earlier, I had joined the Canadian Forces. I was unsure of how the family would take it back then, but I needn�t have worried. Both Dad and Gramps were proud that I had chosen to serve, but sad that I would be away from home. Nonetheless, they supported my decision and wrote me often, wherever in the world I went.

When I got to the farmhouse, Grandma met me at the door, gave me a big hug and said to come inside.

�I know it�s been about six months since you last visited us, Steve. I wanted to tell you that Gramps isn�t feeling well. He�s lost some weight and has trouble walking. Come on, he�s looking forward to seeing you.�

I went into the living room and saw Gramps sitting by the window, staring outside at the fields. He wasn�t the man I talked to last spring. He turned and smiled at me, looking very tired and frail. Gramps must have seen the reaction in my face because he said, �Come over and sit beside this old man, son. I won�t bite.� Then he looked at Grandma and said, �Why don�t you get us some tea, mother?�

Gramps waited for Grandma to go into the kitchen before speaking.

�Don�t look so sad, Steve. No one lives forever. A few years ago, the doctor told me that I had a cancer. It�s finally caught up to me. Oh, don�t worry. You know that poem about not going gently into the good night? Well, I ran ahead of it as long as I could.�

My eyes welled up with tears. I tried, but couldn�t say anything. Then Gramps said,

�Last night I dreamed about my brothers. I haven�t done that in years. Ed, he was the oldest, he used to tell me that I�d be the traveller in the family. Well, I proved him wrong. Except for going to France in the First War, the farthest I�ve never been is Toronto. I�ll rub that in his face when I see him.�

Gramps was saying goodbye. I had to keep it together.

�When you retire from the service, make sure that you come back here to live. You can settle down and take over this old place. It�s in good shape. I�ll leave my 12 gauge for you to use. You never did get a shotgun of your own. Take your 22 out of retirement and give it to your kids.�

We spent the afternoon chatting about all sorts of things. We reminisced about the farm, growing up and later on, when I first joined the military. We laughed about Grandma, how the crows used to follow us when we went rabbit hunting and that, even after sixty years, army boots fit no better than when Gramps was in.

Just before supper, Gramps told me to go to my dad�s place and have something to eat. I could come back later. He gave me a picture of him taken in 1917, standing proudly in his uniform. He also handed over a box with his medals inside. He said to put them away for safekeeping. He said that future generations of our family mustn�t forget their relatives or anyone in uniform. He wanted his great-grandkids to see his picture and be able to touch his medals.

A little before 5:00 PM on Nov 10, 1986, I left for dad's house. Gramps passed away less than an hour later.
---


Thank you for sharing that touching story, Steve. Both my grandpas were hunters, but they both passed within less than 6 months of each other when I was only 11. I never had a chance to hunt or fish with either of them.



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I agree that I would really like to see more of these types of stories in the hunting mags, but they aren't there since, as MD and others have said, the market just isn't there anymore. However, I've found that there are more hunting stories in Sports Afield than any other hunting magazine. A lot of them are about far away, more expensive outfitted hunts such as in Africa and Asia, but there are still a few about deer and elk hunting every so often.

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I think one reason you don't see many "hunting stories" in magazines anymore is because we see so many here on the 24HCF and other internet sites; one can view them at any time.

Our deer season here is much later than many parts of the country, yet I get to read and see all types of hunts.

Don't get me wrong, gunwriters have some fantastic stories, but a few gunwriters can't touch the numerous hunts by even more people.

I will say I "discovered" shrapnel and some guy at Capitol Sports in Helena even through "equipment" articles, so the personal accounts are still there.

But I've learned more about how deplorable they can be in real life, on the internet......I've even met some of them, which is far better than any story.

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I enjoy Eastman's. The stories are all by the hunters, about their hunts.

Writing quality varies - some hunters write well - others don't. But they're from the gut. These are stories that the guys toiling up the slopes, spending hours and hours glassing, moving camp after disappointment, and finally making a killing shot on big game tell. They're worth reading.

It's not the quality of writing we expect from polished writers, but it's full of good stories from good guys and gals who put it all together out in the hills and tagged their game. Yeah, I like Eastman's.

Heck, sometimes they hardly even mention the rifle, scope or load used. Kind of refreshing.

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My thanks to you all.

You want those kinds of stories back? Bombard the magazines and newspapers with your wants. Be relentless. Kidnap their first born. Threaten to take out alternative citizenship. Write letters. Emails don't get the job done. Do what the city boys do: be a pain on their Facebook pages and threaten the advertisers that you will stop wearing pastels.

Write the publisher, then write the editor. Stop watching hunting television. Stop buying Japanese made pickups! (I just bought a Ford F150 SCab).


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Steve, that was great!

Part of the reason I switched from trying to write as a career to writing for my own enjoyment is precisely this. No one wanted to spend money on character development anymore. Nobody seemed to care about working a plot line. I do not think it was the readers, but it certainly was the editors. Even good non-fiction should have these things-- especially non-fiction if you are going to give an accurate portrayal. Mule Deer's right; it's become all about the cargo and not the trip.

I was thinking about McManus the other day. That is about all I miss of Outdoor Life since I gave up my subscription over the Zumbo fiasco. I always wanted to write more like him. Somebody wrote me the other day and said he thought I wrote like him, and it made my day

It matter a whit if you're shooting 30 WSM or 30-06, but if you can catch your guide slyly telling the other guy he's a doofus, and the other guy is too dense to pick up on it-- that's almost better than nailing any deer. Painting that picture and giving it honorable treatment is where it's at. At least it is for me.

As to McManus, he was the one thing I miss about Outdoor Life since I gave up my life-long subscription over the Zumbo incident. I always wanted to write like him. Somebody, the other day, wrote me and said I reminded him of McManus. I wrote back that he'd made my day. It does not match Steve's piece about his Grandfather, but here's something that might have caught me trying to channel McManus:

O.D. and Playing the Wind

I've decided to chronicle my doings with my neighbors, O.T. O.D., and O.P. and the others here in the Trans-Bluegrass. Kentucky is the land of 4 million people and 5 last names. In our county, the deer probably outnumber the people 2:1.









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Thanks Steve. That's exactly what I was asking about!


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You know Shaman,you have some pretty good stuff on your website, I like it. keep up the good work.

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Thanks folks. A couple other things. Don't just write one letter. Write often, and don't stop. Get friends to do the same. For many months. Twice a month. Communicate. Do it often. Do not stop.

Remember Miracle on 34th Street? I'm thinking about the court case where thousands of letters to the post office are dumped on the judge's desk. The judge declares Kris Kringle to be the real Santa Claus. He wasn't going to dispute the post office. Volume wins!

Write the advertisers. For many months. Twice a month. And your friends too. Get your kid's class to write. Name drop. Tell them it's too bad that the folksy and/or funny stories have disappeared.

But do it with real paper, not just emails. It's actually easy. Write the email. Save the email. Print it. Make it look like a properly written letter and mail it.

Name drop. If you remember Gramps and the kid going bird hunting with an 870, tell Remington. For many months. Twice a month. And your friends too.

Remember, all the big companies are ruled by old, fat white guys who only care about money. If you can convince them that people will spend their money after reading things like this, they'll change.

It won't happen overnight. When it does happen, continue to write them. Tell the boardroom how great it is to read stuff like that. Stroke their egos.

Above all, bombard them with paper letters just as much as emails.

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Steve, you have a rare gift. Thank you for the telling.

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Thanks T-zoner for putting your finger right on it and Steve Redgwell for giving a prime example of it. Conscious of it or not I think we all need to be part of this, the hunt ,the experiences shared and the camadrie of it all in the field. Techno geek articles leave me without the feeling of being there with the teller way to many times. We've all seen a few posts so well done about hunts we will never make, that we felt we were actually along on. Sheep hunts, bear hunts Mackay's 12 yo daughter doe deer hunts and Northern Dave's deer camp. These are the tales we relate too and can appreciate.. Magnum _Man

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Alas, the fact is that Ernest Hemingway, Robert Ruark, nor William Shakespere himself, couldn't sell a "Me and Joe" piece these days. Also, trying sell a piece on anything - from gigging frogs to building a thermonuclear bomb - that is longer than1200-1500 words, would drive a Baptist preacher to drink. It matters not what the readers want to read, it is what the publishers/advertising guys/gals want to publish. There are a couple exceptions, but not many. That is a major reason why most of the outdoor magazines these days suck big time. I am really glad that I am in the twilight of my career and not trying to start out.

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Get the Ted Trueblood Hunting Treasury. Even the instructional chapters (actually articles) are told in an artful storytelling kind of way. I am reading it now, and every chapter is an absolute treat. They just don't write many articles like that anymore.

I will say that grabbing and reading old outdoor magazines is fun, but some of the writing is bland, uninspiring, and sounds like ad copy. This is similar to today's magazines, although I agree with John that the article as an infomercial concept has gotten worse.

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I think Ed Zern would starve today. It's sad that we've lost the humor and fascination with the sport and trekked out of wild places and into the realm of expensive gadgets. frown


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Alas, the fact is that Ernest Hemingway, Robert Ruark, nor William Shakespere himself, couldn't sell a "Me and Joe" piece these days. Also, trying sell a piece on anything - from gigging frogs to building a thermonuclear bomb - that is longer than1200-1500 words, would drive a Baptist preacher to drink. It matters not what the readers want to read, it is what the publishers/advertising guys/gals want to publish. There are a couple exceptions, but not many. That is a major reason why most of the outdoor magazines these days suck big time. I am really glad that I am in the twilight of my career and not trying to start out.


More's the pity. I doubt the average internet user could maintain focus for more than 6-8 paragraphs today.

We have devolved into the age of "ICS" as it relates to hunting/shooting today...tactICS, ballistICS. There are even ICS to help you hear in the woods and keep you in a scent-free zone but l forget the names.

Hunters today seem to want this stuff. They are a grim and determined bunch....camo clad, running through the woods staving off wolves with high tech bows and treating the experience like a tactical maneuver instead of a recreational experience. Judging from the advertisements.

I am not sure they are enjoying themselves...they never smile. This machismo must appeal to someone because they sre selling lots of stuff.

Older magazines showed tired beat up huntrrs s ith simple gear but who smiled and looked happy enjoying the experience.

How you can be happy on a mountain with a 13# rufle and all the stuff you have to carry to keep with all the ICS is beyond me.

I can't imagine many of these guys sitting through The Road To Tinkertown


but maybe they could .

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One reason for no hunting stories is there are no stories. I went to MY land and carefully snuck in so I wouldnt move deer to someone else. I stood in a stand for three days and shot a deer that came to my baitpile. The end. So much hunting has become about the gear, my land and ME the stories have died. Sorry for my early AM cynicism!!!










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This isn't going to come out exactly how I mean it but I don't know how else to say it. To go along with Bobinnh's post, equipment has become more important than knowing how to hunt.




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Originally Posted by Dillonbuck


One reason for no hunting stories is there are no stories. I went to MY land and carefully snuck in so I wouldnt move deer to someone else. I stood in a stand for three days and shot a deer that came to my baitpile. The end. So much hunting has become about the gear, my land and ME the stories have died. Sorry for my early AM cynicism!!!




Leave out the baitpile, and you pretty much have my hunting season. I am not going to argue that after 13 years it could all run together, but a good part of why I write is to keep it from doing so. 13 years on the same land can be a bore, but it also open up possibilities.

For instance, I am now hunting the great-great-great grand kids of the deer I first hunted in 2001. Over time, you begin to see patterns. I grew up the son of an apartment landlord. The idea of hunting and eating the tenants and their progeny with impunity is something my father could only dream of. I am living that dream.

There was raising the kids. The whole idea of getting this place was so that the kids would not grow up as suburban mall rats. I have succeeded. My youngest is hunting as an adult for the first time this year. I now have a grandchild coming on line. I am already planning her yute gun.

Most important to me, has been the evolution of our deer camp. It isn't about just hunting. All my old hunting buddies died off 30 years ago, and I set out to start over and make my own camp, filled with my own progeny. It took 30 years and two wives, but I got there. My stories are the pay-off.

As to the style of hunting you describe, I could not agree more. Things change. I hunt in an extremely . . .

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The how to hunt story with a Joe and I are the ones I liked. Fur fish and game still has those, sometimes.

I enjoy the more pragmatic articles on loading and shooting, but the "better gun" articles aren't in that vien. Most of the true things I learn about firearms these days are from people who love what they do, and are old and wise - not much of them left either.

I guess you can tell I don't get as many trade rags as I used too, one more friggin article on the evil black rifle.... Vs. creating a legacy buy inspiring anyone to hunt.

This year I took a buddy and kids Pdog hunting, and we've going after elk here this next week thanks to some help of fellow fire members. I'm also helping a guy at work learn how to deer hunt. That is a heck of a lot funnier than reading about new gun. SO as part of the training there are NO go read this magazine recommendations.

Yes, I work overtime and don't have as much down time as I'd like to hunt, which tends to only leave enough time to research gear and shop a bit, but that doesn't keep me coming back to the articles now does it. Seems everyone is after the fast buck, vs. long term value these days - gotta love bank investors.

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We tend to rehash these observations every once in a while. Here are a few jumbled thoughts about our brave new world.

The way humans communicate and learn has changed. The days of waiting for a monthly magazine to arrive in the mailbox are pretty much gone. Searching online is the norm now. Instant gratification is the thing.We don't rely on paper magazines anymore to show off new products or check out reviews. More's the pity.

I just bought a new truck. Before the purchase, I searched the Internets and read the online reviews. I looked at pix. I went to several forums for personal experiences. It dawned on me after a couple of days that I should actually go to the car lots, touch some, sit in them and form my own impressions.

Online opinions? I could read about pickups, but had to be very careful. I did not know or trust the people that wrote them. Opinions are like a$$holes, everybody's got one. Virtually every new vehicle smells nice and thoughts about someone's new ride is almost always glowing. In other words, not very helpful.

The same goes with rifles. Rather than rely on a bunch of online reviews posted by strangers, try going to the gun shop. Pick one up and work the action. Fondle it. Ask some questions. Gather your own evidence and form your opinion based on personal experience. You can supplement what you've learned with online experiences.

Trust has to be earned, and is based in large part on observations formed over a long period of time. We used to have that with writers whose work we read every month for years. To a lesser degree, newspaper columnists who wrote about the outdoors. They have less influence these days.

I never rely on a handful of opinions, good or bad, that are gleaned from the Interwebs. Much of the online chatter about products is regurgitated by people who read about it somewhere else. They go to another forum and re-post it to sound knowledgable, but what do they really know? Good Lord, do you trust them?

Years ago, we read a handful of writers and valued their opinions. We were not overloaded with technical information, glitzy pics, satellite delivered hunting shows or bombarded with thoughts posted by "Internets experts". Once upon a time, we had to wait. The upside to waiting for a monthly magazine was that you had a while to think on things before you took out your wallet.

I know, we didn't have much of a choice, and I'm not saying the online experience is all bad. The trick is to find a balance. I like the animation and videos posted about new products. Being able to read industry news or communicate easily with others is nice. Still, you have to be careful. Unfortunately, one of the casualties of the new reality is the loss of reliable, knowledgable people whose words we can trust.

The computer is just another tool to gather opinions. The Internets can be valuable, but should never be the only place to look and learn. Get out of your chair!

That's the way life and learning has shifted. People want instant info and get it from the Net. People are less inclined to read magazines. Cute or funny stories about the outdoors have a tough time finding an outlet. People want more video and less of the written word. Show me the vid! If they want entertainment, they have youtube, Netflix or satellite television.

I offer a belated welcome to the new reality.

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OK. I'm back.

Things change. I hunt in an extremely condensed environment-- lots of deer and lots of hunters. On the Opener, I may hear 3 shot strings per minute for the first 4 hours. My parcel of land is 200 acres. Around me, there plots of 18 to 300 acres. I figure there is 1 hunter per 4 acres on average. There are also a lot of deer. We are in Zone 1, which means take as many doe as you want, but just one buck per year. Safety alone dictates that you are careful where and how you move during season.

My point in bringing this up is that this is the reality of deer hunting, at least in my part of the world. It probably does not sell magazines, but what I write is an honest portrayal.

With that number of hunters and that many deer. We also have to be careful with how we use the property. Most of my neighbors ( I call them the Orange Army) mount up on ATV's and ride everywhere. My crew walks, and we use a 4X4 pickup judiciously. About 9 AM the Orange Army cranks hops on their ATV and rides out for coffee and that is when our hunting really cranks up.

I'm explaining all this, because that is what the "Me and Joe" story has morphed into on our ridge. There is not a whole lot of tech involved, unless you want to discuss which bullet out of a 30-06 kills a deer inside 50 yards. Innovation? We haul the deer back to camp and gut head-up. Why? Because it is the fastest we found and we have to get our deer out to the processor before his cooler fills up. Strategy? In a nutshell: Make your resident doe happy and then use them for bait during the rut. After the rut, top off the freezer with pampered doe.

Exotic? No. However, it is fun and exciting for me and mine, and I love writing about it.




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Books are the solution.

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of fine hunting books out there, many at bargain prices or even free in electronic versions. Get a tablet or a Kindle (very reasonable and probably the best device for serious reading), start hitting the used bookstores and flea markets and even yard sales. Check Amazon.

Magazines, with few exceptions, have devolved into 100-page advertisements, offering almost no worthwhile content to balance the sales pitch. Outdoor TV shows, again with very few exceptions, are even worse, as in addition to the NASCAR-style sponsor rants, they subject you to almost endless phony redneck grab-ass "humor" and narcissic sentimentality. Lobbying publishers and producers to put out the stuff you want, as opposed to the stuff their sponsors want, is about as futile as trying to get your dog to stop licking his junk.

Books can be read and re-read and give your children something else to fight over when you're dead.

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"Internets"!!!

Please, somebody tell me there's not another one!


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Does anybody know if the is a compilation of Russel Anabel's Sports Afield articles or a book of any/all of his stories/-Muddy

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"Internets"!!!

Please, somebody tell me there's not another one!


There's several. We just don't see all of them.


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Muddy, Safari Press offers a 5 book set of all Russell Annabel's stories. Magnum Man

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I try to do a write up here on 24 Hour when I have an interesting hunt. Do it more as a daily travel log with pictures. I have one started on the big game forum, Forty Year Moose. It will take me a couple more days to finish. Check it out and let me know what you think.

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I see entirely too much of one of them, for sure!

Good story, by the way.


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Here's something that I've posted for Remembrance Day the past few years. I believe it's called Veteran's Day in the US. We observe it on November 11th. The story is a loose marriage of war, memories of days gone by, and hunting. It's not McManus. It's not technical. It's not in vogue.

Gramps
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It's hard to believe that over twenty years have gone by since the last time I visited Gramps' farm. It�s located in Prince Edward County in eastern Ontario, on the road between Picton and Cherry Valley. Gramps had 150 acres that was used for mixed farming - primarily hay and dairy cattle.

He bought the place in 1919 for $150. That was a lot of money back then. He got a special government loan after returning home from France at the end of World War One. The money had to be paid back at one dollar a month, and he never defaulted. He was a hard worker and his dairy cattle produced a steady supply of milk that was easily sold. By the summer of 1931, Gramps was a paid in full member of the local farming community.

In some respects, it must have been tough coming home after the war. Everyone used to say that he had aged far beyond his years because of the fighting. They said that when he was away in France, he always worried about his family waiting back in Ontario.

When I was in my twenties, I got a rare look into Gramps� past. I had just joined the army and he told me about what the service was like when he was in uniform. He never talked about the war, so this was a private moment between us. He spoke about the noise and the dead lying around on the battlefield. He described the musty, dirty smells of the trenches. Did I know that there were rats? They fed on anything - army horses, farm animals and human corpses.

One memory that's always stuck with me was when Gramps described seeing a man cry for the first time. He was embarrassed and ashamed. Gramps felt that he was intruding on another person's privacy, but where could he go? You couldn�t leave the trenches. Grown men would just sit by themselves, weeping openly. No one said anything. He finished off by saying that the trip back to Canada was a lonely time. Every day he sat on the deck of the ship, staring into space, re-living the memories of what would become �the war to end all wars�.

"No one learned a lesson from that." was all he said.

He was actually one of three boys that went overseas to fight the Hun. Gramps was the only one that returned. His two brothers � Edward and Terry - died within hours of each other at Vimy Ridge, on the morning of April 9th, 1917. The fighting, the loss of his siblings and worrying about family took its toll.

Dad said that Gramps never talked to anyone about the days before 1919. Every Remembrance Day however, Gramps would dutifully go to the service at the local cenotaph. He never cried, but always seemed to drift away for a few minutes, staring into the distance - looking in vain for his two lost brothers perhaps.

Gramps died in 1986, but the farm is well cared for by a property agency. The fields are rented out to neighbours to cover the agency fees and taxes.

The 1870s era farmhouse looks much the same as it did when it was built. With the single addition of an indoor toilet in 1961, it stands as a snapshot of a bygone era. I'll always remember it that way.

My first memories of the place were visits in the early 1960s. Unlike our farm, Gramps had no electricity or running water. There was a small pump in the kitchen and a larger one outside, a few feet from the front porch. A large wood stove provided heat. It also provided the hot water for baths, dishes and the laundry.

Whenever I went for a visit, Grandma used to chase Gramps and me out the door. He loved to go bird hunting but didn�t do enough of it. Grandma would say,

�Go out and get me a nice pheasant Gramps, and some rabbits too. I�m sick of chicken!�

Summer and early fall were my favourite times to go hunting. As a child, I enjoyed the simple pleasure of exploring the farm, oblivious to possession limits or the need to bring something home. Being outdoors was enough and Gramps helped instill that feeling by being one of my early hunting companions.

We�d spend our Saturdays walking around the hay fields or stalking the hardwood thickets that hid our supper. I think that Gramps secretly liked to play hooky from his farm chores and be a kid again. I carried an old single shot Cooey. Gramps had his 12 gauge side by side.

I was always leading the way, my 22 ready for anything. Gramps was a real good spotter. Whenever he saw a rabbit or a bird that he figured I could hit, he�d tap me on the shoulder, point and whisper.

�Look over there, Steve. About twenty yards away, under that maple.�

My rifle would bark, and if I was lucky, there would be game for the pot. Those were the memories that I treasure the most.

In 1986, I went to visit Gramps while on leave from the army. Ten years earlier, I had joined the Canadian Forces. I was unsure of how the family would take it back then, but I needn�t have worried. Both Dad and Gramps were proud that I had chosen to serve, but sad that I would be away from home. Nonetheless, they supported my decision and wrote me often, wherever in the world I went.

When I got to the farmhouse, Grandma met me at the door, gave me a big hug and said to come inside.

�I know it�s been about six months since you last visited us, Steve. I wanted to tell you that Gramps isn�t feeling well. He�s lost some weight and has trouble walking. Come on, he�s looking forward to seeing you.�

I went into the living room and saw Gramps sitting by the window, staring outside at the fields. He wasn�t the man I talked to last spring. He turned and smiled at me, looking very tired and frail. Gramps must have seen the reaction in my face because he said, �Come over and sit beside this old man, son. I won�t bite.� Then he looked at Grandma and said, �Why don�t you get us some tea, mother?�

Gramps waited for Grandma to go into the kitchen before speaking.

�Don�t look so sad, Steve. No one lives forever. A few years ago, the doctor told me that I had a cancer. It�s finally caught up to me. Oh, don�t worry. You know that poem about not going gently into the good night? Well, I ran ahead of it as long as I could.�

My eyes welled up with tears. I tried, but couldn�t say anything. Then Gramps said,

�Last night I dreamed about my brothers. I haven�t done that in years. Ed, he was the oldest, he used to tell me that I�d be the traveller in the family. Well, I proved him wrong. Except for going to France in the First War, the farthest I�ve never been is Toronto. I�ll rub that in his face when I see him.�

Gramps was saying goodbye. I had to keep it together.

�When you retire from the service, make sure that you come back here to live. You can settle down and take over this old place. It�s in good shape. I�ll leave my 12 gauge for you to use. You never did get a shotgun of your own. Take your 22 out of retirement and give it to your kids.�

We spent the afternoon chatting about all sorts of things. We reminisced about the farm, growing up and later on, when I first joined the military. We laughed about Grandma, how the crows used to follow us when we went rabbit hunting and that, even after sixty years, army boots fit no better than when Gramps was in.

Just before supper, Gramps told me to go to my dad�s place and have something to eat. I could come back later. He gave me a picture of him taken in 1917, standing proudly in his uniform. He also handed over a box with his medals inside. He said to put them away for safekeeping. He said that future generations of our family mustn�t forget their relatives or anyone in uniform. He wanted his great-grandkids to see his picture and be able to touch his medals.

A little before 5:00 PM on Nov 10, 1986, I left for dad's house. Gramps passed away less than an hour later.
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Shaman, have to say reading your post about the realities of your deer hunting circumstance I thought that sounds about how it is for me too only then did I look at your location. The sad thing is for eastern hunters we live in what is a rural area, I can't imagine what it must be like in more populated areas.

Having said that I am torn between trading off ole Betsey for a 7mm weatherby magnum with a 4-16 scope so I fling those high BC billets and get a flatter trajectory. My 308 just isn't getting out there fast enough ;-)

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Originally Posted by bangeye
Shaman, have to say reading your post about the realities of your deer hunting circumstance I thought that sounds about how it is for me too only then did I look at your location. The sad thing is for eastern hunters we live in what is a rural area, I can't imagine what it must be like in more populated areas.

Having said that I am torn between trading off ole Betsey for a 7mm weatherby magnum with a 4-16 scope so I fling those high BC billets and get a flatter trajectory. My 308 just isn't getting out there fast enough ;-)


I think we have a huge disconnect anymore. What we dream about as hunters is no longer the reality. Heck it may have been that way for 50 years for all I know. In fact it may never have been what we expected.

Years ago I used to read Outdoor Life and dream. I wanted to fish real fish and hunt real deer. Then I started going to the places I'd read about and it was nothing like what I read. In the end, I had to admit that I'd been taken. What I was doing, I liked, so I stayed with it, but this wasn't what I signed up for.

The Greater Ohio Valley is one of the most beautiful and rich sporting destinations out there. Cincinnati is at the heart of it, but you never think of either as a premier hunting destination. Growing up, folks around me always wanted to go deer hunting in Michigan or go fishing in Canada or Florida. What the heck was I thinking all those years?

I have seen Musky jump in the river less than 10 miles from my farm. I have had elk, bear, and bobcat on my property. However, I know very few people that would point to Bracken County Kentucky as a sports Mecca. And who knows? Maybe I'm living in a sports slum. Maybe your place is tons better, but nobody writes about either, so we won't know.

I am at least trying to do my part to fix it. The deer hunting at The Hole in the End of the Stump Deer Camp may not be pretty, but it's real.

BTW: I'd keep Betsy and pick up and move closer. My rigs are set up for a maximum 250 yards, and I think I've actually taken one at 170 yards. Hitting flyspecks are not my cup of tea and you may find they are aren't yours. Remember that the average whitetail east of the Mississippi is taken at under 80 yards.





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