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Do you think it's fair that my home state of New Mexico allocates 84% of the permits to residents, 10% to guided hunters, and 6% to DIY nonresidents when the vast majority of the hunting takes place on federal land? Do you think it's fair to charge a nonresident 29X what a Montana resident pays? How would your parents feel if the state of Minnesota dictated the number of residents and nonresidents that could hunt on their land? This is exactly what I was talking about. It's BS........
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Do you think it's fair that my home state of New Mexico allocates 84% of the permits to residents, 10% to guided hunters, and 6% to DIY nonresidents when the vast majority of the hunting takes place on federal land? Do you think it's fair to charge a nonresident 29X what a Montana resident pays? How would your parents feel if the state of Minnesota dictated the number of residents and nonresidents that could hunt on their land? This is exactly what I was talking about. It's BS........ Would you like to see a federal hunting license to hunt on federal land? This would entail federal game wardens to enforce federal law. It also would mean that all game animals on federal land belong to the feds. How do we keep the animals on federal land from crossing over onto state and private land?
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Too bad posters haven't looked as to why the feds control public lands and why the manage as they do. Also interesting how some one in particular seems to know alot about CO yet hasn't hunted in how long?
AS far as access - I only have 52% lung capacity been down with congestive heart problems, have a thoroughly screwed back along with other such minor problems. Where was I a week ago? Between 9500 and 11,000 ASL chasing critters and not whining about how I can't.
Campfire my butt, this is the whinefest.
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Folks can't figure out hunting is a state regulated activity, of state animals.
Feds take care of their responsibilities like camping, recreation, access, off road travel, water, leasing, use fees.
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Folks can't figure out hunting is a state regulated activity, of state animals.
Feds take care of their responsibilities like camping, recreation, access, off road travel, water, leasing, use fees.
Kent The Feds actually only grant the state the power to regulate hunting and fishing on public lands because it's cheaper to do so, rather than have to hire their own force of game wardens and biologists to deal with all of it. Each state has an MOU with the feds.
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A foot rail? A foot trail? What foot trail? I'd love to see a foot trail. Game trail maybe but no foot trails. This country ain't Colorado. This particular trail is actually open to livestock and foot travel. I just call it a foot trail. Sorry you've never seen one, and think there are none in Montana, but that's not my problem. If you had, maybe we could have an intelligent conversation on the subject.
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Too bad posters haven't looked as to why the feds control public lands and why the manage as they do. Also interesting how some one in particular seems to know alot about CO yet hasn't hunted in how long?
AS far as access - I only have 52% lung capacity been down with congestive heart problems, have a thoroughly screwed back along with other such minor problems. Where was I a week ago? Between 9500 and 11,000 ASL chasing critters and not whining about how I can't.
Campfire my butt, this is the whinefest. I don't care what Colorado does as long as it says in Colorado. I'm glad you are able to do that. More power to you.
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Folks can't figure out hunting is a state regulated activity, of state animals.
Feds take care of their responsibilities like camping, recreation, access, off road travel, water, leasing, use fees.
Kent The Feds actually only grant the state the power to regulate hunting and fishing on public lands because it's cheaper to do so, rather than have to hire their own force of game wardens and biologists to deal with all of it. Each state has an MOU with the feds. State animals, feds don't own the animals. It would be a legal fight of state constitutions. Kent
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A foot rail? A foot trail? What foot trail? I'd love to see a foot trail. Game trail maybe but no foot trails. This country ain't Colorado. This particular trail is actually open to livestock and foot travel. I just call it a foot trail. Sorry you've never seen one, and think there are none in Montana, but that's not my problem. If you had, maybe we could have an intelligent conversation on the subject. You are probably right. Colorado and Montana are two different countries with a different cultures.
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Kent, I understand, but they doo indeed have MOU's with each state.
That fight over state's rights was long ago. I think we need another.
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Folks can't figure out hunting is a state regulated activity, of state animals.
Feds take care of their responsibilities like camping, recreation, access, off road travel, water, leasing, use fees.
Kent The Feds actually only grant the state the power to regulate hunting and fishing on public lands because it's cheaper to do so, rather than have to hire their own force of game wardens and biologists to deal with all of it. Each state has an MOU with the feds. State animals, feds don't own the animals. It would be a legal fight of state constitutions. Kent Kent, Exactly. Those whining about being NRs could move, or hunt elsewhere. Limited resources, in demand, and proper management of the game populations require restriction of access and tags.
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It'll take a lot more than that. I'm 67 with back and leg issues. I can walk and get around pretty good in town but not out in the woods not any more. Sorry, I didn't realize this thread was about you, your needs, and your physical infirmities. Big game hunting is a physical sport. Because the animals live out in the woods and mountains, and you have to go get them. You may even have to walk a mile. At some point in everyone's life, they find they're unable to continue. But if you open up the countryside to motorized access everywhere, the hunting suffers. For everyone. It's not about me it's about access to hunting. Montana is big country that needs transportation to access the wild areas. Whether it's horse, horse drawn carriage, ATV, UTV or whatever transportation is needed. Heck, it's getting easier to get access to hunt private land than it is to hunt federal land. Montana is not called Big Sky Country without a reason. Bullschit. There are a LOT of hunters who WALK into "Big Sky Country" every year to hunt. Hell, horses are permitted even in wilderness areas. Transportation is not "needed"; it's "wanted". Can't drive there? Fine; walk or ride a horse. You can still get there and no one has locked it off completely. Hell, you (derby_dunce) don't even hunt. WTF are you whining about?
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Do you think it's fair that my home state of New Mexico allocates 84% of the permits to residents, 10% to guided hunters, and 6% to DIY nonresidents when the vast majority of the hunting takes place on federal land? Do you think it's fair to charge a nonresident 29X what a Montana resident pays? How would your parents feel if the state of Minnesota dictated the number of residents and nonresidents that could hunt on their land? This is exactly what I was talking about. It's BS........ Would you like to see a federal hunting license to hunt on federal land? This would entail federal game wardens to enforce federal law. It also would mean that all game animals on federal land belong to the feds. How do we keep the animals on federal land from crossing over onto state and private land? No. And I don't think I alluded to such........
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Do you think it's fair that my home state of New Mexico allocates 84% of the permits to residents, 10% to guided hunters, and 6% to DIY nonresidents when the vast majority of the hunting takes place on federal land? Do you think it's fair to charge a nonresident 29X what a Montana resident pays? How would your parents feel if the state of Minnesota dictated the number of residents and nonresidents that could hunt on their land? This is exactly what I was talking about. It's BS........ Would you like to see a federal hunting license to hunt on federal land? This would entail federal game wardens to enforce federal law. It also would mean that all game animals on federal land belong to the feds. How do we keep the animals on federal land from crossing over onto state and private land? No. And I don't think I alluded to such........ So, what do you want?
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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To DD, If you can't run with the big dogs and hunt the steep hills out west, go to Nebraska, quit whining, and leave us alone. I just saw a doctor yesterday for my knees, but I'll keep hunting, just slower every year.
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Heck, it's getting easier to get access to hunt private land than it is to hunt federal land.
For clarification purposes, this is coming from someone who never leaves the house.
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Heck, it's getting easier to get access to hunt private land than it is to hunt federal land.
For clarification purposes, this is coming from someone who never leaves the house. Exactly. Federal land? Park at a parking location and WALK in. How fookin' hard is THAT?
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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More tags allocated to nonresidents at fairer prices on Federal lands.....
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Would you like to see a federal hunting license to hunt on federal land? This would entail federal game wardens to enforce federal law. It also would mean that all game animals on federal land belong to the feds. How do we keep the animals on federal land from crossing over onto state and private land? No. And I don't think I alluded to such........ Under our present system wild life is State property and managed by the State with the Feds blessings. The Feds have given serious thought to charging an access fee to access federal property. So far the thought has gone nowhere at least in Montana. Montana charges more for out-state hunters because the out-state hunters don't live in Montana and pay taxes such as income taxes. Montana has taken the attitude that if you want to pay lower hunting fess move to Montana, become a tax paying resident and pay less to hunt. By Montana I'm referring to the state government.
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More tags allocated to nonresidents at fairer prices on Federal lands..... There's the whole issue of supply and demand for a limited resource that needs to be managed quite closely. You can b!tch all you want, but it's a state issue and as a non-resident, you don't have a say (and shouldn't) because the wildlife are managed at the state level, not the federal level. So, unless you want 1) federal management, or 2) to move to a certain state, you're ass out and should be.
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