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Originally Posted by Klikitarik
�create more or fewer regulations?

I am reminded, when I listen to the law enforcement and justice system proponents in Alaska, (they suggest legalization will lift the need for enforcement related to marijuana) that perhaps more laws and regulations will replace the more basic, straightforward prohibitions currently in place. Alcohol enforcement certainly seems to be an issue. I just don't see the logic in the arguments that some of the proponents put forward. What am I missing?

(BTW, I suppose it's no surprise that many teenagers seem to be very supportive of legalization. I would think that they might find themselves disappointed by the fact that it probably won't change much as far as they are concerned, if it passes.)


I'm for legalization but that doesn't mean I'm against regulation.


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I'll be voting no here in a week or so.

I don't mind the dopers doping it up at home. My little corner of the world sure has it's share of idiots, and them staying home is fine with me. Legalized.. now I'm actually going to have to see them.

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you don't have a case. the republican party needs to represent the values of a conservative and not hand us watered down socialists.


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I will vote my conscious and not a McCain or Romney (two of my favorite democrats) again; the party better run a true conservative if they want my vote in the future.


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Complete decriminalization, taxed like cigarettes.

Remove the money incentive, remove most of the problems.

Correct.

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Originally Posted by 700LH
Complete decimalization, taxed like cigarettes.

Remove the money incentive, remove most of the problems.




Mathman?



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Your case is exactly on point. Vote your "conscious" and you are voting for the next Hussien. Maybe worse.


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If marijauana is legalized in Oregon I will grow it and probably make more than I'll ever make growing grapes.

We have all the permits from the feds, the state, and county to make, sell, import, and export; beer, wine and cider on premises and off. Shouldn't be too difficult to get the permits to do same with dope.

I voted for it.


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You guys don't get it.
The republican party asked the citizens if they wanted their socialism with or without a phone. Romney? The only guy who couldn't challenge Obama on socialized healthcare?
We had one candidate that said downsize govt, reduce spending, return to the Constitution. The republicans crapped on him. I'm voting for a Conservative, period. If repubs don't want to run one, then they lose my vote. Running a Romney or McCain is handing the reins to the dems.


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The obvious answer is more regulation before there was law making it illegal tying up law enforcement enforcing pot laws, jails, courts, etc. Like prohibition. Now it regulated and taxed like alcohol. No big deal. What are some suggesting open the door to moonshining and have at atmosphere for pot and booze? Drinking wood alcolhol smoking rat laced pot? Hey that's the free market! Gov butt out! We don't need any stinkin state regulation. Viva Libertarianism!

I'm not aware of any major problems locally. There is an issue of driving impaired, unlike alcohol it is harder to nail down. But my guess about the same number are driving stone as before. I've heard 0 stories locally other than the DUI standard, sorting out employee use and shortages at stores. It's new and will take some time to sort the details. In short for the most part "pot problems in Colorado" are a none issue. Yawn.......

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Originally Posted by Spanokopitas

If marijauana is legalized in Oregon I will grow it and probably make more than I'll ever make growing grapes.

We have all the permits from the feds, the state, and county to make, sell, import, and export; beer, wine and cider on premises and off. Shouldn't be too difficult to get the permits to do same with dope.

I voted for it.


Good luck with that Federal permit.

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I just find it rather interesting that the pro-dopers have enlisted various law entities to suggest that LEO and courts will, by legalizing it, be able to use their resources for more important things (like catching a few more red light runners would be a good start here.) I'm thinking legalization will increase the number and detail of the laws and regulations however, so that argument is empty. They also have one former officer who says he doesn't remember having to deal with violent behaviors related to dope- unlike alcohol. I guess he must have been privileged in his career; there have certainly been plenty of incidents that I am aware of that make the Snickers Diva ads seem very, very tame. Lots of women (the ones with the income) have been beaten for refusing to front the money for some righteous toking.


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Originally Posted by 458 Lott
Anytime you give government more money, they will create more regulations, and more jobs to enforce them.

Big marijuana, big taxes, bigger government.

I don't like any of those three, and certainly not all three of them together.


This. We cannot let them give us a freedom back, on one hand, and enslave us on the other. Taxing it is BS. Either we are free, especially of .gov, or we aren't.

The last thing we want is bigger government.


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You guys have no clue how dangerous legalization is. Its not the smoked pot - it's the edibles made from refined MJ oils. They are making candy, cookies, chocolates, brownies, drinks - you name it. Largely unregulated. The rates of cannabis psychosis are skyrocketing.

My cousin that I went hunting with last weekend is a psychiatrist in Denver and he's buried two patients from it in the last year and he has put many young people in long-term institutional care because the edibles cause a lifetime of psychosis because it rewires the brain if first time or casual smokers take a huge dose of edibles. Before moving to Colorado, he'd never seen a single case a cannabis psychosis but deals with it regularly now that it's been legalized.



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Originally Posted by WyColoCowboy
The rates of cannabis psychosis are skyrocketing.


My wife's uncle missed our wedding because a local doper went off on our wedding day�.and her uncle had waited long for the day (which she promised would likely never happen). Her uncle was a cop and had to be the escort to get looney-Harry away from the scene to Nome. My soon-to-be wife was scared out of her wits that day because this dude was looking for her with news that the horses had gotten out of our house and were running loose. (We don't keep horses in our house nor have there been horses anywhere around for many decades.) I'm no fan of that crap.


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Originally Posted by Klikitarik
What am I missing?




Marijuana really hasn't been legalized in the U.S. - rather, certain people are being permitted to violate federal law. Follow the money.


yep,instead of Iran-Contra its Colorado- __________


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Originally Posted by eh76
more problems...just at look Colorado


the medical use issue is on the ballot here in Florida this year. It is a proposed Constitutional Amendment. Right now, it's anyone's guess as to whether or not it passes.
Medical use is like the proverbial camel's nose under the tent. It's not long before the entire beast has taken over.


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Originally Posted by Spanokopitas

If marijauana is legalized in Oregon I will grow it and probably make more than I'll ever make growing grapes.

We have all the permits from the feds, the state, and county to make, sell, import, and export; beer, wine and cider on premises and off. Shouldn't be too difficult to get the permits to do same with dope.

I voted for it.


Just so you are aware, you will have to make a choice between your Pot Crop and your Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

Marijuana is still a Schedule I Controlled Substance and it's use or possession makes one a "Prohibited Person".

There are dozens of cases where Legal pot growers have been arrested by the Feds for Drug Trafficking with firearms involved. So, if you wish to grow Legal pot you cannot own or possess any Firearms.


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Well Said!


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