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Link to ArticleIn this season where we seem to be hearing about another murder by police every week or so, I've read a lot of anti-cop stuff, most of it merely angry and unconsidered. I certainly understand the anger, but it's unfortunate to see people writing before they think. Enter Gary North. He's been doing some thinking, and that's refreshing to see. Of course, he's probably a little too innovative for the taste of most of the folks here, but I still find his ideas new and fresh...although they're actually not new at all. Excerpt:
A policeman would gain obedience, like James Stewart in Destry Rides Again, through judicial empowerment. He would not threaten anyone with immediate violence. He would simply say, �Folks, I�ve got a problem here. This person is resisting arrest. Would three of you accompany me to the local station with this individual?�
He would blow his whistle, and a dozen sawed-off shotguns accompanied by people would be there within 60 seconds.
Every member of society would be trained from an early age to honor the law as an adult by being willing to carry a handgun. Everyone would see himself as a defender of the law and a peace-keeper. Guns would be universal. Every criminal would know that the man or woman next to him is armed and dangerous. He would be surrounded at all times by people who see their task as defending themselves and others against the likes of him.
The only person he could trust not to shoot him dead in his tracks for becoming an aggressor would be the policeman on the beat. The aggressor�s place of safety would be custody.
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867
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I like it! Probably impractical in the projects, ghettos, etc. Even outside these areas it would take a generation at least. Of course, all the libs would have to die.. 
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He would blow his whistle, and a dozen sawed-off shotguns accompanied by people would be there within 60 seconds.
Bwahahahaha
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Would a cop get to carry a weapon for purely defensive reasons? Seems a line cop, without citizens around to protect him, would make an easy target. Could he enlist citizens to accompany him throughout the day to protect him, like Roman soldiers enlisting citizens to carry their stuff?
In theory, I'm 100% behind the idea. Id just prefer to not get mugged while walking around by myself.
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Would a cop get to carry a weapon for purely defensive reasons? Seems a line cop, without citizens around to protect him, would make an easy target. Could he enlist citizens to accompany him throughout the day to protect him, like Roman soldiers enlisting citizens to carry their stuff?
In theory, I'm 100% behind the idea. Id just prefer to not get mugged while walking around by myself. Quite whining. You will have 12 vigilantes with scatterguns to avenge you 59 seconds after you die.
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barak: What "weekly murders" (and the corresponding convictions in court!) are you referring to?
It appears you should be very careful to follow EXACTLY the directions on your medications bottles!
Something is dreadfully wrong with you.
I can't figure out who sounds more idiotic YOU or the guilt ridden dimwit you cite???
Sheesh!
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Link to ArticleIn this season where we seem to be hearing about another murder by police every week or so, I've read a lot of anti-cop stuff, most of it merely angry and unconsidered. I certainly understand the anger, but it's unfortunate to see people writing before they think. Enter Gary North. He's been doing some thinking, and that's refreshing to see. Of course, he's probably a little too innovative for the taste of most of the folks here, but I still find his ideas new and fresh...although they're actually not new at all. Excerpt:
A policeman would gain obedience, like James Stewart in Destry Rides Again, through judicial empowerment. He would not threaten anyone with immediate violence. He would simply say, �Folks, I�ve got a problem here. This person is resisting arrest. Would three of you accompany me to the local station with this individual?�
He would blow his whistle, and a dozen sawed-off shotguns accompanied by people would be there within 60 seconds.
Every member of society would be trained from an early age to honor the law as an adult by being willing to carry a handgun. Everyone would see himself as a defender of the law and a peace-keeper. Guns would be universal. Every criminal would know that the man or woman next to him is armed and dangerous. He would be surrounded at all times by people who see their task as defending themselves and others against the likes of him.
The only person he could trust not to shoot him dead in his tracks for becoming an aggressor would be the policeman on the beat. The aggressor�s place of safety would be custody.
Sir Robert Peel felt the same way hence the "Bobbies" in London.
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Would a cop get to carry a weapon for purely defensive reasons? Seems a line cop, without citizens around to protect him, would make an easy target. Could he enlist citizens to accompany him throughout the day to protect him, like Roman soldiers enlisting citizens to carry their stuff?
In theory, I'm 100% behind the idea. Id just prefer to not get mugged while walking around by myself. Quite whining. You will have 12 vigilantes with scatterguns to avenge you 59 seconds after you die. I haven't even started all my whining! My belt is heavy, Barak says I can trade it in for a rape whistle.
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Gary North the Y2K huckster? A con artist wanting the police to be made less effective, There's a shock.
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I like it! Probably impractical in the projects, ghettos, etc. Actually, I was thinking it'd probably be most effective in dense population centers, and least effective in rural areas. The thing that bends my brain is the completely different attitudes and mindsets such a reversal (everybody disarmed except the cops -> everybody armed except the cops) would have to produce in cops, mundanes, and criminals. I still prefer privatizing the police, but North's idea is even more innovative than that. I like innovation, at least to think about.
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867
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There's a word for unarmed people: victims. That would go for unarmed cops as well. Probably more so.
And I'll not entertain anything Great Britain does as an example thank you very much.
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I haven't even started all my whining! My belt is heavy, Barak says I can trade it in for a rape whistle. How many pullups can you do wearing that belt?
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Depends. Is the pull-up bar threaded through a dozen glazed?
If so, I could get up there at least a dozen times.
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Depends. Is the pull-up bar threaded through a dozen glazed?
If so, I could get up there at least a dozen times. Even with a 2L of Dr. Pepper in each cargo pocket?
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There's a word for unarmed people: victims. That would go for unarmed cops as well. Probably more so. I agree. Never heard of/read this North clown, but not surprised Barak follows his tweets. If we're talking utopia, how about universal concealed carry..........ALL states get the hell outta the way of it's non-felon citizens carrying firearms. And I'll not entertain anything Great Britain does as an example thank you very much. Ditto. It appears they're circling the drain even faster than we are. No need to follow their lead on anything.
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Depends. Is the pull-up bar threaded through a dozen glazed?
If so, I could get up there at least a dozen times. Or just once with decent hang time?
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Gary North has been around quite a while........ http://www.garynorth.com/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_North_%28economist%29 quite involved with Christian Reconstruction......... http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=North%2c%20Gary Best, GWB
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Gary North ? , is he the one that played Dennis the Menace on TV years ago ?
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its a two edged sword, you don't want the cop responding to your wife being raped at knife point by 5 urban children to be unarmed, nor do you want to see little Joey getting killed for holding an airsoft gun. It sucks to be human, I like the body camera's and more tasers ideas but can't see a cop facing lethal force without himself possessing the ability to administer lethal force.
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Got a better idea, why not disarm all the armed protection types for all the governors, the president, etc. for the next ten years and see how that works out.
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