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If you can live with a Ruger American or a modern Savage, there is no way you could grasp the love for pre 64 model 70's.
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Some people will take their beat up pickup that is broken down half the time over a new one.
Some people say they like their flip phones and wouldn't trade it for a newer model.
Some people...
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Spotshooter: If you have to ask then you aren't smart enough to understand any of the reasons!
You deserve a 1966 vintage Model 70!
Sheesh!
Hold into the wind
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Huh? So that isn't a part of the allure for you?
I have a thing for custom Mausers, Springfields, and would love a pre-64 Model 70 someday. In addition to the list offered by the OP I'd be lying if I said it has nothing to do w/ nostagia.
Did I touch a nerve there?
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The old guns had soul. Most newer ones, not so much.
If that doesn't make a difference to you, you can't understand.
Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote.
*Marvin Simkin* L.A. Times (1992)
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That sounds like nostalgia to me?
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Spotshooter: If you have to ask then you aren't smart enough to understand any of the reasons!
You deserve a 1966 vintage Model 70!
Sheesh!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy Yes, the key to a successful line of rifles is to make a decent rifle for several years then stop production and follow it up with a POS.
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Unless of course, it's from the Custom Shop  ![[Linked Image]](http://www.lavikinga.com/jorge/9.jpg) YOU SUCK! (Unless you will the rifle to me...)
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Unless of course, it's from the Custom Shop Nice rifle, Jorge. What's the chambering? 270~snicker
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Some people will take their beat up pickup that is broken down half the time over a new one.
Some people say they like their flip phones and wouldn't trade it for a newer model.
Some people... Couldn't this same argument be made against the pre-64 crowd in favor of a MRC or Kimber 84 action? Seems to me those have all of the features that make the pre-64 M70 desireable plus a couple more? I've always thought a pre-64 rifle (complete with enough "done to it" to make it less costly collector-wise) in 264 WM, 30-06, 338 WM, or 375 H&H would be FANTASTIC as a work-every-season rifle. I don't collect rifles I hunt 'em so maybe some of this pre-64 stuff is lost on me.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with a post 64. All I have had were better shooters the the pre 64s. Unbelievable that guys will pay more for a rem 700 and turn their nose up at a push feed mod 70.
I do love the pre 64 more for the image than function.. And they are just plain worth more...
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Some people will take their beat up pickup that is broken down half the time over a new one.
Some people say they like their flip phones and wouldn't trade it for a newer model.
Some people... Couldn't this same argument be made against the pre-64 crowd in favor of a MRC or Kimber 84 action? Seems to me those have all of the features that make the pre-64 M70 desireable plus a couple more? I've always thought a pre-64 rifle (complete with enough "done to it" to make it less costly collector-wise) in 264 WM, 30-06, 338 WM, or 375 H&H would be FANTASTIC as a work-every-season rifle. I don't collect rifles I hunt 'em so maybe some of this pre-64 stuff is lost on me. Until they start milling the feed lips into the receiver, they will never be the equal of a pre-64 model 70; I don't care what "features" they have.
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Probably as big as anything is the pre-64 controlled round feed action, versus the later push feed. A reliability issue. Can you show documented cases where the CRF actually saved someone's azz? one time at a band camp hunt in Rhodesia there was this girl with a crf flute
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How'd that work out when the tuba line charged?
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The old guns had soul. Most newer ones, not so much.
If that doesn't make a difference to you, you can't understand. Well put.
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Perhaps an in depth discussion of the manufacturing techniques would be more beneficial to the tire kickers here. Much like with S&W you can loosely map, chronologically speaking, manufacturing changes.
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I don't think I've ever heard more than conspicuous jibber jabber and raving of how the "post 64" rifles are junk and the pre-64's are better... so my question is can you list what one should be looking for.. Kind of a hitch-hikers guide if you will.
Can someone cleanly state what parts and processes changed.
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The accuracy or other reasons.
So far the only one I remember that was mentioned like that (not that I know this is true)
1) Metal to wood finish "fit" is better on a pre-64?
2) Metal to metal (bolt to action, lug contact, ... ) are tighter ?
3) Blueing is higher quality ?
4) The barrels were made by hot looking Swedish chicks listed in the 223 AI thread.
I was Born in 64 so I want to know....
Lists are meaningless.....I know you want it laid out in print, but you can't have it. Run (shoot and hunt and abuse if you want) 30-40 of them,and 30-40 of anything else you want that came from a factory, comparably priced. Shoot 20-30,000 rounds through them all (a good start). You'll answer your own question. 
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The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I'vehad and hunted a pre64 model 70 in 30-06. wasn't impressed by anything more than what I was offered for it. I sold it to the sucker for a grand and laughed all the way to the bank. he even let me keep the scope sure it was a nice rifle, but no better than my ruger m77mk2. the ruger is smoother, more accurate and the trigger is nicer. not poo-pooing the pre 64's at all, they are fine, I just don't get why folks drool over em and fall over themselves to hold one.
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So reading between the lines -
Are you guys saying the design of the action changed in 64 ?
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Perhaps an in depth discussion of the manufacturing techniques would be more beneficial to the tire kickers here. Much like with S&W you can loosely map, chronologically speaking, manufacturing changes. YES GOD PLEASE..
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