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If it's being done for weather protection I recommend the rifle be done inside and out. Everything but the chamber and bore. Make sure you ask because it is very common for guys to skip some of internals. Don't forget your sling swivels and studs. How much of the internals do you actually do? Meaning, do you disassemble it down to every screw and spring, and coat them? Or simply spray in the general direction? I ask because one claimed positive of Birdsong BlackT is that they disassemble completely and start from the bottom up.
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We coat a lot of shotguns that are hunted in salt water. Being fully coated is required to protect the metal as much as possible. On a Remington 1100 even the staked in shell latch is removed, coated and restaked in place. We use the same level of care for all firearms. The chamber and muzzle are plugged and the action is prepped and coated inside and out. Stripped to individual parts and everything is done separately. Screws, pins, some springs, c-clips, bolt lugs, bolt face, firing pin, cocking piece extractor, ejector plunger, etc. The lug recesses are only done directly if the barrel is removed. On revolvers and semi autos even the trigger sears are done. I don't split Remington and some other triggers for coating. They hardly work as is. Other makes the trigger parts are done. Coil springs can't be blasted very well or it changes their spring rate. We can lightly blast and then Microslick those if it is for an extreme application. Not all applicators do this. This is how we were factory trained.
Birdsong is the only product that refuses to be independently tested. What specifications they do give it is about 1/10th the coating durability of the ceramic based Cerakote.
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Thanks. At risk of sounding like I want to make a silk-purse out of a sow's ear, I have an H&R Handi in 44 mag that I have become attached to and would like coated. This is exactly what I was looking for.
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We coat a lot of shotguns that are hunted in salt water. Being fully coated is required to protect the metal as much as possible. On a Remington 1100 even the staked in shell latch is removed, coated and restaked in place. We use the same level of care for all firearms. The chamber and muzzle are plugged and the action is prepped and coated inside and out. Stripped to individual parts and everything is done separately. Screws, pins, some springs, c-clips, bolt lugs, bolt face, firing pin, cocking piece extractor, ejector plunger, etc. The lug recesses are only done directly if the barrel is removed. On revolvers and semi autos even the trigger sears are done. I don't split Remington and some other triggers for coating. They hardly work as is. Other makes the trigger parts are done. Coil springs can't be blasted very well or it changes their spring rate. We can lightly blast and then Microslick those if it is for an extreme application. Not all applicators do this. This is how we were factory trained.
Birdsong is the only product that refuses to be independently tested. What specifications they do give it is about 1/10th the coating durability of the ceramic based Cerakote. You got a website or anything to get in touch with you?
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Thanks. At risk of sounding like I want to make a silk-purse out of a sow's ear, I have an H&R Handi in 44 mag that I have become attached to and would like coated. This is exactly what I was looking for. You are lucky too because Eddie lives in your neck of the woods. My cerakote guy lives 10 miles from me and I like giving him the business, plus he's almost as good as Eddie... Good luck with your project..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Myore on here does cerakote as well and does a great job. He moved up to your neck of the woods recently. http://www.sawtoothrifles.com/
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From sawtooth's website "In an effort to keep up with our rifle building demands, we will not be accepting Cerakote refinishing work for an indefinite time.."
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From sawtooth's website "In an effort to keep up with our rifle building demands, we will not be accepting Cerakote refinishing work for an indefinite time.." That sucks...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Which color Cerakote exactly matches the matte black color of a Leupie scope, or a little darker black even like a Talley Lightweight ring?
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Graphite black is probably your best bet on that DD...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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From sawtooth's website "In an effort to keep up with our rifle building demands, we will not be accepting Cerakote refinishing work for an indefinite time.." Didn't even see that, my bad. He does do some fine work!!!
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Sounds cool. I wish I had better pics to show you of the midnight blue cerakote I just had done. The pics I have are not very good and don't represent my smiths work. He charges $150.00 for a complete barreled action. He also cerakoted a couple extra parts for me free of charge. I have his information if you want it. Here's his facebook, you can look at some pictures of the work he's done: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Smiths-Custom-Coatings/500147146675090Midnight blue he just did for me. He also did the bolt jeweling: NICE!!! I have a pre 64 30-06 that I was thinking about coating. Those picture just convinced me to get it done.
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I would like to get this done to my CZ 550. Really like the looks of that jeweled bolt with the extractor being coated, offsets the rig a bit. Is there a color that closely matches the target gray Ruger uses on their target model rifles? Still doing a bit of research on colors and looking at different color schemes.
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I would like to get this done to my CZ 550. Really like the looks of that jeweled bolt with the extractor being coated, offsets the rig a bit. Is there a color that closely matches the target gray Ruger uses on their target model rifles? Still doing a bit of research on colors and looking at different color schemes. Good question. I just answered your PM a bit ago. I also really like the looks of the bolt jeweling and cerakote. Gives it a good contrast..I wish I could help with some better pictures, but my camera really doesn't do these colors/workmanship any justice. I can tell you that the sniper grey is darker than the ruger target grey used on the m77 mkII VT rifles. Tungsten grey might be an almost perfect match. I just took some pictures of my sniper grey rifle next to the ruger m77 mkII varmint rifle and the sniper grey is definitely a shade darker if that helps...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Ok maybe Sniper Grey is along the lines of what I am interested in, really like the darker greys. Have a PM to Smiths and will see if he can offer up some sample pics as well.
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Ok maybe Sniper Grey is along the lines of what I am interested in, really like the darker greys. Have a PM to Smiths and will see if he can offer up some sample pics as well. This is about the best I can do right now. In person the color difference doesn't look as extreme as in the pic:
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Karl Kampfeld also does some amazing work. He's pretty well known in the gun business. Excellent photos too!!.. What are his prices?
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Ok maybe Sniper Grey is along the lines of what I am interested in, really like the darker greys. Have a PM to Smiths and will see if he can offer up some sample pics as well. This is about the best I can do right now. In person the color difference doesn't look as extreme as in the pic: I gotcha. Waiting on pics of McMillan grey from you guy.
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