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OK pre-64 men, lets have a little fun. Its winter here in northern michigan so not good shooting weather. So lets pool our expertise and design the ideal hunting rifle for anything in North America built around a pre-64. We can start with the action of course, consider the pros and cons of the various cartridges and finally select a cartridge, then consider stock options, ideal dimensions, perfect optics, etc. We probably won't agree on much but it will be fun. There's no wrong idea, other than we stick with a pre-64 action to start.
I'll start us off by throwing out a couple ideas and then you guys take it from there. Since we don't have a cartridge yet, lets just say we'll take a early 50's vintage action, but swap the steel bottom metal for a featherweight to save weight and have the bolt knob checkered for a little fast bolt work.
OK, let the ideas start coming. Thanks for playing.
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50's FWT 30-06 VX3 2x8 or 3x9
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50's FWT 30-06 VX3 2x8 or 3x9 I might go for a slightly different stock (probably a brown or bansner) but hard to fault the other components! That or a 270/280 and take the big bears out of the equation. In a perfect world I'd have the bolt handle tweaked so I could mount the scope as low as possible, but that is just me!
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Very hard to improve on the original....
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Very hard to improve on the original.... Well it could have been stainless
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Vote with KeystoneBen because I have one just like his except in 270.But I have other 270's and 30/06's too. I have been dropping pre 64 M70's into aftermarket synthetic stocks since about 1979-1980 and hunting with them in calibers from 270 to 375H&h and many in between. Some of these have had custom barrels and some factory. From the standpoint of reliability,these rifles made it hard to justify a custom rifle. But some how I managed that, too. BSA has a picture of my retro custom 7 Rem Mag in wood stock that would qualify if a guy wants to do it with wood/blue.I've had similar rifles in 270 and 280. Sometimes I think excruciating over cartridges will drive you nuts. I've never come back from a hunt and complained I didn't get what I was after because I had the wrong cartridge.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Here would be my entry. Pre-War Model 70 .375 ACK Mag. Burgess/Hoenig.
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Here would be my entry. Pre-War Model 70 .375 ACK Mag. Burgess/Hoenig. That's really very unfair..... Two geniuses like them,together in the same rifle,makes lots of other stuff pale in comparison. My head hurts thinking about it.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Really unfair..Yes. Absolutely beautiful-yes also.
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Well, let's consider these questions: so this rifle will be used for north america from whitetails in the brush, elk, sheep in the mountains, to moose and the big bears. So what caliber and weight do we want to end up with? I'm thinking a 8 1/2# .300 Win. Mag. might do well with a barrel contour similar to the standard weight barrel (.600" at the muzzle). Any other votes for the .300 as caliber of choice?
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Hypothetically, what could one accomplish with a .300 Win that one could not with a .30-06.
Say a featherweight in a McMillan Edge?
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Here would be my entry. Pre-War Model 70 .375 ACK Mag. Burgess/Hoenig. What a junker. When are you going to get a nice rifle???
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OK pre-64 men, lets have a little fun. Its winter here in northern michigan so not good shooting weather. So lets pool our expertise and design the ideal hunting rifle for anything in North America built around a pre-64. We can start with the action of course, consider the pros and cons of the various cartridges and finally select a cartridge, then consider stock options, ideal dimensions, perfect optics, etc. We probably won't agree on much but it will be fun. There's no wrong idea, other than we stick with a pre-64 action to start.
I'll start us off by throwing out a couple ideas and then you guys take it from there. Since we don't have a cartridge yet, lets just say we'll take a early 50's vintage action, but swap the steel bottom metal for a featherweight to save weight and have the bolt knob checkered for a little fast bolt work.
OK, let the ideas start coming. Thanks for playing.
Ruffed Grouse
BTDT. Way ahead of you buddy..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Well, let's consider these questions: so this rifle will be used for north america from whitetails in the brush, elk, sheep in the mountains, to moose and the big bears. So what caliber and weight do we want to end up with? I'm thinking a 8 1/2# .300 Win. Mag. might do well with a barrel contour similar to the standard weight barrel (.600" at the muzzle). Any other votes for the .300 as caliber of choice? I'm getting nauseas just thinking about a 300. Unless you were talking about the 300 savage
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Hypothetically, what could one accomplish with a .300 Win that one could not with a .30-06.
Say a featherweight in a McMillan Edge? Exactamundo. Make mine a hunters compact with standard fill though. Hold the edge. No need: the standard fill hunters compact balances out perfectly with the 22" barreled fwt.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I have mine. 1949 .270 in a stock I inletted, finished, and checkered myself. Leupold QR mount for quick Lyman 48 interchangeability, 4x scope ( happens to be an old Burris). There is zero wood exposed. The entire action, magazine well, and barrel channel is epoxied in. And the old girl shoots too: That is a 200 yard 3 shot group fired prone over my backpack on the Wyoming prairie with the wind behind me. Love that rifle.
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That sure is a nice rifle. You do great work!!
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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[quote=pre6422hornet]I have mine. 1949 .270 in a stock I inletted, finished, and checkered myself. Leupold QR mount for quick Lyman 48 interchangeability, 4x scope ( happens to be an old Burris). There is zero wood exposed. The entire action, magazine well, and barrel channel is epoxied in. Dude, that is one beautiful looking gun! I'm here working in southern Michigan in the snow looking at this and can't wait to get home tomorrow to send picks of my entry. Sorry guys but I'm of the Elmer Keith school and since no 333OKH, i'll gladly take my Alaskan in 338.
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beautiful rifle razz: did you stock it from the blank or get it semi-inletted? Its so beautiful it might be hard to take on a rough weather hunt. You did a great job. Congrats !! thanks for sharing !!
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