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One would think the slop would be very detrimental to accuracy but in practice it doesn't amount to a hhill of beans when it comes to hitting a target out to as far as you can manage with iron sights. Having owned a few rifles down through the ages with bolt sleeve and/or cocking piece sights I can attest to that. I once owned two Mannlicher-Schoenauers, at different times, that had Lyman cocking piece sights in addition to backup sights. One had a Redfield mount & scope the other had express sights on the barrel, and I couldn't tell a lick of difference in target hit-ability when jumping back and forth between them. The couple of 1920s I have messed with, with Lyman 54s, one current and one 20 years ago, display no ill effects either.

If someone wants to pay me the amount of value decrease I would experience by d/t'ing my 1920 and mounting a scope in order to make a comparison test, I'm your huckleberry!

My biggest gripe is the crazy cost of these cocking piece and bolt sleeve (tail block) sights for various pre-war heart throbs.

No matter how much slop can be felt, when the gun is cocked & ready to shoot the spring tension should take all that up and push every thing into the same position every time, the sear is always holding it from the same spot. I would think if it were possible to move the position of the cocking piece while it were cocked it would return almost exactly to it's original position as soon as the force moving it was released. I have some 22's with a lot of play in the cocking piece and if you move them they always look like they go right back to were they were.

...guess I'm gonna scrap that Lyman 54 on my 20/26..piece of junk bolt sight.

Ha ha. Let me know when you take the garbage out next week...

I'll take it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOOD GRAB!

Let me add, with all kindness in my heart, "grab this!"

How much will "THAT" cost me?

I wish you guys would dicker over a price offline.

Rod

Dicker - I don't even know her

Realizing that sometimes there's a difference between the theoretical and the pratical, I appreciate your comments on the performance of Lyman 54s and bolt sleeve sights.

I reckon I could do an experiment with my .300, since it came D&T for a sidemount scope, and with a bent bolt handle. I'd have to round up the mount & a suitable scope, and shoot groups. Then swap in the other bolt, with its Lyman 54, and repeat the accuracy tests.

It's up to you what you do, but for me, I would never in a lifetime switch bolts in ANY gun and shoot it.

Or just shoot one gun with the scope and then the other with the 54 as a comparison while using the same ammo in both. That would probably work good enough for the experiment and it doesn't require you to swap out anything.

I checked the headspace before doing so - which I should have mentioned. There was only .002" difference between the two bolts, which is not enough to worry about.

5250.00 Nice Price It Sold For

I was there but had to leave early. I was sitting next to the guy that bought the A2 special. That was a gorgeous rifle. I handled the 1920 that you mentioned. That was the slickest little rifle ever. That cocking piece peep sight was something to behold.

So what's the story on the fancy 1920? Is it a Factory or a privately made custom? And beyond some guy having over 5K to drop on it, what makes it so valuable?

Not factory, reworked in England for some member of the aristocracy, just cool. Like anything, it is worth what someone will pay for it.

And to think, I paid less than $500 for one of Larry Koller's 1920s.

The people I saw bidding on the custom Savages were doing nothing less than drooling. The market might be soft to some people, almost every gun I saw sold, sold for more than the auction estimate. I am heading back over in a couple minutes. The same fellow that bought the A2 bought the 1920. If you REALLY want something,you'll pay the price.