Lots of us have been shooting/acquiring rifles for many years. Just curious if you were to start all over today knowing what you do and with today's variety of rifles and chamberings, what would you buy?
I am continually astounded at how quickly people make up their minds on little evidence or none at all. Jack O'Connor
knowing what I know now I could have saved WHEEL BARROWS full of cash by purchasing a 450 marlin BLR for short to moderate range and a 340 or 375H&H caliber synthetic stocked stainless bolt action for general use on elk hunts and sticking to the two for all my hunting. once you have total confidence in the rifle you carry its makes little sense to keep trying new stuff the money and times better spent elseware but it took me decades to fully appreciate that fact
If I was starting one of my kids out today, I think I'd get a Remington 700, screw on a 22 inch Shilen or Kreiger, chamber it for '06, put it in a Micky stock, and top it with a 2.5X8 Leupold. I'm too fond of what I've got to be sensible for myself.
I also think that a 204 Ruger, the 7-08 and a .338 Win mag would cover about everything in North America.
donsm70
Life Member...Safari Club International Life Member...Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation Life Member...Keystone Country Elk Alliance Life Member...National Rifle Association
I think I'm doing it pretty well my first time around.
I've got a .45-70 for any hunting I do here in Maine.
I've got a .375 H&H for when I get to hunt Alaska.
I'm in the process of building a 7mm Mashburn for hunting the western states.
and that's all I currently own for rifles. I need a small bore to round out the collection and I'm done I think. Time to start putting money towards tags and hunts. Less things and more experiences.
-Matt
"The proof of the whisky is in the drinking, the proof of the rifle is in the shooting."
I started and stuck with 30cal rifles for most of my life. Looking back everything save Africa could have been done just as well if not better with a light bolt action in something like 270, 280 or 7-08. That would leave a lot more room in the safe.
I am continually astounded at how quickly people make up their minds on little evidence or none at all. Jack O'Connor
I wouldn't change a thing. Buying/selling/trading has been a lot of fun for me, getting to try new rifles/cartridges.
But if starting with no rifles right now, I'd buy:
A 7RM/7STW/etc custom for elk/deer A 30-06/300wm/etc custom for elk/deer A Cooper in 6ppc for shooting tiny groups at the range A nice AR for fun A 50 for fun A custom 10/22 and nice bolt 22lr A trio of precision rifles for LR work, 260, 7RM, 338RUM.
I really don't think I'd change a thing because I have never come back from a hunt with an unpunched tag because of what I was carrying.
And no matter what I had in my hand, it was no trick to kill anything if I shot straight.In short,anything within reason that I tried worked and gave me the distinct impression the animals did not stand a chance.
What I have learned is that field marksmanship,good bullets in the right place, and smart hunting are far more important than the chambering of a rifle.
I am in that camp, with a preference for a 270. If I could do it over again there are at least a couple rifles I should have just kept and dispensed with trying all the others.
I wouldn't change a thing. It's been a fun ride so far. Experimenting with different rifles, rounds, scopes etc. has provided a life time of interest and fun for me. I think it's called being a hard core rifle loony. I may need counseling, naw just another glass of cab.
I wouldn't change a thing. Buying/selling/trading has been a lot of fun for me, getting to try new rifles/cartridges.
But if starting with no rifles right now, I'd buy:
A 7RM/7STW/etc custom for elk/deer A 30-06/300wm/etc custom for elk/deer A Cooper in 6ppc for shooting tiny groups at the range A nice AR for fun A 50 for fun A custom 10/22 and nice bolt 22lr A trio of precision rifles for LR work, 260, 7RM, 338RUM.
This, my friends, is why we proclaim ourselves rifle looneys
“Live free or die. Death is not the worst of evils.” - General John Stark.
The trouble is today's knowledge would only be effective if I could go back in time. I would go back to the 60's and buy boatloads of those beautiful Damascus shotguns that folks dumped because they were not amendable to smokeless.
Starting today, I'd buy everything with a wood stock. All of those will be tomorrows classics when all of the racks carry nothing but plastic.
I'd start out with a stainless .308win. purely for practicalities sake until I could fill in the rest of the gaps.
That's about where I'd begin too. Maybe not stainless and must be stocked in "nice" wood. My first "real" rifle was $88 new, the second $200 new, .308 & .270 respectively. If $ was no object I'd probably take a hard look at a Dakota but when I came to my senses I'd go with a Kimber. It might take me days to decide 308/30-06..... but I do like a .308. Considering inflation I think a good solid rifle is actually cheaper now than back in the day.
Why does a man who is 50 pounds overweight complain about a 10 pound rifle being too heavy? SCI Life Member 4**
6X45 or 47 just because the .223 isn't legal in Colorado for big game and possibly some other states I might hunt. With 55-70 grain bullets it plays hell on varmints as well. 80-100 grain for deer and pronghorn.
.270 Win for everything else and just because I like it.
.375 Ruger or H&H for if I ever want to hunt DG in Africa.
I could make do with a 223, a 308, Tikkas would do fine. A 12ga Rem 870. A 22 pistol, either Ruger MKII or S&W 17. A 22 Rifle, a Ruger 10-22. And a Glock 19.
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson
K-80 tube set with 30's K-80 32 inch sporting 1100 sporting 1100 skeet 1100 Trap 11-87 field, 26 inch tube 870, about 3 Citroi 16 gauge, Gran of course 11-87 20 bore 1100 20 bore
That "might" cover it, Im sure I forgot some stuff..
It�s a magazine not a clip......
Advice is seldom welcome, and those who need it the most, like it the least.� - Lord Chesterfield. 1750
No need to start over, was shooting a 270 forty-five years ago....
Yep. Thirty years ago for me.
I have a bunch of rifles, but I could make due with just a 270.
If I had a 3 rifle battery to cover the world it would be: 223, 270 and 375H&H.
Nut
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Lots of us have been shooting/acquiring rifles for many years. Just curious if you were to start all over today knowing what you do and with today's variety of rifles and chamberings, what would you buy?
A .22 bolt action, a .22 auto, a .270 bolt action, a .223 auto and a 12 gauge pump.
That's the practical answer.
The real answer is I want it all.
The Tea Party Movement is pretty much the same as a bowel movement except that it smells worse and has far less in the way of intelligent content. --DancesWithGuns
I did start over and I probably have more overlap than the first time around. I don't know if that just means I know what I like or if that means I'm dumber or if it means I have less mental justification to worry about this time around.
"For some unfortunates, poisoned by city sidewalks ... the horn of the hunter never winds at all" Robert Ruark, The Horn of the Hunter
I'd probably simplify things and spend more time on hunting trips and shooting games (trap/skeet, defensive pistol, etc.). Of what I currently have: I'd keep the 22 K-Hornet for the small stuff, 6.5x55 for medium critters, 9.3x62 for bigger, and a 12 guage would cover long gun needs. I'd probably have to keep a handgun or two - a 1911 45acp and single action 45 Colt or 44 Spl. Then I'd have to keep something in blackpowder - don't think I could part with the Shiloh Sharps. Of the military styles, I'd pass on the M1A and keep the M1 Garand and Colt AR carbine.
That would get it from over 50 to under 10 and I doubt I'd miss any of the others.
If I were to start over again I'd start by avoiding the .30-06. My luckiest chambering but I'm not convinced I ever needed one. I certainly could have lived without the pounding on the bench.
I'm 77 and have some twenty ot more rifles. Knowing what I know now, if I started over I would have the following:
A bolt action accurate ..22 LR, Two center fire bolt rifles in .243 and .308 ( I have no local PD, ground squirrels and etc.). Going to Africa or AK, I would buy a used heavy and sell it post hunt.
I will take this farther. Three handguns, .22; .38;
& either a .44 or .45.
And lastly a 12 and 20 shotgun of your choice. Mine would be an O/U 20 and an 870
Jack
"Do not blame Caesar, blame the people...who have...rejoiced in their loss of freedom....Blame the people who hail him when he speaks of the 'new, wonderful, good, society'...to mean ,..living fatly at the expense of the industrious." Cicero
I think Steelhead's answer is very sensible. I would likely do something very similar, but would probably skip the AI version.
Quality .22LR bolt rifle. Light .223 bolt gun Heavy .223 bolt gun Light .308 bolt gun Heavy .308 bolt gun Midweight AR in .223
8" twist on the .223s and 10" or 11" twist on the .308s, both throated properly.
Not much I couldn't do with the above and logistics would be as good as it gets.
John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
If I were to start over today it would be much different, because you have the choice of more than two types of bullets...those that blow up and those that don't expand at all. I can do things with a 45 grn monolithic bullet today, that it required a 165 grain soft point to do 45 years ago.
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.
Matching set of stainless Win 70's in 260rem, 358win, some variety of 375/416, Mickey stocks, Leupold 2.5-8's. Of course some sort of 22, also. And a few shotguns. And of course a few handguns. And....back to square one....
If we're talking just big game then basically what I have ended up with as my Go-To hunting rifles.
Remington Model 7KS Custom Shop .350 Remington Magnum. Will do anything from small game with pistol bullets to the biggest bears with 250s. Weighs 7# ready to gun and is a joy to carry.... Has a Leupold 1.75-6 on it right now but just found a 2.5-8 with a B&C reticle that will probably go on it...
Second gun would be for longer ranges. Debated a long time over a .264 Winchester Magnum vs. a .257 Weatherby Magnum and the Weatherby won out. Always wanted one but didn't like the Weatherby stock design but when the Remington 700 CDL stainless fluted came out I bought one. Shoots .3 moa with 120 Speer BTs at 3200 fps. 6.5-18 Shepherd scope is on top and matches the ballistic drop reticle out to 600 yards. With light bullets would be a great long range varminter, heavies will do elk in a pinch.
Last gun would be a backup and general purpose rifle in .308. Kimber Montana, Remington Model SEVEN, most any light weight stainless/synthetic stocked rifle. Right now the bill is filled by a Remingtom Model SEVEN stainless/synthetic. It has a 20" barrel and is .5 moa accurate. If I kept it the only change would to put it in the same stock that the 7KS is in. One of the discontinued Remington AWR with a 22" blackened stainless barrel in .308 would be perfect...
Left shot was a called pull so I fired one more...
Bob
If you can not deal with reality, reality will deal with you....
Were I starting over today I would follow the same path again. A wonderfully eclectic variety of rifles have passed through my hands in my life. If I had to pick just one out of all of them to fill my hunting/experimenting urges I wouldn't cry if it were a classic .30-06 sporter built on an '03 Springfield.
"You can lead a man to logic, but you cannot make him think." Joe Harz "Always certain, often right." Keith McCafferty
If I were starting over today I'd buy the following:
Pre-64 Model 70 Featherweight, 270 WCF, in a McMillan Compact pattern standard fill stock. Add 1000 Winchester cases, 5000 Winchester LR primers, a set of Redding dies, 40lbs of Ramshot Magnum powder and 5000 130r Nosler Partitions and I'd never have to go shopping again
If I were starting over today I'd buy the following:
Pre-64 Model 70 Featherweight, 270 WCF, in a McMillan Compact pattern standard fill stock. Add 1000 Winchester cases, 5000 Winchester LR primers, a set of Redding dies, 40lbs of Ramshot Magnum powder and 5000 130r Nosler Partitions and I'd never have to go shopping again
Dang, I like your thinkin....
Why does a man who is 50 pounds overweight complain about a 10 pound rifle being too heavy? SCI Life Member 4**
If I were starting over today I'd buy the following:
Pre-64 Model 70 Featherweight, 270 WCF, in a McMillan Compact pattern standard fill stock. Add 1000 Winchester cases, 5000 Winchester LR primers, a set of Redding dies, 40lbs of Ramshot Magnum powder and 5000 130r Nosler Partitions and I'd never have to go shopping again
Dang, I like your thinkin....
It's not for sale guys....
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Gee BSA, if we all did that all of the rifles companies would be out of business.
yeah! Ive bought tested and in some cases traded off or sold rifles , my late hunting partner bought a BLR in 358 win, settled on a load that shot well with a speer 250 grain, over 45 grains of imr 4064 and never changed a darn thing in 30 plus years. he used to laugh at me, said I was partly insane, as changing rifles and testing loads , was a waste of money and time. he often said ,his BLR in 358 win killed every elk he ever shot at, there was obviously no way to improve that track record.
1-8" twist 22-250 Ackley. Second would be 280 Ackley built on a Remington action #2 contour barrel cut at 23" all stainless sitting in a McMillan edge mountain rifle stock topped with a leupold 6x42 with M1 turret
“Go afield with a good attitude, with respect for the forest and fields in which you walk. Immerse yourself in the outdoor experience. It will cleanse your soul and make you a better person” -Fred Bear
I don't think things would be too different for me. I've always been what I think John Barsness calls a "churner," someone who is always trying something different in rifles, cartridges, etc, though I think I'm finally over it.
The M700 based 30/06 I'm currently having built,and another very similar to it in 338 Win Mag.
Throw in varmints/predators,and we have to add the 22/250.
"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."
I don't think things would be too different for me. I've always been what I think John Barsness calls a "churner," someone who is always trying something different in rifles, cartridges, etc, though I think I'm finally over it.
Or at least I'm in remission.
I'd start with the 243, 30/06, and the 375. The question would be, how long before I started itching to try something else.
I would have bought the Sako AV lux in 30-06 that was on sale when I was a kid and wanted to buy my first rifle. Even for back then it was cheap. Rifles got really expensive around here as the rand depreciated against the dollar over the years.
I have a 240 Wby had a 257 Wby and have a 25-06 TK3 and a 30-06 Styre and they are all sweet kinda whish i still had the 257. Oh well hind sight:-)
Marine Corps, Mason, NRA Life Member & Cherokee May you always know the Great Spirit is with you. Years ago I swore an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign & DOMESTIC and no one has relieved me of that oath!
if i could start over i would start hunting big game out west at a younger age before my lungs and legs gave out, i should have found the money somewere.
Marine Corps, Mason, NRA Life Member & Cherokee May you always know the Great Spirit is with you. Years ago I swore an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign & DOMESTIC and no one has relieved me of that oath!
if i could start over i would start hunting big game out west at a younger age before my lungs and legs gave out, i should have found the money somewere.
Yeah that's the trouble, you can't get it back. I should have sold off something and gone to Africa in the 70's but I thought I was too broke. Now I'm just broken down!
I am continually astounded at how quickly people make up their minds on little evidence or none at all. Jack O'Connor
222 Rem - would probably get a Savage 223 and have it set back and rechambered 260 Remington - Tikka or maybe Sako 270 Win - Rem 700 put into a Mcmillan Edge 307 Win - Winchester M 94 308 Norma Mag - probably a Rem 700 300 Win set back and rechambered 35 Whelen - Rem 700, would consider a Ruger
I have to say I do not have all that many regrets. However, given hindsight, there may be a few blind alleys I could have missed.
For instance, my first deer rifle was a Remington 742. My buddy put a 742 and a 760 in front of me and asked me to pick. I picked the 742. It's been out of action since 2004 with a bad case of the chatters. Mind you, I had gobs of fun with it, but I see where I went wrong.
Back in those days, I lusted for a Remington 700 BDL. I wasn't thinking about a Win Mod 70. As it turned out a used 670 fell into my hands a bit later, and I never did get around to buying the 700. I repent any thoughts I had of a Remington bolt gun.
I would have bought my Savage 99 much sooner, back when they were not collector's items. I'd still buy a 308 WIN, but I bet if I'd gotten a 358 WIN, I'd have never gotten into 35 Whelen. Frankly, I wish I had a whole rack of them.
I would have bought a bolt-action 223 REM much sooner. I cannot say I regretted buying my Mini-14 twenty years ago, but it kept me from buying a bolt gun. It's funny. A buddy of mine from Texas asked me about my Mini-14, and I said I liked it. It was a heck of a lot more accurate than common opinion of the time would dictate. My one qualm was that I should have bought the ranch version, because mounting a scope on mine was problematic. 5 years later, he died and a near-new stainless scoped Ranch Rifle arrived at my door. It had been the last rifle he bought, and he made sure I got it.
Which reminds me: I would started buying stainless rifles a lot sooner. My Ruger Hawkeye last year convinced me of that.
I should have bought my 25-06 sooner. I love my custom Mauser.
I do not regret buying my Marlin 336 in 30-30, but I think I should have kept it as the designated yute rifle for my sons. On the other hand, I fully repent not buying a Marlin in 357 Mag sooner. I love that little thing.
I should have bought a hundred Albanian SKS when I had a chance back in 2006. They've appreciated from $70 to $400.
A M1 Carbine would be nice right about now. I could not figure why I'd need one back in the early 80's. I can't say what I'd be doing with it, but that has never stopped me.
My father-in-law gave me a 30.cal carbine and a M1 grand a few yrs back about 4 yrs ago i traded off the grand for my TK3 with $250 boot still have the carbine shoots great. they use it every year in the Memorial day parade and the Veterans day parade each year so it getting a little use. the one's i love the most are the WBY.240 ultra lite and the TK3 everything i have ever shot with ether one has always dropped never traveling more than 30yds
Marine Corps, Mason, NRA Life Member & Cherokee May you always know the Great Spirit is with you. Years ago I swore an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign & DOMESTIC and no one has relieved me of that oath!
i traded off the Grand because it was falling apart, trigger housing kept falling out main spring had to be replaced came out in 7 pieces it had been real hot and a tight group was 8 in. at 100 yds
Marine Corps, Mason, NRA Life Member & Cherokee May you always know the Great Spirit is with you. Years ago I swore an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign & DOMESTIC and no one has relieved me of that oath!
I hunt ruffed/spruce grouse, snowshoe hair and whitetails in Northern MN and Northern WI. I also hunt squirrels/rabbits around home, so I would probably follow Larry Koller's advice and buy a matched pair. Either a Winchester 9422 or Henry classic lever 22lr and a Winchester 94ae carbine in 30-30. or a Marlin 39 and a Marlin 336 30-30. That way I could hunt with open, peep or scoped depending on age/eyesight and be time and money ahead.
(Micah 6:8) "Words are what men live by... words they say and mean." -John Wayne, The Comancheros "Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." -Ronald Reagan
I would start with the two pre'64 M/70's that I currently own, a prewar .257 Roberts and an early 50's Standard that I rebored to .35 Whelen which I have upgraded to a Super Grade using all the correct vintage parts. For a smallbore I have a custom Springfield 1922 M2 sporter.
I would grab a 700 classic in whelen, and have randy melvin in billings build for me a 30-338 on a defiance/bartlein/mcmillan... For starters that is...
A matching pair of Coopers in .22 and maybe 6.5 CR or 7/08 and a vintage or new production Ithaca pump or Browning Light 12. I also might spring for a Smith 41 to replace my .22 handguns.
Over my years I have owned, shot and hunted with literally hundreds of different rifles, shotguns and handguns. In that time I have pretty well figured out what works for me so that if I were to start from scratch I would likely end up with the same guns and chamberings I use today.
I might choose better wood, but most of my guns are nice enough for me now without being so nice I hate to use them. And I know I'm going to use them hard no matter how nice or expensive they might be.
Even though I might "know" where I was going to end up.....I'd probably not do things too differently. I have loved using many, many different guns and chamberings and learned from each and every one.
When I tell you that I prefer a certain gun or chambering, it's NOT because I've never tried anything else. It's because I HAVE tried and used almost every combination you can think of.....and decided what works best for me based on experience, not advertising and second hand advise. Without going through the years of gun trading and use, I'd not have that knowledge. What I learned is that damn near anything will work if the shooter is good enough, but some just work better.....for me.
If anything I'd likely own MORE, not less firearms than I do.....and that's saying a lot since I now have some 200 firearms in the gun room. I'd trade less and keep more if I had it all to do over.
With that said, I'd likely start with the guns I use most today. First would have to be a good .22 rifle. I've used a lot of really nice rimfire rifles, but keep coming back to the Ruger 10/22 with the checkered stock. It's not the most expensive or best looking .22 I own, but it just works.
For centerfire rifles I'd go with the rifle that started it all. My first true big game rifle was a custom FN Mauser in .30-06....and I've never found any I like as well and still shoot it the most of all my guns. A second Mauser...in .338 Magnum....would handle heavier game for me.
I've owned some 40+ Savage 99's over the years and still love that rifle. I would have to have 99's (probably in the EG configuration) in .250-3000, .308 and .358.
I know, the .30-06 (or the trio of Savage 99's) would cover every need I might have in a lifetime, but I don't believe in going with the minimum on anything. I LIKE rifles and prefer to have a gun for every use.
One rifle that would HAVE to be replaced is my Ruger 44 Carbine. One of my earliest rifles, it has always been a favorite. There are many more versatile rifles out there, but I can think of nothing I'd rather have in my hands if fast, close-up shooting is required and a heavy punch is needed. That little carbine feels like a part of my body and I love it.....and likely why I like it's twin, the Ruger 10/22, is also a favorite.
In shotguns, I am a die-hard fan of classic double guns. My main shotguns would be a pair of L.C.Smith doubles in 20 ga. and 12 ga. These would cover almost every shotgun need I'd ever have. However, for hard-core waterfowling, the doubles are just a little too delicate and since the introduction of steel shot not as versatile as a heavy 3" magnum. For this use the Remington 870 is near perfect.
My handguns would start with the most used....a Ruger 5 1/2" barreled Target Model. One of my first handguns, I have tried many others and keep coming back to where I started.
For hunting, my Ruger .44 Flattop would be my choice. The Super Blackhawk is a bit stronger and also a good choice, but just doesn't fit my hand as well as the old Flattop does.
For everyday carry around the house and woods a 4 5/8" SAA in .45 Colt rides my hip like it grew there. Been carrying one so long I feel naked without it. I would probably add a second SAA in .32-20.....just because I like the chambering and it is a bit better for shooting edible small game.
Of course I could never be without a good 1911 in .45ACP for general self/home defense and carry. It also makes a passable hunting weapon as well.....if used carefully.
I know, that's a lot of guns, but I LIKE lots of guns and that battery would make a nice start if I had to start over. Then I could add a couple of hundred more over the years.....again.
I hate change, it's never for the better.... Grumpy Old Men The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know
Lots of us have been shooting/acquiring rifles for many years. Just curious if you were to start all over today knowing what you do and with today's variety of rifles and chamberings, what would you buy?
Tikka T3 270 Tikka T3 223 Superlite
Both rifles would be topped with FX3 6X42 leupold with M1 turret
I currently own these 2 rifles unfortunately they are not topped with the FX3 however instead are topped with Zeiss Terra 3 RZ6 scopes. I am pleased enouph with the Zeiss RZ6 that I cannot warrant changing.
GUNS I DONT HAVE
I would aquire and hunt a Model 70 featherweight in 7X57 Mouser and I'd top it with a Leupold 6X36 FX2 with dots.
Winchester Lever Action 22 lr
Would build One Custom
Remington Action Trued and Lugs lapped 260 8 twist finished at 21" McMillan Stock Leupold 3.5-10X40 M1 turret
Winchester 20 gaige
Other than these I'd buy, sale, trade and occasionally probably add a firearm or 2.
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