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Nope, but you might get waffles.

So, he's a redistributionist and now he has a bully pulpit. Whodathunk?

Are'nt you ingnoring the context of the passage? The context begins in vs. 13.

It starts with a question: "Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?" An answer is given.

A second, more pointed question is asked: But whom say ye (the deciples) say that I am?"

It is then in vs. 16 that Jesus acknowledges that Simon Peter gave the correct answer to the question.

The correct answer was: "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

In vs. 17, Christ explains how Simon Peter got the correct answer: "...flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which in in heaven."

Taken in context, "...and upon this rock I will buid my church" must refer to:
1. The confession that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
2. The fact that this knowledge is by revelation.

The Church is built on Christ alone, and it is on those two principles upon which is rests. vs. 17"...I will build my church;"

Was it written in Greek originally? Or Aramaic?

It makes no difference. The context is clear. You can contrast part of the two principles with John 6:64-66.

The language makes no difference? The whole point of that post was that the specific language absolutely made all the difference

I appreciate your point. However, the light of context shines more than enough light on the subject to extrapalate the meaning.

I understand context. And it is very important. But specific words can make a huge difference, and without knowing them for sure, the context we're given can be misleading.

For the record, I'm not arguing one way or the other. I have no clue if Aramaic is the original language of that part of the bible. It really was a question. Nor would I know how to translate either Aramaic or Greek correctly

this has gotten a wee bit off the track. Of course that has never happened with a tread at the 'fire.

this is the sort of crap I am talking about. Using the church to push a communist/anti Western social agenda.
http://www.gainesville.com/article/...o-promote-pope-s-climate-change-message-


I don't care anything about what the Pope says about St Peter, or anything about Catholic doctrin. I am not Catholic, I am a Baptist.

Quite the opposite actually. Socialism is the most impoverishing, least compassionate political ideology in existence---next to its close cousin Communism.

Another obama voter for sure . . .

Everybody seems to overlook the most important part of this paragraph. The word give, not be taken by the church or the government, but given freely by the owner. miles

Jesus is Lord, The rest of us, me included are a bunch of podumps. As far as I'm concerned though the pope is a man leading the blind. Everybody should have their own relationship with God and not through some dude in a stupid hat that is no better than the rest of us. People have made him an idol, sickening... I don't put stock in anyone I don't know personally and only about 5% of the pastors I know personally.

Baptists, methodists, penticostals every denomination is off a little, all of them hold on to a big bag of $hit and call it doctrine. Argueing of stupid stuff like foot washing. Jesus said to do as I do, but he ment be a servant, if you want to do it in church as a way to show humility fine, if not don't, but no reason to have 50 branches of baptists. No wonder people don't want a thing to do with it. All of it has become about doctrine, rules and regs. I can't stand church and many christians. People and religion are flawed, God is not.

Oh yeah he tried to lay a massive con job on Jesus. He asked "Good Teacher, what must I do to be saved"?

Jesus answers, 'DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, DO NOT MURDER, DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER.'" 21And he said, "All these things I have kept from my youth."…

Therein lies the con. Much of Jesus teachings revolved around the "you still lack one thing" principle. Jesus taught that to even look at a woman with lust was to commit adultery and to get angry with someone was to commit murder. No one has ever kept the law....there is "none righteous, no not one. "Therefore this clown was lying to Jesus to make himself look good, get a pat on the head, whatever. So Jesus said in a sense, "fantastic, since you are so great, sell all your stuff and follow me". Jesus smacked him right in his weak area as he tended to do because he knew that his possessions owned him.

This was in no way a universal command for all time for all people but an interaction with one man. What about the expensive oil that Mary used to anoint Jesus with before his death? Judas, also a con man, said they could have sold the oil and "given the money to the poor", and Jesus rebuked him...."the poor you will always have with you". Perhaps Judas was the first Commie.

The story of the Rich young man or ruler and his interaction with Jesus has been cherry picked by Commies and Atheists to bash Christians forever. They don't know what the hell they are talking about and neither do you.

Yeah, like my SIL who told me that *her* God is a god of love who loves her and doesn't care what vows she breaks or how she treats her family.



He is only an idol if you expect him to be perfect. Catholics only expect him to be "good enough" to carry out the mission of the Holy Spirit. That is, to keep the Church going and keep the infallible teachings of Christ. That is something the Church has done quite well for 2,000 years, even in spite of several anti-popes along the way.

I agree, this man sure ain't no Benedict. He talks before he thinks, but luckily he is too small to confound the mission of the Holy Spirit.

He's a socialist with communist leanings. Those aren't Church teachings, but rather cultural constructs. He is a man of his times, unfortunately.

Truth is, it is YOU who doesn't know what he's talking about.

What you demonstrate is that people tend to twist "Holy Books" in a cynical attempt to validate their own politics.

Truth is, to attempt to use the supposed sayings of Jesus to justify hateful Fascist political goals and oppression of the poor is ludicrous because the heart of Jesus's teachings are clear and totally lacking in hate and greed.

There is no need to "cherry pick" anything. The words of Jesus are filled with compassion for the poor....NOT the harsh and hateful neglect of the poor espoused by the right-wing Christians of today.



So you rich Republicans and Fascists enjoy your fat life here on earth......you better, because according to your own book--hell awaits you.

And the Pope?

He's exactly correct.

(And heaven awaits him.)

Yowsah!!!!!!

I'll take my chances Pagan, as I reckon you will.