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All:

I have a chance to buy a 1950 M70 Super Grade in 270 for $900. It currently has a Echo side mount drilled into the receiver. On the mount is an old Alaskan scope. The scope is long and skinny with extremely small reticles. There is a small black dot in the middle of the X reticle. There is an aftermarket recoil pad on it. Haskins is what is on it. Any opinions? Rest of rifle is 90+%. Bore is super. Thank you ahead of time.

GET IT!!!!

VA,

Your motivation is clear, but could you please be more detailed on your reasoning. I have read your posts before and know that you have knowledge with firearms. It will be used for hunting. I like the caliber and never owned a pre-64 but would like to. Was 270 rare for a 1950 model?

Thanks.
Jeff

Pre 64 M70's that are NOT Super Grade are going for $900 around here -no kidding. Enough said.

Saw a supergrade in 375 at show near Ottawa Canada in March this year in pristine condition the fellow wanted $3500 cdn dollars

Just a couple of questions:

1. Was part of the stock around the side mount removed?
2. Was the stock shortened to add the recoil pad? A 270 Supergrade would have had a steel buttplate originally.

If the answer to either above question is yes you basically have a shooter only with limited collector value because the receiver has already been modified from original. This is not a bad thing by any means, but now you must decide if it is worth the price being asked to you as a hunting rifle. The scope and mount are a nice addition but are they something you will actually hunt with?

For my money, coupled with the asking price, I think I myself would probably look for one that doesn't have any extra holes drilled in it. This shouldn't be real hard if a 270 is what you are looking for as they are one of the most popular calibers in the pre-64 model 70. It isn't real hard to replace a stock with one that is original or looks original if the stock is less than what you want on any given model 70. This is easier than filling holes on the receiver.

But, you are certainly heading in the right direction. Everyone should own at least one pre-64 model 70 in 270 Winchester. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

RAS;

Reasoning? The action alone will fetch you better than $500, if you tore it down.

As for any additional reasoning, see the other posts.

If it's still there when you get back to the shop/seller THIS MORNING, you need to buy it. In fact, you probably should have already...

Update on original post:

The stock was not shortened. The rear sight is missing but I presume replacable (?). I can have the rifle minus the base and scope for $800. He told me that rifle was factory D&T'd because it was made in 1951 (after war). The rifle is about 80%. This guy is honest with my experiences with him before. And yes, it is a Supergrade M70. Pass or no pass?

Thank you for reading...
Jeff

If you pass, that VERY large sore spot on your behind will be from your own foot kicking you REPEATEDLY.

Pass? No f'kin' way.

Yeah, it was probably factory D&T, and $800 for a pre-64 .270 STANDARD is a good price, though high for one in 80%. For a SuperGrade, it's an absolute steal.

If the mount has all its screws along the left side of the action those will not all be factory holes. If it has two holes in the top of the front receiver ring and two holes in the side of the rear receiver ring (where a receiver sight normally mounts) those are factory holes in all probability. If the holes are in the top of both the rear and front receiver rings they may be factory holes as it was about that time Winchester started making provision for top mounts. It is unlikely Winchester supplied a Super Grade with an Echo mount attached from the factory IMO. Early (pre-war)model 70's had no holes in the top of either receiver ring, only receiver sight holes on the side. I am not positive when they started drilling and tapping the top of the front receiver ring.

The side holes are irrelevant, unless they are butchered.
Griffin & Howe, Paul Jaeger and others drilled and tapped the left sides of a boatload of Model 70s for their QD scope mounts.

Simple math:

Show me where you can pick up a pre-64 standard length action, even with a couple of properly done holes in the side, and JUST a SuperGrade, uncut stock for $800?

just for more fuel, ebay has one out with 4 bids at $900!!! yes, $900 for a pre 64 supergrade stock only...

woofer

FWIW,a buddy of mine showed me the pre-64 supergrade in a 270 that he recently bought. It had a Stith 6 power scope on it. It was in at least 95% condition. He paid $1850 and was happy with his purchase.

Best to ya .. BP...

Like VA said, GET IT. That price is very low for a SG... WASTE NO TIME!..

All:

I am going to go see this gentlemen again to take another good look at the rifle. Obviously, there is somewhat of an interest out there for these rifles. To be honest, it is going to be used for hunting whitetails in Michigan. If the scope performs better on the outside then on the inside where I looked at it, I might decide to keep it on there if I get it. I have quite a few older rifles, and my passion is in them. I would rather have an older rifle then a new Kimber. But that is me. For whatever reason, I have not owned a pre-64. I do however own a m70 FWT in 7x57 (1982?) that has never been fired. Got it as a gift last year but have not taken it out of the box yet except to look at it. Not quite old enough yet. I will probably get a picture of this 270 and then post a picture here to show you what I am talking about.

Thanks for the help.
Jeff

its a travisty they put those rediculous side mounts on those actions, I about puke when I see all those big extra holes in the side of the action, on an old mauser or m70

Update:

Here is the scoop. $900 with scope and mount. $800 without. The stock "has" been cut with a Haskins pad installed. And yes, there are three holes in the receiver from the Echo mount and Alaskan scope. The bluing is still there. Will I ever see a 1951 M70 in Supergrade for $900 again? I really dont know. Are there better deals?? Or is this really a done deal that I should take?? He is going to hold it for me. Thank you for all your help.

All the best to you.
Jeff

Jeff

It really boils down to whether or not you like the rifle enough to spend that amount of money on it as a hunting rifle. With the modifications to the receiver and stock already made, high dollar collecter value is gone. But, it would still make a great hunting rifle. A rear sight can be added but will usually run in excess of $50.00 for an original. If you plan on using a scope anyway that money could probably be used elsewhere to a wee bit better advantage.

Model 70s made in the early 50s were well made rifles, it's just a shame someone saw fit to put a side mount on it and drill those three holes. If I was buying it I would probably buy it with the scope on it as I think you might could get a bit more than $100 for the Alaskan and the side mount if you sold them individualy. This is assuming that you decide to put different glass on it.

One last question. If this is a genuine "Supergrade stock it should have detachable swivel bases, with two screws each, inletted in the stock. These bases use swivels about 1/2 inch wide, much wider than most swivels today. Are the swivels by chance on the stock? They are a very pricey item in today's world if you need a pair.

The stock should look somewhat like this one if it is indeed a "Supergrade" style stock.



This is a 270 I am in the process of giving a facelift. Since the picture the metal has been reblued as original and the stock is nearly finished being checkered as the originals were. When it is complete I will put up a picture of it.

BTW, if you decide to get that one you are looking at be sure and post pictures of it.

Ida,

Thank you for the informative email. I really appreciate it. The rifle looks very much like the one you have there with the exception of the cut stock/added recoil pad and three holes in the receiver. Yes, the colector value is very much diminished. I am just thinking that this is an opportunity to get a Pre-64 Supergrade (at 80%) in 270. Yes, I wish these mods were not there but I can easily assume that the price tag would not be $900. I believe if I get the rifle, I will get it with the scope and mount. I believe that if I sell it, it would be better to sell it with them on and I think I would get at least what I paid for it. However, I dont really plan on selling it at this point. However, even with reduced price, I am looking at the Kimber ballpark for price. Which I know will be a very good rifle. Hard decision!

All the best to you and thank you again.
Jeff