|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 35,900
Campfire 'Bwana
|
OP
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 35,900 |
Has anyone here bought, and shot one yet?Thoughts and impressions? Results?
I don't have a Roberts right now and am getting sorely tempted...
Last edited by BobinNH; 07/25/08.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,053
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,053 |
Bob.."Rifle Shooter" magazine has a article on the Kimber Model 84 in 257 in Sept/Oct issue.
I don't always venture out into the sub-freezing darkness, but when I do, it is deer hunting season, and I carry a Remington. Stay hungry my friends.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,053
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,053 |
I don't always venture out into the sub-freezing darkness, but when I do, it is deer hunting season, and I carry a Remington. Stay hungry my friends.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 35,900
Campfire 'Bwana
|
OP
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 35,900 |
oldguns: Yes, I was reading the article this morning.I don't have a Roberts right now because,after owning a slew of them in past years,I wanted my next one to be more or less "just right".I like the looks and features of the Kimber,but am just a touch leary of the QC,barrels,etc. and am wondering whether to leap ahead.
I am sort of tempted to do it with full knowledge that I may have to send it to a good smith for some "doctoring" if it doesn't behave.But the basics are there,so I'm looking for some input from folks who may own one and have shot it.
The article is kind of funny because Rupp talks about the 10"twist being a problem with heavier bullets,and says handloading is the answer; well IMHE handloading MAY be the answer, but the REAL solution is a faster twist if you want to use heavier bullets.I am a bit surprised that Kimber did not stick a faster twist barrel on the rifle.
Last edited by BobinNH; 07/25/08.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 407
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 407 |
Isnt Cooper chambering a .257 AI? Now there's a Rifle...!
I like it here. They let me swear.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 35,900
Campfire 'Bwana
|
OP
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 35,900 |
POPGUN:Yes, the Cooper is a fine rifle, but I don't want a single shot.And I don't want an Ackeley Improved,since I've used the standard Roberts to a bit over 400 yards on pronghorn and varmints and don't find it lacking in any regard.I have had more than one Roberts that hit 3200 with a 100 gr bullet.Good enough
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 14,807
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 14,807 |
I like the 84M quite a bit and we shoot three of them in 243, 7-08 and 308.
I was going to question the rifles magazine length of 2.81" but the Roberts lists a COL of less than 2.8" in one manual here. The case is 2.23" long however. To each his own.
To me the 243 shoots a better selection of varmint bullets and its not what I choose for deer anyway.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 13,357
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 13,357 |
BobNH I think he was referring to the Cooper Model 52 which is a repeater. Not that you want the AI but it is a repeater.
Eat Fish, Wear Grundens, Drink Alaskan.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 28,277
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 28,277 |
Bob-just add a 110 TSX or Accu to your fine lil 270 and call it a day.... It'll save you a bunch of coin, and perhaps challenges, as well the 270 basically pounds hell out of the Roberts...grin Dober
"True respect starts with the way you treat others, and it is earned over a lifetime of demonstrating kindness, honor and dignity"....Tony Dungy
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 13,957
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 13,957 |
BobNH I think he was referring to the Cooper Model 52 which is a repeater. Not that you want the AI but it is a repeater. Pretty sure they are only offering the 30-06 family of cartridges in the model 52 repeater. Shame, a 7x57 or 7-08 Cooper 52 would be nice.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 35,900
Campfire 'Bwana
|
OP
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 35,900 |
Dober: Yes; like I said last week,the new boolits narrows the need for little guns...I should follow my own advice:just shoot a 270
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 14,807
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 14,807 |
No to a 270 in this story. The rifle is important too and a Kimber 84M is a very neat small rifle and most 270's and in particular the Kimber version is much larger.
Also the .277" takes it out of the small bullet varmint class. Ricochets matter.
To add since I am not a .257" fan I looked up a pest bullet and found this: 25 Cal. V-MAX 75 gr. BC 0.290
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 18,334 Likes: 1
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 18,334 Likes: 1 |
everybody seems to favor slower twists and lighter bullets these days....I must have read that somewhere...I wonder where?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 14,807
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 14,807 |
Not from me? Expand on your point.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 28,277
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 28,277 |
No to a 270 in this story. The rifle is important too and a Kimber 84M is a very neat small rifle and most 270's and in particular the Kimber version is much larger.
Also the .277" takes it out of the small bullet varmint class. Richocets matter.
To add since I am not a .257" fan I looked up a pest bullet and found this: 25 Cal. V-MAX 75 gr. BC 0.290 I think that you misunderstood us, we weren't talking about Bob getting a new Kimber in a 270, we were talking about him using one of the 270's that he already has and then taking the moolah that he'd spend on another rifle and going hunting. Capiche? But yes, I agree I would in no way buy a new Kimber in a 270 or 06 or one of the magnum cals. Dober
"True respect starts with the way you treat others, and it is earned over a lifetime of demonstrating kindness, honor and dignity"....Tony Dungy
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 17,140 Likes: 2
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 17,140 Likes: 2 |
Pretty sure they are only offering the 30-06 family of cartridges in the model 52 repeater. Shame, a 7x57 or 7-08 Cooper 52 would be nice.
Yep, hope they expand but the list right now is 30-06 25-06 25-06AI 30-06 270 280 280AI 338-06 35 Whelen Even still, at 7 3/4 lbs it's not a Kimber at less than 6 (assuming the Bob will go one the 84M line) I own both a Cooper M22 and a Kimber 84M and love them both but the Cooper is a different level of rifle for a chunk more money. They've just never been light.
If something on the internet makes you angry the odds are you're being manipulated
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 407
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 407 |
POPGUN:Yes, the Cooper is a fine rifle, but I don't want a single shot.And I don't want an Ackeley Improved,since I've used the standard Roberts to a bit over 400 yards on pronghorn and varmints and don't find it lacking in any regard.I have had more than one Roberts that hit 3200 with a 100 gr bullet.Good enough I share your like for the Roberts Bob. I've got 4 as we speak and have owned others over the years. Currently a M-700 Mountain Rifle out of the early production. A Ruger 77 Round Top receiver and a later M-77 tang safety job which is my primary light carry rifle. Then there's an old M-722 with Lyman peep sight that belonged to my Grandfather. Dont know if I'll be able to walk past the next M-70 Featherweight I see although I've owned and parted with 3 of them over the years.
I like it here. They let me swear.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,342
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,342 |
Ive owned a half dozen 257 Roberts and loved em all,Deadly,accurate,easy to shoot and knock the socks off big game, I dont own a 270 win. and probably never will,I dont knock em they are a fine round but I abused myself a lot more than was needed when I was younger and Ill just choose the Roberts over the 270 however you cut it,so when someone tells you that the 270 pounds HELL out of the Roberts now you know why I choose the Roberts....
broken bones broken heart stripped down an torn apart a lil rust but Im still runnin countin miles countin tears twisted roads and shiftin gears year after year its all or nothin Im not home and Im not lost just holdin on 2 what I got...God and Guns
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 14,807
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 14,807 |
I don't think that I misunderstood you. I mentioned "most 270's" and that includes all that I have ever seen are larger rifles than the little Kimber.
Then you have a 110 grain bullet thats really big for ricochet safety. There seems to me to be quite a jump in rifle size and cartridge here. The .257 is still a small bore and could be a true varminter. Not the 270.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 13,401
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 13,401 |
I'm going to have a hard time keeping the Cabela's card in the pocket when I get my hands on a Classic Select Grade Bob.....
“There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot.” ALDO LEOPOLD
|
|
|
|
508 members (12344mag, 1minute, 1Longbow, 204guy, 1badf350, 10gaugemag, 64 invisible),
2,328
guests, and
1,187
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,193,023
Posts18,500,462
Members73,986
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|