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Everyone has their own likes and dislikes. I was just curious as to why some people dislike them so much. I see several guys here who dislike them greatly. Again to each his own. I know every rifle I have put a break on ends up shooting better with the break than without. A little more noise but overall an improvement to the function of the rifle.
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For me its the NOISE and the looks. 
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And I cant possibly see how a brake will make a gun shoot better..
Maybe the shooter but not the gun.
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Noise, no need for it. All my rifles get used for hunting and I'll not suffer a break. If I can't handle the recoil I'll step down in size.
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I found an old Sako L61R in 7mm back several years ago that had spent better than 30 years in the Rocky Mountains riding on the side of a horse. I purchased it for $375 and begain load development for it. It was one of the worst shooting rifles I had ever pulled the trigger on not to mention the hardest kicking. I put a Shrewed break with a 40 degree rake on the gun went back to the range with the same loads as befor and shot groups in the .3's and the recoil had gone to that of a 243. Movement of the gun has everything to do with accuracy. Benchrest shooters use heavy rifles for the same reason. If the gun sits in one place while you are driving it the groups are much different. But that's just me talking.
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It was one of the worst shooting rifles I had ever pulled the trigger on not to mention the hardest kicking. I put a Shrewed break with a 40 degree rake on the gun went back to the range with the same loads as befor and shot groups in the .3's and the recoil had gone to that of a 243. That right there says it all. No way possible for a gun to "become" more accurate just by putting a brake on.....no way. Unless they recrowned it while installing the brake...thats all.
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They are too freakin' loud and look God awful.
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I find the combination of extra noise and extra muzzle blast completely insufferable, and refuse to have a break on one of my own rifles. If you decide one of your friends is annoying you and you wish to part ways, simply shoot your breaked rifle next to them a few times. They won't want anything to do with you... 
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Same reason I don't like breaks on my vehicles. Broken stuff simply does not work as well as unbroken stuff.
Muzzle brakes, on the other hand, are too obnoxious for my liking...
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i'm a big fan of brakes(not breaks)sorry:).
i'm also not sure if they help a gun shoot better or if it helps the shooter shoot the gun better. i'm leaning toward the latter.
although i've heard people swear by the browning boss as far as tuning loads go, but i've never tried one so i can't say.
i will say that if you are wearing ear pro, then i'm not sure what difference a brake makes. you can get brakes that are designed not to have excessive muzzle blast. i shoot a lot, all year, not just a couple shots before hunting season, so the brake is a welcome addition to my bigger guns.
i would challenge any of you guys to come and shoot against me with a big .338. you shoot yours without a brake, and i'll shoot mine with one, and we'll see who is shooting better after say 5, 15, or 40 rounds.
there are some pretty big benefits for brakes on bigger guns if designed correctly to minimize muzzle blast. (they are loud though, no getting around that)
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Noise for me. And, I don't care for the looks.
Like others, if I cannot take the recoil, I'm shooting too much gun. That said, I know some have some rather debilitating shoulder injuries where a brake seemingly makes some sense.
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Why would I want to shoot 40 rounds of .338? I dont, braked or not. A .338 is not a gun you pick for an afternoon at the range.
At the range last summer, a guy had a braked .308, Yeah a .308. My son was shooting maybe 3 benchs down from the .308.
Need less to say that .308 ended our afternoon sooner than planned. You want to talk about earsplitting noise, wow.
If my 12 year old can figure this stuff out............
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Noise, no need for it. All my rifles get used for hunting and I'll not suffer a break. If I can't handle the recoil I'll step down in size.
That post is spot on.
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To summarize, and pretty much agree with most of the above, I don't like the noise or the looks.
Nothing I own is big or bad enough to require a brake. I once owned an 8mm Rem Mag. Nasty kicking thing! Rather than brake it, I sold it, and shoot a 7mm Rem Mag instead. Nothing that I hunt will ever know the difference, and it's much more manageable on my end.
As for shooting better, it's as some have already said (and backed up by the challenge to bang 40 rounds out of a 338); it will help the shooter to not flinch, etc, it won't somehow miraculously make the rifle itself shoot better.
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Noise, no need for it. All my rifles get used for hunting and I'll not suffer a break. If I can't handle the recoil I'll step down in size.
That post is spot on. +1 Spot on!
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i'm a big fan of brakes(not breaks)sorry:).
i'm also not sure if they help a gun shoot better or if it helps the shooter shoot the gun better. i'm leaning toward the latter.
although i've heard people swear by the browning boss as far as tuning loads go, but i've never tried one so i can't say.
i will say that if you are wearing ear pro, then i'm not sure what difference a brake makes. you can get brakes that are designed not to have excessive muzzle blast. i shoot a lot, all year, not just a couple shots before hunting season, so the brake is a welcome addition to my bigger guns.
i would challenge any of you guys to come and shoot against me with a big .338. you shoot yours without a brake, and i'll shoot mine with one, and we'll see who is shooting better after say 5, 15, or 40 rounds.
there are some pretty big benefits for brakes on bigger guns if designed correctly to minimize muzzle blast. (they are loud though, no getting around that)
Just curious as to what game you hunt with your braked rifles. Do you shoot 40 rounds in the field while hunting? Do you remove your brake when you take your rifle hunting? Do you think you need to practice at the range with the exact same gun you will be hunting with (i.e.: No brake at range if you're not going to use a brake while hunting)? Brakes make too much noise. Not just the noise, but the percussion shock for anybody that's around. Brakes are the exact reason that I shoot my rifles on my private land and refuse to go to the public ranges any more.
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I like brakes. A lot of my rifles have them, and not just hard kickers either. Just plain easier too shoot. I also like them on my competition rifles as well. BTW the myth that all guides don't like either is not true. In the last 10 years I have seen several guides with them on thier own rifles.
On my 1000yd rifle I can actually see the bullet trace to the target plus it makes it a lot easier to get back on target quick w/o the rifle jumping around in the bages. If we are sighting on clay birds at 600 or 1000 can see the impact through the scope and adjust for windage real quick w/o a spotter. There are some rifles though that it would be blasphmy to put a brake on...a NULA for example
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Yeh for long range brakes can be very effective. Most guys I know that shoot long range precision shooting, have a brake.Less recoil is always going to be a plus for accuracy.
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Less recoil don't make a rifle more accurate, it just allows puzzys to not flinch.
I don't know where brakes factor in on long range precision, but WTF do I know.
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