New loading project, Marlin 336 in 35 Remington. With the leverevolution powder and Hornady 200 gr flex tip. Yes I have the manual and powder container but just curious what has worked for others. Got a 2-7 leupold gloss I just haven't put on yet . Main use will be deer in western VA and Wva and maybe an occasional bear. Thanks in advance

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Hey Troutnut I traded up one of these back in October and what I've shot in it so far is the Hornady factory FTX that grouped 3 shots at 0.8295 did load some Hornady 200gr RN with LVR 43.5grs gave 0.8935 group 42.5grs did 0.6130 These are 3 shot groups at 100yds and scope is a Leupold 2x7. Hope this helps some. Dan.

Pretty good shooting for a 35. Thanks for the reply.

Not a twin but I got the cousin to your rifle. Same uses, mostly Appalachia mountain deer. Mine lives off of Varget, and 200 grain Sierras and Hornadys just shy of 2000 fps. One of my most accurate Marlin levers.

Nice looking Marlin

I haven't loaded the FTX, but have used the Hornady 200gr. RN and 43.0 gr. of LVR, WLR primers and Rem. brass. This load has shot very well in three different Marlins. My two Marlins have also shot extremely well with the factory FTX load. You won't have any problem getting a load worked up.

My Rem 760 shoots really well with IMR 4895 180 Speer FN hot core

My 760 .35 Remington likes 45 grains of LVR and any 200 grain round nose. 2280 fps. 200 grain Core Lokts do fearful damage on deer. This load can shoot 2 inch 200 yard groups on a calm day.
I've got some FTXs to try. She doesn't like factory Leverevolutions, but we'll see what other powders can do.

I might try some LVR sometime just out of curiosity, and maybe it would make a believer out of me, but man it's gonna be tough to beat what H4895 has done for me for several yrs now in a 760.

I get 2325-2350 with 200 gr Core Lokts, 2350-2375 with Speer 180's and very good repeatable accuracy at 100 yds. It's an over the book load I came up with and worked up to, but never a hint of any problem be it in extraction, or primers, or case life. But again to repeat, this is in a 760. No clue if it would work or be safe in a lever 35 as I don't have one.

Interesting info here!
The loads shown here are a little higher than I’ve seen listed in manuals. But then I think that the pressure limit on the cartridge is low. I suspect that might have to do with the early Remington semi-auto. The 336 and certainly the 760 should be able to handle the higher pressures.
I have a 336 35 Remington, I bought it primarily for shooting cast bullets. Now I think I’ll pour a little more lvr & H4895 under some 200 grain jacketed.

You’re getting 300 fps faster loads than what I’ve seen.
Figuring 1100 feet elevation and 200 grain FTX and 1.5” sight over bore, here’s what my ap shows with a 4.25 mph cross wind

You are correct. That was my thinking when I worked up that 760 load. It's 2.5 gr's over max, but a 760 is chambered for a whole host of high pressure cartridges, some over 60,000 psi like the 6mm, 270, & 308.

I worked up to that before I had access to any load software and just went off of common sense and what I was seeing. In the last yr I've run that load through GRT and it predicts just over 40,000 PSI if I remember correctly at that speed. Cream puff load for a 760.

Keep in mind also a 760 has a 22" barrel. Probably doesn't make a big difference in a 35 caliber bullet already moving out at moderate speed, but I'm sure it adds some compared to a 336.

Thanks for all the replies. Lots of choices here. I'll start working up some loads on my next break. Mounted a 2-7 leupold on it today. But also have a Nikon monarch 1-4 on the way.

Oh, and Bugger, if you're looking to get 2300 with the FTX you're not likely to get there safely I don't think. I've never shot them but they are a longer bullet and take up case space. Hodgdon is showing 41.4 gr of Lever compressed with the FTX and a longer COAL of 2.540 which is over SAAMI. H4895 is showing a max compressed load with that bullet at just 36 gr's.

By comparison Lever used with the 200 Hornady RN is showing a max of 45 gr's with a shorter COAL of 2.510.

It’s amazing how much lvr can go into a 35 rem.

I just worked up a 308 mx last week. I got sticky extraction at 41 with a 160 ftx.

Settled on 39. 38 is all I got with the 170 NP

In the 30/30 I am at 33 with the 160 ftx

Here's another target picture I ran across. Exact same load as the target above except a different scope. One of these was with a 1.5-5 scope, the other a 2-7 that I put on. Can't remember which target goes with which. Regardless it's been a heck of a combo in my rifle. Your results may vary.

Despite being no issue whatsoever in my 760 it is way over book load, so it goes without saying to approach with extreme caution or just don't do it if you're not comfortable with reading pressure in your rifle.

I can't comment on the FTX out of the 35Rem as I don't shoot them, But I am impressed with the FTX in my 350 Legend (.355). I am a huge fan of the LVR powder though for the 35Rem and 3030. It's been very easy to find accurate, fast loads with just about any bullet I've tried. I just ordered another 8lb jug this week as a matter of fact.

I’m not recommending it. I have a 358 if I need more velocity. If that isn’t enough, I’d go with 35 Whelen or 350 Rem Mag. I suppose that I need a 358 Norma…

I like where your heads at!

Despite my load above, I agree with you. I don't tend to push any rifle I own at the top of it's pressure capabilities attempting to get more than it's intended for. Most of what I use in any rifle is easy loads.

If I felt I was tickling the dragons tail so to speak with my 760 I wouldn't be using it. All indications after 100+ rounds and what GRT predicts is that it's still a cream puff load for a 760, under what starting loads are pressure wise in other chamberings.

I am not dissing the load in the 760 either. I don’t have a 760 35 Remington. I had a 141, but I sorta doubt the 141 can handle the pressure the 760 can.

With factory ammunition as a guide I tend to try to get the best accuracy within factory level velocity. But I can understand getting higher velocity than factory in certain cases.

An example:

Consider the 25-06, 270, 280, 280AI, 30-06 & 35 Whelen

If a shooter is hand-loading these cartridges in their factory rifle such as a 700 Remington I’d think they could all be loaded as high a pressure as the highest pressure cartridge.

Can a 35 Remington be loaded to the same pressure as other cartridges chambered in the 760? I’ll leave that up to the one who owns one. “Not my call”

Yep. I have a 141 also and stick to book loads on that one. Great old rifles but do not have the lock up strength and were never intended for anything more than the low pressure cartridges they were chambered for.

On your last sentence, I'm not interested in finding out if it can be ran at the same pressure as other cartridges in a 760 either. But book is a measly 35,000 PSI so it can very safely be given a good boost in my opinion while still staying at a very low pressure for a 760 compared to other cartridges. Many in the past have taken those 760 35 Remingtons and simply rechambered them to 358 Winchester.

So suddenly the same receiver, barrel, & chamber metal, is now a 58,000 psi cartridge for the rest of it's days. I felt and still do it's one of those things where you can think past the book in that instance.

Like PB&J, perfect match, beretzs turned me on too Lever powder for my 336 35 Remington, 220gr Speers at 2175 imo will handle anything in NA this side of 200 yards, sadly i loaded my last box of 50, do have a couple boxes of Speer 180's, i think they'll be plenty tough enough for deer, pigs or any black bear.

The 220's mentioned above are dead on 175 yards when landing three inches high at 100, only two inches low out at 200 where they still swat the piss out of 200 yard steel ; ]

Good luck, it's a great and fun round.

I am going to work them up in a 336 A. The longer barrel will perhaps improve ballistics.

Gunner have you tried these 220 replacements for the Speers?
Fury bullets

Whar y'all gettin' them thar 200gr Remington CorLokt bullets??? (Enquiring minds want to know.)

Why would you want to compare loads for the 760 ? The 336 isn't any stronger camming action than the 760.

The 35 Remington and the early Remington slide action (14) and semi-auto rifles (12) were designed for lower pressure cartridges. (25, 30, 32, and 35 Remington)
The 336 is/was chambered for many cartridges that are similar to the pressure as those early Remington cartridges. The 35 Remington being one of them.
The 760 was designed for higher pressure cartridges such as the 270 Win.
Loading the 35 Remington for use in the 760 should allow for a step up in performance. Similar to how the 45 Colt loads in the early revolvers are limited in pressure compared to modern revolvers and rifles.
I’m not sure what you’re referring to as far as camming action.

I bought 16 boxes of Remington 200gr RNCL factory ammo off a guy in I think 2019 IIRC, for about the price of brass a piece. $15.25 a box. I was pulling those bullets and loading my own, but in 2022 I picked up 2 boxes of those Rem 200 gr RNCL bulk bullets off a table for $35 a 100, so now I'm using those. Without looking I think I still have 11 boxes of the factory.

That 200 grain Remington is the best 35 Remington bullet made in my opinion. Man does it open up.

They are a good one. I'm glad to have what I do but sure wouldn't be upset if I had more! Haven't been able to buy them as a component for yrs.

Has anyone tried the Hawk bullets in a 35 of ANY caliber? RZ.

Before I got a 358 my 336 35 Rem load was 45gr of LVR and a 200 FTX or RN. Both shot outstanding and brass life was 10+ loadings. After I got the 358 my favorite loads are 39 gr of Varget and a 200 gr Hornady RN or 38 and a 200 gr Sierra RN. These were safe in my 336 sp as always work up with caution. I dont think youd ever get enough LVR in a 35 Rem case to hurt it.

I spoke with the guy at Fury about those 220gr bullets. Pretty sure he told me 1500fps is where they perform. I should have asked him what happens at higher velocities without assuming what he meant but, that’s not what I did. I was looking at them for 35 REM and 356 Win

Would it be ridiculous to shoot Buffalo Bores out of a 141? Not sure how hot those loads are compared to whats been talked about here already.

I’ve heard several people say to stick to JFN ammo in those rifles. And to stay away from hard cast and LVR ammo if you care about the longevity of your rifle.

Trying to find a 141. In turn I am trying to figure out what to shoot out of it.

I’m the type of person that takes that kind of information with a grain of salt until I see the proof behind the claim. In other words, what kind of experience and evidence did those people present to back that up? A lot of people repeat invalid information on the interwebs just because they heard it from someone else.

If it is over Saami pressure for a 35 Remington, I certainly would not. And given the speeds I seem to remember being touted by BB ammo, I don't see how it could not be over pressure.

Stick to standard factory loadings which by necessity keep the pressures down at Saami due to rifles like the 141 you mentioned, and much older like 14's and model 8's still commonly being used.

Given the price of 35 Remington ammo, if you can come up with some Speer 180 FN or Sierra & Hornady 200 gr RN, I'd buy them up. You can find brass, you can get the other components, but in 35 caliber, bullets is often the issue right now. Or if you happen to run across some good priced factory ammo buy it up.

Yeah I hear ya. Couple gunsmiths that work on the 14s/141s particularly say they’ve seen the tips of LVR snap off inside the ‘tube’, sneak their way into the action and cause havoc. Not sure what the deal with hard cast is.

I’ll do some more research.

Let’s say BB is probably not a good idea based on hot loads. It appears that somebody has told johnhroberts1993 not to shoot hardcast or LVR at all. What’s the validation behind that?

I’ve been looking into this. Never thought I’d ever get into reloading, but man I am leaning this way hard. I have heard good things about all those rounds you mentioned, and the 200 Speers.

Would rather find some of those than have to pour lead.

I’m not saying there is any validation at all. Simply something I’ve read gunsmiths that have worked on these rifles advise against. Just curious about other’s experiences.

Don't know. Didn't come from me. I only responded specifically to BB ammo in a 141. Nothing wrong with shooting the LVR ammo in a 141. It's factory spec and if it's safe in a straight tube 336 (which it is) it most certainly is safe in a spiral tubed 141.

I never thought I would be reloading either but I am thanks to 35 Rem, 356 Win and 45-75 Win. I’m not set up to cast though. Finding the Speer 200gr FN is going to be tough. Speer discontinued them but they still do runs of the 180’s. You’ll have to get lucky and find someone getting rid of Speer 200’s.

Another TAG, going to start loading for a friends 336 in 35Rem this year.