Be warned to steer clear of John Burda at Twin Oak Arms, out of Connecticut.

I purchased a Remington 760, in 270 Winchester from him, and it was not as advertised. What I got was a 7600, and he now refuses to refund the shipping.

Further, he held onto the MO and FFL for a week before sending the rifle out. He first claimed that he had not received it yet, then when I pointed out that I had a delivery confirmation from the USPS, he claimed that it must still be at his post office.

John Burda at Twin Oak Arms will sell you a rifle that is not as advertised, hold your money for a week until you basically force him to ship the thing, then refuse to refund shipping on the rifle that was not as advertised.

Here is the Gunsamerica Ad .

Beware of this dishonest seller.

CAS - Thanks for the warning! I'll pass the word to my bud's here in CT... Sorry to hear of your trouble with this guy!

That would be a PITA. This guy don't know a 760 from a 7600 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />....Maybe we ALL should give him call.....

CAS,

How could a 7600 not be drilled and tapped for scope bases? Were the holes actually there? Thanks...Bill.

CAS,

Sorry to hear that he screwed you.
But, thanks for the warning. I shop GunsAmerica.

Don

Obviously it is drilled and tapped for a scope mount. I doubt the guy ever actually saw the darn thing.

It really makes me mad, because I was buying it for my FIL for Christmas. He had all of his guns stolen this summer, and his one and only deer rifle was his 760. He had hunted all over the west, for decades, with that rifle exclusively.

Contact GunsAmerica.They'll put the heat on him till he set things right.

WB.

Just sent them a note. Thanks for the idea.

Very early Remington Model 760's were not drilled and tapped for scope mounting. He probably knows this and was using that line to mislead potential buyers. Just a guess.

Just got this nice response from the clearly classy John Burda, of Twin Oak Arms:

"Hey:
You must be one of those [bleep] Cry Baby Yuppies. If the world doesn't go your way, you whine, cry, stamp your feet and throw a trantrum.
We process hundreds of guns a week, here, from selling on the internet, guns shows, walk-ins, etc. it's easy to over look some things as this place is like a railroad station, with many people doing multiple functions, some are more experienced than others. We don't try to decieve people.
As for your [bleep] cry baby internet sites, go ahead, the only peole who read them are [bleep] like you that like to cry about the time you "got screwed".It doesn't affect my selling guns at all!"

Now that's class......

you would think someone who claims to have been buying out gunsmiths estates for 35 years would know the difference.I wonder how many jewels he's fumbled away over the years.

I gave up on Gunsamerica. I had 2 good experiences then a really bad one. I bought a "LNIB" 700 BDL mountain rifle in 280. Supposedly had a hand lapped barrel so it is "100%+" When I got it, the thing was a POS. It was well worn and even had an extremely pitted barrel. I asked for a refund and got a "sorry pal." I complained to GA and they sent the guy an email asking him to give me a refund. The butthead said no. I wrote the nastiest email I could and fired it off to him. He changed his name and when I called him on it, he changed it again. There is scum on that site and refuse to use it. I know there are good folks on the site but I won't take chances again with my $.

RH

CAS,
Well,after that e-mail,I'd send him this-

"You know,I know where (write in his town)is.If you'ld like,I'll drive down tomorrow,and we can talk about this man to man."

Worked for me about a year ago.A dealer got smart with me over the phone after sending me a "LNIB" gun that had a pitted bore and a 3 inch crack in the stock.He told me I "didn't know [bleep]".I told him I knew where Nashville was.He NEXT DAY AIRED me my refund,including shipping both ways,and even e-mailed me an apology.

You have to get tough with these guys.He's only acting like this because he knows you can't reach across the computer screen and smack him.

WB.

Don't hold your breath. GunsAmerica in my book is famous for going soft on sellers in order to keep them selling and making $$$ for GunsAmerica.

I've read several cases where GunsAmerica backed the seller in a dispute, not the buyer.
So, beware..

Don

I was a "Gold" member. When it was time to renew, I couldn't contact them to stop billing me the monthly charge because the "buy it now" function was not very reliable so I wanted to discontinue the Gold membership. I finally had to change my credit card number to stop the unwarranted billing charges.

I do buy a few guns on GunsAmerica but I always do reverse telephone lookup numbers, etc., of the seller to try to find out what I can before making the purchase.

I haven't been burned badly yet but a few times the firearm was misrepresented. I considered it part of the risk of buying online. Most people I have dealt with were very honest but there's always some jerk everywhere.

thanks,
Bill

What a dickhead of an excuse. "We're so busy things get overlooked." What BS. I hate to say, but I've had better luck at the chain stores. If something goes wrong, you have recourse. There's always another manager to talk to.

This sounds as bad as my experience last year with Crossroads Trading Post LLC.

She send me a SxS shotgun with a broken hammer - but blamed me or my FFL for dry firing it and breaking it. Luckily I was able to stop payment before she got to the bank. Looking back the emails and calls were hilarious. I should post all that here as it's good reading. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I have also had a run in with this guy. He is a clown and gets defensive with even a polite question about one of his guns, so I would guess he is hiding alot in his listings. I would just steer clear of this tool!

I have had some good experiences on GunsAmerica and AuctionArms. I am careful with what I buy and if I can't get all the details I want, I pass. I would much rather buy here on the campfire when possible.

CAS,

You ought to post his telephone number, so that anybody who wants to call and ask him about a rifle can do so. Take a few minutes of his time and make him think that he's got a sale, then tell him that you'd love to buy the rifle, but then you checked him out and Charlie from Cali didn't give him a good referal, so thanks, but no thanks. If he got a dozen or so 15 minute sales calls like that, he'll be begging you to send the rifle back for a refund and to call off your friends.

Jeff

very good idea ... and worst case, is that we can all just use up a bunch of that jackass's time, making him think he's got some sales working ...

Cas,

I have bought 4 rifles through the years from Gunsamerica but each time I cringe. There's no accountability system like at Gunbroker so I stick with Gunbroker if at all possible. Auction Arms seems to be so small now that I NEVER find what I want there.

You've learned your lesson and it's time to retaliate by letting us help with phone calls or just move on and forget it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

The worst thing you can do is to sit around and stew helplessly about it. It can and WILL hurt your health. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

In the "Grand Scheme of Things" it really ain't nuthin' at all... Believe that and you'll live longer and be healthier and happier. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

$bob$

Love that dog. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Jim

This is the information I got back when I sent an inquiry for one of the items they (he) offered on GA. I figured they just might respond to a question on a $2500 gun. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


The following seller was notified that you are
interested in the COLT SAA .45
________________________________________________________
Name: Twin Oak Arms
Email: simmonsite@aol.com
Phone: 8606582843

----------------------------------------------------
Ad Information:
GA Stock Number: 976762082
Price: $2,495
Link: http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976762082.htm
####################################################

Damn, did Jesse James own that thing or what? Can't wait to hear what they say about that pistol.

I'm not stewing over it. I consider it tuition.

Lesson learned, and I will never again buy without either knowing the person or paying with a credit card.

I bought one gun off gunsamerica and it was as advertised, but it was from an FFL dealer whom I talked with over the phone before bidding. Having said that, I don't think I will use gunsamerica any more just because the lack of recourse for scumbag sellers.
I have bought and sold several guns off Gunbroker and only had one problem with the gun not being as advertised. I contacted the seller and he ended up giving me some money back so I was happy. Gunbroker does have a pretty good buyer and seller protection system from everything I have heard, so that's who I stick with.

CAS,

Sorry to hear about this problem. I tried to buy a rifle from this culprit a few months back. At first he responded promptly when I asked for more pictures (2 hours) but then after I said I would take it. He responded with mailing information but no final sales price. He would not respond to e-mails or phone calls for the the final price to send. My FFL had already been in the mail for seven days before he finally called me back with final price. At that time I asked if he had recieved my FFL yet he said he had not. At that time I decided that I would not send payment (it just did'nt feel right). I wrote to him and explained my reasoning for my withdrawl of purchase, stating his lack of response was not up to task on a internet sale and that my FFL should have been there by now. Three days later I recieved a response from this IDIOT that he had recieved my FFL (took 10 days for mail to get to him, wonder how long it would have taken to get my rifle to me) and would be throwing it away and putting my e-mail address on the ignore list. Oh boy that hurt. This guy is a jerk first and foremost. Sorry to hear about your misfortunes.

Looks like the heat is working. The guy is now threatening to sue me for slander.

I love it.

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

At least you are getting his attention!

Good luck! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
art

is it slander if you call an azzhole by name, but he IS an azzhole?

I better run to the free legal advice thread and find out.

Maybe the "crybaby" internet site DOES affect his business afterall. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

CAS,

Two things - Creeps like selling over the NET because when people meet them in person they pick up on the non-verbals that "hey I'm a crook," so it's just easier for them to deal when people can't see their face and know - guys like this often view the world as a bunch of losers that they don't give a shot about. (I've dealt with one myself).

Second - if this butt hole said he's going to sue you, ask the gunsamerica site for other complaints against him, and forward the threat information to them. You might also want to put up a BBB claim against the Jerk.

Someone should put up a bad dealer list / site so no one buys from a jerk, now that would be a service!

Spot

This one worked for me a while back. If you sent the $ to him vis USPS mail and/or he shipped the rifle via USPS then he commited mail fraud. Contact your local Postmaster to file. Let him know what you are doing too - better yet, ask the Postmaster to call him "investigating" the complaint...

RH

Here is the text of the email I sent:

I'm interested in one of your Guns listed on GunsAmerica. I want to make sure that this is a straight up deal first so please forward to me a list of satisfied customers that I can contact to verify you are not a scumbag. Thanks.

Holding breath....grin

Wouldn't it technically be libel since it's in print? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I don't think it's either if it's the truth!!

Reply:

Yo:
I don't involve any of my former customers in a transactions other than theirs! They're purchases and transactions with me is confidential, and always will be. If you prefer to listen to a ranting [bleep] be my guest! I've offered this [bleep] a full refund, plus shipping both ways and he refused .He wants the money up front before he ships the gun . If you don't trust me, then find another dealer to buy from!I have been informed by others dealers that this guy has a habit of trashing people..j.b.

Did he?

He told me to send the rifle back and he would send me a check. Given his history of lying and decieving, I chose not to trust him and asked that he issue a call tag form UPS and send me certified funds for the refund before I send the rifle back.

He said that he would, but I won't hold my breath.

CAS

Good move!

WN

He knew instantly what I was refering to.........and that he IS a scumbag.

OK. OK. I'm not the brightest guy around, but when I click on the ad provided, I see an ad for a Remington 7600?


I don't get it? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

It says "not drilled for scope".Then says "has hole drilled for scope".

WTF?

WB.

Sounds like some "post-sale editing" going on.

Gee CAS, I didn't know that you were such a bleep! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> If I had known that you were such a bleep, all around PITA and on every dealers bleep list, I would have never responded to this thread! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> You did everything right my friend! This dealer has issues! I hope that somehow this all gets resolved to your satisfaction!

280,

the guy got caught, and he knows it. He went back after the fact and changed the ad, once he started getting some heat about it.

Notice where he recants the fact that it was not drilled and tapped, and how his Seller Stock Number shows it as a 760.

I would love to know what "dealers" told him that I am a pain. Especially sinc ethis is the only the second rifle I have ever bought off Gunsamerica, and I have a 100% positive feedback rating on GB. I normally buy from either a local guy (who I hunt with all the time), or Jerry's/Accusport.

Never had a single problem in any other transaction, that I can recall. Of course the rest of the people I have dealt with have all been honest.

Gunbroker will screw buyer over seller everytime...........
None on the online auctions back the buyer, just the dealers

CAS,

Due to your high level of integrity, I figured the
guy did some editing. I just wanted to confirm the fact for all of us here at the campfire. That 760 stock number was a dead giveaway. It was the first thing that caught
my eye.

Thanks for the response, buddy. Hope it works out for you! The wheels of justice often grind rather slowly.<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Regards,

Don

+1 Happened to me on a $1900. shotgun where the stock was cracked when I received it. I filed a complaint with all the information GB asked for and they did absolutely nothing. The guy still sells on their site today. Browning stood behind their shotgun and replaced the stock but it was a PITA.

The only thing GB wants is money from sellers fees the buyers can take a flying leap.