Check out the high speed footage of the 180 TSX.

Amazing!

Barnes 180 TSX High Speed Footage

Looks pretty devistating! I may have to try them!

Thats what I'm talkin about !!!!! It don't get any better.

Cost me $66.00 to look. Must resist.

Wow, that would be a very impressive wound channel

cool, anyone notice that in the 308 one that the end of the gel block has a face on it?

Two years ago I shot a elk cow broadside, the range finder said it was 300 yards, with a TSX 180 gr .30-06. It hit the front front shoulder (it wasn't the best shot I ever made). The bullet proceeded through the elk exiting the backside shoulder. The backside shoulder was completely shattered. Yup, Barnes makes one fine bullet.

Would be cool if they showed a comparison against some of the other good bullets, but that wound channel was pretty sweet.

Last Sept I ordered some TSXs directly from Barnes. A DVD was included in the package. It showed other bullets hitting ballistic gelatin and a comparison in penetration. A great sales video, worth acquiring.

It looks like the 308 TSX continues to spin as it went through and exited the gelatin. I can remember reading all sorts of theories on a bullet quickly stopping to rotate once it mushrooms and goes through media or an animal. Now I wonder about those theorists. Anyone else remember reading about this?

That's what struck me the most. The rotations are just picture perfect, and it looks to me like those "cutting petals" actually DO increase the total wound area.

AWSOME photography, either way. JMO, Dutch.

Very impressive!

Impressive for sure. Thanks for posting the link.

I think I'd be more interested in the same footage with a 2000fps impact velocity though...

No wow factor here.

When working for Winchester ammunition I shot 223's shooting FMJ's into hundreds of gel blocks and had the same results of what you see on that video.

ANY high power rifle will do this and knock that gel block off the table.

All Barnes has to do is add a little more water to the animal fat gel content and get a more explosive effect. They can easily manipulate the results any way they want.

Barnes, what a joke.

Haha, funny like 9 out of 10 of my last big game animals dropped at the shot type joke?

Only 9 out of 10?

Their marketing is a joke. They are trying to sell you on a bullet that performs just like any other bullet on video.

You could take a 180 FMJ or a 180 anythng they will perform just the same as the Barnes.

No wow factor to it.

Bet they are deadly on Jell-O......
This clip is dirt ball marketing 101.

LOL, yup only 9 out of 10....

So, you are saying the Barnes TSX is to much bullet for Jell-O hunting?
Standard cup & cores are alright for larger Jell-Os?
Would not the pass thru with the Barnes be better choice as you would have a gelatin trail to track?

My question is about shooting grapes. I see it worked fine on seedless grapes, but what happens if you hunt the seeded kind? I like to take a seed out with the vitals. It seems to drop them faster, and keeps them from charging! I wouldn't want my seeded grape bullet coming apart at the wrong time!

I don't know that their marketing is a joke or dirtball-ish.

For the average Joe it's pretty cool to watch and maybe they learn something about hydrostatic shock too. Who doesn't use their shock and awe cool stuff marketing for the public, the company that goes under I'd say.

It's exactly what you called it.... Marketing. I don't think that makes them a bad company.

SU ze;

Put the bottle down, no drinking mid-week, partner.

No kidding, advertising is 75% of the game. Heck I watched a BowTech commercial where an arrow disintegrated a target, can a BowTech really do that ???

If it looks cool and works miracles folks will buy it!!

Oh Spikey boy.....


Shooting that gel block is like shooting a watermelon. WOW!

What a slam from a few idiots. EVERY company does their best to market. All are shaded a bit in their favor the best they can. Thats marketing. Duh...

I'm sure a cup and core would be similar.

But I'll bet the farm that SU is WRONG. I"ve never seen a FMJ expand from the point backwards with petals. Since you want to pick nits about it.... Come on the HUA syndrome seems thick here on this thread for a few.

I"ll argue you all day that teh X series is a superb bullet and my choice when it counts. But there are other good bullets out there.

But an expanding FMJ?? Give us a break dude. Next thing you'll tell us is that Barnes is the force behind the no lead bullets in KA bill.....

As to the 2000 fps comment, yep you are dead on with that one. I"d love to see the results from many speeds.

Heck if I had the capabilities, the ideal thing (and this may be shown in that one dvd mentioned) is all brands of bullets into the same gel at a set of speeds, say 1500,2000,2500,3000 and 3500 fps impact speeds. The gel may be showing things that don't exactly happen like that, but it would be an apples to apples comparison anyway. Much like BC testing, done with same rifle, different bullets, same day, you get much more comparable results than different days, rifles and bullets.....

Jeff

"But an expanding FMJ?? Give us a break dude."

Give me a break dude.

Where did I say the FMJ would expand? I did'nt.

What I did say was that it would not matter what 30 caliber 180 bullet you were shooting the visual affects or explosive performance would be the same.

I can tell by looking at the video that Barnes watered down the jel to make a more explosive visual.

I also never said Barnes was not a superb bullet, for some it is and that's fine.


I am saying that Barnes is manipulating normal calberated gel block test to their advantage to WOW! the little boy in all of us.

Barnes has a record of not really being very professional in their test, bullet BC's, and reloading data.

But then who cares....

Su,

Be careful. The truth is never popular....

To take a qoute from Harry S. Truman - " They thought I was giving them Hell, I just told the truth and that was Hell..."

I would like to see a Sierra JHPBT vs. a Barnes X -bullet at 2,000 fps in a jell photo comparision.

Sierra would probably sale a few bullets...........

Bash em all you want, I like em & use em.
Still want to hunt some of them Jell-Os. Bang Flops most likely with the Barnes.

Of course you have solid proof to back up your claim?

Frankly, even if Barnes did manipulate the gel, I don't care. The purpose was to demonstrate certain aspects of the bullet performance and the video does that well - perhaps much better than with 'normal' gel.

My own water jug tests with Barnes 180g MRX at around 3100fps leaves no doubt in my mind that the TSX/MRX design is a very, very good one. Dang sure wish I had a high-speed video camera... I suppose you would dismiss my tests because they used pure well water...

Whose bashing Barnes bullets? I'm certainly not. I would never do that.

Hunters here have been edumacating us on their usage on big game now for some time.
To bad their high priest got booted though.

It really does not matter if they did add extra water, the same results would take place be it a Barnes or a Sierra.

These water test really prove nothing, Now, the way I would do it and did...I made the gel heavier in content and added cow bones into the jello and used 3 blocks back to back. Now that's a test. I also loaded down the bullet to an impact velocity of
2,200 fps
Tested them TSX's out using this system, yup them Barnes plow through them bones and jello alright. Those long 6.5' 130's would go all the way through and for my money...SD does matter.




"I suppose you would dismiss my tests because they used pure well water..."

No, no, no...

If you like to watch water blow up and call them your test.
That's great. There's a good WOW! factor to them.

Hey Y'all, look at this."

coyote hunter, tell me more info about the mrx. I am currently trying them out and any information of performance would be helpful.

So help me, if you say the face looked like Jesus...........
A grilled cheese sandwich is bad enough--but ballistic gel?

Casey

kyreloader �

As yet I have not had an opportunity to try them on game, only the water jugs, paper and steel. But I can provide some accuracy info for the 180g .308� variety as shot from my .300 Win Mag.

For comparison purposes, the 180g TSX do 3038fps over H4350 and yielded a 0.85� 4-shot group at 100 yards. That load has a roll crimp into a groove. For the most part, various loads with this rifle tend to com in at 1.0 to 1.3�.

The same load with the MRX put 4 shots into 1.7� with 3 of the 4 in 1.25�. Without the roll crimp it put 4 shots into 3.3� with 3 of the 4 in 0.90�. I suspect the 4th shot was my error.

For powders I am finding that H4350 works better than H4831SC, H1000, or Retumbo. Re25 worked well in the velocity department but I was shooting gongs and have no accuracy data for Re25.

#@%$(*& awsome! Check out each bullet on barnes' website they have the same kind of footage for some of they're others

Cool video. I'm still a firm believer that the TSX is the bullet to beat right now.

I always like the WOW factor of shooting.

Guys, 11 years before the TSX came out, GS Custom in South Africa implemented the concept, only better. GS uses small driving bands that give low pressure and little fouling. Barnes still has way too much bearing surface on their TSX, and there are still field reports of lack of expansion at range.

check these out: www.gscustom.co.za

You know, if Barnes had used a live Whitetail, somebody would bitch because it wasn't a Muledeer.

SU35,

Unless I missed it you didn't mention how the other bullets fared in your gelatin and cow bone test? Specifically, Sierra Game Kings and Nosler Partitions, if those were among the bullets tested. I'm just curious. Thanks.

i am sure the gs bullets are good but i am not a man with alot of money and i get my tsx's for a great price and i am a stickler for my barrel. i am sure the gs are good bullets and will do a great job for you or anyone who uses them but i have been shooting my 308 and my 243 with tsx and i have the groups i need both under a .5" group at a 100
don't mess with it if it ain't broke they say
rob k