The thread about deer camp being near and upon us reminded me of what I and my huting friends do to keep, and sometimes gain for the first time, access to private land to hunt upon.
Maybe these will assist some of you, and if YOU have ideas or tactics that have worked for you, gaining hunting access where you live, PLEASE add them here!
Out here in SE Washingtons arid Mule Deer country, one needs to have access to many hundred of acres of land (thousands of acres is better) to have a place to hunt. Most of the land owned around here is measured in hundreds of acres or more so buying a hunting camp plot is out of the question for us middle class folks.
My methods HAVE, however, worked to get us a couple of smaller plots to hunt ducks and pheasant on in the rare wet spots near here. I absolutely LOVE having small farm ponds and creeks to hunt on. Or at least I did when I was more able to utilize them.
These ideas possibly would be less effective in highly populated areas, or areas with great demand for highly sought after animals, but out here in rural SouthEastern WA this method has worked pretty well for us. I am putting it here in case it helps a member or two to gain access to some good places to hunt.
If you live in WA state or wish to hunt here, please be a good sportsman and do not copycat my idea for trying to gain access on the land in between (North of) Clyde and the Snake River as this is the stomping grounds I and my family and buddies have hunted for 31 years now. Bad manners to use my method to try to bump me/us out of our long hunted area. If you want to hunt in this region, I am most happy to help you find some other good spots nearby, and, being retired, I can even look up and send you some landowners names and addresses. Happy to do it and help you out, no cost of course.
We in our small band of hunters take up a collection between ourselves each late summer, and I handle the details from there. We set aside some of the moeny for buying steel T Posts, cement, gate building posts and chains and no tresspassing signs, 2x4 and 4x4 treated wood posts for building or repairing water guzzlers, salt and mineral blocks etc but MOST of the money is used to purchase generous gift cards and or gifts for the landowners who have allowed us access in the past, and smaller gifts and gift cards for propery owners who have not allowed permission in the past, YET! grin
Here is the rest of my plan, in case my ideas help someone else here gain access to a piece of land to hunt on.....
Most of the CRP and wheat land around here is owned by folks several states away or at least on the wet opposite and populated side of the state.
I contact these folks by looking them up in the county records, and in my letter (sent priority mail in a large flat envelope to look and feel more important) I offer in writing that my hunting group will 1) post - at our expense- and patrol the land, keeping large vehicles from driving cross country right across everything 2) build and or keep in good repair the water guzzlers (needed out in this arid region) that all of the wildlife uses or any other habitat improvement the landowner would like to see done and 3) treat the land with great care. This year, we included a couple of small gifts with the permission request letters for the first time, so I am hoping for a little bit better response. The only letter I was able to deliver in person to a landowner who lives in town here was well recieved, and permission was granted. My buddies and I are having a work day on Tuesday to post up this new to us property and look it over a little.
I hope my idea is found useful to someone here. It has kept our little band of brothers in great deer hunting territory for the past several decades. Good luck and good hunting! MARK
PS: Please post up your thoughts here, and more importantly, YOUR ideas that have worked to gain you access to places to hunt or fish.
If anyone wants to use this method in the restricted zone, I'll throw in to help with your postage and important looking envelopes.
In most area's and hunting groups, going around someone who has shown you a good area is considered quite rude. Is this different in MT?
IF someone reading this wants to hunt nearby similar good mule deer country, PM me and I will look up some landowner info in great areas for you, and you can try my method or a different one if you care to.
If you want to hunt with me and my group, PM Me and I will try to work you into our plans, depending upon how much land we get the OK on this year.
All sales final on one of your classifieds azz fuuckings seems pretty rude, too. But maybe not with you..
I can only imagine what con this is operating on, and the suckers getting pulled in on it.
I had to gain access to hunting land in Texas for 20 years mainly for predator calling. Because I'm feeling nice today, I'll be frank to you. I'm not sure why honestly.
What you are proposing is the exact opposite of what works large scale. You may get some small acreage places to hunt in your way (it sounds like it) but those who use the land for their livelihood will be skeptical of your approach.
They will ignore your letter, not want you messing with their guzzlers/water, and will likely not want you to set foot upon it ever with an approach like that especially without a meeting or five.
Ranchers are the best people on the planet but do not like sheisters. Based on how you conduct yourself on here, they'd spot you right off. I know I would.
Fact to face is the only way I have ever received permission to land. The land ownership in Texas vs. western public land states may have played a role in the attitude.
That you found someone who responded and granted you access makes me question what was in the letter...
You're basically leasing the land.
If someone makes a better offer, and it's accepted, that's just how life works
I'm not sure what (other than arrogance) would make you think you originated this concept
If you live in WA state or wish to hunt here, please be a good sportsman and do not copycat my idea for trying to gain access on the land in between (North of) Clyde and the Snake River as this is the stomping grounds I and my family and buddies have hunted for 31 years now. Bad manners to use my method to try to bump me/us out of our long hunted area.
Okay take it easy now Safari and don't get ticked off....
I just google Earth'd that area and found a couple real 'sleeper' buck spots....
You can't get mad if I send off just a couple manila envelopes.
Way ahead of you Sam. I just was classy enough NOT to tell him until I was over there.
Oh well. Carpool?
I know those landowners.
I can hook you longdickers up.
Just send me a little coin to grease the rails..........once.
Check's in the mail.
PS Don't tell Safariman.
He can't read....
Or comprehend......
Good times.
I've been laughing to myself while thinking about this all day..
The best comedy is unintentional comedy.
No I did not think this idea was original to me, just maybe a couple of twists on the old theme. I mostly wanted to spark a conversation and do some idea sharing with other hunters.
Greg pretty much nailed it.
We own property and hunt on it, but I also ask every year to hunt other landowners property.
I know if I received a certified letter, from someone I didn't know, with a gift cert in it, the whole thing would hit the trash. The warning bells would be going off in my head because it would seem like a scam of some sort from a stranger.
I suspect the first thing I'd do with such a letter and inquiry would be to run a google search on the individual sending me that letter, followed by contacting local and state law enforcement and licensure agencies, and probably any public court records as well.
Between what can be found out about people through licensure agencies and actions, public court records including bankruptcy cases, Internet forums, and other easily searched databases, the determination of whether or not I responded and how I would respond might already be determined.
If the person checked out, I might ask them to meet with me and take it from there. If the person did not check out, I'd consider issuing them a very specific letter forbidding their presence on my property with that letter also being filed with the local and state law enforcement and game agencies.
What works for me is to know the people in my area and when the time and topic are appropriate then hunting access comes up. I don't purposefully target properties for access, though.
I've got to say that if I owned a spread, and got a note from a total stranger telling me he'd post my land, "patrol" it, and keep people out, it would not sit well.
Not to mention the fact that by accepting his offer I would essentially be making the total stranger my agent and thereby exposing myself to all liabilities resulting from his actions.
I've got to say that if I owned a spread, and got a note from a total stranger telling me he'd post my land, "patrol" it, and keep people out, it would not sit well.
Not to mention the fact that by accepting his offer I would essentially be making the total stranger my agent and thereby exposing myself to all liabilities resulting from his actions.
yah think......
I've got to say that if I owned a spread, and got a note from a total stranger telling me he'd post my land, "patrol" it, and keep people out, it would not sit well.
Not to mention the fact that by accepting his offer I would essentially be making the total stranger my agent and thereby exposing myself to all liabilities resulting from his actions.
yah think......
Obviously, yes he does.
The thread about deer camp being near and upon us reminded me of what I and my huting friends do to keep, and sometimes gain for the first time, access to private land to hunt upon.
Maybe these will assist some of you, and if YOU have ideas or tactics that have worked for you, gaining hunting access where you live, PLEASE add them here!
Out here in SE Washingtons arid Mule Deer country, one needs to have access to many hundred of acres of land (thousands of acres is better) to have a place to hunt. Most of the land owned around here is measured in hundreds of acres or more so buying a hunting camp plot is out of the question for us middle class folks.
My methods HAVE, however, worked to get us a couple of smaller plots to hunt ducks and pheasant on in the rare wet spots near here. I absolutely LOVE having small farm ponds and creeks to hunt on. Or at least I did when I was more able to utilize them.
These ideas possibly would be less effective in highly populated areas, or areas with great demand for highly sought after animals, but out here in rural SouthEastern WA this method has worked pretty well for us. I am putting it here in case it helps a member or two to gain access to some good places to hunt.
If you live in WA state or wish to hunt here, please be a good sportsman and do not copycat my idea for trying to gain access on the land in between (North of) Clyde and the Snake River as this is the stomping grounds I and my family and buddies have hunted for 31 years now. Bad manners to use my method to try to bump me/us out of our long hunted area. If you want to hunt in this region, I am most happy to help you find some other good spots nearby, and, being retired, I can even look up and send you some landowners names and addresses. Happy to do it and help you out, no cost of course.
We in our small band of hunters take up a collection between ourselves each late summer, and I handle the details from there. We set aside some of the moeny for buying steel T Posts, cement, gate building posts and chains and no tresspassing signs, 2x4 and 4x4 treated wood posts for building or repairing water guzzlers, salt and mineral blocks etc but MOST of the money is used to purchase generous gift cards and or gifts for the landowners who have allowed us access in the past, and smaller gifts and gift cards for propery owners who have not allowed permission in the past, YET! grin
Here is the rest of my plan, in case my ideas help someone else here gain access to a piece of land to hunt on.....
Most of the CRP and wheat land around here is owned by folks several states away or at least on the wet opposite and populated side of the state.
I contact these folks by looking them up in the county records, and in my letter (sent priority mail in a large flat envelope to look and feel more important) I offer in writing that my hunting group will 1) post - at our expense- and patrol the land, keeping large vehicles from driving cross country right across everything 2) build and or keep in good repair the water guzzlers (needed out in this arid region) that all of the wildlife uses or any other habitat improvement the landowner would like to see done and 3) treat the land with great care. This year, we included a couple of small gifts with the permission request letters for the first time, so I am hoping for a little bit better response. The only letter I was able to deliver in person to a landowner who lives in town here was well recieved, and permission was granted. My buddies and I are having a work day on Tuesday to post up this new to us property and look it over a little.
I hope my idea is found useful to someone here. It has kept our little band of brothers in great deer hunting territory for the past several decades. Good luck and good hunting! MARK
PS: Please post up your thoughts here, and more importantly, YOUR ideas that have worked to gain you access to places to hunt or fish.
This has to be the dumbest thing I've read on here.
I've got to say that if I owned a spread, and got a note from a total stranger telling me he'd post my land, "patrol" it, and keep people out, it would not sit well.
Not to mention the fact that by accepting his offer I would essentially be making the total stranger my agent and thereby exposing myself to all liabilities resulting from his actions.
yah think......
Obviously, yes he does.
we need a sarcasm font
The thread about deer camp being near and upon us reminded me of what I and my huting friends do to keep, and sometimes gain for the first time, access to private land to hunt upon.
Maybe these will assist some of you, and if YOU have ideas or tactics that have worked for you, gaining hunting access where you live, PLEASE add them here!
Out here in SE Washingtons arid Mule Deer country, one needs to have access to many hundred of acres of land (thousands of acres is better) to have a place to hunt. Most of the land owned around here is measured in hundreds of acres or more so buying a hunting camp plot is out of the question for us middle class folks.
My methods HAVE, however, worked to get us a couple of smaller plots to hunt ducks and pheasant on in the rare wet spots near here. I absolutely LOVE having small farm ponds and creeks to hunt on. Or at least I did when I was more able to utilize them.
These ideas possibly would be less effective in highly populated areas, or areas with great demand for highly sought after animals, but out here in rural SouthEastern WA this method has worked pretty well for us. I am putting it here in case it helps a member or two to gain access to some good places to hunt.
If you live in WA state or wish to hunt here, please be a good sportsman and do not copycat my idea for trying to gain access on the land in between (North of) Clyde and the Snake River as this is the stomping grounds I and my family and buddies have hunted for 31 years now. Bad manners to use my method to try to bump me/us out of our long hunted area. If you want to hunt in this region, I am most happy to help you find some other good spots nearby, and, being retired, I can even look up and send you some landowners names and addresses. Happy to do it and help you out, no cost of course.
We in our small band of hunters take up a collection between ourselves each late summer, and I handle the details from there. We set aside some of the moeny for buying steel T Posts, cement, gate building posts and chains and no tresspassing signs, 2x4 and 4x4 treated wood posts for building or repairing water guzzlers, salt and mineral blocks etc but MOST of the money is used to purchase generous gift cards and or gifts for the landowners who have allowed us access in the past, and smaller gifts and gift cards for propery owners who have not allowed permission in the past, YET! grin
Here is the rest of my plan, in case my ideas help someone else here gain access to a piece of land to hunt on.....
Most of the CRP and wheat land around here is owned by folks several states away or at least on the wet opposite and populated side of the state.
I contact these folks by looking them up in the county records, and in my letter (sent priority mail in a large flat envelope to look and feel more important) I offer in writing that my hunting group will 1) post - at our expense- and patrol the land, keeping large vehicles from driving cross country right across everything 2) build and or keep in good repair the water guzzlers (needed out in this arid region) that all of the wildlife uses or any other habitat improvement the landowner would like to see done and 3) treat the land with great care. This year, we included a couple of small gifts with the permission request letters for the first time, so I am hoping for a little bit better response. The only letter I was able to deliver in person to a landowner who lives in town here was well recieved, and permission was granted. My buddies and I are having a work day on Tuesday to post up this new to us property and look it over a little.
I hope my idea is found useful to someone here. It has kept our little band of brothers in great deer hunting territory for the past several decades. Good luck and good hunting! MARK
PS: Please post up your thoughts here, and more importantly, YOUR ideas that have worked to gain you access to places to hunt or fish.
This has to be the dumbest thing I've read on here.
I can't read his posts , the stupid hurts.. But did he tell the landowners of all his ailments, and that he's easily the biggest guy in his quartet ? Or that he shoots an Ubermag?
if that won't get a guy one private , nothing will.
How many hours a day do you think safariman sits on his computer sending PMs to work his cons? I'm sure he sucked at least 2-3 guys into PM conversations with this post.
How many hours a day do you think safariman sits on his computer sending PMs to work his cons? I'm sure he sucked at least 2-3 guys into PM conversations with this post.
I'd guess you could see when and how often he is online, but the odds are pretty high that he spends most of every day coming up with or working a scam.
How many hours a day do you think safariman sits on his computer sending PMs to work his cons? I'm sure he sucked at least 2-3 guys into PM conversations with this post.
I'd guess you could see when and how often he is online, but the odds are pretty high that he spends most of every day coming up with or working a scam.
reminds me of the M*A*S*H episode when Colonel Potter says of Klinger something to the effect of
he can't help himself, wheeling and dealing are in his blood.
How many hours a day do you think safariman sits on his computer sending PMs to work his cons? I'm sure he sucked at least 2-3 guys into PM conversations with this post.
I'd guess you could see when and how often he is online, but the odds are pretty high that he spends most of every day coming up with or working a scam.
reminds me of the M*A*S*H episode when Colonel Potter says of Klinger something to the effect of
he can't help himself, wheeling and dealing are in his blood.
At least Klinger was honest about who and what he was. He didn't try to cover it in a "genuine, authentic, the one-and-only (reproduction available today) Shroud of Torin. Yes, and it can be yours with all the Salvation that comes with it in every thread, for the low, low price of $19.95 (
all sales final, no refunds, no exchanges)"
When you patrol these lands, and keep large vehicles from driving cross country across everything, would that include the uberlanche?
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Guy, why the [bleep] do you throw yourself in the pit like this? Ive never seen someone enjoy getting their ass whooped so much before. (shaking head in disbelief)
1) this is just the internet 2) Illegitimae Non Carbeurundeum 3) here, I was merely wanting to start an idea sharing thread with a method that was working for me and has been for some time. This was supposed to spark some brainstorming and learning how other people in different regions manage to hunt on private lands.
For the scoffers, I just this evening met with a landowner who is letting me and my friends hunt his place for the very first time. Gave us written permission and a detailed, with contours, map of his place.
It might be more appropriate to ask the folks who have shown thier colors as negative, thread hijacking scab pickers why THEY did this to a thread that was intended to be helpful to others and possibly of use?
For the scoffers, I just this evening met with a landowner who is letting me and my friends hunt his place for the very first time. Gave us written permission and a detailed, with contours, map of his place.
It might be more appropriate to ask the folks who have shown thier colors as negative, thread hijacking scab pickers why THEY did this to a thread that was intended to be helpful to others and possibly
of use?
I think it would be more appropriate to ask yourself why you think anyone would care what YOU do?
What is "helpful" about you tellng us you lease land to hunt on, an pretending no one would think of it on their own?
(And having to start two identical threads)
1) this is just the internet 2) Illegitimae Non Carbeurundeum 3) here, I was merely wanting to start an idea sharing thread with a method that was working for me and has been for some time. This was supposed to spark some brainstorming and learning how other people in different regions manage to hunt on private lands.
For the scoffers, I just this evening met with a landowner who is letting me and my friends hunt his place for the very first time. Gave us written permission and a detailed, with contours, map of his place.
It might be more appropriate to ask the folks who have shown thier colors as negative, thread hijacking scab pickers why THEY did this to a thread that was intended to be helpful to others and possibly of use?
Did you scam them on an anuity also?
It might be more appropriate to ask the folks who have shown thier colors as negative, thread hijacking scab pickers why THEY did this to a thread that was intended to be helpful to others and possibly of use?
Once again, it's your delivery/style that brings out the negativity in otherwise good people.
Why would you feel the need to give people here a lecture on sportsmanship? And, how many lessons and examples are needed on your miserable prose before that finally sinks in?
Good god man, a first grader has better cognitive skills.
It might be more appropriate to ask the folks who have shown thier colors as negative, thread hijacking scab pickers why THEY did this to a thread that was intended to be helpful to others and possibly of use?
I can't speak for the others, but like I said, your entire approach would rub me wrong and you'd end up without a reply to your "official-looking" letter. Getting one of those in the mail would render your objective dead on arrival. So would telling me you'd post and "patrol" MY land.
So I'm just trying to be helpful by letting others know that your approach has the potential to put people off.
As far as what works, start with your state's district or regional wildlife managers; most states have them assigned to specific regions. Before you approach them do your homework and let them know you have; don't just call up and ask "where can I hunt?" Try to build a rapport with them because they know where the game is, they know who might give you access, and they know which places definitely won't give you access. That saves a lot of time right there. They can also tell you what time of year is best to approach landowners if they're ranchers and are really busy at certain times.
If the district managers like you and your approach, they'll share information, if they don't they won't. With this information you'll be making inquiries in person or by phone to people who are pre-disposed to give access.
It helps with the DM's if you can say you volunteer your time for their agency projects, I always manage to wedge that into the conversation and when they hear that most often you can feel their attitude change over the phone.
Smokepole,
That was some useful and helpful information. Also a good and fair critique of my writing style. Thank you.
MARK
PS having heard this from more than one person, obviously, this is something I have to try harder at working on. My intent was to be helpful and start a dialouge, but the delivery was lacking.
FWIW, I have now recieved two positive phone calls from landowners, and one has already provided a detailed map of his property and a written permission slip. My approach may not be 100% (what is) and some of you may be put off by such an approach, but it has worked well for me in that past and still is working.
Rather than bash what works for me, here, share what you think WOULD or HAS worked for you. Especially when the owners of the land live many states away like is the case thoughout much of my preffered area for hunting.
Anyone have a good idea to share about what works where you are?
Well, first thing, I wouldn't be a conniving POS.
You might try working on that?
Smokepole, That was some useful and helpful information. Also a good and fair critique of my writing style.
That was not a critique of your
writing style.
It was a critique of the content, not the way it was said.
WOW! That's what I call a pattern.
The party argued that the party (1)
has not been transacting insurance in Oregon for some time, (2) is not licensed in
Oregon, (3) does not represent Bankers Life and Casualty Company, the insurer
that he represented in the course of engaging in the misconduct, (4) is planning to
move from Walla Walla Washington to Elko Nevada, and (5) has poor health which
may prevent him from working anywhere again.
Here's a technique that works for me. Buy Hunting GPS maps for the area that you have an interest in. Stay on public land and leave others alone. I have spent the last 10 days in Idaho using this method and no one has been bothered and I have not trespassed nor been lacking in opportunities. I find it liberating to know that I can hunt w/out trespassing or being in doubt. YMMV.
mike r
Crap, that's all Nevada needs. another lightweight sheister on the welfare system. At least we don't have many bears to azzshoot. Seniors beware!
mike r
The thread about deer camp being near and upon us reminded me of what I and my huting friends do to keep, and sometimes gain for the first time, access to private land to hunt upon.
Maybe these will assist some of you, and if YOU have ideas or tactics that have worked for you, gaining hunting access where you live, PLEASE add them here!
Out here in SE Washingtons arid Mule Deer country, one needs to have access to many hundred of acres of land (thousands of acres is better) to have a place to hunt. Most of the land owned around here is measured in hundreds of acres or more so buying a hunting camp plot is out of the question for us middle class folks.
My methods HAVE, however, worked to get us a couple of smaller plots to hunt ducks and pheasant on in the rare wet spots near here. I absolutely LOVE having small farm ponds and creeks to hunt on. Or at least I did when I was more able to utilize them.
These ideas possibly would be less effective in highly populated areas, or areas with great demand for highly sought after animals, but out here in rural SouthEastern WA this method has worked pretty well for us. I am putting it here in case it helps a member or two to gain access to some good places to hunt.
If you live in WA state or wish to hunt here, please be a good sportsman and do not copycat my idea for trying to gain access on the land in between (North of) Clyde and the Snake River as this is the stomping grounds I and my family and buddies have hunted for 31 years now. Bad manners to use my method to try to bump me/us out of our long hunted area. If you want to hunt in this region, I am most happy to help you find some other good spots nearby, and, being retired, I can even look up and send you some landowners names and addresses. Happy to do it and help you out, no cost of course.
We in our small band of hunters take up a collection between ourselves each late summer, and I handle the details from there. We set aside some of the moeny for buying steel T Posts, cement, gate building posts and chains and no tresspassing signs, 2x4 and 4x4 treated wood posts for building or repairing water guzzlers, salt and mineral blocks etc but MOST of the money is used to purchase generous gift cards and or gifts for the landowners who have allowed us access in the past, and smaller gifts and gift cards for propery owners who have not allowed permission in the past, YET! grin
Here is the rest of my plan, in case my ideas help someone else here gain access to a piece of land to hunt on.....
Most of the CRP and wheat land around here is owned by folks several states away or at least on the wet opposite and populated side of the state.
I contact these folks by looking them up in the county records, and in my letter (sent priority mail in a large flat envelope to look and feel more important) I offer in writing that my hunting group will 1) post - at our expense- and patrol the land, keeping large vehicles from driving cross country right across everything 2) build and or keep in good repair the water guzzlers (needed out in this arid region) that all of the wildlife uses or any other habitat improvement the landowner would like to see done and 3) treat the land with great care. This year, we included a couple of small gifts with the permission request letters for the first time, so I am hoping for a little bit better response. The only letter I was able to deliver in person to a landowner who lives in town here was well recieved, and permission was granted. My buddies and I are having a work day on Tuesday to post up this new to us property and look it over a little.
I hope my idea is found useful to someone here. It has kept our little band of brothers in great deer hunting territory for the past several decades. Good luck and good hunting! MARK
PS: Please post up your thoughts here, and more importantly, YOUR ideas that have worked to gain you access to places to hunt or fish.
This has to be the dumbest thing I've read on here.
Read the rest of this lying, cheating, fraud's posts...they get worse.
Good god man, a first grader has better cognitive skills.
When my kid was in first grade, he ready knew you don't shoot an animal in the ass on purpose, and a average sized black bear can be killed with a well placed .223 round.
Greg pretty much nailed it.
We own property and hunt on it, but I also ask every year to hunt other landowners property.
I know if I received a certified letter, from someone I didn't know, with a gift cert in it, the whole thing would hit the trash. The warning bells would be going off in my head because it would seem like a scam of some sort from a stranger.
I missed the part where he said he sent a certified letter.
I offer in writing that my hunting group will 1) post - at our expense- and patrol the land, keeping large vehicles from driving cross country right across everything
When you patrol these lands, and keep large vehicles from driving cross country across everything, would that include the uberlanche?
Now that's some funny chit, ain't it?! What a [bleep] maroon!
I notice he keeps signing in, but doesn't post. Is he on super secret probation
He's the King of not so secret stupid.
Man, what in the hell is going on in this thread LOL....
It would take an Uber explanation...
I'll taka a shot.
A good analogy for this thread is "what happens when you stand over the toilet and press the lever on a big sticky turd"
......it gets flushed