I found Remsen’s Henry VI thread referencing the mindset of Montana’s judiciary from the State Supreme Court on down to be alarming. Montana fer Chrissake and one might think the legal luminaries would be older folks harkening back to decades previous.

I do understand that if Texas and/or Florida flip Blue on the national level we’re all eventually fugged as a Nation anyway.

Meanwhile, where is the last, best State to retreat to?

I’m thinking Oklahoma.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/most-republican-states

North Dakota’s budget is in the black or at least that’s what I here. But we have these winters that are legendary….

And like any state, we get fuqks from all over the country that bring in drugs and the crime that follows.

Growing up in the 70’s-80’s, I seldom heard of a murder, if there was one it usually was on or near a Rez. Then the Lutheran brotherhood started importing folks from the dark continent, crime went up…then the Meskins never left after beet harvest, so more crime.

Oklahoma and Utah. Oklahoma has tornadoes, which is why I live in Utah.

Not to belabor the obvious...but apparently a lot of Utahans voted Romney in ....

Oh I'd say a state without any big cities... probably Montana or the Dakota's.

Disqualified.

Utah has Romney.

I think that eventually it's going to matter less about who's in office in DC or your state capital and much more about who your neighbor is or sheriff.

Or can you live in such a place where you can be alone mostly.

Romney and Harris could run Alaska but it don't matter because they'd never find you to oppress you anyway.

I am going to take issue with the poll above. "Kentuckians" did NOT vote for a Democratic governor. The Teachers Union voted to protect their state retirement and benefits even though the state budget was upside down...

In the last thirty years, politics in our county have swung from elections being decided by the Democratic primary (1992), to one third of all voters voting a straight Republican ticket (2020).

When was the last time shidt went sideways in Kansas? It's probably the safest place on the planet. I have a few relatives there. They never leave.

Idahos percentage of Trump voters in '20 wasn't quite as high as a couple other states, but what has our legislature done recently? To name a few....
constitutional carry
transgenders prevented from competing in girls sports (being challenged in court by the ACLU, in front of the 9th circuit last I heard)
a heartbeat law for abortions
2 refunds of tax surpluses in the last year

The legislature is heavily R in both houses and the governor is R.

I wonder if "Most Conservative State" and "State With Most Conservatives" would be different?

I'm sick of you guys hammering us about Romney. The choice on the ballot was an R or a D. Are you saying we should have all voted for the D? C'mon, tell me.

That's a math question, not a politics question, so it certainly could be.

I'm not sure I wouldn't rather have a democrat than a traitor.

At least with a democrat, you KNOW what they'll do.

BTW, I've voted to primary Cornyn the last several elections, but had to gag and vote for him in the general. I hear you.

Who was on the ballot in the primaries? That's where the real election was. Here in Idaho the R's have a closed election for their primary. You have to be a registered party member to vote. The party chooses who's on the ballot making it very difficult for an outsider to challenge a party favorite.

Who said "Oklahoma"?
Dude, we have some libs here that would make Californios proud!
The county I'm in hasn't run a (R) since "who-flung-a-chunk"!
ALL the county people (commissioners, judges, etc, etc) all register and run as (d)....regardless of their political affiliation!
Way back when the gummint (LBJ, Cah-tah, etc) began doling out farm subsidies, these old backwoods dirt farmers wouldn't be caught dead voting (R)!

But times have changed. They STILL, to a man, register (d). They may vote (R), but they won't register that way.

We currently have two very good senators, Inhofe and Lankford.
Inhofe retires at the end of this term. Hoping we can get another good (R) senator.
I think T.W. Shannon is running to replace Inhofe. I'll vote for him!

The "MOST" conservative state?
Uhhmmm....I dont know, but OK ain't all bad! LOL!

Not busting on you at all.
And yes you gotta vote for the lessor of 2 evils at times, especially when the 2 evils are similar.

Mitt is the classic carpet bagger poltician.
He used his mormon faith and the I saved the Olympics awesome legacy to run into Utah.
He could have established residency in any other state, but he would not have gotten elected at all...
We got plenty of schitbird senators in this nation.
That side with the Liberal Socialist Democrats, but yet get elected by conservative voters in their states and are not doing what their voters want them to do...
The ability to recall these fuggs would be a good thing.

For some reason in my head when post about mitt being a senator from Utah come up.

This clip comes into my mind about him...

I voted against Romney in our primary. But in Utah, you are allowed to switch party affiliation before an election. The Dems did that in droves, and got Romney on the final ballot - then switched back again. We were left with a D and a RINO. Fooked either way, but at least nominally, having more Rs in the Senate has some importance.

Mitt won the primary, enough said

That's an interesting map, but in my experience the most conservative state is Alaska. As far as a "leave me alone, mind your own business and I'll do the same" attitude.

Don’t you mean more libertarian?

Do not confuse libertarianism with conservatism.

A true conservative does not want to tell other people how to live their lives.

And states need to stop that practice.
It's a clever way they manipulate schit.
A unspoken way of getting manchurian types through.

Just like they need to stop allowing "independents" to be listed on dem or repub candidate list also.
Give em their own candidate list.

Beshear was "elected" by a whole lot of dead negroes in Jefferson county. I looked up these statistics the day after the election. The population of Jefferson county at that time was given as 771,158. The number of registered voters in Jefferson county was... are you sitting down?....611,133. Apparently, damn near every man, woman, AND CHILD in Louisville is registered to vote.... Total number of votes counted, 278,472. (186,561 for Papa Andy). That's over 45% "voter" turnout.... in a state race, no presidential election. 36% of the ENTIRE population of Jefferson county cast a ballot that night....

Iwould say Wyoming it has the lowest population and is not a state for the weak or lazy it would eventually consume them.

Dean

New York and New Jersey are turning N.C. more liberal every day. Something like 300 people a day move to the N.C., most of which come from those two states. They just keep pouring in here. Lucky for me, they tend to stay out of my backward county!

I knew a handful of teachers in Kentucky that were hard core republicans until those retirement benefits were on the line and they voted democratic and didn't think twice about it.

I'm not really blaming them, alot of 55+ year old people would vote democrat if a republican ran on a ticket of taking away retirement benefits they worked to earn. It was a pragmatic decision on Bevins part but he also went hard against educators in the state in his comments. It motivated alot of people to work against his re-election.

In Texas we have Cornyn. We had a guy named Stoval running against him in the primary but name recognition still is king I guess. Even though Stoval was just what the doctor ordered for a senate candidate, big city people put Cornyn back in office. He wormed his way into every picture taken with Trump before the election and even voted for some conservative issues, but now he is right back to his RINO ways.

We have the same issue in Iowa as well. Luckily we did not get a Romney. However, there will be a lot of party switching to eliminate Charles Grassley. Charles has never been this vulnerable before. He has 3 democRATs running against him this time. It will be close.

kwg

At some point, there must have been a primary election...with alternate choices...what happened? And since you have so boldly nominated Utah...Sen Mike Lee's amazing transformation from an anti Google critic to Google cheerleader was not exactly a profile in conservative courage either. I feel your pain with the party switching though. Unbelievably, Calif had mostly Republican Governors until 2011, but then the Dems miraculously came up millions of new latino 'citizens' (birth right citizenship) qualified to vote, and re drew voting district lines to cancel Republican strongholds. California is now the richest province of Mexico...and will never recover, there is a lesson in that for states wavering on going purple. The Calif steal is the playbook.

I wanna say that most conservatives have an expectation that folk live within a moral and legal framework. And I think this framework usually dovetails in with the Ten Commandments. At least for a true American conservative.

A lot of what Americans call conservatives these days are only conservative in a fiscal sense.

Many apply a litmus test of sorts to determine for themselves who is a conservative according to whether they support this amendment or that in the bill of rights. Really though the Ten Commandments are the basis for every western world legal system since the Magna Carta.

It damned sure ain’t Wyoming! While we’re fairly conservative…..we are not strongly conservative! memtb

Wyoming allows this also……hence the Governor we have now!

In our recent session, a bill was proposed to stop this……it went nowhere! memtb

I’d say nearly every state is more conservative than it’s elected politics. Democrats have been cheating in elections for a long time.

I think that's a "true libertarian" by most people's definition.

This has been the case in SC as well........

Haven't read all the comments...need to go doctor a couple horses...and I know I live in Texas...but without a doubt the answer is Oklahoma...in both of "the one's" elections, not a single county in all of Oklahoma, voted in the majority for Obama. That my friends is the definition of CONSERVATIVE...

ALASKA, conservative???...SHUT THE FRONT DOOR...Lisa Murkowski is one of your senators...as Walter, Jeff Dunham's sidekick would say."DUMBASS!"

I live in Western Colorado but at least I live in the most conservative County, Mesa County.

I would say Oklahoma. I lived NE of KC for almost 40 yrs. While Missouri is a good place to live, I saw many tricks libs pulled. Living in Oklahoma it is a whole different culture. Quite a gun culture. We leave each other alone politely. Get close to those we want to.

The problem with Utah is schitti lake salty. Like most western states, the libs have flocked there for the last 40 years; primarily fro California. Idaho is in the same boat with Boise nowadays. They move in because of the mess that’s Cali then complain it’s not like cali and vote for the same stoopid stuff that made California a mess. Liberalism = insanity

It’s now a Question of how much more Damage can Mittens Preform as a Ukie ..

We should probably talk about the fortyish States that are destroying America rather than get pissy about the few that aren't.

The issue I have is that Bevin was not going to change benefits for teachers currently in the plan. His proposal would have only affected new teachers coming into the system. There was ZERO impact to teachers who were already in the system. However, you would have thought that he was trying to murder their children...

Exactly. Conservatism is (or should be) about society. About culture, history, heritage, religion. About doing what is right, rather than doing whatever the hell you want.

"Libertarian society" is an oxymoron. What does the libertarian care about society?. Oh, you religious "statists" can "freely assemble" over there somewhere, but don't you DARE try to tell the rest of us what is right or what is wrong! The time is fast approaching when this philosophy is going to come back and bite you in the ass. Hard.

And don't confuse libertarianism and conservatism with anything right wing.



Right, a conservative's job is to lose gracefully and cement left-wing advances into place.

Missouri .. bigger cities far too much chit for brains types , rural is golden for the most part, but the insurgents of California's moving in the future many be a bit shaky .

I would say that is more libertarian than conservative.

Depends on how you define conservative.

There ain't much left to conserve.

A) I believe we’re past the point of voting our way out of this mess

B) I believe that we got ourselves into this mess by failing to tell the Reps we wouldn’t show up if they didn’t give us a candidate worth voting FOR. I say “we” because I’m guilty of it

I spent a week in SD last Fall and I'd say it would be hard to find a more Conservative State.

That was my first thought as well; ND is right there with em.

Oklahoma is the most conservative state in the US.

Of all the States I've lived in, I would have to agree with you. If the Texas Panhandle was it's own State, IMO it would win hand down. Weather is a little "iffy", but people are world class.

I remember when I lived in Oklahoma 40 years ago. The Newspaper was the only Right leaning paper I have read. The news was completely difference.

I would say TX & WY are the most conservative.

WY is Mitch’s Right Nut and SD is the Left Nut..
Then there’s that Cheney R WY Tumble Weed ..

WY yes, TX no.

Oh? Then consider who they vote for. WY has 100% R congressmen and US senators. TX has about 1/3 Dems in the house. In their state legislatures, WY is probably 90% R. In TX, the R's have the majority in both houses but not by much.

Coming from Nebraska, I totally understand. This country has a lot of Democrat and RINO housecleaning to do and that's not easy when BIG MEDIA/BIG TECH get to continously stack the deck agaist the truth.

Voting republican…..does not make you conservative ! memtb

Exactamundo.

Definitely not Texas.

Yeah.....teacher's unions are supposed to be made of smart people........I guess that went out the window. They blamed a Republican Gov trying to fix their retirement, for screwing up their retirement, even though the Democrats had been doing it for 30 years prior and were actually to blame....real smart there Einsteins..

My assets mirrors Timbermaster's statement above...

Oregon here being a good example....

You have to just try and live your life under the radar and be left alone. I used to live at a place in Oregon I found impossible to be left alone, mostly by the Forest Service and fire services, so I left and ended up the most lawless place I could imagine. Pot growers before it was legal had been doing it since the 60's. Murders, disappearances, theft. BUT, you can still live a good life and be left alone here because there are good people everywhere. The world is a fugged up place, but I'll take my chances in Armegeddon. Oregon rather than some city full of liberals. I get to work and hunt all I want and pretty much get left the fugg alone by govt agencies.

That's the most important thing to me, hide from those bastards from the govt.