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Posted By: smokepole NBA Finals - 06/11/23
I know, I know.

But has anybody here kept up with Nikola Jokic? He's finally getting the recognition he deserves, but the reason I started watching is, he's a breath of fresh air and the antithesis of everything that's wrong with pro basketball. He shuns the limelight, hates interviews, and when they gave him his last MVP award they had to travel to Serbia to do it because he basically said, screw it, I'm going home to take care of my horses.

Ultimate team player, makes everybody around him better, and would rather pass than shoot.


I'm gonna go put on my asbestos underwear now.
Posted By: Angus55 Re: NBA Finals - 06/11/23
Hadn’t watched the NBN league since 1972, do like to watch HS and College.
Posted By: WYcoyote Re: NBA Finals - 06/11/23
Glad he is going to win the finals instead of Queen James, that's for sure.
Posted By: TrueGrit Re: NBA Finals - 06/11/23
Is there any whites on either team?
Posted By: smokepole Re: NBA Finals - 06/11/23
Is that a serious question? Both their best player and their best rookie.
Posted By: colorado bob Re: NBA Finals - 06/11/23
I'm watching. He is the best passing center I've ever seen. I hope they can keep the Nuggets together for a few years----
Posted By: TimZ Re: NBA Finals - 06/11/23
I do notice the media now calls him Nikola more often than not instead of “The Joker”……..finally getting some R-E-S-P-E-C-T, as Aretha would say……
Posted By: smokepole Re: NBA Finals - 06/11/23
Yeah, they have no choice now since the Nuggets are on the verge of winning it.
Posted By: SKane Re: NBA Finals - 06/11/23
I've been watching solely due to Jokic - my goodness he's a talented and humble human.

What's interesting to me, three of the top players in the league are foreigners and they're three of most humble humans too - Jokic, Antetokounmpo & Doncic.
Posted By: Hotrod_Lincoln Re: NBA Finals - 06/11/23
Sounds like the exception that proves the rule- - - - -"You can take the boy out of the hood, but you can't take the hood out of the boy!". Why does anybody get excited about watching a bunch of overpaid, tatted-up groids playing a ghetto kids' game?
Posted By: RockyRaab Re: NBA Finals - 06/11/23
Is that the game where mutant giant men dribble on the floor?
Posted By: COLORADO_LUCKYDOG Re: NBA Finals - 06/11/23
Not only is the Joker the best basketball player in the world, he's rated the number one bear wrestler in the world also! Go Nuggets! I can't wait until tomorrow night!
Posted By: dale06 Re: NBA Finals - 06/11/23
Haven’t watched a pro basketball game in 20 plus years. Doubt I’ll ever watch a game again.
Posted By: PaulBarnard Re: NBA Finals - 06/11/23
Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
Sounds like the exception that proves the rule- - - - -"You can take the boy out of the hood, but you can't take the hood out of the boy!". Why does anybody get excited about watching a bunch of overpaid, tatted-up groids playing a ghetto kids' game?

Why do you like cock in your mouth?
Posted By: EdM Re: NBA Finals - 06/11/23
The Spurs were pretty happy to pick up Victor Wembanyama. I expect Pop to not retire for a bit.
Posted By: smokepole Re: NBA Finals - 06/11/23
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
Sounds like the exception that proves the rule- - - - -"You can take the boy out of the hood, but you can't take the hood out of the boy!". Why does anybody get excited about watching a bunch of overpaid, tatted-up groids playing a ghetto kids' game?

Why do you like cock in your mouth?

Well that was rather abrupt.

I was going to ask why he felt compelled to comment on something he has no interest in. And then answer his question by saying that many of us played the game in high school and enjoy seeing someone play the game the way it should be played.


But I like your answer better Paul.
Posted By: deflave Re: NBA Finals - 06/11/23
I have not watched the NBA finals in a years but I have really enjoyed this years playoffs.

Agree Joker is great for basketball. I like Butler also. He’s funny.
Posted By: local_dirt Re: NBA Finals - 06/11/23
Originally Posted by deflave
I have not watched the NBA finals in a years but I have really enjoyed this years playoffs.

Agree Joker is great for basketball. I like Butler also. He’s funny.




Both players are a breath of fresh air from the Chynese ass sucking fools like Le bone.
Posted By: deflave Re: NBA Finals - 06/11/23
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by deflave
I have not watched the NBA finals in a years but I have really enjoyed this years playoffs.

Agree Joker is great for basketball. I like Butler also. He’s funny.




Both players are a breath of fresh air from the Chynese ass sucking fools like Le bone.

Lebron set the NBA back 40 years.
Posted By: local_dirt Re: NBA Finals - 06/12/23
Originally Posted by deflave
I have not watched the NBA finals in a years but I have really enjoyed this years playoffs.

Agree Joker is great for basketball. I like Butler also. He’s funny.



Did you know Butler likes country music?
Posted By: shrapnel Re: NBA Finals - 06/12/23
Jokic is what Gronkowski would look like if he played basketball…
Posted By: smokepole Re: NBA Finals - 06/12/23
If Gronkowski played basketball, you wouldn't know who he was.
Posted By: shrapnel Re: NBA Finals - 06/12/23
Originally Posted by smokepole
If Gronkowski played basketball, you wouldn't know who he was.

I wouldn’t care either…
Posted By: SupFoo Re: NBA Finals - 06/12/23
DPD prepared for riots. Or so they say. LoL
Posted By: PaulBarnard Re: NBA Finals - 06/12/23
It all ends tonight. Kudos to Miami making it as far as they did as an 8 seed. Their series against Boston was outstanding.
Posted By: local_dirt Re: NBA Finals - 06/12/23
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
It all ends tonight. Kudos to Miami making it as far as they did as an 8 seed. Their series against Boston was outstanding.




It was.
Posted By: reivertom Re: NBA Finals - 06/12/23
Who still watches the "NBA of China"?
Posted By: smokepole Re: NBA Finals - 06/12/23
Originally Posted by shrapnel
Originally Posted by smokepole
If Gronkowski played basketball, you wouldn't know who he was.

I wouldn’t care either…

Outstanding.
Posted By: bluffview Re: NBA Finals - 06/12/23
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
Sounds like the exception that proves the rule- - - - -"You can take the boy out of the hood, but you can't take the hood out of the boy!". Why does anybody get excited about watching a bunch of overpaid, tatted-up groids playing a ghetto kids' game?

Why do you like cock in your mouth?

Well that was rather abrupt.

I was going to ask why he felt compelled to comment on something he has no interest in. And then answer his question by saying that many of us played the game in high school and enjoy seeing someone play the game the way it should be played.


But I like your answer better Paul.

Stay in your lane Hotrod.
Posted By: COLORADO_LUCKYDOG Re: NBA Finals - 06/12/23
I think tonight is going to be it! The whole city of Denver is electric. Anywhere you go everyone is talking about it here! Go Nuggets!
Posted By: SupFoo Re: NBA Finals - 06/12/23
Vegas Odds: Nuggets by 8 1/2 points.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/las-vegas/
Posted By: local_dirt Re: NBA Finals - 06/13/23
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
It all ends tonight. Kudos to Miami making it as far as they did as an 8 seed. Their series against Boston was outstanding.




Game 5: Denver came back and was just a bit too strong in the second half.

It became glaringly obvious in this series that the Heat need a true big man.

Another thing that was glaringly obvious throughout the playoffs was that the Heat were never outcoached.
Posted By: COLORADO_LUCKYDOG Re: NBA Finals - 06/13/23
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
It all ends tonight. Kudos to Miami making it as far as they did as an 8 seed. Their series against Boston was outstanding.




Game 5: Denver came back and was just a bit too strong in the second half.

It became glaringly obvious in this series that the Heat need a true big man.

Another thing that was glaringly obvious throughout the playoffs was that the Heat were never outcoached.

That's funny! Let's just cheat and foul like a mother fugger is supposed to be good coaching? Coach Spo is the most over rated coach in coaching history! Congrats to the Nuggets!
Posted By: local_dirt Re: NBA Finals - 06/13/23
Originally Posted by COLORADO_LUCKYDOG
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
It all ends tonight. Kudos to Miami making it as far as they did as an 8 seed. Their series against Boston was outstanding.




Game 5: Denver came back and was just a bit too strong in the second half.

It became glaringly obvious in this series that the Heat need a true big man.

Another thing that was glaringly obvious throughout the playoffs was that the Heat were never outcoached.

That's funny! Let's just cheat and foul like a mother fugger is supposed to be good coaching? Coach Spo is the most over rated coach in coaching history! Congrats to the Nuggets!




Sorry to see your knowledge of the game stops at homeboy.
Posted By: TheLastLemming76 Re: NBA Finals - 06/13/23
Originally Posted by COLORADO_LUCKYDOG
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
It all ends tonight. Kudos to Miami making it as far as they did as an 8 seed. Their series against Boston was outstanding.




Game 5: Denver came back and was just a bit too strong in the second half.

It became glaringly obvious in this series that the Heat need a true big man.

Another thing that was glaringly obvious throughout the playoffs was that the Heat were never outcoached.

That's funny! Let's just cheat and foul like a mother fugger is supposed to be good coaching? Coach Spo is the most over rated coach in coaching history! Congrats to the Nuggets!
All of its BS for ratings over any real athletic principles. MLB lowering the pitchers mound and umpiring changes, DH’s strictly to increase ratings, a glut of NFL changes to decrease bad ESPN pub, and games missed for marquee players, increased passing yards over rushing and perceived increased casual fans ratings. The NHL’s changed for views, the NBA and the three second rule. It’s ratings based reality TV. None of it has a thing to do with athletic integrity. The typical player collecting checks and trying to grow his brand cares less about winning games than you do.
Posted By: local_dirt Re: NBA Finals - 06/13/23
Originally Posted by COLORADO_LUCKYDOG
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
It all ends tonight. Kudos to Miami making it as far as they did as an 8 seed. Their series against Boston was outstanding.




Game 5: Denver came back and was just a bit too strong in the second half.

It became glaringly obvious in this series that the Heat need a true big man.

Another thing that was glaringly obvious throughout the playoffs was that the Heat were never outcoached.

That's funny! Let's just cheat and foul like a mother fugger is supposed to be good coaching? Coach Spo is the most over rated coach in coaching history! Congrats to the Nuggets!





Yeah. An 8 seed gets to the Finals. Obviously, poor coaching.
Posted By: smokepole Re: NBA Finals - 06/13/23
Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76
Originally Posted by COLORADO_LUCKYDOG
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
It all ends tonight. Kudos to Miami making it as far as they did as an 8 seed. Their series against Boston was outstanding.




Game 5: Denver came back and was just a bit too strong in the second half.

It became glaringly obvious in this series that the Heat need a true big man.

Another thing that was glaringly obvious throughout the playoffs was that the Heat were never outcoached.

That's funny! Let's just cheat and foul like a mother fugger is supposed to be good coaching? Coach Spo is the most over rated coach in coaching history! Congrats to the Nuggets!
All of it’s BS for ratings over any real athletic principles. The MBA lowering the pitchers mound and umpiring changes, DH’s strictly to increase ratings, a glut of NFL changes to decrease bad ESPN pub, games missed for marquee players, increased passing yards over rushing and perceived increased casual fans ratings. The NHL’s changed for views, the NBA and the three second rule. It’s ratings based reality TV. None of it has a thing to do with athletic integrity and the typical player collecting checks and improving his brand cares less about winning games than you do.

Wow, I bet you're a barrel of laughs at parties and such.
Posted By: TheLastLemming76 Re: NBA Finals - 06/13/23
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76
Originally Posted by COLORADO_LUCKYDOG
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
It all ends tonight. Kudos to Miami making it as far as they did as an 8 seed. Their series against Boston was outstanding.




Game 5: Denver came back and was just a bit too strong in the second half.

It became glaringly obvious in this series that the Heat need a true big man.

Another thing that was glaringly obvious throughout the playoffs was that the Heat were never outcoached.

That's funny! Let's just cheat and foul like a mother fugger is supposed to be good coaching? Coach Spo is the most over rated coach in coaching history! Congrats to the Nuggets!
All of it’s BS for ratings over any real athletic principles. The MBA lowering the pitchers mound and umpiring changes, DH’s strictly to increase ratings, a glut of NFL changes to decrease bad ESPN pub, games missed for marquee players, increased passing yards over rushing and perceived increased casual fans ratings. The NHL’s changed for views, the NBA and the three second rule. It’s ratings based reality TV. None of it has a thing to do with athletic integrity and the typical player collecting checks and improving his brand cares less about winning games than you do.

Wow, I bet you're a barrel of laughs at parties and such.
Tell me how I’m wrong.

It’s not about great athletics or players hellbent on winning a championship. It’s salary caps to expand leagues into soft markets and all about ratings and a 24/7 news cycle/controversy on ESPN and is basically another form of reality TV.

TV pro sports are about as real as the nightly news or professional wrestling. Radically change the rules or definitions until you get a desired outcome that’s expected to increase TV revenue. It’s orchestrated for ratings.

That’s fine but it’s an orchestrated reality TV show with rule changes based strictly on ratings draws.

Boomer’s…
Posted By: shrapnel Re: NBA Finals - 06/13/23
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76
Originally Posted by COLORADO_LUCKYDOG
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
It all ends tonight. Kudos to Miami making it as far as they did as an 8 seed. Their series against Boston was outstanding.




Game 5: Denver came back and was just a bit too strong in the second half.

It became glaringly obvious in this series that the Heat need a true big man.

Another thing that was glaringly obvious throughout the playoffs was that the Heat were never outcoached.

That's funny! Let's just cheat and foul like a mother fugger is supposed to be good coaching? Coach Spo is the most over rated coach in coaching history! Congrats to the Nuggets!
All of it’s BS for ratings over any real athletic principles. The MBA lowering the pitchers mound and umpiring changes, DH’s strictly to increase ratings, a glut of NFL changes to decrease bad ESPN pub, games missed for marquee players, increased passing yards over rushing and perceived increased casual fans ratings. The NHL’s changed for views, the NBA and the three second rule. It’s ratings based reality TV. None of it has a thing to do with athletic integrity and the typical player collecting checks and improving his brand cares less about winning games than you do.

Wow, I bet you're a barrel of laughs at parties and such.



Outstanding..
Posted By: smokepole Re: NBA Finals - 06/13/23
Yes, it is.
Posted By: cooperfan Re: NBA Finals - 06/13/23
Not all Michiganders feel the way LL does.

Most of us love sports
Posted By: Dess Re: NBA Finals - 06/13/23
Congratulations to a bunch of stiffs......Doug Moe
Posted By: smokepole Re: NBA Finals - 06/13/23
Originally Posted by cooperfan
Not all Michiganders feel the way LL does.

Most of us love sports


And capitalism, I presume?
Posted By: SupFoo Re: NBA Finals - 06/13/23
11 people shot downtown after Denver Nuggets win NBA Finals

https://kdvr.com/news/local/nba-finals-2023-11-people-shot-downtown-after-denver-nuggets-win/

Who could have seen this coming? LoL
Posted By: SKane Re: NBA Finals - 06/13/23
Originally Posted by COLORADO_LUCKYDOG
That's funny! Let's just cheat and foul like a mother fugger is supposed to be good coaching? Coach Spo is the most over rated coach in coaching history! Congrats to the Nuggets!


Now wait just a hot-szchittin' minute; an 8-seed makes it to the NBA finals (second time in history) and their coach is overrated?
Chile please.

Sooner or later, superior talent is gonna come out on top and they finally ran into the buzzsaw.
Posted By: PaulBarnard Re: NBA Finals - 06/13/23
Originally Posted by COLORADO_LUCKYDOG
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
It all ends tonight. Kudos to Miami making it as far as they did as an 8 seed. Their series against Boston was outstanding.




Game 5: Denver came back and was just a bit too strong in the second half.

It became glaringly obvious in this series that the Heat need a true big man.

Another thing that was glaringly obvious throughout the playoffs was that the Heat were never outcoached.

That's funny! Let's just cheat and foul like a mother fugger is supposed to be good coaching? Coach Spo is the most over rated coach in coaching history! Congrats to the Nuggets!

How many fouls per game did the Heat average this past regular season. How many did they average per game in the championship? Which team "cheated" and fouled the most during the regular season?
Posted By: smokepole Re: NBA Finals - 06/13/23
Originally Posted by TheLastLemming76
Tell me how I’m wrong.

It’s not about great athletics or players hellbent on winning a championship. It’s salary caps to expand leagues into soft markets and all about ratings and a 24/7 news cycle/controversy on ESPN and is basically another form of reality TV.

TV pro sports are about as real as the nightly news or professional wrestling. Radically change the rules or definitions until you get a desired outcome that’s expected to increase TV revenue. It’s orchestrated for ratings.

That’s fine but it’s an orchestrated reality TV show with rule changes based strictly on ratings draws.

Boomer’s…

Tell you how you're wrong? Gladly.

It is absolutely about superior athletes and players hell-bent on winning a championship. Jokic is a two-time MVP and should have been named MVP for the third straight year this year. That’s the definition of a great athlete. He basically put the team on his back and carried them to a championship, along with Jamal Murray who had a bad knee injury and had to sit out and re-hab for a year. Add in Murray’s legendary training regimen as a kid, that’s the definition of dedication and being hell-bent. Strike one.

Your observations on the changes to the games are nothing more than a description of capitalism at work. Pro sports are enormously popular and they generate a ton of revenue and profits. Do you think the owners and their business managers should just ignore that? What you interpret as pandering to the almighty dollar is just good business and giving the consumers what they’re asking for. No different than automobile manufacturers giving their consumers what they’re asking for. To do otherwise is just bad business and a recipe for bankruptcy. To assume that the purveyors of these enormously popular and profitable products are going to ignore their consumer’s preferences in deference to some loyalty to “the sport” is incredibly naïve and quaint. Do the automakers crank out the same vehicles that were popular "back in the day" because they're loyal motorheads? Strike two.

And your interpretation of the salary cap is ass-backwards. It was put in place for the same reason no one knows who Nikola Jokic is—small media markets. If Jokic was in New York or LA he’d be a household name. Small media markets can’t compete with big markets in generating revenue and paying salaries. Without a salary cap franchises in Denver and San Antonio couldn’t compete with New York and LA, so the salary cap creates parity and a level playing field. Nobody wants to see teams from the big media markets dominate because they can afford to pay more for the best players. Strike three.

And last, your comment about boomers is hilarious. I don’t watch pro sports much, but two of my sons in their 30’s are always talking them up and got me interested. And the rule changes in baseball and football aren’t the result of boomers losing interest in the old-school sports we grew up with, they’re the result of younger fans being bored with the games and not watching in droves. Adapt or go out of business. Apparently you favor the latter.
Posted By: smokepole Re: NBA Finals - 06/14/23
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by COLORADO_LUCKYDOG
That's funny! Let's just cheat and foul like a mother fugger is supposed to be good coaching? Coach Spo is the most over rated coach in coaching history! Congrats to the Nuggets!

How many fouls per game did the Heat average this past regular season. How many did they average per game in the championship? Which team "cheated" and fouled the most during the regular season?



Paul, in all seriousness, here are the answers to your questions, in black and white. These data points came from sports.stats.com, an online library of sports statistics:

1) Average number of fouls per game by the Miami Heat during the regular season: 15.3

2) Average number of fouls per game by Miami Heat in the NBA Finals against the
World Champion Denver Nuggets: 152

3) Average number of fouls per possession by Miami Heat in the NBA Finals against
NBA Finals Most Valuable Player Nikola Jokic: 14

4) Percentage of fouls actually called against Miami Heat in NBA Finals by the
Suck Ass Referees: 7.2%

So there you have it. Doesn't get much more obvious than this.
Posted By: Alamosa Re: NBA Finals - 06/14/23
Nuggets are the first NBA I've watched or enjoyed in years. Loved sweeping the Lakers.
Posted By: smokepole Re: NBA Finals - 06/14/23
Originally Posted by Alamosa
Loved sweeping the Lakers.

That was better than the finals. Almost.
Posted By: local_dirt Re: NBA Finals - 06/14/23
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by COLORADO_LUCKYDOG
That's funny! Let's just cheat and foul like a mother fugger is supposed to be good coaching? Coach Spo is the most over rated coach in coaching history! Congrats to the Nuggets!

How many fouls per game did the Heat average this past regular season. How many did they average per game in the championship? Which team "cheated" and fouled the most during the regular season?



Paul, in all seriousness, here are the answers to your questions, in black and white. These data points came from sports.stats.com, an online library of sports statistics:

1) Average number of fouls per game by the Miami Heat during the regular season: 15.3

2) Average number of fouls per game by Miami Heat in the NBA Finals against the
World Champion Denver Nuggets: 152

3) Average number of fouls per possession by Miami Heat in the NBA Finals against
NBA Finals Most Valuable Player Nikola Jokic: 14

4) Percentage of fouls actually called against Miami Heat in NBA Finals by the
Suck Ass Referees: 7.2%

So there you have it. Doesn't get much more obvious than this.




Simple fact. If someone is in the paint with the ball heading for an easy layup, you foul them. Period.
Posted By: smokepole Re: NBA Finals - 06/14/23
That's true. My reply to Captain Paul was not serious.
Posted By: PaulBarnard Re: NBA Finals - 06/14/23
Originally Posted by COLORADO_LUCKYDOG
That's funny! Let's just cheat and foul like a mother fugger is supposed to be good coaching? Coach Spo is the most over rated coach in coaching history! Congrats to the Nuggets!



Simple fact is that the Nuggets committed more fouls (cheating) than the Heat during the regular season. During the finals, the Heat averaged one foul per game more than they did during the regular season. Hardly getting their thug on.

As to Coach Spoelstra, his record is clearly better than Malone's.


.589 record vs. .546


Made playoffs in 12 of 15 seasons vs 5 of 10 seasons


Made Finals in 6 of 15 seasons vs 1 of 10


Won championship in 2 of 15 seasons vs 1 of 10


Finished 1st in division 9 of 15 years vs 3 of 10 seasons
Posted By: smokepole Re: NBA Finals - 06/14/23
Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
As to Coach Spoelstra, his record is clearly better than Malone's.

.589 record vs. .546

Made playoffs in 12 of 15 seasons vs 5 of 10 seasons

Made Finals in 6 of 15 seasons vs 1 of 10

Won championship in 2 of 15 seasons vs 1 of 10

Finished 1st in division 9 of 15 years vs 3 of 10 seasons

I've heard he's an avid cyclist and looks smashing in Spandex.

Coincidence?
Posted By: muleshoe Re: NBA Finals - 06/14/23
Haha
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