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Posted By: Valsdad Rhode v Bonta, CA ammo case - 01/31/24
Good news so far. St Benitez comes through again. CA may appeal, but given Bruen I don't think Benitez's ruling will get overturned. I may be able to order some ammo from Mackay now!

https://crpa.org/news/blogs/breaking-huge-win-in-rhode-v-bonta/

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California gun owners got great news today when Judge Roger Benitez announced he is upholding CRPA’s challenges in Rhode v. Bonta. This case seeks to overturn the state’s restrictions on ammunition purchases.

Rhode v. Bonta (challenging ammunition restrictions) has worked its way up and down the court system for eight years. Along with Duncan v. Bonta, these cases were both at the Ninth Circuit level last year, awaiting the much anticipated Bruen decision by the Supreme Court. Once that decision came down, Rhode and Duncan were both remanded back to the lower courts for supplemental briefing. Our friends at Ammunition Depot joined with CRPA and other individual and company plaintiffs to support this case through all of the legal twists and turns.

Named plaintiff and Olympic champion Kim Rhode celebrated the announcement: “Like I initially stated to Gavin Newsom, “always happy to teach you about the guns and ammo you don’t trust me to own.” I’m happy that the courts agreed with me. Many generations of hunters, outdoorsmen and Olympians will be able to train and pass on the shooting heritage for many generations. I will never stop fighting for the 2nd Amendment and what I believe to be right and the court’s ruling supports that.

Both cases were intensely watched by Second Amendment advocates buoyed by the announcement of the Bruen decision last summer. Today’s ruling, while the state will most certainly appeal them, represent continued progress in rolling back decades of attacks on the rights of lawful gun owners.

“Today’s ruling represents continued affirmation that the Bruen decision, and Heller before that, represent a sea change in the way courts must look at these absurdly restrictive laws,” stated CRPA President & General Counsel Chuck Michel. “Sure, the state will appeal, but the clock is ticking on laws that violate the Constitution.”

Lead attorney for the Rhode case, Sean Brady of Michel & Associates, noted, “this particular background check system, instituted by California law, was so egregious and over the top that Judge Benitez never faltered in his determinations from his earlier rulings which gave gun owners a win. Today’s ruling reiterates that California’s restrictions on ammunition purchasing are unconstitutional under yet another ruling in our favor and one that is in line with the Supreme Court opinion in Bruen.”

CRPA is proud to stand side by side with plaintiffs like Ammunition Depot, Sam’s Shooter’s Emporium, and Able Ammo in this major challenge to unconstitutional laws in California. It takes this type of collaboration to bring about big wins for gun owners.

Stay tuned to CRPA News, emails, and social feeds for continued updates as our legal team breaks down the rulings and provides a roadmap for what lies ahead. We will also have more information as Judge Benitez’s decision is analyzed, and we can determine what happens next for these cases and your rights as gun owners.

In the meantime, you can give to cases like these, DONATE, to help us keep the wins coming! We are NOT DONE YET!
Saw that, great to hear. When will it go in effect? When/can will we be able to go back to "normal" ?
I was wondering the same Craigster. All I know is what's in that notification.

I imagine Gavin et al will appeal the decision................again............and hope to have an en banc panel hear it in the 9th. But seeing as how it was sent back to Benitez in light of Bruen, I doubt they'll have much success. Delaying tactics is all they have. Right up to SCOTUS if they have to.

I'm wondering if we have an opening right now, as it seems the injunction against the law stands.
Well, I think these folks were one of the plaintiffs and they say the store is open

https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/blog/california-can-order-ammo-online-again-no-background-checks

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California Can Order Ammo Online Again, No Background Checks!

Californians!

A decision that directly affects your ability to order ammunition to your homes is here! Ammunition Depot is very proud to be directly involved in this effort as a plaintiff in the lawsuit against California.

The Honorable Judge Roger T. Benitez has made his decision known, and we are celebrating a favorable outcome for all our friends and customers in California.

Since the decision has gone our way, Californians are now able to shop online for ammunition like the rest of FREE AMERICA and have it shipped to their homes instead of the local gunshop or FFL for transfer.

For many, many years now, California and other states have restricted the purchase of ammunition online, preventing Americans from having it delivered to their door and forcing them to go to stores to transfer ammunition the way firearms are transferred.

This process was debilitating, slow, and tedious compared to shopping online and having your ammo shipment delivered directly to your door. Now, California has the same freedom and convenience that the rest of free America enjoys!

Take advantage of this opportunity, as this is not set in stone! Make your purchase today, right now, and get ahead of the rush! Shipment will be delivered directly to your door.

In April 2020, when Judge Benitez announced his ruling that allowed the online purchase and home delivery of ammunition products in CA, the window of opportunity closed within two days!

Do not wait; we may see a similarly short timeline that stops California-bound orders placed just 48 hours from now!

We hope that our friends and customers in CA can enjoy online ammo purchasing freedoms for years to come, of course, but there are powerful forces that can overturn the good Judge Benitez’s decision quickly.

Celebrate your Second Amendment rights, California! Purchase your training and defensive ammunition from the convenience of your couch, and expect delivery to your doorstep!

Ammunition Depot has fought this battle for California alongside trusted industry partners for years and is incredibly proud to see the result today.

For additional details, check out the recently published PR Newswire Press Release Article outlining how Ammunition Depot and Others Declare Legal Victory for California Gun-Owners.
This is like watching a tennis match, the ball being Rhode v Bonta. I wonder how many more appeals remain. At least in poker, at some point somebody has to show some cards. About the only way to figure out this thing is to see who starts accepting California orders?
I'm guessing that ammunitiondepot place is accepting orders now according to their website message.

I'm going to check a couple of others.
Thanks Geno...I thought you may have died in the "atmospheric river". In the old days it was forecast language like, "periods of rain, windy".
Originally Posted by flintlocke
Thanks Geno...I thought you may have died in the "atmospheric river". In the old days it was forecast language like, "periods of rain, windy".
Ha,

in the old days I remember it was called the Pineapple Express. But, they no longer want to offend pineapples I guess.

We are just getting the stronger winds, not rain to speak of, and not really expecting much on this side of the Cascades. Hopefully the Warners get more snow as it's gotten quite thin the last week or so.
i assume the NRA funded this lawsuit?
Originally Posted by gitem_12
i assume the NRA funded this lawsuit?
I think they "helped out" but it's mostly a CRPA (CA Rifle and Pistol Assoc) case along with whatever the plaintiffs kicked in and donations from others. Sometimes in these cases NRA (ILA I think), SAF, GOA and some others file amicus briefs too, which means they paid for their lawyers to write them.
https://fenixammo.com/ Is offering direct shipping to California residents, get it while you can!
As is:

https://www.tacticalshit.com/
Originally Posted by Woodsman1991
https://fenixammo.com/ Is offering direct shipping to California residents, get it while you can!

$400 for 1k rounds of 9mm fmj? Lmao, I'll pass.
Originally Posted by hardway
Originally Posted by Woodsman1991
https://fenixammo.com/ Is offering direct shipping to California residents, get it while you can!

$400 for 1k rounds of 9mm fmj? Lmao, I'll pass.
$285 per case more to your liking? From one of the plaintiffs in the case.

https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/w9mm50-winchester-target-practice-9mm-115-grain-fmj.html
Originally Posted by gitem_12
i assume the NRA funded this lawsuit?
Sarcasm?
Posted By: cvmw Re: Rhode v Bonta, CA ammo case - 02/01/24
Originally Posted by Craigster
Saw that, great to hear. When will it go in effect? When/can will we be able to go back to "normal" ?

It will never go back to normal, (whatever that is,) it will be a perpetual fight.
Originally Posted by Woodsman1991
https://fenixammo.com/ Is offering direct shipping to California residents, get it while you can!
Fenix ammo has always been a ripoff. I can't wait to see their prices now..fuggin grifters
Bonta is a complete piece of S H I T.
Cut from the same mold as Newscum.
Just made a test run on some pistol ammo.
Everything went well with the purchase so far.

Ammunition Depot, online purchase.
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by gitem_12
i assume the NRA funded this lawsuit?
I think they "helped out" but it's mostly a CRPA (CA Rifle and Pistol Assoc) case along with whatever the plaintiffs kicked in and donations from others. Sometimes in these cases NRA (ILA I think), SAF, GOA and some others file amicus briefs too, which means they paid for their lawyers to write them.

my statement was a sort of sarcastic. and pointed to all the folks who still think the NRA is a worthy group that "fights" for our rights. filing amicus briefs is not fighting. is akin to spouting here, here after a speech on a bully pulpit.
Good news for all you Cali shooters!
According to Mrgunsandgear, this was overturned, not stayed, so the store is open. He hinted that anyone in the market get their order in before the ruling is appealed.

I wonder if the express companies will stall on shipping, given their usual anti stance. For anyone with the time, might still be worthwhile to buy in person either locally or across the line in America someplace. Cash, naturally.
Originally Posted by Pappy348
According to Mrgunsandgear, this was overturned, not stayed, so the store is open. He hinted that anyone in the market get their order in before the ruling is appealed.

I wonder if the express companies will stall on shipping, given their usual anti stance. For anyone with the time, might still be worthwhile to buy in person either locally or across the line in America someplace. Cash, naturally.
Not sure about "overturned", but it is permanently enjoined against enforcement. At least in the Judge's words (My bold)

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Accordingly, the Court permanently enjoins the State of California from enforcing
the ammunition sales background check provisions found in California Penal Code §§
30352 and 30370(a) through (e), and the ammunition anti-importation provisions found
40 Id. at 24.

Case 3:18-cv-00802-BEN-JLB Document 105 Filed 01/30/24 PageID.3457 Page 31 of 32
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18-cv-802-BEN (JLB)

in §§ 30312(a) and (b) and 30314(a). Criminal enforcement of California Penal Code §§
30312(d), 30314(c), and 30365(a) by the Attorney General and all other law enforcement
defendants is permanently enjoined.
Therefore, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that:
1. Defendant Attorney General Rob Bonta, and his officers, agents, servants,
employees, and attorneys, and those persons in active concert or participation
with him, and those duly sworn state peace officers and federal law enforcement
officers who gain knowledge of this injunction order or know of the existence of
this injunction order, are enjoined from implementing or enforcing the
ammunition sales background check provisions found in California Penal Code
§§ 30352 and 30370(a) through (e), and the ammunition anti-importation
provisions found in §§ 30312(a) and (b) and 30314(a), as well as the criminal
enforcement of California Penal Code §§ 30312(d), 30314(c), and 30365(a).
2. Defendant Attorney General Rob Bonta shall provide forthwith, by personal
service or otherwise, actual notice of this order to all law enforcement personnel
who are responsible for implementing or enforcing the enjoined statutes.
DATED: January 30, 2024 _________________________________
HON. ROGER T. BENITEZ
United States District Judge

Here's the whole decision, a well written one if I say so myself

https://crpa.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/24.01.31-Rhode-Decision.pdf
Originally Posted by gitem_12
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by gitem_12
i assume the NRA funded this lawsuit?
I think they "helped out" but it's mostly a CRPA (CA Rifle and Pistol Assoc) case along with whatever the plaintiffs kicked in and donations from others. Sometimes in these cases NRA (ILA I think), SAF, GOA and some others file amicus briefs too, which means they paid for their lawyers to write them.

my statement was a sort of sarcastic. and pointed to all the folks who still think the NRA is a worthy group that "fights" for our rights. filing amicus briefs is not fighting. is akin to spouting here, here after a speech on a bully pulpit.

They definitely don't do any heavy lifting but I guess we need them around to be the face of the bad guys. Blaming the NRA lets the real patriots get schidt done,
Originally Posted by gitem_12
Originally Posted by Valsdad
Originally Posted by gitem_12
i assume the NRA funded this lawsuit?
I think they "helped out" but it's mostly a CRPA (CA Rifle and Pistol Assoc) case along with whatever the plaintiffs kicked in and donations from others. Sometimes in these cases NRA (ILA I think), SAF, GOA and some others file amicus briefs too, which means they paid for their lawyers to write them.

my statement was a sort of sarcastic. and pointed to all the folks who still think the NRA is a worthy group that "fights" for our rights. filing amicus briefs is not fighting. is akin to spouting here, here after a speech on a bully pulpit.
Aha,

I wondered but wasn't sure as some folks outside Cali don't follow our cases that much.
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Originally Posted by FatCity67
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And that's a really good thing, eh brother!
Amen amigo!

Had a whole paragraph written up and said fuggit my boy Geno takin care of it lets git some GW in here.
Fugging asshóles.
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Fugging asshóles.

Worse

Traitorous Enemies.
Originally Posted by FatCity67
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Fugging asshóles.

Worse

Traitorous DICKHEAD Enemies.

wink
Posted By: gunzo Re: Rhode v Bonta, CA ammo case - 02/02/24
Congrats guys! Get what ya can while ya can. We all know it ain't over. Not just in Ca. but all over. The attacks keep coming.
We opened up shipping the minute that the decision was announced, we’ve been balls to the wall since then!

Our editor wrote a good article on it too.

California ammo rush
https://hdtac.com/california-order-ammo-online/
Originally Posted by Raeford
Good news for all you Cali shooters!

Yep, and probably the rest of us too.
Ammunition Depot is shipping to CA now also. I hope Mackay joins in.
Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Raeford
Good news for all you Cali shooters!

Yep, and probably the rest of us too.
Let's just hope the "roster" and the mag, and the "assault weapons" cases go next.

Bruen is certainly looking to be a game changer and we have who to thank for that??? Oh yeah, that guy the NeverTrumpers won't vote for, they'd rather sit home.
Originally Posted by FatCity67
Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Fugging asshóles.

Worse

Traitorous Enemies.

That ain't no schit.
Don't forget the super effective "10 day waiting period" 🤬
Originally Posted by hardway
Don't forget the super effective "10 day waiting period" 🤬
That's been around since I was a kid. It's so effective I've hardly seen a murder in Cali since. whistle

It's not very logical is it, especially for folks like us that already own a firearm or ???.

If only the US Congress could get a Constitutional Carry law passed too, wouldn't that be a hoot.
Originally Posted by fortymile
Ammunition Depot is shipping to CA now also. I hope Mackay joins in.
There were several companies who saw the bigger picture, stepped up to the plate and continued to ship ammo to CA, while many others were quick to give the middle finger to fellow shooters and sportsmen.

Each business is certainly allowed to set their own rules but I will never send a penny to the people who were so quick to side with and support the enemy.
I hope you guys have cases delivered over the coming weeks.
Originally Posted by Certifiable
Originally Posted by fortymile
Ammunition Depot is shipping to CA now also. I hope Mackay joins in.
There were several companies who saw the bigger picture, stepped up to the plate and continued to ship ammo to CA, while many others were quick to give the middle finger to fellow shooters and sportsmen.

Each business is certainly allowed to set their own rules but I will never send a penny to the people who were so quick to side with and support the enemy.

I feel you brother. However knowing where we live we'd starve, be homeless and walking with no clothes on if we applied that to everything else in our lives.

I say find the best you can for the best price and use whatever money you save to fight these sonsabisches however you see fit.
decent plan there Fats!

And I just spent a chunk of retirement funds. grin
Among many other things, I believe strongly in reparations...

Companies like Les Baer spent huge sums to certify a few models to get past the CA laws. EVERY nickel they wasted needs to be repaid with interest!

Every nickel wasted challenging every bullshit CA stretch on gun control needs to be repaid, with interest.

Every minute wasted behind bars by a victim of CA overreach needs to be matched by an order of magnitude by the POS legislator/traitors bringing this treasonous garbage.


And I could go on...
Sitka I like that idea… just might discourage the next wave of frivolous BS
Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Among many other things, I believe strongly in reparations...

Companies like Les Baer spent huge sums to certify a few models to get past the CA laws. EVERY nickel they wasted needs to be repaid with interest!

Every nickel wasted challenging every bullshit CA stretch on gun control needs to be repaid, with interest.

Every minute wasted behind bars by a victim of CA overreach needs to be matched by an order of magnitude by the POS legislator/traitors bringing this treasonous garbage.


And I could go on...
Originally Posted by Certifiable
Sitka I like that idea… just might discourage the next wave of frivolous BS
Unfortunately, the ones responsible will likely claim some sort of "qualified immunity" BS, or just pass the cost on to the taxpayers.

I do believe a case can be made for the State to cover ALL the legal fees the plaintiffs paid out in fighting laws deemed Unconstitutional. Then the taxpayers might just decide to tell the Gov, AG, and the State DOJ to knock off all the appeal crap.
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