A pound, for IMR 4350 @ Sportsman's WH, today.

Insane.

Yep. Glad I added several small case rifles to the mix several years ago with the idea of powder conservation. Even a .308 size case is going to get too expensive to load.

Must be made from meat.

You forgot the tax,

So 80 bucks.

Nope. Not doing it.

Someone is gonna buy it.

So, what do you all think of Bidenomics today ??

kwg

My cut-off point was $60 out the door.

I'll go back to shooting like i did in my pre-reloading days- 20-30 rounds per year.

I have enough supplies to check zero & hunt 'til i'm 150 years old.

Although the suckers will keep the prices high ,, congrats -- hint...

FJB

Academy had H4350 for $74.99 a pound too.I'm glad I didn't need any.

Let 'em eat it...

I'd like to think that way,but the reality is, foreign companies are taking control of the ammunition market.Endless wars and long term US government and NATO contracts are making it very hard on the public consumer of those products.

https://shoot-on.com/update-czech-company-to-purchase-major-american-ammunition-brands/

https://www.coltczgroup.com/en/medi...-small-caliber-ammunition-sellier-bellot

https://magtechammunition.com/about-us/

You'll own nothing and be happy.

That’s what I said when it hit $40.

More truth than poetry, you'll own nothing...
An elderly single woman sold her house and land to my kids about 6 yrs ago...moved to an apartment in Seattle to be near family..she got in to the apt for 800 per month...she is now paying 2200 a month. Her kids checked to see who owned the apt building, Bain Capital. Further reading, they found private equity firms now own 31% of residential real estate in the US...projected to rise to 70% in 2035. The PE firms can afford to pay any amount over market, and then jack the rent to cover the investment. And don't forget, as everything goes up, so does appraised value of your property...hence up goes your property tax.
Being conservatives, we like capitalism, but is there a limit, a point at which the Masai bleed the cow so often, so heavily, it dies?

No thanks

Suddenly pulling your britches up to your Boomer armpits and daring to step foot into Walmart for a $32 box of Winchester centerfire ammo doesn’t seem so awful.

Chit bruh...

I'm driving the ol' JD back to the stack making orders.

Another couple cases of 9 em em on the way!

Consider the political climate in this country, and tell me this crap isn’t being orchestrated!
Our government has basically declared war on her citizens. Has been waging it for years.
They’re importing 2nd and 3rd world immigrants illegally, planting them in places in order to swing elections. They have caused rapid economic inflation, making your $ worth less by the month.
They are phasing out the use of fossil fuels in the name of “climate change”, even though we could probably be energy independent with proper management. Over half the population is now considered “a threat to democracy”!
Tell me this is just accidental. Tell me I am just being paranoid.
I don’t care if you are a believer or not, but it is impossible for anyone who has read part of the Bible and not see the hand of evil in this.
Reon

If I needed it, I’d buy it, but I don’t, so I won’t.

At some point, things will probably stabilize, but we may not like where that point is. Then is when the big decision must be taken; schitt or get off the pot…..

Ordinarily, when sales drop, eventually prices follow, or at least some retailers will close stuff out, creating buying opportunities, but I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting on bargain powder. Ammo is different, at least the common, basic stuff like .223. Slummy’s Whatamart has a lot of buying power, so they can offer good prices, but they don’t see much of me since The Plague.

Think of it this way…that’s only a penny per grain….😁🤬

Come to think of it, the last time I bought any factory ammo anywhere was at Walmart. I picked up a couple of boxes of 150 gr. Power Points. I always test a new rifle with some factory to take measurements and get an accuracy level. Once I have that it's reloads only. This got me to thinking, when in hell did I buy that .270??? It must have been around 2008 as I used it in 2009 for an antelope hunt.

Once I started reloading my ammo, I used my reloads to take my deer and never bothered with factory ammo. Much of my shooting was with the 30-30 or 30-06 and later with the 30-06 almost exclusively. Brass was from a large supply of WW2 war surplus 30-06. Mostly LC 42 and LC43. I still have a large supply of that milsurp brass plus about 200+ LC52 IIRC.
PJ

Combine that with the fact that Hodgdon has sole distribution of that product, ie. a monopoly, and suddenly you have $80 a lb powder.

I’m glad I’m sitting on 3 - 8# bottles of it. It should last until I take my dirt nap. They were ~$300 each a few years ago. I’m betting we see $100 a lb for some powders like this and Retumbo next year.

Hodgdon has rip-off down to a science.

Last December I bought a keg of H4350, with shipping it was $48.75/lb delivered to my front door.

Yep. Real estate is a funny deal and has become an investment vehicle for many.

Those magnums that eat up 70-80 grains of power per shot suddenly don’t seem so awesome anymore.

42gr and a 143 makes a lot of sense.

Unfortunately you're 100% correct. I call those folks FOMO (fear of missing out) HOMOs.

Or, maybe, "people who like to shoot and will continue to do so".

I believe you are 100% correct, I fear the only thing that can save America today, is Divine intervention, we’ve been so blessed at least 3 times in our history, the big question today is have we ,as a people, forsaken the lord to the extent he no longer feels us worthy.

A fool and his money is easily separated.

I'd agree, except I wouldn't say suddenly. In my opinion a large majority of magnums have been quietly sitting in gun cabinets since 2020. The bigger they are the more they've been sitting.

True. Same goes for burning up alternative propellants you might already have on hand.

Depends on how much you like to shoot. $32 ammo is the smaller case capacity stuff.

Even at today's outlandish prices.......$80 a lb powder, $45 a box C&C bullets, and $100 a brick primers. I could load 30-06 for $24 a box at those prices.

57 grains of IMR 4350 & a 165 gr bullet & a 10 cent primer. Something like a 308 or 7mm-08 could be loaded at those prices for $21 a box.

I'm shooting powder, bullets and primers for under half that, but someday I'll have to buy powder if I want to keep shooting.

The Clam Speaks

Sure does make it difficult for the younger college age kids to get into reloading for the fun and enjoyment of shooting, reloading, testing results. When will the madness end.


FJB and his inflation, wars, etc.

Was in Cabela's this morning and it was $64.99. I guess I should have bought a pound.

$65 @ Cabela's
$75 @ SW

Who's screwing who ?

We're all getting screwed.

Thank you Hodgdon.

Who sells more powder overall and gets better pricing from Hodgdon?

Just checked Midwayusa and you can get H4350(8lbs) delivered to your front for $54/per pound.

I rarely buy ammo from Midway but evidentially that is not a bad price on powder.

S/h included ?

Yep....


Order

Product Total$394.21

Est. Shipping$15.50

Hazmat Charge$22.99

Tax

Calculated in Checkout

Total$433.00





433/8=54.125

Hell that ain’t bad

Here's a deal...
(but I don't need another fricken 9 em em!)


https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1026689057?pid=819240

because that was the old price that everybody said was too high to pay so they weren't going to buy it...

good friend of mine that has lots of weapons and pistolios that is his preferred carry weapon..

I have the full size VP9 and it fits like a glove.
(hijack over)



When I started reloading(less than 20 years ago), powder was $20/lb...

Damn them! So they're the ones printing digital dollars out of wonder lust and blowing hundreds of billions $$$$ on endless wars?

Thats one of their goals....

Crash, I can't argue with your point...but, American history shows case after case of big business, whether a monopoly of just a few businesses...historically collude to fix prices. In the old days it was railroads, steel, petroleum...anti trust laws were passed...but business found a way around the laws in short order.
Right now, your retail beef price is fixed at a stupid high, not by Sam Olson, by the big 3 packers...in the not too distant past it was coffee, sugar, they even tried it with eggs. The dirty little secret is once a very few mega corporations control a product/market item, pure capitalism doesn't work as advertised. Check your wife's diamond ring...DeBeers set the price of that stone. The big players set the rules...laws or no laws.

I got an 8 lb. jug of H4350 from Grice last week $330.+19.80 sales tax =349.80 or $43.73 / lb. Picked up in store.

I feel picked on too. My powder collection is quite valuable apparently. It's shocking. I don't reload much at all anymore. Competition shooting has been priced out of reason by primers alone. That's a shame for those who never had a chance to enjoy it. But meat, avocados, gasoline, lumber? What isn't overpriced? Paranoia tells me the powers against guns will make ammo and components prices and availability so restricted guns will become nothing but clubs. But I'm not entirely rational always.... I just bought a case of 10mm at about 45 cents and didn't feel too beat up about it. A little guilty maybe. American wages or salaries can't be raised enough to match rising prices the massive debt is causing. $60,000 pickups to look ridiculous. Something catastrophic has to blow. Even if everybody ends up on food stamps, the monetization scam will fall apart completely. China's not interested in playing the game anymore.

Spot on!

Glad I stocked up during the Clinton years. It's hard to believe those were the good old days.

How much did you buy and how is it you haven't shot it up in the 23 years since he left office?

Local gunshop said another 20% increase is right around the corner according to their supplier.
Highest price today- $68 & change + tax.
Owner said it might reach $100/lb. . .

Welcome to Biden's America.

2020 when things were starting to get dicey on component supplies, I paid $179.00 for a 8 lb jug of IMR 4350. Just a little over $22 a lb.

2022 at the same shop it had jumped to $279.00.

Last I checked that shop had it for $389.00

Now Midway has a 8 lb jug of IMR 4350 for $472.99 or $59.12 a lb. Making the H4350 @ $394.00 look like a deal. Man are we being duped by the insidious disease of inflation.

A local shop has retumbo for $54/pound. I was surprised to see it still on the shelf.

Bb

It is good thing that reloading components, ammo in large quantities are not a necessities. Few boxes of ammo, some true necessities plus good friends network should suffice in time of crisys.

Scheels has 8 lbs of IMR 4350 for $399.49