https://apnews.com/article/mexico-f...cartels-6e7a78ff41c895b4e10930463f24e9fbMexico’s president said Friday he won’t fight Mexican drug cartels on U.S. orders, in the clearest explanation yet of his refusal to confront the gangs.
Over the years, President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has laid out various justifications for his “hugs, not bullets” policy of avoiding clashes with the cartels. In the past he has said “you cannot fight violence with violence,” and on other occasions he has argued the government has to address “the causes” of drug cartel violence, ascribing them to poverty or a lack of opportunities.
Which simply means he is being paid off to do nothing probably a high school buddy of bidens another pos.
If we had a leader with balls, they would fix Mexico's azz real quick. They need us way more than we need them.
If we had a leader with balls, they would fix Mexico's azz real quick. They need us way more than we need them.
The same financial pressure we are failing with so far on Russia would work real quick with Mexico.
mexico is America's most existential enemy. Long past time to go to war.
https://apnews.com/article/mexico-f...cartels-6e7a78ff41c895b4e10930463f24e9fbMexico’s president said Friday he won’t fight Mexican drug cartels on U.S. orders, in the clearest explanation yet of his refusal to confront the gangs.
Over the years, President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has laid out various justifications for his “hugs, not bullets” policy of avoiding clashes with the cartels. In the past he has said “you cannot fight violence with violence,” and on other occasions he has argued the government has to address “the causes” of drug cartel violence, ascribing them to poverty or a lack of opportunities.
Right. It's better to send them flowers and chocolates. The cause of cartel violence is poverty, in spite of the fact that the cartels are worth billions. Is there any question that Obrador is being paid by the cartels?
The key to understanding the Mexican culture...everybody and everything has a price. Everything is for sale. The country has been chaos since 1807 when Spain pulled out, the French tried it and pulled out, the Germans tried it and pulled out in short order. Ungovernable. Even Shell and Standard oil got sent home without a peso for their property in 1938, that's saying something.
“you cannot fight violence with violence,”
Bullfugginshit you can't.
You'd better.
Is there any question that Obrador is being paid by the cartels?
And that brings up a question about our president. Does it not?
Is there any question that Obrador is being paid by the cartels?
And that brings up a question about our president. Does it not?
That's a fact!
Mexico has been and forever will be our adversary, and, will always be trying to take back Texas and California. We should have annexed them a hundred years ago.
For present day, whats the old saying..."tall fences make for good neighbors"?
Is there any question that Obrador is being paid by the cartels?
And that brings up a question about our president. Does it not?
For sure, that.
Weakness encourages chaos. Cartels just about own Mexico and have lots of influence here. Money talks. Of course the Mexican govt isn’t gonna buck their handlers and benefactors.
Cartels use Don Corleone negotiation techniques. You agree or they kill ya. They make you a deal you can’t refuse.
They only understand strength. We need to elect a strong president or we in even deeper doodoo.
DF
mexico is America's most existential enemy. Long past time to go to war.
Democrats are America's biggest threat!
Cutting off all funds and money transactions going across the border would be a good start.
Uhhh....where would we get our drugs from then?
Also.....the make believe stock market would take a hit....so that's not gonna work.
Probably because he cannot beat the cartels.
We need a wall and secure border, and we need it now.
Cutting off all funds and money transactions going across the border would be a good start.
This. Start by taxing remittances at 25% and if that doesn’t work pull out of nafta and impose tariffs commiserate with what we did with china. China just routes all their crap through Mexico now anyway to avoid our tariffs so let’s get stick it to the reds in either scenario plus is makes mfg look that much less appealing to go to Mexico.
If we’re not going to physically blow up these 3rd world cesspools for what they’ve done to us, can’t we at least play in other ways like we’re as smart as they are, ffs?!?
To Jim’s point about the stock market, yes…it would throw things into a tizzy but would it actually be any worse than what we’re heading for now? Pay now or pay later.
Cutting off all funds and money transactions going across the border would be a good start.
This. Start by taxing remittances at 25% and if that doesn’t work pull out of nafta and impose tariffs commiserate with what we did with china. China just routes all their crap through Mexico now anyway to avoid our tariffs so let’s get stick it to the reds in either scenario plus is makes mfg look that much less appealing to go to Mexico.
If we’re not going to physically blow up these 3rd world cesspools for what they’ve done to us, can’t we at least play in other ways like we’re as smart as they are, ffs?!?
To Jim’s point about the stock market, yes…it would throw things into a tizzy but would it actually be any worse than what we’re heading for now? Pay now or pay later.
It’s all academic until WE get rid of the POS president and congress we have now!!!
I hope the second thing Trump does if he gets elected. Lock down the border, roll troops across the Rio Grand, take names and kick ass. Clean out the cartels. Gut that sorry ass country for everything it’s worth. Then head North and do the same thing to Canada.
Putin does it and the world just watches, why can’t the US do it.
How else do you fight violence, other than with more violent violence?
Walk softly, but.....
It's been reported that the cartels are making $13 billion+/year smuggling illegals across the border.....not including the money made off drug smuggling.
How many politicians are getting paid off with this money, to do nothing?
Meaning......our politicians in DC???
Free, untraceable, undeclared cash money.....with no ties to any whistle blowers. Sounds like a perfect scenario for corrupt politicians...
Andy3
I hope the second thing Trump does if he gets elected. Lock down the border, roll troops across the Rio Grand, take names and kick ass. Clean out the cartels. Gut that sorry ass country for everything it’s worth. Then head North and do the same thing to Canada.
Putin does it and the world just watches, why can’t the US do it.
Yikes
In retrospect I think it would have been wise to include everything on this continent all the way down to what is now the Panama Canal in the Monroe Doctrine. Then Jimmy peanut farmer would not have been able to give it away.
Obregon is no fool. He knows it is healthier to get along with his bosses than to confront them. The cartels run the country. Obregon is just a figurehead like our FJB.
In retrospect I think it would have been wise to include everything on this continent all the way down to what is now the Panama Canal in the Monroe Doctrine. Then Jimmy peanut farmer would not have been able to give it away.
Obregon is no fool. He knows it is healthier to get along with his bosses than to confront them. The cartels run the country. Obregon is just a figurehead like our FJB.
Yeah, he likes staying alive. Get along, go along beats waking up dead.
Mexico may be too far gone to get back to where they were decades ago. They’ve always been corrupt, don’t think they were as bought and paid for as now.
DF
https://apnews.com/article/mexico-f...cartels-6e7a78ff41c895b4e10930463f24e9fbMexico’s president said Friday he won’t fight Mexican drug cartels on U.S. orders, in the clearest explanation yet of his refusal to confront the gangs.
Over the years, President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has laid out various justifications for his “hugs, not bullets” policy of avoiding clashes with the cartels. In the past he has said “you cannot fight violence with violence,” and on other occasions he has argued the government has to address “the causes” of drug cartel violence, ascribing them to poverty or a lack of opportunities.
Right. It's better to send them flowers and chocolates. The cause of cartel violence is poverty, in spite of the fact that the cartels are worth billions. Is there any question that Obrador is being paid by the cartels?
None.
Mexico has been and forever will be our adversary, and, will always be trying to take back Texas and California. We should have annexed them a hundred years ago.
For present day, whats the old saying..."tall fences make for good neighbors"?
If we had annexed them just think how many Mexicans we would have now.
Edited to add I completely agree with the tall fences and even better with high voltage.
Why is .mil fighting in skirmishes in Afreaka, the ME, and parts of Asia when the real enemy is on our southern border? It would be a helluva lot cheaper to throw a war party right on the border.
There are a number of reasons why that guy will not stop the cartels, some explained above by previous posters. All the more reason why the U.S should tell him to take a week or two of vacation somewhere far away while someone else goes in there and quickly takes care of the mess.
In retrospect I think it would have been wise to include everything on this continent all the way down to what is now the Panama Canal in the Monroe Doctrine. Then Jimmy peanut farmer would not have been able to give it away.
Obregon is no fool. He knows it is healthier to get along with his bosses than to confront them. The cartels run the country. Obregon is just a figurehead like our FJB.
Pan-America, Panama to Alaska. Could be THE world ultrapower with the greatest of everything. But that many disparate people would never get along.
Putin does it and the world just watches, why can’t the US do it.
The fear of being called racist, totalitarian and many more names.
Greedy politicians that benefit from the current chaos.
mexico is America's most existential enemy. Long past time to go to war.
Democrats are America's biggest threat!
Republicans are a close second.
I spent 7-8 years chasing whitetail deer in Mexico. About 3 weeks a year or more across the border, not counting weekends. Lived and worked quite a few years in South Texas.
I understand Mexican culture fairly well. Very very few truly honest Mexican Nationals, just not in their culture. Regardless of financial status. Not even honest with each other. They have a lot hate for gringo’s.
My bet is Trump will fix a big portion of the Mexico problem on day one.
I think what "we up here" fail to comprehend and they do not want to admit is . . .
The cartels control things and no one including El Presidente wants to be found hanging from a overpass or as a headless body beside the road!
Some of the money is in mexico, the cartels are in mexico (and US of A), but the drugs are for the citizens of the US of A.
We have already proven that we can slow down the inflow of drugs, undoubtedly causing an increase of prices, but . . . BUT the demand side has not seemed to have changed significantly.
You know if there weren't so many dumba$$es in this country willing to smoke dope and stick crap up their nose, there wouldn't be any drug cartels. And until the US quits having so many dumba$$es in this country willing to smoke dope and stick crap up their nose we are just going to get the runner-up trophy in the war on drugs and in problems on the border. In any country you have an element to whom making big money is the big thing in life and how they make it doesn't matter.
"Poor Mexico-so far from God and so close to the United States"- Porfirio Diaz, President of Mexico 1877-1880 & 1884-1911
Close the border to all. Not trade, no illegals, kill drug dealers and suppliers. CLOSE THE DAMN BORDER!
You know if there weren't so many dumba$$es in this country willing to smoke dope and stick crap up their nose, there wouldn't be any drug cartels. And until the US quits having so many dumba$$es in this country willing to smoke dope and stick crap up their nose we are just going to get the runner-up trophy in the war on drugs and in problems on the border. In any country you have an element to whom making big money is the big thing in life and how they make it doesn't matter.
"Poor Mexico-so far from God and so close to the United States"- Porfirio Diaz, President of Mexico 1877-1880 & 1884-1911
You are so right
Cutting off all funds and money transactions going across the border would be a good start.
That would break their backs, and would bring Obrador straight into a very volatile situation. Of course, that grifter in the White House won't even put a breath of pressure on Mexico. Proving once again, he couldn't care less about americans. Worst President ever, by far.
You know if there weren't so many dumba$$es in this country willing to smoke dope and stick crap up their nose, there wouldn't be any drug cartels. And until the US quits having so many dumba$$es in this country willing to smoke dope and stick crap up their nose we are just going to get the runner-up trophy in the war on drugs and in problems on the border. In any country you have an element to whom making big money is the big thing in life and how they make it doesn't matter.
"Poor Mexico-so far from God and so close to the United States"- Porfirio Diaz, President of Mexico 1877-1880 & 1884-1911
The DEA some years back put the number of illegal drug users in America at roughly 20% of the population.