Would work around the house as well.





GR

Having a Ruger PC9

This 45 would be kool too

Ruger PC9 as in pic......tad heavy

But hits where ya point it

If not one of the next 16 in the mag will

I like that!

👍

Makes a lot more sense than the PC-9. If you are going to use pistol magazines, may as well make them insert through the pistol grip. It makes for a more compact and ergonomic design.

I could see owning one of those

Good house, camp, truck gun

With the cost of all ammo these days, the 5.7 is making more sense in this LC.

I’m still trying to figure if they will make it in 9mm.

I’mma fan of mag load through the grip

With very few exceptions after using almost ever pistol carbine ever made, I believe pistol cartridges are better suited for handguns and rifle for rifles.

Nice form factor vs the PC-9.

I’ve been tempted by some of these but don’t see what they do that a 5.56 doesn’t do better, except save on ammo costs. Maybe that’s enough.

Startin' w/ a low pressure, large caliber subsonic pistol cartridge, and then runnin' it down a 16" Bbl?

Got to be a lot friendlier to shoot w/o earpro, especially in enclosed spaces, than a 5.56 NATO carbine.

My thought.




GR

The gun is only a thousand dollars. Of course, you would run through a thousand dollars worth of ammo in your first range session. It looks fun. Too much fun.

My PC9......with glass....extra mags...after market parts

Pushes well past a grand

They do include Glock mag adapter

A quick search found'em in the wild in the $725-825 range.

As for the ammo?

Discipline, monk-like discipline.




GR

I've got one of those Smith FPC carbines in 9mm, it's an awful lot of fun to fool with, but it is fussy about ammo, the ammo has to have fully, and I mean FULLY seated primers. It shoots cheap plinking ammo really well, though, and a lot of fun with good ammo. The folding feature is nice, too, it stows into a very tidy little package.

I have mixed emotions about a .45, I got burned on a Marlin Camp .45, which didn't like a single one of the MANY 1911 magazines I had, and it snapped two stock in two at the pistol grip, besides. Oh, and it shot like crap, too. I couldn't get rid of it quickly enough. Since the new Ruger uses Glock magazines, that's probably not an issue, but I don't have any of those, so I'll pass on the Ruger.

My buddy's dad had a Marlin Camp 45

Thing was minute of barn accurate

Flash hider on a rimjob? tacti-cool

From a reloading standpoint, the 45 will sip powder and if you shoot cast in it, be very economical to shoot.

Shoot some 45 ACP rubber bullets too.

Nice! I like it.

Yep, a primary consideration for me, most bird watching is done with your ears. At the ranges I’m likely to need for home defense, pistol cartridges would likely suffice.

I sent an email to S&W requesting the folding carbine in .45 to go with my M&P .45

The Ruger looks like fun though

My PC-9 has been really great in functionality and accuracy. I would prefer one without the super tactical forearm and just give it a more traditional stock and forearm like mine. I didn’t watch the whole thing but maybe they already have that configuration.

There is a way to quiet down a 5.56mm AR carbine.

But that does add expense.

Yep, a primary consideration for me, most bird watching is done with your ears. At the ranges I’m likely to need for home defense, pistol cartridges would likely suffice.

The Ruger in 45 is on my radar. I may well end up with one soon.

If interested in something in 9mm I will highly recommend this Smith & Wesson.

https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/fpc

Weight is just over 5 lbs unloaded/unscoped. It folds in half to just over 16" and will fit in a small pack.

I put a Holosun dot sight on mine and it puts 5 rounds right at 2" at 100 yards. It takes M&P magazines and comes with two 23 round and one 17 round mags. There are storage compartments for 2 spare mags in the stock. With 63 rounds of ammo onboard and the dot sight it's a bit over 8 lbs.

I paid exactly $700 OTD.

That’s interesting

That's what I'm thinking. Cast powder coated 230s or so flat round noses at about 1050 fps. I want one. I wish it were just a bit lighter for my kids to use too. Big enough bullet I don't have to worry about expansion and enough power to carry in a bear area.

Bb

Who makes the quietest can, John?

Funny.

My dad and his buddies, after a lifetime of shooting/chainsaws/dirt bikes/jet engines - use to sit out in the yard and laugh at the stupid birds, movin' their beaks and makin' a fuss, without sayin' anything.




GR