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Posted By: VAnimrod China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
Technically, "national socialist" state, but VERY much in lock-step with the '30s German development.

100% authoritarian
Rampant consumerism
Pseudo-capitalism
Production based upon state direction, but privatized collection
Accumulation of wealth permissible
Heavy emphasis on nationalism
Heavy emphasis on economic power
State-run media
State-run "entitlements" as far insurance, health care, education
Massive military build-up encouraged through nationalistic propaganda
Posted By: derby_dude Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
You might have a point there.
Posted By: Rogue Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
Unlike Germany, the male to female ratio is way out of wack. Lots of pent up aggression in China.
Posted By: SAcharlie Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
Fascism.
Posted By: SAcharlie Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
Originally Posted by Rogue
Unlike Germany, the male to female ratio is way out of wack. Lots of pent up aggression in China.


Gay aggression...don't turn your back.
Posted By: VAnimrod Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
Originally Posted by SAcharlie
Fascism.


Wrong...

FAR wrong.
Posted By: toltecgriz Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
It's called state socialism these days. Used to be called national socialism, hence "na zi" (Nazi), but even the Cni Comms don't want to be Nazis "these days."
Posted By: VAnimrod Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
A "rose" by any other name....
Posted By: toltecgriz Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
Didn't say they weren't. The words change but totalitarianism rolls on.
Posted By: Violator22 Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
Good post, and very true, would be why Obammy admires the Chinese whores!
Posted By: ConradCA Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
There is not that much difference between the Nazis, Communists, Fascists and Socialists. They all believe in state control and abhor individual freedom. The fact that they have different justifications for what they do is irrelevant.
Posted By: VAnimrod Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
Originally Posted by ConradCA
There is not that much difference between the Nazis, Communists, Fascists and Socialists. They all believe in state control and abhor individual freedom. They fact that they have different justifications for what they do is irrelevant.


The differences, make a lot of difference.
Posted By: 1minute Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
China will be the next world power.
Posted By: toltecgriz Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
Maybe, maybe not.
Posted By: SAcharlie Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
Originally Posted by toltecgriz
Maybe, maybe not.


Everytime you connect to the internet THEY are watching you.
Posted By: toltecgriz Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
That means they are watching Stick as well. Good luck to them on figuring that out. grin
Posted By: SAcharlie Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
They gonna get insulted big time.grin
Posted By: toltecgriz Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
Duct tape and all. smile
Posted By: Tim M Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
i was in China working in sept/october of this year. If what i saw is any indication then they are already a world power. Billions in shipping runs through Hong Kong harbor. They only big plus is that hong kong and Mainland china don't much care for each other to the point of separate currencies although technically they are both "China".
Posted By: picturerock Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
China will be ... to some extent it already is... "a" world power, but it will not be "the" world power.

It is dependent for food and fuel on trade. If that came to a stop, so would China.
It owns a massive amount of treasuries, but because of that it has to fear that the US either won't pay, or will inflate away the value of those treasuries. In a certain sense, we own them, not the other way around.
The current China is a weird combination of Communist dictatorship whose legitimacy to rule is built upon the fruits of a capitalist economy. The government does not rule by the consent of the people, but rather by the barrel of a gun. Its rule is thus brittle, but continues because it has allowed some of its people to become more well off through the capitalist economy. Having built that economy on low margin business, however, it is vulnerable to having its factories become unprofitable if the yuan appreciates in value much at all, if foreign currencies depreciate in relation to it, or if other countries with cheaper labor out compete it. If the Chinese economy were to suffer a significant hit, and it is inevitable that it will someday, the people who tolerate the illegitimacy of their government for the economic prosperity will likely throw the Communists out violently when that prosperity disappears. Even now there are frequent instances of civil disobedience and even riots in China every year, and the government knows full well that if that happens in what is now the best of times, there will be an explosion if things go wrong.
And remember that it was thought that the Japanese were going to rule the world twenty five years ago, but where are they now?

Modern China certainly has its strengths, but never forget that there are weaknesses too.
Posted By: ColsPaul Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
Originally Posted by 1minute
China will be the next world power.

What do you mean Next?
They own the USA now!

Posted By: ColsPaul Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
They know how to control their imigrant "problem"
They lock 'em up at night!
Posted By: tbear Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
Well stated. The major concern, after the military threat, is China's gain in technology. I'm in the electrical manufacturing industry & the Chinese are making great strides in producing electrical products for export. We all know about their successes with electronics & recently optics. An one that thinks the Chinese are stupid are ill informed. I recently evaluated some Chinese high voltage electrical products & were impressed at the quality improvements. Last week I was involved in designing & quoting a test transformer to replace a Chinese unit. The Chinese unit had the ability to work with many different voltage levels & was very innovative. As yet the Chinese have almost no share of our electrical product market, but I see it happening in the near future. As VA posted China is a brutal society & cares little about its people other than being an instrument to allow them to manufacturer more products. I do see China as a threat to world peace as energy & precious metals become more scarce.
Posted By: arkypete Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
Originally Posted by Rogue
Unlike Germany, the male to female ratio is way out of wack. Lots of pent up aggression in China.


The lack of females creats competion between the males to excel in school and work. Should this shortage become much of an issue, a war of aggression towards their neighbors will reduce the male population of China and the victim country, leaving more females available.
It's not out of the realm of possiblity that a war could be fought for females rather then other natural resources, food, land, oil, coal, water, iron, etc.

Jim
Posted By: ColsPaul Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
I work for Ashland Chemical and it is now about 40% Chinese.
And will very soon be over 50

Just like all races, I see good and bad, industrious and lazy
wise and stupid!

I just don't like to watch all the growing industries headed " over there"

Never gave much thought to the male to female ratio... but you are correct.
I see a good number of female engineers ( percentage wise )
but that is just the fact that most of the females go to college and land a decent job with companies like Ashland


They love to come to the USA ( with their non assimulating husbands ) for the life we have here and NO limits on procreation.

They show up with their "PhD's" LOL and then spend the rest of their 20's popping out non english speaking kids. Work a year, off on materinty etc.
Posted By: Malloy805 Re: China now Nazi-state - 11/29/10
Originally Posted by ConradCA
There is not that much difference between the Nazis, Communists, Fascists and Socialists. They all believe in state control and abhor individual freedom. The fact that they have different justifications for what they do is irrelevant.

They are just different species in the genius collectivism
Posted By: ConradCA Re: China now Nazi-state - 12/02/10
When people commit a murder the explanation they give is of little importance. They are all murders. The same goes for all fascists whether they are Nazis, Communists or socialists.
Posted By: achadwick Re: China now Nazi-state - 12/02/10
Originally Posted by VAnimrod
Technically, "national socialist" state, but VERY much in lock-step with the '30s German development.

100% authoritarian
Rampant consumerism
Pseudo-capitalism
Production based upon state direction, but privatized collection
Accumulation of wealth permissible
Heavy emphasis on nationalism
Heavy emphasis on economic power
State-run media
State-run "entitlements" as far insurance, health care, education
Massive military build-up encouraged through nationalistic propaganda


This has been true for many years, perhaps decades, but certainly since I moved to Hong Kong in 1992.

Posted By: gmsemel Re: China now Nazi-state - 12/02/10
Well I was going to go there to work as a flight instructor, they have a pilot shortage, lots of Chinese Students here learning to fly. I didn't take the job, the contract was something I could not sign. They are on one hand using the FAA model, yet all the airspace belongs to the Military and in order to fly on a given day for training, you need to get a permit 30 days in advance for the fight. You can't run a flight school like that. I know a couple of CFI's that when there, when was all said and done, they flew less than 200 hours the whole two years on their contracts. Maybe it changed, I doubt it. Is a Communist state, the people for the most part are slaves to the state. And I don't buy the numbers they are putting out, The Soviet Union did the same thing and what happened to them? As for our problems here at home, well its fixable, it may take a while but it can be fixed. That is if the American people want to fix it. Oh if war should break out with China they would loose. One of the first strikes would be on Three Gorge's Dam. You flood a third of the country were 40% of the population lives and where a good bit of your industry is and well, with you food and fuel problems and you don't have enough of a Navy to keep the sea lanes open, you loose. Germany learn that lesson twice, The Soviet Union learned that it could not put to sea in a way it would need to, the only three nations in the last 125 years, made it, The British with the Royal Navy, they were the top dog till June 1942, The Imperial Japanese Navy all most made it in the pacific, till Coral Sea, after Coral Sea and Midway, the United States Navy rules on,over and beneath the wave. And by doing so we control the Sea lanes and all issues on land are settled at sea. China will not war with us, because they are getting pretty much every thing they want with out one. The question for us is are we as a Nation state are going to continue policies that forces business to go else where? The nation has been doing that for a long time. We change that and guess what most business would return, for the simple reason they know for the most part property is protected here. In China if they decided to take Apples Iphone factory,they just do it. No so here yet!
Posted By: ConradCA Re: China now Nazi-state - 12/02/10
The Chinese are dependent on the USA and the western world economically. If we stopped importing from them their economy would die. While we would have minor difficulties. They could dump their T bonds, but they suffer more than we would.
Posted By: BCBrian Re: China now Nazi-state - 12/02/10
Originally Posted by VAnimrod
Technically, "national socialist" state, but VERY much in lock-step with the '30s German development.

100% authoritarian
Rampant consumerism
Pseudo-capitalism
Production based upon state direction, but privatized collection
Accumulation of wealth permissible
Heavy emphasis on nationalism
Heavy emphasis on economic power
State-run media
State-run "entitlements" as far insurance, health care, education
Massive military build-up encouraged through nationalistic propaganda


Throw in rampant racism and genocide.

The Han Chinese majority has nothing but contempt for any and all minorities within their country. What they've done to many others (think Tibet - for one example) is very reminiscent of Hitler's views about "non-Aryans".

We (many Walmart shoppers - for instance) are playing our own part in our eventual capitulation to the Chinese. We are buying the rope they'll eventually use to hang us with.
Posted By: Redneck Re: China now Nazi-state - 12/02/10
Originally Posted by VAnimrod
Technically, "national socialist" state, but VERY much in lock-step with the '30s German development.

100% authoritarian
Rampant consumerism
Pseudo-capitalism
Production based upon state direction, but privatized collection
Accumulation of wealth permissible
Heavy emphasis on nationalism
Heavy emphasis on economic power
State-run media
State-run "entitlements" as far insurance, health care, education
Massive military build-up encouraged through nationalistic propaganda
Sounds like the P-BO plan, eh?
No, they are not Nazi's but they are still a very dangerous government with unlimited resources, technology and power.
Posted By: doctor_Encore Re: China now Nazi-state - 12/02/10
China is a totalitarian state with state controlled capitalism...
pretty much where the U.S is headed.

Doc
Posted By: Bristoe Re: China now Nazi-state - 12/02/10
Originally Posted by VAnimrod
Technically, "national socialist" state, but VERY much in lock-step with the '30s German development.

100% authoritarian
Rampant consumerism
Pseudo-capitalism
Production based upon state direction, but privatized collection
Accumulation of wealth permissible
Heavy emphasis on nationalism
Heavy emphasis on economic power
State-run media
State-run "entitlements" as far insurance, health care, education
Massive military build-up encouraged through nationalistic propaganda


They're just trying to emulate America.
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