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Posted By: maddog OBL....am I the only one.... - 05/02/11
...that doesn't believe he was just shot yesterday and his body has been buried at sea? Not sure and no proof, but I think there is a major credability gap going on here. I guess I can see them saying it, so the mussies think he was buried in accordance with their religious beliefs, but my doubting mind is raising the BS flag, on that part of the reporting. JMHO.


maddog
Originally Posted by maddog
...that doesn't believe he was just shot yesterday and his body has been buried at sea? Not sure and no proof, but I think there is a major credability gap going on here. I guess I can see them saying it, so the mussies think he was buried in accordance with their religious beliefs, but my doubting mind is raising the BS flag, on that part of the reporting. JMHO.


maddog


Speculation is they'd have done DNA tests to confirm it was him...certain it wouldn't have been confirmed by sight alone. Doubt it happened just yesterday.

Where the body is? Who knows?

They're reporting what they're being told.
I don't believe for an instant he was buried at sea.The credibility for proof of an actual body with DNA evidence they already have is too powerful a tool to simply toss overboard...just can't buy that one!!
I have to ask why they'd bury him at sea?
Any burial place that could be found would become a muslim shrine pretty fast.
Originally Posted by Odessa
Any burial place that could be found would become a muslim shrine pretty fast.


You don't have to give the [bleep] anything but a pine box on an unknown potters hill.

Them [bleep] don't have to know where.

Burn him.

BTW, whatever they did or do, they have confirmation that it's him, and pics of how they did it, and disposed of it. We may never see them, or only the ones they want us to. But they have all the proof needed.
Burying him in Roswell, Area 51, with the aliens and birth certificate.
Seems, from the news reporting...they were honoring Muslim tradition of burial within 24 hours of death. Why we'd honor that, is beyond me.

Originally Posted by .280Rem
Seems, from the news reporting...they were honoring Muslim tradition of burial within 24 hours of death. Why we'd honor that, is beyond me.



Muslim as POTUS.
'Cause two wrongs don't make a right?
Burial at sea, at least he'll become literally, what he was figuratively in life...a piece of [bleep]. Shark [bleep] on the bottom of the ocean.
Originally Posted by .280Rem
Seems, from the news reporting...they were honoring Muslim tradition of burial within 24 hours of death. Why we'd honor that, is beyond me.



I'm with you on that. We need to quit being NICE in the war on terror.
Originally Posted by .280Rem
Seems, from the news reporting...they were honoring Muslim tradition of burial within 24 hours of death. Why we'd honor that, is beyond me.



If true [which I doubt] it was probably part of the Presidential order to appease his Muslim brothers.There's no reason I can think off that would require the US to honor any tradition of that POS bastage or his followers religion.That shows a bit of weakness on our part..we owe them absolutely NOTHING !!!
Posted By: Pugs Re: OBL....am I the only one.... - 05/02/11
Originally Posted by maddog
...that doesn't believe he was just shot yesterday and his body has been buried at sea?
maddog


Unless you're a complete moonbat and accept a vast conspiricy involving thousands of people then you're alone.

Work this am is a lot of fun and I can assure you he is whacked, cold and wet.
...and while it is not the "American way" to be cowardly and treasonous (as our Government Politicians have become), it is the American way to be respectful...even when we kill our enemies.
Pugs, I think you took what I said wrong. I believe he is dead. I just don't believe he was shot, body extracted, DNA taken, buried at sea, in 8-12 hrs. The real answer to that time line, we may never know.


maddog
Originally Posted by Odessa
Any burial place that could be found would become a muslim shrine pretty fast.


He should have been feed to the pigs. Enshrine that.
Originally Posted by Pugs
Originally Posted by maddog
...that doesn't believe he was just shot yesterday and his body has been buried at sea?
maddog


Unless you're a complete moonbat and accept a vast conspiricy involving thousands of people then you're alone.

Work this am is a lot of fun and I can assure you he is whacked, cold and wet.


Don't believe in any vast conspiracy. How'd they confirm so quick would be my only question?
Originally Posted by ltppowell
...and while it is not the "American way" to be cowardly and treasonous (as our Government Politicians have become), it is the American way to be respectful...even when we kill our enemies.


I guess I agree. As long as it doesn't interfere with the business at hand.
Posted By: Pugs Re: OBL....am I the only one.... - 05/02/11
Originally Posted by maddog
Pugs, I think you took what I said wrong. I believe he is dead. I just don't believe he was shot, body extracted, DNA taken, buried at sea, in 8-12 hrs. The real answer to that time line, we may never know.


Sorry for the misunderstanding.

The number of people who had hands on the body and the timeline is very well documented. There will be no doubt about this. As others have said, burial at sea in compliance with muslim custom buys us some level of goodwill with the rational side of Islam and that we are better than "them".
I'm glad that Bin Laden was killed and it is fitting that the deed was done by American elite forces(seals) but the down side of it as I see it is that Obama just got himself re-elected.I think I would possibly prefer OBL being alive and in hiding to that.

Stan in SC
Originally Posted by Pugs
that we are better than "them".


Took the words out of my mouth.
Originally Posted by Pugs
Originally Posted by maddog
Pugs, I think you took what I said wrong. I believe he is dead. I just don't believe he was shot, body extracted, DNA taken, buried at sea, in 8-12 hrs. The real answer to that time line, we may never know.


Sorry for the misunderstanding.

The number of people who had hands on the body and the timeline is very well documented. There will be no doubt about this. As others have said, burial at sea in compliance with muslim custom buys us some level of goodwill with the rational side of Islam and that we are better than "them".


Exactly right.
The most important thing is that America caught him and killed him. It doesn't really matter to me if it was two days ago or last night. It shouldn't matter to you either.
Originally Posted by maddog
Pugs, I think you took what I said wrong. I believe he is dead. I just don't believe he was shot, body extracted, DNA taken, buried at sea, in 8-12 hrs. The real answer to that time line, we may never know.


maddog


I smell horseshcit with this story too. I find myself calling horshcit everytime obama opens his mouth though, so just because he said it makes me skeptical. What would the agenda be behind a lie like this? A ratings boost? OBL is probably dead, but why his body isnt on the front page of every news paper this morning is fishy. Uday and Hoosays'(spelling) bodies were shown world wide. We have more respect for those who make the worlds most wanted list? Makes no sense to me.
I call BS too.

I don't believe in the "martyr syndrome" either.

What a victor does is take pictures and parade bodies in view of the enemy.

What will happen with this hasty burial at sea is that it creates doubters on both sides. And far worse than "martyr syndrome", the other side can claim that OSB is still alive and in hiding and that the report of his killing is disinformation.

The rules for war are thousands of years old, it amazes me how we get away with ignoring them. This sort of thing costs American lives. If we ever had an opponent that was near parity with our strength, we'd get slaughtered.
The timeline doesn't quite match. The reports say that he was killed last week, but the messiah said he gave the order yesterday for the raid. Me, Me, Me; arrogance, cubed.
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Originally Posted by Pugs
that we are better than "them".


Took the words out of my mouth.


That is a BS superiority complex. That kind of thinking will get you killed.
Originally Posted by BarryC
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Originally Posted by Pugs
that we are better than "them".


Took the words out of my mouth.


That is a BS superiority complex. That kind of thinking will get you killed.


Seems a long established line of thinking, of at least having some common decency within our own beliefs, going back through 'nam, Korea, and two World Wars.

The SEALs did what they do, confirmed his death, and disposed of the body in an efficient and professional way.

The animals on both sides (ours and theirs) can gnash teeth and wish to have our men do something unprofessional, but it's simply beneath them.

You have to ask yourself why you don't understand, honor, and respect that.
Photos will be forthcoming as the POTUS knows people demand t see proof. Witness accounts at the town bear semblance to the overview of American reports. I'm sure in the ensuing days, Seal Team 6 members will be identified. We might even see the photo of the helicopter which made an uncontrolled landing.

I think our Warlord knows better to fabricate a story on this piece of vermin. I wonder if they found his birth certificate?

I have stated elsewhere, that I look askance at the death of Bin Laden. I believe him in custody, and the 'burial at sea' a sham.

Surprised also that obama would give up his soul mate Bin Laden at this time. I expected him to throw his buddy under the bus right before the 2012 election.
Look I am NO OBAMA fan. I am not a socialist. I dont want to be one who what every stupid things the Republicans do is correct and what ever the Dems do is wrong (Even though much really is compared to my thoughts)

That being said why soo fast why dispose of him soo fast?
Is it because of their laws? If so is our president scared of them? Is he sympathitac?
These people in the towers could not be burried with their religious beliefs respected.

He was one man what about the other thousands that were involved? Yes its a great thing he was killed(if its true) but its just the start!I am Catholic and respect all religions that are not out to dominate and kill me. The others need to be delt with
I AM NOT A GLOBAL CITIZEN I AM AN AMERICAN!

Hank
Try this one on for size.... how'd you like to be the Paki that was awake during the raid and commenting on it via his Twitter account:

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/05/02/twitter-user-reports-live-bin-laden-raid-knowing/
Posted By: ingwe Re: OBL....am I the only one.... - 05/02/11
I imagine that the burial at sea is probably the truth..trying to maintain PC or some such nonsense...
Observing the laws/traditions of your enemies should be reserved for enemies that you respect...Manfred Von Richthofen springs to mind...
Bin Laden...not so much...
Kind of a shame he died quickly...
There is misinformation coming out at this point in time. There always is. The press never has all the details correct only hours after something like this. That's one fact you can count on and ....

OBL is fuggin' dead. Period.

I find the burial at sea totally believable. It ends the issue. Body disposed of - end of story. Finality and closure in a very wise and calculated manner.


Congrats to team that took him out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: efw Re: OBL....am I the only one.... - 05/02/11
Nope you're not the only one. That was the first thing I said to my family... surprised news wasn't witheld until October of '12 for Bammy's "October Suprise".

The thing I think is most interesting is the way that the state run media picks this up and runs with it without question, as if everything that comes from gov't is gospel truth.

Twits.
Kinda hard to wonder what all the fuss is about, as noted OBL is dead, who really cares about the rest of it actually?

OTOH, and IMHO, I personally would have never let it make the news, kill him, verify it, get rid of the body so NO one knows where it is, go on with life... Let the rumors fly later on but nothing in the news or confirmations.

As to us respecting the dead, regardless of the dead, the USA has always been ahead of others and will continue to be.
I realize it's hard to believe when a pathological liar says something that is true, but the news is so significant and it would be too hard to keep a sham that size under wraps if it wasn't true. I'm sure some of the details won't be known for a long time, if ever, and that some of the publicly announced details will be bogus, but I do not believe that we have the right to know every detail about sensitive matters of state, so even Obama gets a pass on that from me.
This azzhole should get NO respect whatsoever!!.. dead or alive.Don't understand all this chivalry you guys are relating to.. this SOB deserves nothing, and more should be made of our endless mission of taking him out and all who follow instead of the humanitarian ways we handled it!! I bet the families of 911 didn't give a chit one way or the other about the RIGHT way of the operation...sorry for the rant but I feel very strongly about projecting the show of strength these days....not appeasing some religion that wants to wipe us off the planet..[bleep] em..
Respect is for the living. Dead is dead.
OBL is dead. It happened on Obama's watch, so he gets to take credit. That's how it works. Obama finally kept a campaign promise.

Not pissing off the muzzie world and by honoring a few customs will go a long way. I'm hoping we can get our kids the hell out of the region.

Originally Posted by Odessa
Any burial place that could be found would become a muslim shrine pretty fast.


Correct. There is precedence, we did the same thing with all the NAZIS executed at Nuremberg. Hanged, cremation and dumped their ashes in the river.
Posted By: efw Re: OBL....am I the only one.... - 05/02/11
Originally Posted by Calvin
OBL is dead. It happened on Obama's watch, so he gets to take credit. That's how it works. Obama finally kept a campaign promise.

Not pissing off the muzzie world and by honoring a few customs will go a long way. I'm hoping we can get our kids the hell out of the region.



Amen!
Originally Posted by FlyboyFlem
This azzhole should get NO respect whatsoever!!.. dead or alive.Don't understand all this chivalry you guys are relating to.. this SOB deserves nothing, and more should be made of our endless mission of taking him out and all who follow instead of the humanitarian ways we handled it!! I bet the families of 911 didn't give a chit one way or the other about the RIGHT way of the operation...sorry for the rant but I feel very strongly about projecting the show of strength these days....not appeasing some religion that wants to wipe us off the planet..[bleep] em..


Personally I don't think it was respect for him, it was for muslims. Do I agree in theory, well I"d like to say a few things personally, and have some thoughts, some could call them "racist" in some ways too.

BUT I also know that we'd draw untold extra wrath if we paraded him around, draggin the body by a chain up and donw pennsylvania avenue and so on. No big deal really on doing the work and then burying him in 24 hours. Not a chore. Plus it says to the rest of the doubters, we have not relegated to a 3rd world country yet.

I don't see that we gain anything by mutilation etc... we don't gain anything buy publicly feeding him to the pigs and so on. Do we gain by doing it the way it was done? Maybe not, but we certainly don't loose ground.

As to comments RE Obama, I tend to agree I suspect he had little to do with it really, but then he gave a green light( I"m assuming there ) and for that he gets respect and thanks from me. Even if I don't agree with the other 99.95 of what he has done. Job well done on this one Obama.

Military folks, thanks for all your service, now, previous and future and for all those that have preceded us so that we can still, at this point, speak English, even if we have to press 1.

Jeff

(of course.... how the F.... can you not know that 12 JDAMS would not reduce a place to dust.. I mean you must be totally ignorant of a lot if you couldn't know that before and advisor told you that...)
I never cared much for whatever was done or happened to the carcasses of killed enemies. Still don't. As far as placating the muslim world, I could care less. We do not and never had anything to prove to them. Still don't! Better than them??? Last man standing is better.
Quote-Burying him in Roswell, Area 51, with the aliens and birth certificate.


HELL NO!!!! WE DON"T WANT THAT POS HERE!!!!!LOL
Administration officials say DNA evidence has proven OBL is dead with 99.9 confidence.



ML
I find myself in agreement with ET and Flem on this one.

Respect is earned, but there's self respect too and holding one's self to a higher standard.

probably best that I'm not in charge of decisions like what to do with his body.

I could easily see me slippin into the dark side of my soul

I hated that pos Bin Laden and all those that danced in the streets after 9-11

I just want them all dead, someone else can decide what to do with their remains.
Originally Posted by Mntngoat
Administration officials say DNA evidence has proven OBL is dead with 99.9 confidence.



ML


considering the history of perfidy with this administration, where is the reason (other than wanting what they say to be true) for believing them now?
you mean like this.
[Linked Image]
I wonder if an autopsy was performed? I would like to know how his kidneys lasted 10 years.
Originally Posted by bigwhoop
I'm sure in the ensuing days, Seal Team 6 members will be identified.


I don't see that happening, ever.

http://www.sealteam.com/

Mike
Originally Posted by Pugs
Originally Posted by maddog
...that doesn't believe he was just shot yesterday and his body has been buried at sea?
maddog


Unless you're a complete moonbat and accept a vast conspiricy involving thousands of people then you're alone.

Work this am is a lot of fun and I can assure you he is whacked, cold and wet.


A local Pak tweeted about the helo and the explosions, as it was going down.
There's always a lot of conspiracy theories, but I believe they got him, and disposed of him so as not to enshrine him. The Islamic respect burial, not completely in agreement with. I would have chummed the waters.

I still believe nothing that comes out of Barry's pie hole. He was a liar here in IL, and continued it into DC. I will see the proof from elsewhere.

Hats off to the SEALS and CIA. From what I'm hearing, they did a lot of homework, and info gleaned out of Guantanomo seems to have helped.

Convenient mission and announcement

Same day death as Hitler
Interrupted 'Celebrity Apprentice' (hehe)
Barry's approval rating at all-time low- now bump from birther debacle.

Loved the use of I, me, my. You'll see a shiitload of that in the future (like the next 18 months)
Posted By: GeoW Re: OBL....am I the only one.... - 05/02/11
Originally Posted by Mntngoat
Administration officials say DNA evidence has proven OBL is dead with 99.9 confidence.



ML


Well den is he da baby daddy or is he isn't?

crazy
Hi Mannlicher,

If, as a frenchman, i can say something: think you're right, may be is alive and your "services" will try to get more infos. And if that bastard is dead and in the ocean don't worry because it's not really the muslim way to be buried and being dropped in the ocean is more an offense for them than an honor. May be would have been better to burn him with tons of pig stain and show this to is brothers in religion.
Regards
Dom
We don't like them too....
Originally Posted by maddog
...


What scandal do you suppose .Gov is trying to hide by killing OBL now? Must be a doozer.....

There, That's my conspiracy theory.....
I think they should have hung OBL from the flag ploe at Ground Zero for a couple of weeks so we could all go and pay our respect.
Posted By: Tonk Re: OBL....am I the only one.... - 05/02/11
I agree with showing him off at "Ground Zero"!

I am curious to see what the Paky's say about Bin Ladin being just up the street from their police stronghold. Ummmmmm Bomb all those SOB'S and be done with the Bull Crap.
No doubt in my mind that, as the Munchins said, he is "most sincerely dead."

As to his burial, Muslim custom is to be quickly buried in the ground, with the head pointing towards Mecca. So, no, a burial at sea wasn't necessarily showing respect. But it does eliminate any shrines being made for him.
I say we shoulda planted him at a firing range at Parris Island. That way, any Muslim visiting the shrine would serve a twofold purpose....
Originally Posted by Marseille
Hi Mannlicher,

If, as a frenchman, i can say something: think you're right, may be is alive and your "services" will try to get more infos. And if that bastard is dead and in the ocean don't worry because it's not really the muslim way to be buried and being dropped in the ocean is more an offense for them than an honor. May be would have been better to burn him with tons of pig stain and show this to is brothers in religion.
Regards
Dom
We don't like them too....


Dom,

What is happening in France with the muslim population is proof that no matter how good you are to them, they will still try to take over your country.
I have followed the situation there closely, and no one can say France did not try to be fair to the muslims that immigrated there.
Originally Posted by RS308MX
I think they should have hung OBL from the flag ploe at Ground Zero for a couple of weeks so we could all go and pay our respect.


Will this do?

[Linked Image]
Originally Posted by Tonk
I agree with showing him off at "Ground Zero"!

I am curious to see what the Paky's say about Bin Ladin being just up the street from their police stronghold. Ummmmmm Bomb all those SOB'S and be done with the Bull Crap.

Finally, here's the opening for me to say what I've been thinking about this whole thing. I don't doubt that OBL was killed, and that the timeline is as reported. As far as BHO taking credit, that's what any president gets to do. What won't get reported is that this whole exercise couldn't have been done without the groundwork (Gitmo, etc.) that GWB laid.

What I have a hard time with is that the officials in Pakistan didn't know he was there. This was a popular place for Pakistani military to retire. Retired military guys pay attention, and keep their connections with active duty for as long as possible. Could OBL have been living right under the nose of the Pakistani military, without them or their government knowing it? I think not.

Steve
Originally Posted by watch4bear
I wonder if an autopsy was performed? I would like to know how his kidneys lasted 10 years.

I've always thought his kidneys were better than advertised.

Steve
Originally Posted by maddog
...that doesn't believe he was just shot yesterday and his body has been buried at sea? Not sure and no proof, but I think there is a major credability gap going on here. I guess I can see them saying it, so the mussies think he was buried in accordance with their religious beliefs, but my doubting mind is raising the BS flag, on that part of the reporting. JMHO.


maddog
............I don`t believe there will be any doubt. If he wasn`t killed, then that would be a direct embarrassment and credibility issue on our military. He died a week ago. So before any announcements were made yesterday, they made damn sure via the DNA, photos etc, that it was in fact OBL himself.

That`s why they sent in the Seals for a ground operation. Rather than blow him up using a missle making his identity far more difficult, they wanted him in tact if he were killed.

Obama isn`t that dumb to make an announcement, unless all the little duckies were well lined up thoroughly covering his ass.

Yep! JFK was sitting in a wheelchair as an invalid some years after Dallas too.

The photos of a dead OBL will come out.
Originally Posted by Karnis
Originally Posted by RS308MX
I think they should have hung OBL from the flag ploe at Ground Zero for a couple of weeks so we could all go and pay our respect.


Will this do?

[Linked Image]
....................That`s great! Love that!

You can also include the heads of all the damn liberals who hate this country too! Their heads would go well with the head OBL.
In the long run should we be po'd at Pakistan? Seemed a whole lot easier getting him where he was than in some cave in the middle of nowhere. Perhaps that is the idea.
Originally Posted by maddog
...that doesn't believe he was just shot yesterday and his body has been buried at sea? Not sure and no proof, but I think there is a major credability gap going on here. I guess I can see them saying it, so the mussies think he was buried in accordance with their religious beliefs, but my doubting mind is raising the BS flag, on that part of the reporting. JMHO.


maddog
You're not the only one. Burying him at sea practically cinches it that something's rotten in Denmark. Makes absolutely no sense otherwise.
Originally Posted by Odessa
Any burial place that could be found would become a muslim shrine pretty fast.
If something wasn't rotten in Denmark, that body wouldn't be disposed of for many years to come. It needs to be confirmed and reconfirmed by independent sources that he was only recently killed.
Originally Posted by .280Rem
Seems, from the news reporting...they were honoring Muslim tradition of burial within 24 hours of death. Why we'd honor that, is beyond me.

Of course. Makes no sense. Something's rotten.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by maddog
...that doesn't believe he was just shot yesterday and his body has been buried at sea? Not sure and no proof, but I think there is a major credability gap going on here. I guess I can see them saying it, so the mussies think he was buried in accordance with their religious beliefs, but my doubting mind is raising the BS flag, on that part of the reporting. JMHO.


maddog
You're not the only one. Burying him at sea practically cinches it that something's rotten in Denmark. Makes absolutely no sense otherwise.


I see your supply is running low again or you overdosed on idiot conspiracy theory pills again. We did the same thing to German leaders after Nuremberg for the same reason.

[Linked Image]
I don't doubt that he was shot yesterday or whenever, but I find it really hard to believe that we haven't known where he was for a really long time if he has been living in that house since it was built.

The place kind of stuck out like a sore thumb. And of course, I find it hard to believe that someone in Pakastani intelligence didn't tip us off about it before Osama even finished unpacking.

It really smell like a deal of where Pakistan agreed to virtually imprison him and render him ineffective if we agreed not to kill him in Pakistan and save their government all of the backlash that would come if he was killed there.

So, if that were the case there are only two reasons as to why he was killed now. Either the situation in Pakistan and our relations with them have deteriorated to the point that we felt we had nothing to lose, or Obama did it in order to stop his free fall in public opinion polls.

Considering what is likely to happen in Pakistan now, it either one of the above scenarios could be very bad news in the long run.
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
He died a week ago. So before any announcements were made yesterday, they made damn sure via the DNA, photos etc, that it was in fact OBL himself.


I've not seen one report that this all went down a week ago and was only reported last night. From what I understand and what is being reported, the raid occurred at 1630 local, he was back on the Charles Vinson and cleaned and wrapped by 0100 local, and buried at sea at 0200 local in the Arabian Sea.
Please provide a link that states otherwise.

What I'm skeptical of is DNA testing they say is positive. To the best of my knowledge, technology has narrowed down what used to take a week to just 48 hours, but no one has ever stated it could be done in the time frame the regime is stating.
Quote
this all went down a week ago and was only reported last night.


And no wiki leak, imagine that.
That's because it was handled within the SOCOM community and kept away from normal mil. sources.
Originally Posted by levrluvr
What I'm skeptical of is DNA testing they say is positive. To the best of my knowledge, technology has narrowed down what used to take a week to just 48 hours, but no one has ever stated it could be done in the time frame the regime is stating.

This should be pretty easy to verify or discount, even on the world wide interweb.

Steve
Originally Posted by levrluvr
Originally Posted by bigsqueeze
He died a week ago. So before any announcements were made yesterday, they made damn sure via the DNA, photos etc, that it was in fact OBL himself.


I've not seen one report that this all went down a week ago and was only reported last night. From what I understand and what is being reported, the raid occurred at 1630 local, he was back on the Charles Vinson and cleaned and wrapped by 0100 local, and buried at sea at 0200 local in the Arabian Sea.
Please provide a link that states otherwise.

What I'm skeptical of is DNA testing they say is positive. To the best of my knowledge, technology has narrowed down what used to take a week to just 48 hours, but no one has ever stated it could be done in the time frame the regime is stating.


DNA identification can be done almost immediately with modern technology. I would find it hard to believe that the CIA didn't already have some sample to compare his remains to, such as a hair sample from one of his children, etc.

ETA: This pretty much confirms what I was trying to get at.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/27739824/detail.html

BOSTON -- The death of a sister of Osama bin Laden at Massachusetts General Hospital allowed the United States to confirm bin Laden's death, ABC News reported.

When his sister died in Boston, tissue from her body was taken by government officials for DNA testing, ABC News correspondent Brian Ross reported.

A source told NewsCenter 5 that bin Laden's sister died in Boston about a year ago.

The tissue sample was used to match the DNA found on the man killed by special forces troops who conducted the raid on bin Laden's Pakistani compound.

Government officials claimed the DNA evidence provides a match with 99.9 percent confidence.

The officials did not immediately say where or how the testing was done but the test explains why President Barack Obama was confident to announce the death to the world Sunday night. Obama provided no details on the identification process.

The U.S. is believed to have collected DNA samples from bin Laden family members in the years since the 9/11 attacks that triggered the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan. It was unclear whether the U.S. also had fingerprints or some other means to identify the body on site.

Copyright 2011 by TheBostonChannel.com. The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Read more: http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/27739824/detail.html#ixzz1LEzY6K2E
All conspiratorial spin aside, I have just two words:

Good shootin'.

OK, five more words:

It's a fine Navy day!
Well, talked to a hospital buddy of mine, and he said, that if they had a comparative DNA sample, it could have been done, almost immediately. So, who knows what really happened. I'd like to believe we are getting the straight dope, but my 60 yr. old mind, says there is more to the story....



maddog

I am surprised that many who, last week, would not have believed BHO if he had said the sun would rise are now believing him as if he was speaking ex-cathedra.
Originally Posted by Calvin
OBL is dead. It happened on Obama's watch, so he gets to take credit. That's how it works. Obama finally kept a campaign promise.

Not pissing off the muzzie world and by honoring a few customs will go a long way. I'm hoping we can get our kids the hell out of the region.



Big +1
Originally Posted by Cossatotjoe_redux
I don't doubt that he was shot yesterday or whenever, but I find it really hard to believe that we haven't known where he was for a really long time if he has been living in that house since it was built.

The place kind of stuck out like a sore thumb. And of course, I find it hard to believe that someone in Pakastani intelligence didn't tip us off about it before Osama even finished unpacking.

It really smell like a deal of where Pakistan agreed to virtually imprison him and render him ineffective if we agreed not to kill him in Pakistan and save their government all of the backlash that would come if he was killed there.

So, if that were the case there are only two reasons as to why he was killed now. Either the situation in Pakistan and our relations with them have deteriorated to the point that we felt we had nothing to lose, or Obama did it in order to stop his free fall in public opinion polls.


Interesting & quite plausible take.
There already is word that they have suspected he was there since at least last August.
What makes me almost despondent is the degree to which so many of my otherwise sane fellow citizens grasp onto these various conspiracy takes on whatever the news happens to be. I am politically a pretty conservative member of this forum, but this president made a tough call to send JSOC into that compound. B2's or Tomahawks would have been a much simpler solution - and we would have been reading the kook class and the jihadists claiming he wasn't really dead. I was in the Pentagon on 9-11 and worked for weeks on our initial response as a couple of hundred of my fellow citizens were scrapped off the floors and walls. Any of us would have given anything then or at any point in the last ten years to have provided actionable intelligence to kill this monster. It is harder than you would ever believe to find someone who doesn't want to be found. Our intel services finally did and we ought to give credit where credit is due that the National Command Authority acted decisively.
Originally Posted by RedLeg
What makes me almost despondent is the degree to which so many of my otherwise sane fellow citizens grasp onto these various conspiracy takes on whatever the news happens to be. I am politically a pretty conservative member of this forum, but this president made a tough call to send JSOC into that compound. B2's or Tomahawks would have been a much simpler solution - and we would have been reading the kook class and the jihadists claiming he wasn't really dead. I was in the Pentagon on 9-11 and worked for weeks as a couple of hundred of my fellow citizens were scrapped off the floors and walls. Any of us would have given anything then or at any point in the last ten years to have provided actionable intelligence. It is harder than you would ever believe to find someone who doesn't want to be found. Our intel services finally did and we ought to give credit where credit is due that the National Command Authority acted decisively.


Well said RedLeg.
Originally Posted by RedLeg
What makes me almost despondent is the degree to which so many of my otherwise sane fellow citizens grasp onto these various conspiracy takes on whatever the news happens to be.


+1

But I wouldn't be so certain about that "otherwise sane" part...
I would have been nice, it he was put in a wooden box and propped up like John Wesley Hardin at Ground Zero and let the people look for a month or two. Then dump him in a 55 gallon Drum and dump him off New Jersey. But we don't do such things anymore.
Seems a bit odd.

Why would they bother to load his body on the boat if they were just going to dump it in the ocean?

Originally Posted by maddog
...that doesn't believe he was just shot yesterday and his body has been buried at sea? Not sure and no proof, but I think there is a major credability gap going on here. I guess I can see them saying it, so the mussies think he was buried in accordance with their religious beliefs, but my doubting mind is raising the BS flag, on that part of the reporting. JMHO.


maddog


Wag the dog....ever seen the movie?
Posted By: Pugs Re: OBL....am I the only one.... - 05/03/11
Originally Posted by Odessa
Originally Posted by RedLeg
What makes me almost despondent is the degree to which so many of my otherwise sane fellow citizens grasp onto these various conspiracy takes on whatever the news happens to be. I am politically a pretty conservative member of this forum, but this president made a tough call to send JSOC into that compound. B2's or Tomahawks would have been a much simpler solution - and we would have been reading the kook class and the jihadists claiming he wasn't really dead. I was in the Pentagon on 9-11 and worked for weeks as a couple of hundred of my fellow citizens were scrapped off the floors and walls. Any of us would have given anything then or at any point in the last ten years to have provided actionable intelligence. It is harder than you would ever believe to find someone who doesn't want to be found. Our intel services finally did and we ought to give credit where credit is due that the National Command Authority acted decisively.


Well said RedLeg.


Indeed. +2
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Seems a bit odd.

Why would they bother to load his body on the boat if they were just going to dump it in the ocean?



Dental x-rays, dna samples, let the whole crew of the Vincennes piss on him.
Maybe hey needed to chum up some sharks before trolling with his severed head. Dunnow, orders most likely.
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What makes me almost despondent is the degree to which so many of my otherwise sane fellow citizens grasp onto these various conspiracy takes on whatever the news happens to be.


Its a perfectly acceptable reaction. It wasn't that long ago democrats were busy undermining a republican administration, pro-longing the wars by giving comfort to the enemy, and belittling our armed forces. So I hope you understand, that we understand, democrats are two faced caksuckers unworthy of a pat on the head.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Seems a bit odd.

Why would they bother to load his body on the boat if they were just going to dump it in the ocean?




Maybe they didn't have time to test DNA and take dental imprints in downtown pakistan.
Posted By: 700LH Re: OBL....am I the only one.... - 05/03/11
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Seems a bit odd.

Why would they bother to load his body on the boat if they were just going to dump it in the ocean?


So dozens of sailors can say they saw it happen?
Just sayin....
We want A CERTIFIED COPY OF THE DEATH CERTIFICATE! laugh
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Seems a bit odd.

Why would they bother to load his body on the boat if they were just going to dump it in the ocean?



Had we left the body there his followers would have made a huge deal about his funeral and enshrined his name forever. We did the same thing to the Nazi hierarchy after WWII. Hanged, burned and their ashes thrown into the Rhine in the middle of the night.
Originally Posted by Plinker
We want A CERTIFIED COPY OF THE DEATH CERTIFICATE! laugh
Please. If there wasn't something rotten about this whole thing they'd be publicizing his real pictures like there was no tomorrow, and they certainly wouldn't have disposed of the body till America had more than enough chance to celebrate and be satisfied that all is as it appears.
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Had we left the body there his followers would have made a huge deal about his funeral and enshrined his name forever. We did the same thing to the Nazi hierarchy after WWII. Hanged, burned and their ashes thrown into the Rhine in the middle of the night.
The man's a confessed mass murderer. Why would we even think about handing over his body to anyone. Not for years, at any rate, and then to his family at their transportation expense from America.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Plinker
We want A CERTIFIED COPY OF THE DEATH CERTIFICATE! laugh
Please. If there wasn't something rotten about this whole thing they'd be publicizing his real pictures like there was no tomorrow, and they certainly wouldn't have disposed of the body till America had more than enough chance to celebrate and be satisfied that all is as it appears.


That settles it then. Bin Laden was killed & buried in Kenya!
Originally Posted by Plinker
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Plinker
We want A CERTIFIED COPY OF THE DEATH CERTIFICATE! laugh
Please. If there wasn't something rotten about this whole thing they'd be publicizing his real pictures like there was no tomorrow, and they certainly wouldn't have disposed of the body till America had more than enough chance to celebrate and be satisfied that all is as it appears.


That settles it then. Bin Laden was killed & buried in Kenya!
Something definitely smells. Even you knee jerk Obama defenders have to admit that dumping the body at sea before America had a chance to process this whole thing is beyond suspicious.
Posted By: efw Re: OBL....am I the only one.... - 05/03/11
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by maddog
...that doesn't believe he was just shot yesterday and his body has been buried at sea? Not sure and no proof, but I think there is a major credability gap going on here. I guess I can see them saying it, so the mussies think he was buried in accordance with their religious beliefs, but my doubting mind is raising the BS flag, on that part of the reporting. JMHO.


maddog
You're not the only one. Burying him at sea practically cinches it that something's rotten in Denmark. Makes absolutely no sense otherwise.


I see your supply is running low again or you overdosed on idiot conspiracy theory pills again. We did the same thing to German leaders after Nuremberg for the same reason.

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Interesting how you claim to have a distrust for the sitting President, yet you're quick to make fun of those who point out obvious problems with the government's story in this instance. Would you have us believe everything this administration says?

Nuremberg was a trial in which, at least to the best of my knowledge, the identity (to say nothing of whether they were actually dead) of the defendants was not in question. Just a little different situation...

And you're an idiot..
Originally Posted by jorgeI
And you're an idiot..
Well, it certainly behooves you and your ilk to do your parts in creating that impression. That much is for sure.
Posted By: mjc Re: OBL....am I the only one.... - 05/03/11
I�d be surprised if an autopsy wasn�t performed before OBL was dumped in the ocean. I�d also be surprised if significant tissue samples weren�t kept for further proof / testing after the autopsy. Our government kept his sister�s brain for a DNA sample. They probably did the same thing with OBL if there was any brain sample left worth keeping.
Don't worry Hawk, pretty soon all your little kook butt-buddies will join you here in the great OBL conspiracy to go along with your other idiotic ones..
Posted By: 700LH Re: OBL....am I the only one.... - 05/03/11
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by jorgeI
And you're an idiot..
Well, it certainly behooves you and your ilk to do your parts in creating that impression. That much is for sure.

You do a fine job of that yourself, no help necessary
Good Lord, Chris...

Think, for just a few seconds, about identification, disposal, and NOT giving the rabid nutjobs something (else) to go apeshit over.

The US military acted professionally, and cleanly; dealt with the POS, and disposed of the remains in a professional, nonchalant manner; adding insult to injury by NOT hyping it.

Pics will eventually come out, and that'll be that.
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Don't worry Hawk, pretty soon all your little kook butt-buddies will join you here in the great OBL conspiracy to go along with your other idiotic ones..
I merely observe the obvious suspicious nature of this situation.
Originally Posted by 700LH

You do a fine job of that yourself, no help necessary
and here comes an ilk.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Seems a bit odd.

Why would they bother to load his body on the boat if they were just going to dump it in the ocean?



Because DEVGRU's mission was to kill Bin Laden, retrieve his body for positive identification and gather any intel present at the compound. Nothing more, nothing less. I doubt the operators were really concerned about where the body was going to be disposed of at the time of the raid, as I'm sure they were preoccupied with completing the objective and getting the Hell out of dodge.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Don't worry Hawk, pretty soon all your little kook butt-buddies will join you here in the great OBL conspiracy to go along with your other idiotic ones..
I merely observe the obvious suspicious nature of this situation.


As I say it makes me absolutely despondent. Maybe JSOC and Seal Team Six used those special new world order black helicopters for the mission which explains how they spoofed the Pack radar. And what would you have done with his body? Leave him there - a martyr to the cause; bury him at Bagram or maybe Fort Bragg or Norfolk? Throwing him (excuse me "easing him") over the side seems pretty logical to me - particularly after getting positive ID. The conspiracy crowd is just as bad as any of the leftist America haters. I don't know why it is so hard to believe that patriotic Americans serving in our intelligence and military services for the last decade have made incredible sacrifices to find this man. They deserve our respect and thanks. I want to believe that most thinking Americans believe that. But it is clear that far too many weren't worth the effort.
Originally Posted by VAnimrod
Good Lord, Chris...

Think, for just a few seconds, about identification, disposal, and NOT giving the rabid nutjobs something (else) to go apeshit over.

The US military acted professionally, and cleanly; dealt with the POS, and disposed of the remains in a professional, nonchalant manner; adding insult to injury by NOT hyping it.

Pics will eventually come out, and that'll be that.


Amen.

I think what a lot of people are failing to grasp is the people involved in this raid: the CIA's SAD, DEVGRU, 160th SOAR, maybe Delta, are the absolute best of the best special operations personnel that this country (and world) has to offer.

These guys are trained to complete their mission objectives without emotion and handle things professionally. They did with the body just as they did the Blackhawk that mechanical troubles on the flight in, and that is destroy all evidence so that the item/object in question could not fall into an enemy's hands.

Sean is right, too, in that pictures will eventually surface. I'm sure most of the firefight and aftermath is documented on video, as well, though that'll likely be classifed.
Originally Posted by RedLeg
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by jorgeI
Don't worry Hawk, pretty soon all your little kook butt-buddies will join you here in the great OBL conspiracy to go along with your other idiotic ones..
I merely observe the obvious suspicious nature of this situation.


As I say it makes me absolutely despondent. Maybe JSOC and Seal Team Six used those special new world order black helicopters for the mission which explains how they spoofed the Pack radar. And what would you have done with his body? Leave him there - a martyr to the cause; bury him at Bagram or maybe Fort Bragg or Norfolk? Throwing him (excuse me "easing him") over the side seems pretty logical to me. The conspiracy crowd is just as bad as any of the leftist America haters. I don't know why it is so hard to believe that patriotic Americans serving in our intelligence and military services for the last decade have made incredible sacrifices to find this man. They deserve our respect and thanks. I want to believe that most thinking Americans believe that. But it is clear that far too many weren't worth the effort.


The government has told too many lies for too long for people to take anything they say at face value.

Personally, I don't get too invested in any type of government account.

I've learned that it saves a lot of disappointment.

They've already said the SEALs launched from, returned to, and had the body on board the USS Carl Vinson.

That's a 3200+ crew ship.

You can bet your ass that EVERY person on that ship knew EXACTLY what was onboard from the second it landed on that deck.

But, it's all a big smokescreen?

Come on.... you're going to get 3200 sailors and Marines in on a the entire fake?

Not a chance.
Originally Posted by Plinker
We want A CERTIFIED COPY OF THE DEATH CERTIFICATE! laugh

Who would you want to certify it? What would "certification" mean? If you saw such a certified copy, how would you know it's authentic?

Steve
I hope the sorry excuse for a human being is enjoying his virgins-lol. If he was a true Muslim, surely he would have stepped up and took one for the team already so he enjoy the rewards of martyrdom. Good riddance!
Originally Posted by VAnimrod
They've already said the SEALs launched from, returned to, and had the body on board the USS Carl Vinson.

That's a 3200+ crew ship.

You can bet your ass that EVERY person on that ship knew EXACTLY what was onboard from the second it landed on that deck.

But, it's all a big smokescreen?

Come on.... you're going to get 3200 sailors and Marines in on a the entire fake?

Not a chance.


I'm just real sure they paraded all 3200+ sailors past his body when it was piped aboard. Bullshit.

He was brought aboard late at night, handcuffed and blindfolded without any fanfare. He was hustled below and is right now being interrogated. They dumped a box of rocks overboard.

If OSB is fit to serve as dead I want to see the official Death Certificate. It's a simple thing just release it, no big deal. What is BHO hiding?

I say the American People have a constitutional right to the Death Certificate. Why wouldn't anyone want to know if OSB is qualified to be Dead?
the videos and photos will all be released....for maximum embarssment to al Q.

the computers and cell phones are more useful than an old man's memory anyway.
I take it back...you do wear beads.
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Originally Posted by Everyday Hunter
Originally Posted by Plinker
We want A CERTIFIED COPY OF THE DEATH CERTIFICATE! laugh

Who would you want to certify it? What would "certification" mean? If you saw such a certified copy, how would you know it's authentic?

Steve


DOOD! It was said in jest. See the smilie? wink Lighten up man! grin Celebrate! Bin Laden is dead!

Once again nothing to refute my statements.

You lose the argument when you descend to babbling, invective, profanity, and the ad hominem.

Tell me in simple unemotional words why we cannot see the Death Certificate? Donald, Donald, Donald, where are you when we need you most?
I'm surprised you folks don't realize that Spanky, in his usual twisted way, is being sarcastic.
And you, in your usual way, are being a complete idiot.
Posted By: ingwe Re: OBL....am I the only one.... - 05/03/11
That was mean...
Stupid people should not be treated nicely.
Posted By: isaac Re: OBL....am I the only one.... - 05/03/11
I'm surprised you don't understand most believe his attempts at sarcasm are not only sophomoric but they also manifest his clear confusion at understanding matters which compel one to think outside a box.
Originally Posted by ingwe
That was mean...
Indeed, it cuts me to the quick when folks of his quality are harsh with me. laugh
Originally Posted by .280Rem
Burial at sea, at least he'll become literally, what he was figuratively in life...a piece of [bleep]. Shark [bleep] on the bottom of the ocean.


should have fed him to hungry pigs.
Originally Posted by rphguy
Originally Posted by .280Rem
Burial at sea, at least he'll become literally, what he was figuratively in life...a piece of [bleep]. Shark [bleep] on the bottom of the ocean.


should have fed him to hungry pigs.
Sure, but only AFTER his body had been made available for observation by the victims of 9/11, not to mention testing by several independent laboratories.
Just think what it would be like to have the recovered bullet that killed him. Mounted on a nice little plaque and captioned, "This is the one."

Talk about a million dollar bullet!

Where is the Death Certificate? No way should he be allowed to serve as Dead without proof positive that he is Constitutionally qualified.

What is Obama hiding? Was OBL actually killed in Kenya?
Posted By: isaac Re: OBL....am I the only one.... - 05/03/11
At least you appear to be taking your retard pills as the doctor prescribed.

Sure seems to ring your dingleberries.

How about a reasoned response to my erudite postings? Prove he wasn't killed in Kenya. Personally I think he is alive in the Vincent brig eagerly anticipating his second day of "de-briefing".
Originally Posted by Plinker
Originally Posted by Everyday Hunter
Originally Posted by Plinker
We want A CERTIFIED COPY OF THE DEATH CERTIFICATE! laugh

Who would you want to certify it? What would "certification" mean? If you saw such a certified copy, how would you know it's authentic?

Steve

DOOD! It was said in jest. See the smilie? wink Lighten up man! grin Celebrate! Bin Laden is dead!

Sorry. And sorry I didn't see your reply sooner -- out turkey hunting this morning. No, I didn't see the smilie. Guess I have to pay closer attention. On the other hand, you weren't the only one to bring up a death cert. Has everyone said it in jest?

Carry on.

Steve
Get "The Donald" on it - he's the one to get to the bottom of it all and find out the real truth!

Then - after it's written up in the National Enquirer we can all rest easy!
Posted By: djs Re: OBL....am I the only one.... - 05/03/11
Unless his long-form birth certificate is produced, I'll question whether he ever existed.
Originally Posted by djs
Unless his long-form birth certificate is produced, I'll question whether he ever existed.


Good point. I hope The Donald gets on this.
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I am waiting proof.
Glad you reminded me. The locus of my argument is simple: that OBL was killed by A USN SEAL Team and nothing more. As to the clusterphuck this inept administration has made of what should have been a cut and dry story, well, that's another story, but to even as a joke hint OBL's been in some freezer or some other idiotic BS as some have written here is my point. And anybody that does not believe the simple fact he is dead is delusional.

What evidence do we have the OSB was killed?
Posted By: 700LH Re: OBL....am I the only one.... - 05/05/11
Originally Posted by Spanokopitas

What evidence do we have the OSB was killed?


Much better question is, what evidence do YOU have that he isn't?

I have none but it is incumbent on those who come out of nothing and say he is to prove it.

Evidence other than BHO's prognostications would be helpful. I didn't believe him before last Sunday and I don't believe him now.

Do you?

Posted By: 700LH Re: OBL....am I the only one.... - 05/05/11
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Do you?


If all we had was BHO's word then no, I would not believe.

Seems to me that is all we have at this time.
I love this clip from Four Lions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmJq-x3Ji1Y&NR=1
Posted By: 700LH Re: OBL....am I the only one.... - 05/05/11
Originally Posted by Spanokopitas

Seems to me that is all we have at this time.

If you say so,,then I reckon everything else is just faked like the moon landing was.

I didn't say anything is fake, just that there is no credible evidence that it isn't.
Originally Posted by ltppowell
...and while it is not the "American way" to be cowardly and treasonous (as our Government Politicians have become), it is the American way to be respectful...even when we kill our enemies.

not always pat, we have taken scalps, ears, and other trinkets through the years. Not by government policy, but in fact.
^^^^^Yup. In fact, the "No Trophy" concept is less than 40 years old.

What's wrong with his head on a pike?
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