Well...I cant really figure out how people miss this point?
I mean, I keep hearing about how the governments gonna take away "assault rifles" and I have always said they cant and wont try again.
That this isnt 1993 and more people of different walks of life own black rifles than in 1993.
So if I am understanding this... a middle aged white woman, school teacher, divorced with 2 adult children owns multiple automatic handguns AND at least one AR-15.
I mean regardless of the horrific actions taken by her son, doesnt it show that the black rifle is so prolific in our culture now, so popular amongst people of all walks of life that a ban on them would be a futile act?
Automatic handguns??? Where does that come from??
and handgun is considered an automatic. VS a revolver. Not a "select fire" like a G18. A STD clip fed pistol is called automatic.
Automatic handguns??? Where does that come from??
One more instance showing Ringworm's troll background and origin.
Automatic handguns??? Where does that come from??
I thought the same thing. Please call it a semi-automatic handgun. We all know it loads automatically after it fires a round but doesn't fire continually after that. Don't feed the Antis.
Pretty sure it was a slip while posting fast;)
WTF are you talking about? What "automatic weapons? And accoding to you, apparently, white middle aged school teachers should not be allowed to own handguns and rifles.
Our household has a gun safe full of weapons and a middle aged white female school teacher. My son(s) would have to kill me to get to those guns if they were on a rampage. Wait... that's what happened.
Maybe this mother is the hero. Maybe she was killed trying to stop her son from taking her weapons.
She was a single woman living alone with a child in an upscale community - the perfect target for burglary and home invasion.
and handgun is considered an automatic. VS a revolver. Not a "select fire" like a G18. A STD clip fed pistol is called automatic.
By whom?? Other than you, that is. You libs sure like to screw things up, huh. You work for some of the lamestream news media??
The only thing that is automatic is the Gun Ban Democrats jumping on these tragic shooting to push their agenda .
WTF are you talking about? What "automatic weapons? And accoding to you, apparently, white middle aged school teachers should not be allowed to own handguns and rifles.
Our household has a gun safe full of weapons and a middle aged white female school teacher. My son(s) would have to kill me to get to those guns if they were on a rampage. Wait... that's what happened.
Maybe this mother is the hero. Maybe she was killed trying to stop her son from taking her weapons.
She was a single woman living alone with a child in an upscale community - the perfect target for burglary and home invasion.
you missed the point. i think it's great.
I am saying how do you ban a weapon when everyone owns them.
And for the record...its an automatic handgun. Like the term or not thats what it is. The term you think I am refering to is machine pistol. Most guys over 40 know this. In fact as a kid there were ONLY revolvers and pistols. And everyone seemed to know what that meant and that revolvers were not pistols, they were revolvers.
Wrong again. Dude, don't be purposely stupid.
ACP - Automatic Colt Pistol, "Colt's Army Automatic" - see it is common parlance - get over it already.
I would love to hear the circumstances involved with the woman 's ownership of the guns.
The first thing that came to my mind, was 'straw purchase', to appease her psychotic child.
I would love to hear the circumstances involved with the woman 's ownership of the guns.
The first thing that came to my mind, was 'straw purchase', to appease her psychotic child.
Yyyyyyup!
You are an idiot - it is not an automatic weapon. Many semi's are double-action semi's, requiring a full pull of the trigger, just like a revolver. No different.
I would love to hear the circumstances involved with the woman 's ownership of the guns.
The first thing that came to my mind, was 'straw purchase', to appease her psychotic child.
Your first thought would be wrong. Was the second thing that came your mind "SQUIRREL!"? According to her friends, she was an active shooter and collector.
Well, I remember when two kids were caught in NJ before they could do a planned school shooting, in the news media, the local sheriff's office was saying they seized " two high magazine capacity assault rifles at the home of the two boys"..
and there was a deputy, holding up a 10/22 ( without anything bigger than its factory 10 round clip) and a 30/30...
but you guys didn't know to the liberal left, that grandpa's 30/30 was a high capacity assault weapon, did ya?
or that a 10/22 was also an assault weapon...
these morons probably have a blind kid with a sling shot on their list of 'threats to society' that they need to eliminate for their socialist eutopia they have planned..
You are an idiot - it is not an automatic weapon. Many semi's are double-action semi's, requiring a full pull of the trigger, just like a revolver. No different.
who's the idiot. you trying to increase your post count or what? your arguing over something so stupid as phraseology. Like how back east we call people like you [bleep] and around there they probably just call you dumbass. Samie-same.
What you fail to grasp is not WHAT IT IS... but what the common reference, and accepted technical term for IT IS.
As in ACP. 45 ACP? ringing any fkin bells? you too stupid or to young to know what the fk ACP stands for, probably both.
See fkstick...
In the real world a pistol is described as its action type.
A pistol that fires many rounds by one pull is called a MACHINE PISTOL, not an automatic handgun.
Now go grab some vasaline and pull your fking head out of your azz and quit insulting people who have had hair on thier balls since your momma wore a training bra.
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I would love to hear the circumstances involved with the woman 's ownership of the guns.
The first thing that came to my mind, was 'straw purchase', to appease her psychotic child.
+1
Too many are already hiding behind the second ammendment and diverting the tragedy to tiny arguments over definitions of magazine capacity.
Take responsibility.
It was the gun owners fault.
Here is a post on the topic:
Evil in Connecticut
I would love to hear the circumstances involved with the woman 's ownership of the guns.
The first thing that came to my mind, was 'straw purchase', to appease her psychotic child.
Your first thought would be wrong. Was the second thing that came your mind "SQUIRREL!"? According to her friends, she was an active shooter and collector.
you write that silliness, and then have the chutzpah to call Bob an idiot? Laughable.
The first thing that came to my mind, was 'straw purchase', to appease her psychotic child.
Or simply because he was too young to purchase them himself.
Penny
I would love to hear the circumstances involved with the woman 's ownership of the guns.
The first thing that came to my mind, was 'straw purchase', to appease her psychotic child.
That was my first thought � pure conjecture � but I was wrong.
From the
Washington Post �
NEWTOWN, Conn. � Adam Lanza lived among guns.
His mother, Nancy, collected them. She showed them off to her landscaper.
�Guns were her hobby,� said Dan Holmes, the landscaper of Nancy Lanza�s sprawling yard here on the edge of town. �She told me she liked the single-mindedness of shooting.�
Holmes said she even spoke of taking her son to the firing range to practice his aim.
As details of her son�s troubled life trickled out Saturday, the day after he gunned down 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School and his mother at their home, the portrait emerging is one of a detached killer who knew his way around a trigger and of a family that feared outsiders in the home.
Holmes said Nancy Lanza, who was divorced and had reportedly worked in finance, never invited him inside. She would pay him in the yard. The landscaper never laid eyes on Adam Lanza, a skinny, withdrawn, socially awkward 20-year-old who excelled in academics but apparently not in forming deep friendships.
�I would ring the bell on the front door, and she would come out the side and meet me,� he said. �It was a little weird. It�s stranger now thinking back on what happened.�
When she wanted to show Holmes an antique rifle, she proudly brought the gun � in its case � outside. How many guns Nancy had is not clear, though authorities say several were registered to her, including the ones used in the massacre.
Her former sister-in law, Marsha Lanza, told the Chicago Sun-Times outside her home in Crystal Lake, Ill., that Nancy Lanza wanted guns for protection. �She prepared for the worst,� Marsha Lanza told the newspaper. �I didn�t know that they [the guns] would be used on her.�
Members of Nancy Lanza�s regular neighborhood dice game never got inside her home, either � not in 15 years of regular games. Rhonda Collens, a frequent player in the game, said that while the group�s weekly get-togethers moved from house to house, Nancy Lanza�s was always skipped. She never met Adam Lanza, and Nancy never spoke of her children. Adam has an older brother, Ryan Lanza, who lives in New Jersey and works for the accounting firm Ernst & Young.
Asked about Nancy Lanza�s guns, Collens said, �I had no idea she liked that stuff,� adding, �she was a nice lady, very pleasant.�
Adam Lanza�s acquaintances continued coming forward with what they knew about a young man who to many seemed unknowable. They described him as a loner, shy, brilliant, interested in gaming and computers, though seemingly without a digital footprint on social networks. It was not known whether he had a job.
Kate Leen, 21, attended seventh and eighth grade with Lanza and remembers him as very shy.
�You would say �hi,� and he would say �hi� back, but he didn�t give you a lot to work with,� said Leen, who now attends Hofstra University in New York.
In high school he dressed in khaki shorts and pants and wore oversize button-down shirts. He carried a briefcase instead of a backpack.
�He wasn�t exactly extra welcoming,� Leen said.
Marsha Moskowitz, his middle-school bus driver, didn�t remember Adam Lanza having any friends on the bus. �He was very, very quiet, reserved, shy, kept to himself,� she said. �He�d say hello and goodbye, and that was about it.�
Although private, the family wasn�t isolated.
Acquaintances recall that Nancy Lanza was a regular presence at My Place, the town watering hole and eatery. She liked craft beers, Holmes said.
�I guess now we�ll all be looking a little bit closer at things,� Holmes said, �though she seemed a normal, everyday lady.�
i have a friend who has a son who is not right in the head, they don't invite people into their home because of him. he doesn't do well around people he doesn't know.
who's the idiot. you trying to increase your post count or what? your arguing over something so stupid as phraseology. Like how back east we call people like you [bleep] and around there they probably just call you dumbass. Samie-same.
What you fail to grasp is not WHAT IT IS... but what the common reference, and accepted technical term for IT IS.
As in ACP. 45 ACP? ringing any fkin bells? you too stupid or to young to know what the fk ACP stands for, probably both.
See fkstick...
In the real world a pistol is described as its action type.
A pistol that fires many rounds by one pull is called a MACHINE PISTOL, not an automatic handgun.
Now go grab some vasaline and pull your fking head out of your azz and quit insulting people who have had hair on thier balls since your momma wore a training bra.
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I'd have to say you've proven your point on the phraseology issue.
With the help of Colt and Ruger themselves.
And I understand your point on the ubiquitousness of the black rifle making any proposed ban problematic.
About sixty years ago, I used to work with a man who had a grown son whom he and his wife kept shackled and locked-up, apparently with the approval of everyone who knew that family.
It was possible at that time to commit him to an institution for the insane, but his parents preferred to keep him in their home.
I never knew whether he could've been a threat to others, or was "only" a threat to himself.
Everybody whom I knew considered the situation lamentable but not cruel or insensitive.
Unconscionable. He wasn't allowed to vote dimocrap?
Unconscionable. He wasn't allowed to vote dimocrap?
No, I think that they loved him too much to let him disgrace himself.
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NEWTOWN, Conn. � Adam Lanza lived among guns.
His mother, Nancy, collected them. She showed them off to her landscaper. �
Y'know, the longer that I ponder this, the more that I wonder whether her own mind set
re guns was all that healthful.
and handgun is considered an automatic. VS a revolver. Not a "select fire" like a G18. A STD clip fed pistol is called automatic.
Its a Semi Automatic Pistol or a revolver, one or the other.
JD338
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NEWTOWN, Conn. � Adam Lanza lived among guns.
His mother, Nancy, collected them. She showed them off to her landscaper. �
Y'know, the longer that I ponder this, the more that I wonder whether her own mind set
re guns was all that healthful.
Feel the same way.
I would love to hear the circumstances involved with the woman 's ownership of the guns.
The first thing that came to my mind, was 'straw purchase', to appease her psychotic child.
Your first thought would be wrong. Was the second thing that came your mind "SQUIRREL!"? According to her friends, she was an active shooter and collector.
There's way too much contradictory bullshyt out there to assume he's wrong or that what you heard allegedly from one or some of her friends is correct.
Another quote I heard was that she bought the handguns because "she was alone in a large house". Doesn't sound like a "active collector" to me. Especially since we haven't heard the inevitable "She has 25 assault rifles and automatic handguns!!" from the media.
No, I've said since this happened that it is most likely that she bought at least the AR for her Simple Jack son. She was obviously one of those mothers who overcompensated for her sped son's problems by blaming herself and giving into his every whim. Why else refuse to allow the public school to put him in Special Education, and instead take him out and home school him. Denial, denial, denial.
A single mother elementary teacher into AR's? Laughin, possible, yes, probable no....
Y'know, the longer that I ponder this, the more that I wonder whether her own mind set re guns was all that healthful.
Why do you say that? Nothing I've read her would set her apart from many folks on here??
and handgun is considered an automatic. VS a revolver. Not a "select fire" like a G18. A STD clip fed pistol is called automatic.
Well, it might be in your universe.
Ringworm is too ignorant to realize that the word "automatic" refers to automatic loading and not automatic firing. I'm sure that he doesn't know the difference, being a little handicapped himself.
yeah ... ok. talk to Websters dolt.
WTF are you talking about? What "automatic weapons? And accoding to you, apparently, white middle aged school teachers should not be allowed to own handguns and rifles.
Our household has a gun safe full of weapons and a middle aged white female school teacher. My son(s) would have to kill me to get to those guns if they were on a rampage. Wait... that's what happened.
Maybe this mother is the hero. Maybe she was killed trying to stop her son from taking her weapons.
She was a single woman living alone with a child in an upscale community - the perfect target for burglary and home invasion.
you missed the point. i think it's great.
I am saying how do you ban a weapon when everyone owns them.
And for the record...its an automatic handgun. Like the term or not thats what it is. The term you think I am refering to is machine pistol. Most guys over 40 know this. In fact as a kid there were ONLY revolvers and pistols. And everyone seemed to know what that meant and that revolvers were not pistols, they were revolvers.
I see what Ringworm is getting at. Back a loooooong time ago they may have refered to them as such: The ACP in 45 ACP stands for "Automatic" Colt pistol.....We know it's not truly an automatic weapon but that's what they used to refer to them as....
Bigbuck215 thinks self cleaning ovens turn on and clean themselves when they get dirty as well.
He's just the product of the current generation who has to have everything explained to them if its not drawn out in crayon or on a phone ap.
He broke his foot trying to kick start a motorcycle once.
Hey, Puke, I have owned semi-automatic handguns for more than sixty years and have yet to have one with a "clip." Share your extreme intelligence here and describe what this "clip" thing is and how you use it.
and handgun is considered an automatic. VS a revolver. Not a "select fire" like a G18. A STD clip fed pistol is called automatic.
Auotmatic is a anti gunner hate phrase. They are semi auto not to be confuse with machine guns which the liberal haters want.
Yup
Automatic is in the name, often misconstrued as function by the ignorant.
I would love to hear the circumstances involved with the woman 's ownership of the guns.
The first thing that came to my mind, was 'straw purchase', to appease her psychotic child.
Your first thought would be wrong. Was the second thing that came your mind "SQUIRREL!"? According to her friends, she was an active shooter and collector.
If he used her guns, she was an active idiot without a decent gun safe.
If he used her guns, she was an active idiot without a decent gun safe.
Supposing he had to kill her to get her guns?
I'm not sure we will ever know the full story, but right now, most accounts are little more the conjecture/speculation..
60 Minutes just did a segment on the shooting....
and handgun is considered an automatic. VS a revolver. Not a "select fire" like a G18. A STD clip fed pistol is called automatic.
They are semi auto not to be confuse with machine guns which the liberal haters want.
I would not worry a bit about the phrases we use, the libtard's are such stupid [bleep]'s they see a shotgun and call it an assault weapon, see an AR and call it a machine gun, see a sub-machine gun and call it an M4 and call revolvers saturday night specials. Quite simple, they don't know [bleep] about anything.
I understood what ringworm implied in the first post, if she truly bought the rifle for herself and used it, it makes a great statement to the public in general, but time will tell why she had the firearms.
What it shows is you had a school teacher that was into guns and shooting, and yet failed to keep them secure!
You had a school teacher who one would think should be able to recognize problems within kids, and yet failed appearently to recognize problems with her own kid.
Put together not only she paid the price, but a whole lot of the little ones she had charge of! Not to mention so many of the town, and the country!
Phil
Y'know, the longer that I ponder this, the more that I wonder whether her own mind set re guns was all that healthful.
Why do you say that? �
Because the longer that I ponder this, the more that I wonder whether her own mind set
re guns was all that healthful.
Y'know, the longer that I ponder this, the more that I wonder whether her own mind set re guns was all that healthful.
Why do you say that? �
Obviously, if you read ALL of this earlier post, you didn't sense in it anything like what I felt.
�'est la vie.
From the
Washington Post �
NEWTOWN, Conn. � Adam Lanza lived among guns.
His mother, Nancy, collected them. She showed them off to her landscaper.
�Guns were her hobby,� said Dan Holmes, the landscaper of Nancy Lanza�s sprawling yard here on the edge of town. �She told me she liked the single-mindedness of shooting.�
Holmes said she even spoke of taking her son to the firing range to practice his aim.
As details of her son�s troubled life trickled out Saturday, the day after he gunned down 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School and his mother at their home, the portrait emerging is one of a detached killer who knew his way around a trigger and of a family that feared outsiders in the home.
Holmes said Nancy Lanza, who was divorced and had reportedly worked in finance, never invited him inside. She would pay him in the yard. The landscaper never laid eyes on Adam Lanza, a skinny, withdrawn, socially awkward 20-year-old who excelled in academics but apparently not in forming deep friendships.
�I would ring the bell on the front door, and she would come out the side and meet me,� he said. �It was a little weird. It�s stranger now thinking back on what happened.�
When she wanted to show Holmes an antique rifle, she proudly brought the gun � in its case � outside. How many guns Nancy had is not clear, though authorities say several were registered to her, including the ones used in the massacre.
Her former sister-in law, Marsha Lanza, told the Chicago Sun-Times outside her home in Crystal Lake, Ill., that Nancy Lanza wanted guns for protection. �She prepared for the worst,� Marsha Lanza told the newspaper. �I didn�t know that they [the guns] would be used on her.�
Members of Nancy Lanza�s regular neighborhood dice game never got inside her home, either � not in 15 years of regular games. Rhonda Collens, a frequent player in the game, said that while the group�s weekly get-togethers moved from house to house, Nancy Lanza�s was always skipped. She never met Adam Lanza, and Nancy never spoke of her children. Adam has an older brother, Ryan Lanza, who lives in New Jersey and works for the accounting firm Ernst & Young.
Asked about Nancy Lanza�s guns, Collens said, �I had no idea she liked that stuff,� adding, �she was a nice lady, very pleasant.�
Adam Lanza�s acquaintances continued coming forward with what they knew about a young man who to many seemed unknowable. They described him as a loner, shy, brilliant, interested in gaming and computers, though seemingly without a digital footprint on social networks. It was not known whether he had a job.
Kate Leen, 21, attended seventh and eighth grade with Lanza and remembers him as very shy.
�You would say �hi,� and he would say �hi� back, but he didn�t give you a lot to work with,� said Leen, who now attends Hofstra University in New York.
In high school he dressed in khaki shorts and pants and wore oversize button-down shirts. He carried a briefcase instead of a backpack.
�He wasn�t exactly extra welcoming,� Leen said.
Marsha Moskowitz, his middle-school bus driver, didn�t remember Adam Lanza having any friends on the bus. �He was very, very quiet, reserved, shy, kept to himself,� she said. �He�d say hello and goodbye, and that was about it.�
Although private, the family wasn�t isolated.
Acquaintances recall that Nancy Lanza was a regular presence at My Place, the town watering hole and eatery. She liked craft beers, Holmes said.
�I guess now we�ll all be looking a little bit closer at things,� Holmes said, �though she seemed a normal, everyday lady.�
You are an idiot - it is not an automatic weapon. Many semi's are double-action semi's, requiring a full pull of the trigger, just like a revolver. No different.
who's the idiot. you trying to increase your post count or what? your arguing over something so stupid as phraseology. Like how back east we call people like you [bleep] and around there they probably just call you dumbass. Samie-same.
What you fail to grasp is not WHAT IT IS... but what the common reference, and accepted technical term for IT IS.
As in ACP. 45 ACP? ringing any fkin bells? you too stupid or to young to know what the fk ACP stands for, probably both.
See fkstick...
In the real world a pistol is described as its action type.
A pistol that fires many rounds by one pull is called a MACHINE PISTOL, not an automatic handgun.
Now go grab some vasaline and pull your fking head out of your azz and quit insulting people who have had hair on thier balls since your momma wore a training bra.
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In 1911, they were called an automatic. In 2012, they are called a semi-automatic. A fully-automatic handgun is called a sub-machine gun because of the caliber of ammunition it shoots.
So I guess your idea is that since it fires once with a pull of a trigger that makes it semi-auto and if it fires more than once with each trigger pull its automatic...
Hmmmm.
So my Colt Python is a semi-auto?
A fully automatic handgun is a machine pistol.
A sub machine gun is a usually a carbine fining a round less than intermediate with FA or select fire capability.
Ie... An M16 A2 is an assault rifle, a MP5 SD or a thompson is a submachine gun and an MP5 PDW or a MAC-10 is a machine pistol as is a glock 18.
why is it so important for you to school me? you have no fking idea who the fk I am or what i know and have done.
Fking dust eating hick. Go play with your goats.
Good or bad, at least her children visited her. Something I'm sensing also.
Well...I cant really figure out how people miss this point?
I mean, I keep hearing about how the governments gonna take away "assault rifles" and I have always said they cant and wont try again.
That this isnt 1993 and more people of different walks of life own black rifles than in 1993.
So if I am understanding this... a middle aged white woman, school teacher, divorced with 2 adult children owns multiple automatic handguns AND at least one AR-15.
I mean regardless of the horrific actions taken by her son, doesnt it show that the black rifle is so prolific in our culture now, so popular amongst people of all walks of life that a ban on them would be a futile act?
I don't know whether this is just payback or what over posts Ringworm has made in the past but perhaps we should not quarrel amongst ourselves over such a serious subject, saving that for perennial 270 vs. 30-06 debates and whatnot. Ringworm is just a guy I know from the web and not somebody I PM back and forth with or anything, but he isn't Brent D or some other self-identified assclown closet gun hater. Ringworm is always 100% pro 2nd Amendment and guns from what I've seen. Not wagging my finger at anybody and y'all can do what you want, but I'm just offering up a thought...
To the gist of the original post...Ringworm, I think you may draw an erroneous conclusion from a point you didn't miss. Dispensing with PC, how many female teachers in Connecticut, one of the most anti-gun states extant, own an "arsenal" that has in it an AR-15? I want to hear how the authorities spin this.
We all know that to the anti's maybe five or six guns can be an "arsenal". Maybe as was alluded to, she was not some man-hater and saw her son going gay or something. Maybe she was trying to man him up and encourage one of his interests that she felt was healthy. I have no idea but the whole story of her having all these guns just doesn't add up. I mean, possibly but by no means probably. It reeks of being concocted in some government agency back room. Sorry for the tinfoil, but I always go with the odds and the odds here aren't good that a middle-aged divorced female schoolteacher in one of the most anti-gun states in the union, was a gun collector who had an AR.
People buy AR's to compensate for something. I would assume perhaps fear plays arole. Sure as sh.. ain't buying them for their usefulness or aesthetics.
I watch people buy all kinds of stupid sh...
Yes,i am a gun snob. I still wonder about people that buy those things.
Ct. Is not anti gun. There are more gunheads there than any place in this country.
I mean, possibly but by no means probably. It reeks of being concocted in some government agency back room. Sorry for the tinfoil, but I always go with the odds and the odds here aren't good that a middle-aged divorced female schoolteacher in one of the most anti-gun states in the union, was a gun collector who had an AR.
It does smell of wet paint, dont it?
Ct. Is not anti gun. There are more gunheads there than any place in this country.
Yes, Connecticut is antigun as far as the laws governing firearms. One must assume that the people there are predominately anti-gun to put up with such things. Connecticut is ranked seventh, tied with Maryland, as having the "best" gun laws according to the Brady Campaign.
http://www.christiangunowner.com/worst_gun_laws.html
Its obvious some parents make serious mistakes in owning guns. Years ago I was delivering my young daughter to her tutor when a 15 year old walked up to my van & pointed a rifle in my face. I was legally armed, but since he was with a group of younger kids it appeared he was showing off. I jumped out of my van & snatched the rifle out of his hands. It turned out to be an unloaded pellet rifle. I retained the rifle & when delivering my daughter asked where this kids parents lived. I was told this kid was mentally handicapped & left alone after school for about an hour until a parent arrived. The tutor pleaded with me to not call the cops & immediately called a parent at their work place. What kind of parents would allow a mentally challenged kid to carry a pellet rifle & be left alone? I continued to deliver my daughter to the tutor for over a year, but never saw the kid again. Hopefully, the parents took appropriate action.
WTF? She was weird, with a weird kid. What's so weird about that? Nobody would give a sh..if he hadn't got his hands on those guns and killed other
Peoples children.
I mean, possibly but by no means probably. It reeks of being concocted in some government agency back room. Sorry for the tinfoil, but I always go with the odds and the odds here aren't good that a middle-aged divorced female schoolteacher in one of the most anti-gun states in the union, was a gun collector who had an AR.
It does smell of wet paint, dont it?
I'm just calling it as I see it. As I said, I can think of plausible explanations, but they are possibilities as opposed to probabilities. The tinfoil thing will go nowhere because people in this country are easily duped whether it be to believe the most crackpot bs about a CIA director having a stroke on the eve of testifying or on the other hand aliens having a secret portal in Oolagah Lake. Even known conspiracies like Fast and Furious just die out because the MSM only pushes what their owners want.
WTF? She was weird, with a weird kid. What's so weird about that? Nobody would give a sh..if he hadn't got his hands on those guns and killed other
Peoples children.
You're not going by the numbers. Whether it's in Blackjack or real life, anytime you don't go by the numbers you're increasing risk. In this case, the risk is being wrong.
It's already been explained. Weird people with weird kids aren't the norm by that very definition. This whole situation as has been thus far "explained", is strange.
and handgun is considered an automatic. VS a revolver. Not a "select fire" like a G18. A STD clip fed pistol is called automatic.
They are semi auto not to be confuse with machine guns which the liberal haters want.
I would not worry a bit about the phrases we use, the libtard's are such stupid [bleep]'s they see a shotgun and call it an assault weapon, see an AR and call it a machine gun, see a sub-machine gun and call it an M4 and call revolvers saturday night specials. Quite simple, they don't know [bleep] about anything.
I understood what ringworm implied in the first post, if she truly bought the rifle for herself and used it, it makes a great statement to the public in general, but time will tell why she had the firearms.
a 15 year old walked up to my van & pointed a rifle in my face.
FK!
Tard or not...somebody would have gotten the Red Ryder colostomy.
Definatly not my underwear, definatly.
I guess your reaction shows what you'd do if it wasnt a prank, huh? What level of training do you call that? The "chit your front seat and hope your life insurance is paid up" defence?
FK!
And you people are gonna defend the 2nd ammendment.
I dont know if I would have told that, son.
WTF? She was weird, with a weird kid. What's so weird about that? Nobody would give a sh..if he hadn't got his hands on those guns and killed other
Peoples children.
Lots of people "give a shixt". Lots of people quietly try to help others while first being responsible for themselves. Lots of others try to control people while being unable to control their own selves. The latter are generically usually called "liberals" and create chaos wherever they are at in-quantity.
There were at one time, mental hospitals in every state. They got to be old and run down. There were constant charges of abuse and neglect. The methods used against the patients were barbaric and non-selective. IOW it was time for a change. Back during the eighties, just to generalize, the Psychological School of Psychopharmacology came to the fore as the way mental illness was being treated. Basically the patients were drugged into submission and then released creating much less strain on an already overloaded system and allowing many mental facilities to be closed down and not replaced. One of the problems with this was a lack of supervision and the tendency of unsupervised patients to think they were cured and no longer needed their medication. After a time off the meds, they almost always return to exhibiting the behaviors that got them medicated in the first place and in the old days would've gotten them institutionalized.
WTF? She was weird, with a weird kid. What's so weird about that? Nobody would give a sh..if he hadn't got his hands on those guns and killed other
Peoples children.
Do you know the mother?
Where are the facts?
And here all this time, I've been thinking that a semi auto was a motor bike! Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuh!
It ain't easy bein' senile � especially when you go 'way back as the prototype of the industrial-strength dumb ass.
People buy AR's to compensate for something. I would assume perhaps fear plays arole. Sure as sh.. ain't buying them for their usefulness or aesthetics.
I watch people buy all kinds of stupid sh...
Yes,i am a gun snob. I still wonder about people that buy those things.
what's the usefulness of a Harley Davidson motocycle. A person could get rained on, why not just drive a '76 Duster ? Those people must be compensating too, huh?
People buy 'stupid [bleep]' because they have disposable income to do so, a luxury, a toy.
Why, a gun snob as yourself would be-(should be) as happy as a pig in chit with Remington 770/ plastic stock or a Savage Axis in 270. You don't need your snob guns really? Unless you too have the small pee-pee syndrome you're trying to compensate for.
So I guess your idea is that since it fires once with a pull of a trigger that makes it semi-auto and if it fires more than once with each trigger pull its automatic...
Hmmmm.
So my Colt Python is a semi-auto?
A fully automatic handgun is a machine pistol.
A sub machine gun is a usually a carbine fining a round less than intermediate with FA or select fire capability.
Ie... An M16 A2 is an assault rifle, a MP5 SD or a thompson is a submachine gun and an MP5 PDW or a MAC-10 is a machine pistol as is a glock 18.
why is it so important for you to school me? you have no fking idea who the fk I am or what i know and have done.
Fking dust eating hick. Go play with your goats.
Here ya go [bleep] from Merriam Webster:
sub�ma�chine gun
noun \ˌsəb-mə-ˈshēn-ˌgən\
Definition of SUBMACHINE GUN
: a portable automatic firearm that uses pistol-type ammunition and is fired from the shoulder or hip
From Wiki:
A submachine gun (SMG) is an automatic carbine, designed to fire pistol cartridges.
From the Free dictionary.com:
sub�ma�chine gun (sbm-shn)
n.
A lightweight automatic gun that shoots pistol ammunition, is usually fired from the shoulder or hip, and often has the capacity for shooting single rounds.
From the ALGC:
"By definition, submachine guns discharge pistol caliber cartridges only."
From guncite.com:
"Submachine guns are fully automatic weapons that fire a handgun cartridge and can be operated by one person."
Sorryto be forced to school you -- but from a basic firearm education perspective, the function of a semi-auto from an automatic is a different as a single action revolver is to a double action revolver. Whether or not a weapon has single capability means nothing if the weapon can be set to fire fully automatic. If you can pull and hold the trigger and empty the magazine, it's an automatic. If you pull and hold the trigger and it fires once AND automatically loads a new cartridge into the firing chamber, it is semi-automatic.
People buy AR's to compensate for something. I would assume perhaps fear plays arole. Sure as sh.. ain't buying them for their usefulness or aesthetics.
I watch people buy all kinds of stupid sh...
Yes,i am a gun snob. I still wonder about people that buy those things.
Sounds like you are a halfwit as well....please stop attributing your inadequacies to others, they are yours alone.
So own them and stop being so God-awful bloody annoying.
Whenever a certain gun fires the same cartridge as another, regularly shoots small groups, endures abuse and harsh conditions well, and reliably renders trouble-free function, some of us worry less than others about their �sthetics.
And some times, a "lawn sprinkler" rate of fire is useful against a single frantically zig-zagging 'yote. Seldom does a prey critter pose like a calendar painting out there far beyond the muzzle.
and handgun is considered an automatic. VS a revolver. Not a "select fire" like a G18. A STD clip fed pistol is called automatic.
Never seen a clip fed pistol, all of mine use a magazine. I'd love to see some pics of your clip fed pistols.
So I guess your idea is that since it fires once with a pull of a trigger that makes it semi-auto and if it fires more than once with each trigger pull its automatic...
Hmmmm.
So my Colt Python is a semi-auto?
A fully automatic handgun is a machine pistol.
A sub machine gun is a usually a carbine fining a round less than intermediate with FA or select fire capability.
Ie... An M16 A2 is an assault rifle, a MP5 SD or a thompson is a submachine gun and an MP5 PDW or a MAC-10 is a machine pistol as is a glock 18.
why is it so important for you to school me? you have no fking idea who the fk I am or what i know and have done.
Fking dust eating hick. Go play with your goats.
leave goats out of this, I LIKE my pigmy goats, and they have never harmed anything, except my back yard, the house, the trees, plastic, cords, and stuff, but IT ISN'T THEIR FAULT, THEY ARE MISUNDERSTOOD.
Automatic handguns??? Where does that come from??
One more instance showing Ringworm's troll background and origin.
Ringworm is right. The 1911 is referred to as a automatic. The nomenclature for the ammo is .45 automatic not .45ACP. But even .45ACP stands for automatic Colt pistol.
I suppose the term semi-automatic came about after the invention of the Thompson sub machine gun and the Browning Automatic Rifle.
WTF are you talking about? What "automatic weapons? And accoding to you, apparently, white middle aged school teachers should not be allowed to own handguns and rifles.
Our household has a gun safe full of weapons and a middle aged white female school teacher. My son(s) would have to kill me to get to those guns if they were on a rampage. Wait... that's what happened.
Maybe this mother is the hero. Maybe she was killed trying to stop her son from taking her weapons.
She was a single woman living alone with a child in an upscale community - the perfect target for burglary and home invasion.
You miss Ringworm's point.
WTF are you talking about? What "automatic weapons? And accoding to you, apparently, white middle aged school teachers should not be allowed to own handguns and rifles.
Our household has a gun safe full of weapons and a middle aged white female school teacher. My son(s) would have to kill me to get to those guns if they were on a rampage. Wait... that's what happened.
Maybe this mother is the hero. Maybe she was killed trying to stop her son from taking her weapons.
She was a single woman living alone with a child in an upscale community - the perfect target for burglary and home invasion.
You miss Ringworm's point.
I didn't miss his point about the market penetration of AR's and clones in America. I agree with the point that confiscation of the millions of "assault rifles" in private collections would be very difficult..
I have a huge problem when we allow the liberals intentionally misleading nomenclature to be used without challenge. In order to own an automatic firearm in this country, you must have an FFL. They are already highly regulated. Semi-automatics have been freely available to law-abiding citizens for over 100 years. Don't confuse the two, whether through laziness or surrendering the point. There are libs still running around talking about the "gun-show loophole" and we all know that is complete bullshiite. That loophole was closed a decade ago.
Challenge the lies, the deceit and the attempts to diasarm law-abiding free people at every turn.
I mean, possibly but by no means probably. It reeks of being concocted in some government agency back room. Sorry for the tinfoil, but I always go with the odds and the odds here aren't good that a middle-aged divorced female schoolteacher in one of the most anti-gun states in the union, was a gun collector who had an AR.
It does smell of wet paint, dont it?
I'm just calling it as I see it. As I said, I can think of plausible explanations, but they are possibilities as opposed to probabilities. The tinfoil thing will go nowhere because people in this country are easily duped whether it be to believe the most crackpot bs about a CIA director having a stroke on the eve of testifying or on the other hand aliens having a secret portal in Oolagah Lake. Even known conspiracies like Fast and Furious just die out because the MSM only pushes what their owners want.
I've been saying for a long time these mass murders with guns is national government sponsored.
The government failed with Fast and Furious, the Aurora theater murders, but they won one so far with the Sandy Hook murders.
These are all government operations make no mistake about it.
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One right there in my avatar.
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Never seen a clip fed pistol, all of mine use a magazine. I'd love to see some pics of your clip fed pistols.
Automatic handguns??? Where does that come from??
One more instance showing Ringworm's troll background and origin.
I think ringworm is actually a fungus, I have no dog in this fight just biological curiosity
Not wanting to wade into the backwaters of this thread, but I do find these semantic arguments entertaining sometimes.
It matters not at all if the media calls an AR15 an assault rifle or not. Blathering on about what it should and should not be called will mean missing the forest for all the trees.
But that said, my favorite media concoction for this tragedy has been a "semi automatic machine gun". This from Sports Illustrated of all places. Pathetic? yes. Intentional? maybe. Stupid? for sure. Important, I think not.
carry on
Excuse me? Definitional precision is extremely critical when legislating.
Y'know, the longer that I ponder this, the more that I wonder whether her own mind set re guns was all that healthful.
Why do you say that? �
Because the longer that I ponder this, the more that I wonder whether her own mind set
re guns was all that healthful.
Ken,
With respect, you are missing the point..The Press are going to examine all aspects of her private and public life and they going to interview people with the filmiest connection like the paperboy or the delivery guy. When they do this, they are not looking for things that will make her look mundane or ordinary, but rather the opposite. The Press will make sure things sound slightly sinister at least.
At the moment, they are a little stuck because they don't know whether to cast her as a villain or a victim and don't want to jump the wrong way and risk a public backlash..
I say again, she sounds no different to many folks on here and a lot saner than a few!
The Press have an agenda and unfortunately, simply reporting the news in a factual, unbiased manner isn't particularly high on it!
Regards,
Peter
At the moment, they are a little stuck because they don't know whether to cast her as a villain or a victim and don't want to jump the wrong way and risk a public backlash..
Good call.
Paul
The only agenda the press has is to keep you watching through the commercials.
NOTHING MORE.
Automatic handguns??? Where does that come from??
I thought the same thing. Please call it a semi-automatic handgun. We all know it loads automatically after it fires a round but doesn't fire continually after that. Don't feed the Antis.
Pretty sure it was a slip while posting fast;)
When I was a kid they were automatics, levers, pumps, singles and doubles. Lever has always been lever, but now they're semi-auto, slides, break open and over under. What gives? A machine gun is a machine gun. This political "correctmess" is nuckin futz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
� Ken,
With respect, you are missing the point. �
Pard, you've either read something that I
didn't say into what I
did say,
or
you haven't the faintest glimmmer of a clue what I was talking about,
or
both.
I missed whatever point that you're referring-to in the same sense that I missed the point that Sam and Sue Whoo were fighting about, six blocks from some place where I've never been, however-several years ago.
The only point that my post addressed was the point that my post addressed.
The only amphitheater or atmosphere that it pertained-to was only what I referred-to � the weird labyrinth between my ears.
I was neither regarding nor dismissing the "point" of anything that anybody else was discussing right then.
So your comment is as irrelevant as the Trailways schedule between Cheaha and Loachapoka.
� The Press have an agenda and unfortunately, simply reporting the news in a factual, unbiased manner is particularly high on it!
� Ken,
With respect, you are missing the point. �
Pard, you've either read something that I
didn't say into what I
did say,
or
you haven't the faintest glimmmer of a clue what I was talking about,
or
both.
I missed whatever point that you're referring-to in the same sense that I missed the point that Sam and Sue Whoo were fighting about, six blocks from some place where I've never been, however-several years ago.
The only point that my post addressed was the point that my post addressed.
The only amphitheater or atmosphere that it pertained-to was only what I referred-to � the weird labyrinth between my ears.
I was neither regarding nor dismissing the "point" of anything that anybody else was discussing right then.
So your comment is as irrelevant as the Trailways schedule between Cheaha and Loachapoka.
Convoluted, but I believe that I can assist with simplification......Ken meant to say "[bleep] off and annoy someone else".
Which is really odd for Ken, he is generally much nicer than that....
lauren - Why would it matter who sold her the firearms as long as they were purchased within the law??? Are you really as unbelievably stupid as you seem?
Yeah, I was trying to be nicer � more polite � than I could've been.
No need to be snotty with somebody who's most likely a nice guy when he takes time to think about what somebody else is saying.
It was a big mistake. Wrong gun wrong person. You sell guns?
Just a small issue on the path to 26 dead.
Yeah, I was trying to be nicer � more polite � than I could've been.
No need to be snotty with somebody who's most likely a nice guy when he takes time to think about what somebody else is saying.
Yes, Pete is generally good to read....we all have our moments, God knows I do!
lauren - Why would it matter who sold her the firearms as long as they were purchased within the law??? Are you really as unbelievably stupid as you seem?
Yes, you have uncovered the ugly truth....Lauren really is as stupid as she/he seems.
ps, it is a touch embarrassing so we try not to draw attention to it.
Not even close............. But ya know what???????????? I am soooooooooooo happy I'm old.....
� The Press have an agenda and unfortunately, simply reporting the news in a factual, unbiased manner is particularly high on it!
Thanks for picking up my typo..I have corrected the original to read as it should..
Pard, you've either read something that I didn't say into what I did say,
or
you haven't the faintest glimmmer of a clue what I was talking about,
or
both.
I missed whatever point that you're referring-to in the same sense that I missed the point that Sam and Sue Whoo were fighting about, six blocks from some place where I've never been, however-several years ago.
The only point that my post addressed was the point that my post addressed.
The only amphitheater or atmosphere that it pertained-to was only what I referred-to � the weird labyrinth between my ears.
I was neither regarding nor dismissing the "point" of anything that anybody else was discussing right then.
So your comment is as irrelevant as the Trailways schedule between Cheaha and Loachapoka.
Guess we are just on a different wave length; I shall leave you to carry on pondering life and the universe in peace..
� The Press have an agenda and unfortunately, simply reporting the news in a factual, unbiased manner is particularly high on it!
Thanks for picking up my typo. I have corrected the original to read as it should.
I hate typos. That's why I spend so much time in "Preview Post" and "Edit" � some times longer than it took me to fumble-peck the draft in the first place � before I punch "Submit."
That particular typo is one that I'm especially susceptible to.
Some times, if I know that the post is going to be longer than I feel that I'm good-for right then, I do it first in Microsoft Word, get it right (often in two or more visits), then C&P it onto the 'fire. Even then, I often spot typos in what I've just imported.
'Tain't easy bein' clumsy. Sux, in fact.
RE the topic of the lady, her guns and mentally incapacitated son. Where was her safe? Did she have one? Did the kid know the combination? A lot of questions, few answers to date.
People buy AR's to compensate for something. I would assume perhaps fear plays arole. Sure as sh.. ain't buying them for their usefulness or aesthetics.
I watch people buy all kinds of stupid sh...
Yes,i am a gun snob. I still wonder about people that buy those things.
You are also a fool.
� Ken,
With respect, you are missing the point. �
Pard, you've either read something that I
didn't say into what I
did say,
or
you haven't the faintest glimmmer of a clue what I was talking about,
or
both.
I missed whatever point that you're referring-to in the same sense that I missed the point that Sam and Sue Whoo were fighting about, six blocks from some place where I've never been, however-several years ago.
The only point that my post addressed was the point that my post addressed.
The only amphitheater or atmosphere that it pertained-to was only what I referred-to � the weird labyrinth between my ears.
I was neither regarding nor dismissing the "point" of anything that anybody else was discussing right then.
So your comment is as irrelevant as the Trailways schedule between Cheaha and Loachapoka.
Convoluted, but I believe that I can assist with simplification......Ken meant to say "[bleep] off and annoy someone else".
Which is really odd for Ken, he is generally much nicer than that....
Really? Ken is an old [bleep], talking head how's kids will not even visit him.
He's about as vile a person as any I know, but he tries to come of as the 'woe is me, I spit my food out and [bleep] in a bag, but I love Christ'
He is living proof that the good die young.
I've always found Ken Howell to be a rational person (although we differ on some issues). You are dead wrong.
I've always considered you to be a liberal, stupid, SOB. Your affirmation of Kenny [bleep] only helps to reaffirm my take on you.
It was a big mistake. Wrong gun wrong person. You sell guns?
Just a small issue on the path to 26 dead.
If I sold a car to parent whose underage daughter later took the keys, drank, got loaded, and then drove into a crowd killing several, what say you then?
its the same thing. (yes, it is)
You are being emotional. Yep. I said it.
Steelie - were you born an azzhole, or did you work to develop that trait?
Mark
She was getting $289.000.00 alimoney from her husband. probably feared him or a hit man would visit her..
I've always considered you to be a liberal, stupid, SOB. Your affirmation of Kenny [bleep] only helps to reaffirm my take on you.
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Toggle the display of this post What a great day, another piece of foul trash weeded out.
and handgun is considered an automatic. VS a revolver. Not a "select fire" like a G18. A STD clip fed pistol is called automatic.
Never seen a clip fed pistol, all of mine use a magazine. I'd love to see some pics of your clip fed pistols.
Here you go...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2a5N7ftQ5ghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQyq5CSuVN8This will convince you there were clip-loaded "automatics".
Very cool, thanks for sharing, although I doubt that's what he was referring to in his post.
I've been reading through this a bit. At the risk of throwing gasoline on it, let me make a couple observations.
I agree that there is something not right in the whole story. I have a son, Junior. He's on the autism scale. He had a lot of impulse problems when he was younger. As he's grown, he has mellowed out tremendously.
Of course, we here at the shamanic hermitage are all shooters. The question was what to with #1 son and firearms. For one thing, we kept to pretty strict standards: Firearms in a locked vault, ammo in another locked cabinet. #1 did not have access to the keys. We saved our shooting trips for the weekends we did not have #1 along. #1 never shot firearms until after he was 21, etc.
I'm sorry, but having gone through over 20 years of this sort of thing and seeing what was at risk, I would have been extremely hesitant to put an unstable kid and firearms together.
Our family firearms training started when the kids were small. I bought #1 and #2 each a Daisy Training Rifle. They had all kinds of toys, but these rifles were different. They had to be treated as real firearms. #2 caught on right away. #1? It was heartbreaking to see you oldest son take everything resembling a gun and put it up to his head and practice suicide. That was it for #1 and firearms.
I did make a point to show #1 a few firearms at times. He was free to ask anytime for a firearm to be brought out to examine. He was mostly bored with it.
Last year, #1 finally had a chance to fire a real firearm on a family outing. I stayed close to him and helped him through it. He shot a 9mm pistol, handed it back to me, and said he was satisfied. He didn't like it and didn't need to try it again. #1 loves the farm, loves coming to Deer Camp. That's about it. My guess is the world is a bit safer for it.
Now, how a mother with a son as disabled as this one-- so bad she's warning the baby sitter not to turn her back-- allow him easy access to her firearm collection is beyond me.
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