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http://m.nypost.com/p/news/local/confessions_of_tsa_agent_we_re_bunch_OhxHeGd0RR9UVGzfypjnLO
Unbelievable......


"Screeners start at $15 per hour, and there is tons of overtime � mainly because they are filling in for the many screeners who don�t bother coming to work. For every 40 hours you work, you receive four hours of vacation and four hours of sick time."


I have never been treated so poorly as we have been treated by TSA and Homeland Security when traveling internationally. I still find it hard to believe that a supposedly free people tolerates their fascist BS.
No suprises in that story. Sadly.
Originally Posted by Dogballs
Unbelievable......

"Screeners start at $15 per hour, and there is tons of overtime � mainly because they are filling in for the many screeners who don�t bother coming to work. For every 40 hours you work, you receive four hours of vacation and four hours of sick time."

Do the math. Factor in a modest amount of OT.

Three questions:
Anyone see a problem with that?
How many here have that kind of time-off?
Can you say "France"?

Steve
It was never designed to keep us safe. Its purpose was prisoner conditioning for the general public. They ultimately want our relationship with the state to be akin to that of prisoners in a minimum security penitentiary vis-a-vis the guards and warden.
Originally Posted by ColKlink
I have never been treated so poorly as we have been treated by TSA and Homeland Security when traveling internationally. I still find it hard to believe that a supposedly free people tolerates their fascist BS.
+1, and soon you won't be able to avoid them, as they are expanding their jurisdiction well beyond the airports.
Originally Posted by ColKlink
I have never been treated so poorly as we have been treated by TSA and Homeland Security when traveling internationally. I still find it hard to believe that a supposedly free people tolerates their fascist BS.


While I won't argue the failure rate, whats the success rate? How many things do they detect and confiscate? You read of folks getting snagged with handguns or ammo they'd forgotten about all the time.....

But of course some folks also hate the fact that they are trying. While it may not nearly be as good as it could be.

Me, I"d personally rather be allowed to carry my handgun on the plane instead of the TSA lines.

But I will say this, while we only fly 1-2 times a year, I"ve NEVER been treated badly by a TSA employee. Every last one was friendly and nice. And I've never had a bad run in with them.

Of course the next time may be a bear.

The WORST I've EVER been treated was by US Customs at the border when we were coming BACK into the US from Alaska. Rude as all get out, no humor, nothing.
Of course I chat wiht border patrol at checkpoints coming out of Laredo a bit now and then and them, to the very last one, have been friendly and courteous.

I often suspect, that yes, there are a few bad ones, its also how you interact with them from the get go.

Same with my job. I'm an inspector and if you walk up and tell me I have no business doing my job and you won't follow the rules etc.... well we'll have a bit of a problem. With me, it will simply be you have a choice, follow or get a citation and stop work order, nothing personal mind you, but we have jobs to do.
Originally Posted by Everyday Hunter
Originally Posted by Dogballs
Unbelievable......

"Screeners start at $15 per hour, and there is tons of overtime � mainly because they are filling in for the many screeners who don�t bother coming to work. For every 40 hours you work, you receive four hours of vacation and four hours of sick time."

Do the math. Factor in a modest amount of OT.

Three questions:
Anyone see a problem with that?
How many here have that kind of time-off?
Can you say "France"?

Steve


Just so you know, that information is inaccurate.


Travis
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by ColKlink
I have never been treated so poorly as we have been treated by TSA and Homeland Security when traveling internationally. I still find it hard to believe that a supposedly free people tolerates their fascist BS.
+1, and soon you won't be able to avoid them, as they are expanding their jurisdiction well beyond the airports.


Do you really fly? I would think that would be your worst nightmare.


Travis
Originally Posted by Dogballs
Unbelievable......


"Screeners start at $15 per hour, and there is tons of overtime � mainly because they are filling in for the many screeners who don�t bother coming to work. For every 40 hours you work, you receive four hours of vacation and four hours of sick time."




Whoever wrote that article needs to check their "facts"...

Leave is accrued bi-weekly...starting Gov. employees receive 4 hours of annual and 4 hours of sick leave per pay period, not weekly (26 pay periods). That equals, if my math is correct, 104 hours of paid vacation a year. After 3 years of service, annual leave is bumped to 6 hours per pay period, or 156 hours per year. After 15 years of service it bumps to 8 hours of annual per period or 208 hours a year. Sick leave never increases, 4 hours per pay period, no matter length of service. Each employee is also only allowed to carry over 240 hours of annual per year...any annual beyond 240 hours is lost after Jan. 1, unpaid.

Also, all leave has got to be approved (sick and annual) by immediate supervisors and supervisors retain the right to not approve leave (both sick and annual). If leave abuses are seen, supervisors can, and should, research and correct the issue.

Carry on.

Originally Posted by ColKlink
I have never been treated so poorly as we have been treated by TSA and Homeland Security when traveling internationally. I still find it hard to believe that a supposedly free people tolerates their fascist BS.


I have a serious question about this.

If I wanted to start an airline (we'll call it "GFA") and I had all my customers sign a waiver and simply did not have security. None. My airline, my passengers, everybody is on the same page. We simply don't give a [bleep]. Armed guards are on every flight, they'll handle whatever happens.

Could somebody do this legally?


Travis
I spent over a year building an airport, with top security clearance.

Consequently, I do NOT feel safe while flying.

That being said, it's not all on the TSA either.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
It was never designed to keep us safe. Its purpose was prisoner conditioning for the general public. They ultimately want our relationship with the state to be akin to that of prisoners in a minimum security penitentiary vis-a-vis the guards and warden.

You're a [bleep] loon.
Originally Posted by BrotherBart
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
It was never designed to keep us safe. Its purpose was prisoner conditioning for the general public. They ultimately want our relationship with the state to be akin to that of prisoners in a minimum security penitentiary vis-a-vis the guards and warden.

You're a [bleep] loon.
I suppose, if I were, I wouldn't know it, so there would be little point in my disputing the assertion, but why do you believe my statement above is incorrect?
I fly in and out of Newark alot, so this one went straight to my facebook. grin
It was done because the Bush Administration was under tremendous pressure to stop future terrorists from boarding planes.
For you to claim anything else is idiotic.
Originally Posted by BrotherBart
It was done because the Bush Administration was under tremendous pressure to stop future terrorists from boarding planes.
For you to claim anything else is idiotic.
I'm not so sure it's nearly as cut and dry as you depict it.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
I'm not so sure it's nearly as cut and dry as you depict it.

Bullshitt... You are a Monday morning quarterback. And the worst thing is that you actually believe ALL of your own nuttiness.
Let me clue you in on something that we all know,except you.
You are an inept little man that shouldn't be allowed to own a computer. Everything you post is crap. EVERYTHING!
I hope the truth hurts.
Originally Posted by ColKlink
I have never been treated so poorly as we have been treated by TSA and Homeland Security when traveling internationally. I still find it hard to believe that a supposedly free people tolerates their fascist BS.


I was treated MUCH worse by security in Turkey, than I have ever been in America by TSA folks. The dang turks held me at machine gun point, while they yelled at me in some foreign language! That was for just having a little pocket knife.
Originally Posted by BrotherBart
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
I'm not so sure it's nearly as cut and dry as you depict it.

Bullshitt... You are a Monday morning quarterback. And the worst thing is that you actually believe ALL of your own nuttiness.
Let me clue you in on something that we all know,except you.
You are an inept little man that shouldn't be allowed to own a computer. Everything you post is crap. EVERYTHING!
I hope the truth hurts.
Truth is what it is, but you have no power over what's true and what's not, not even if you recruit others to buttress your claims, and untruth hurts not at all. wink
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Truth is what it is, but you have no power of what's true and what's not, not even if you recruit others to buttress your claims, and untruth hurts not at all. wink


Wow. ^^^ This shows just how goofy you really are.
Recruit? I don't recruit anything or anyone.
You really are nuttier than a squirrel turd.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
Originally Posted by ColKlink
I have never been treated so poorly as we have been treated by TSA and Homeland Security when traveling internationally. I still find it hard to believe that a supposedly free people tolerates their fascist BS.


I was treated MUCH worse by security in Turkey, than I have ever been in America by TSA folks. The dang turks held me at machine gun point, while they yelled at me in some foreign language! That was for just having a little pocket knife.


I vowed never to visit Turkey after seeing "Midnight Express" as a kid.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher

I was treated MUCH worse by security in Turkey, than I have ever been in America by TSA folks. The dang turks held me at machine gun point, while they yelled at me in some foreign language! That was for just having a little pocket knife.


I had a similar experience in Hong Kong(pre 9-11) that convinced me to leave me pocket knife at home.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher

I was treated MUCH worse by security in Turkey, than I have ever been in America by TSA folks. The dang turks held me at machine gun point, while they yelled at me in some foreign language! That was for just having a little pocket knife.


Had a similar run in with Turkish security when they found a pair of Swarovski 7x42's in my hand luggage..To this day I have no idea what the actual problem was, as I do not speak Turkish, but evidently standing your ground and shouting back in English was enough to "solve" the problem...
Originally Posted by deflave
I have a serious question about this.

If I wanted to start an airline (we'll call it "GFA") and I had all my customers sign a waiver and simply did not have security. None. My airline, my passengers, everybody is on the same page. We simply don't give a [bleep]. Armed guards are on every flight, they'll handle whatever happens.

Could somebody do this legally?


How are your people going to get through the airport to get to your plane? Say "I'm flying GFA", and just walk around the security checkpoint?

How will they connect at the next airport? I don't imagine your little venture is going to service every airport, so they'll need to get on another airline somewhere. Do we just allow them to take their knives, guns, grenades, pepper spray, whatever with them on the next flight?

Then how do they get out of the final destination airport? Just get off the plane and stroll through the airport, intermingled with everybody who HAS been screened?

Repeat all of the above for their checked luggage...

So, even if you could start up your little airline, I foresee you having to build your own separate terminals, in every city, as well.

And that's just for starters.

But hey, don't let those little things stop you. Go for it! laugh
As if we didn't already know that TSA was nothing more than window dressing for bleating sheeple.

But I have to admire the sudden honesty of the former TSA monkey.


Originally Posted by BrotherBart
It was done because the Bush Administration was under tremendous pressure to stop future terrorists from boarding planes.
For you to claim anything else is idiotic.


And you didn't think this apparatus was going to be turned inward on the citizens?

"You're a [bleep] loon."

"I suppose, if I were, I wouldn't know it,..........."

"Do you really fly?"


There's got to be a good joke there somewhere, but darn if I can think of one.
Originally Posted by Rancho_Loco
I spent over a year building an airport, with top security clearance.

Consequently, I do NOT feel safe while flying.

That being said, it's not all on the TSA either.

BFD!
Originally Posted by BuzzH

Leave is accrued bi-weekly...starting Gov. employees receive 4 hours of annual and 4 hours of sick leave per pay period, not weekly (26 pay periods). That equals, if my math is correct, 104 hours of paid vacation a year. After 3 years of service, annual leave is bumped to 6 hours per pay period, or 156 hours per year. After 15 years of service it bumps to 8 hours of annual per period or 208 hours a year. Sick leave never increases, 4 hours per pay period, no matter length of service. Each employee is also only allowed to carry over 240 hours of annual per year...any annual beyond 240 hours is lost after Jan. 1, unpaid.

That is still quite the deal! Where else other than Gov't can you get more than 2 weeks of vacation the first year? And where else can you get 4 weeks after 3 years?

Are these people under an SEIU contract?
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye

Originally Posted by BrotherBart

You're a [bleep] loon.
I suppose, if I were, I wouldn't know it...


There you have it... irrefutable logic!
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