ObamaCare is Dead and it ain�t coming back. It cannot be fixed.
Tentative funeral arrangements are scheduled for January 2015.

This disaster will not be transformed into any big government socialized single payer disaster. Almost nobody wants anything to do with it or anything like it.

It will cost the Democrats the Senate this fall and will hurt Hillary�s run for the White House.



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�5 ObamaCare Nightmares for Democrats in 2014�
by Mike Flynn 1 Jan 2014
Democrats are no doubt eager to put 2013 and the disastrous ObamaCare roll-out behind them.
There is, however, a reason they pushed implementation of the health care law until well after Obama's reelection.

There are 5 major reasons the Democrats long ObamaCare nightmare is just beginning.

1. People who think they have coverage, don't.
Approximately 2 million Americans have signed up for ObamaCare, far below the Administration's goal. As these Americans may learn, though, signing up for coverage through the exchanges doesn't mean they have coverage. M
any haven't yet made their first premium payment. Washington and Nevada, the only states that report this number,say half of the enrollees have not made a premium payment.

The Obama Administration has pressured insurance companies to accept payments until January 10th.

It is unclear, however, if people even understand they need to make a payment.

Beyond this, there are problems with processing individual applications.
The state of Iowa recently asked 16,000 people to reapply for insurance, because of ongoing problems with the federal exchange.
The state of Oregon made robocalls to thousands of residents, warning them to seek coverage on their own if they hadn't heard from the state exchange by December 23.

Potentially hundreds of thousands of people are entering the new year thinking they have coverage and will soon learn they don't.

2. Millions more people will lose insurance in 2014.
News that 5 million individuals had their health insurance policies cancelled at the end of 2013 came as a shock to most Americans.
Obama and Democrats who supported ObamaCare had repeatedly assured the public that if they like their policy they could keep it.

The fact that wasn't true smashed their credibility.

Unfortunately for Democrats, millions more Americans will have their existing policies cancelled next year.
If a person in the individual insurance market renewed their policy in 2013, they didn't receive a cancellation notice. They will next year, however.

Potentially 10-15 million Americans will have their policies cancelled, just ahead of the mid-term elections.

3. Deductible Shock
Many first-time buyers of insurance coverage are likely to be shocked by the high deductibles under ObamaCare's most affordable plans.

Under the cheapest plan in ObamaCare, a family of 4 would have to pay over $12,000 in medical bills before insurance kicked in.
Every year.
A recent study found that just 14% of Americans understood insurance provisions like "deductibles" and "co-pays."
The other 86% are due for a big shock in 2014.

4. Insurance Premium Sticker Shock
ObamaCare only "works" if millions of healthy, young adults buy health insurance. Their premiums are needed to subsidize insurance for older and sicker adults.
For young adults, though, anything beyond a catastrophic plan is largely unnecessary.

The ObamaCare exchanges have not reported demographic information for people buying coverage, but it is reasonable to assume, given the difficulty of signing up, that those who most need coverage, i.e. older and sicker adults, make up a large share of new enrollees.

Even though many Americans are already facing higher premiums through ObamaCare, the costs could skyrocket even more next year unless millions of healthy people buy coverage.
Insurance companies will have to drastically increase premiums to cover their costs.
This will make coverage more unaffordable for many Americans, potentially causing a "death spiral" in coverage.

As relatively health(y) Americans drop coverage, premiums will have to increase for those who are in the most need of medical care.

5. Employer Mandate
In July 2013, President Obama announced that he had unilaterally decided to delay ObamaCare's mandate that employers provide coverage until 2015.
Employers with more than 50 employees now have to provide health insurance or pay a penalty, effective January 1, 2015.

The penalty for not providing coverage is $3,000 per employee. For many businesses, it will be cheaper to pay the penalty than provide health insurance, when there is so much uncertainty about future premium costs.

This is a feature of the law, not a bug.
The long-term goal is to get Americans out of employer-provided health coverage and into the exchanges, leading ultimately to a single-payer system.

Had Democrats really wanted to encourage employers to provide coverage, they would have made the penalty higher than annual premium costs. They also wouldn't have put a tax on policies offered by employers.

Unfortunately for Democrats, businesses will inform their employees of their plans around the middle of 2014, just before the midterm elections.

Many businesses will alter their operations to fall below the mandate threshold. Others will simply drop coverage and pay the penalty.

This will be a shock for most people, especially since most Americans have health insurance through their employer.

That this shock could come just weeks before the midterm elections will create a nightmare for Democrats on the ballot.

As we enter 2014, Democrats are trying to reassure themselves that Americans will eventually embrace ObamaCare.
They point to the "good" things in the law, i.e. parents able to keep kids on their policy until they are 26, free health screenings and new prescription drug benefits.

The problem for Democrats, however, is that those provisions are already in effect and have been since 2010.
Any benefit Americans perceive from these provisions is already factored into their views of ObamaCare.

The Democrats front-loaded all the "good" provisions in ObamaCare and put off the politically painful provisions until after Obama's reelection.

The tab is coming due in 2014, however. The potentially very negative consequences of the law will unfold throughout the year.

Americans will finally find out "what's in the bill."

They are not likely to be happy.

Only 14% of the people signing up understand what a deductible is and it's not clear to them they need to make a payment. ?????????? Now you know why Obama won... I guess the Russian newspaper was right when the headlines said " Obama reelected by illiterate society." Millions of Obama supporters can't even read what they sign up for.

We have reviewed our current policy that is "grandfathered in"...until 2015. Without going in to details, unless something changes, like this whole boondoggle scrapped, we will drop our coverage in 2015.
The rank-and-file, John Q. Public has NO IDEA what's just around the corner and when he finds out, and starts getting screwed with his "premiums" or penalties based on his income, and he's living one the edge anyway, paycheck to paycheck, then look for the S to HTF! IF this goes forward as is, it will likely cause a complete economic collapse.

I have a friend that believes this could be the proverbial "straw that breaks the camel's back" which awakens America to the reality of Washington politics...finally, and causes a complete redefinition of the United State's political scene insofar as on a national level.

I'm not so "optimistic".

I could see anarchy...literally.

OBAMACARE coming to your neighborhood very soon.



L.W.

What do you want to bet that the Dems push the most undesirable components to some point following the midterms. All about maintaining/expanding power, nothing at all to do with representing the people on either side of the aisle.

From the movie "TAKEN": "Good luck"..

TODAYS HEADLINES:
1/3/14
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Democratic Rep. McDermott: Dems Are Very Proud to Run on ObamaCare in 2014
And if you believe that�
MSNBC.com Editor: 'ObamaCare Haters' Losers of the Year

Meanwhile�
Obamacare Mayhem: Hospitals Unable to Verify Healthcare Plans...

Californians Who Have Enrolled Unsure if They're Covered by Obamacare

Obamacare Will Not Reduce Emergency Room Visits

Bungle of Joy: HealthCare.gov can�t handle info on newborns

Ron Paul: 'Conceivable' in Next Years Obamacare Will 'Totally Self-Destruct'

$60 Billion in Medicare, Medicaid Overpayments

New Year Brings Dawn of Obamacare Tax Increases


Eleven GOP Attorneys General Blast Unconstitutional Obamacare Changes
Eleven Republican attorneys general have sent a letter to embattled Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius slamming the Obama administration for endless Obamacare changes that it calls "flatly illegal under federal constitutional and statutory law."

The letter, written by West Virginia Attorney General Patrick Morrisey, states: "We support allowing citizens to keep their health insurance coverage, but the only way to fix this problem-ridden law is to enact changes lawfully: through Congressional action."

The letter added, "The illegal actions by this administration must stop."

Joining Morrisey are attorneys general from Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, and Virginia.

The letter also blasts the Obama administration for ignoring "the widespread public outcry over the security of consumers' private information."

The attorneys general are not alone in their alarm. Legal scholars have raised questions over the constitutionality of the Obama administration's myriad "on the fly" changes and delays to the highly unpopular Obamacare law.

BS. It's full steam ahead on this thing & no amount of opposition will stop it. Reps can talk all they want cuz when it's time to do more they cave.

It's easy to rape the people when their presumed protectors are just pimps. Both parties are committed to nothing more than increased power in DC. If you think Obamacare's lack of sustainability will cause those in DC to walk away then you haven't followed SS, the Farm Bill, the Fed, et al. Basically you've been hiding under a rock or with yer head up... Uh stuck in sand.

THE TOP 10 SIGNS YOU'VE ENROLLED IN OBAMACARE.

10. Your annual breast exam is done at Hooters.

9. Directions to your doctor�s office include �Take a left when you enter
the trailer park.�

8. The nurses station has a tip jar.

7. The only proctologist in the plan is �Gus� from Roto-Rooter.

6. The only item listed under Preventive Care Coverage is �An apple a day..�

5. Your Doctor's stethoscope is two tin cans and some string.

4. The diploma on the wall says University of Walmart.

3. The only expense that is 100% covered is �embalming.�

2. Your Prozac comes in different colors with little M�s on them.

AND THE NUMBER ONE SIGN YOU�VE JOINED OBAMACARE:

1. You ask for Viagra and they give you a popsicle stick and duct tape.

He is doing a great job to bring us bankrup. give us a change .An a goverment take over . The chit heads in Congress don't want him impeach or charges brought agaisnt him or the dumb o crats in the senate its thier man, so our only chance is fire the hole chit hole bunch then sue everyone of them for all there worth

I do think that between the high premiums and the high deductibles that the number of Americans with health coverage will implode.

This ain't gonna be pretty. I can only hope that Americans get out the rope & torches.

Naw the politicians won't let it come to that. They'll draw on the limitless stores of cash they have (print more!!) and "make it right" to placate the masses, save their necks, and look like the saviours.

And many will have Rs next to their names...

Yes, it will be interesting to see if the Republicans sign up to help the Democrats dig themselves out of this hole. If just one or two of the many legal challenges are successful, the Rs will have a choice. The Ds will never vote to outright kill the ACA, but they may be more than willing to change parts of it that are giving them political trouble. But for that to happen they will have to have R support. Will the Rs provide the votes based on the old song - "it's the right thing to do"?

I have already received a letter from the Veterans Administration as a Disabled Veteran receiving medical care at VAMC Seattle that I am fully covered by the VA and that Obamacare can go Pound Sand.

Am I ever happy that someone was looking out for me when I was 25/26 years old as that original 10% rating that the VA gave me in 1966 sure looks good now.

I suggest you pull your head out and look at the freaking numbers.

By Greg Scandlen
December 27, 2013
It has become much, much worse than I ever imagined. Obamacare is not even fully in effect yet and already we are seeing the President playing with the carriers like a toddler plays with toy trucks �
Employers will be mandated to buy your policies for 2014
(Oops, employers are angry)
Employers won�t be mandated until 2015 � if then
Small employers will give workers a choice of health plans through the SHOP program in 2014
(Oops, we can�t get the web site ready in time)
Small employers won�t have to offer a choice of plan until � sometime later
You must cancel these individual policies
(Oops, public backlash)
You must reinstate these policies
(Oops, many insurance commissioners won�t allow it)
You must continue to cover providers and drugs even for
(Oops, web site problems)
The deadline for enrollment will be December 23, 2013
(Oops, too much traffic)
The deadline for enrollment will be December 24, 2013
Never mind, there is no deadline
First month�s premium must be received by December 31, 2013
(Oops, back-end problems with the web site)
First month�s premium must be received by January 8, 2014
Make that January 10, 2014

How can anyone run a business this way? This is worse than being a federal agency. No federal agency would be expected to stop and start on a personal whim like this. These aren�t rules, they aren�t regulations, they are dictates based on nothing more than Kathleen Sebelius� momentary feelings.
These are only the �glitches� that have been made public. God knows what orders and threats are being issued in closed-door meetings.

How long will the insurance industry abide being treated like shoe shine boys? Mr. Obama will not be in office forever. His regime is already coming to an end. What will these companies do then? He will no longer be around to grant or withhold bailout (�risk corridor�) money. No other president, Democrat or Republican, will ever be as arrogant or irrational.
It is well past time for the industry, supposed Titans of Wall Street, to grow some spine and start thinking about the best interests of their customers and shareholders
2013 Forbes.com LLC� All Rights Reserved
www.forbes.com/‎

It's working just fine and it's here to stay. Don't say I didn't tell you so.

I don't see how Obummer Care can get WORSE,,, it was a friggin train wreck from before Day ONE....how can a train wreck, be an even worse train wreck? It was a failure before it became law by those friggin Democrats, and no amount of their good will wishes is going to change that...

its the biggest ClusterFudk ever produced by the US Government...

the only thing this administration is good at, is making up excuses, pointing the accusational finger at everyone else for all of their failures, and making promises that are just lies, and violating the US Constitution with impunity, like has never been seen before...

beyond excelling at those taks, this administration sucks worse than any other one in American history...

The only way that ObamaCare goes away is when the nation goes away. As long as the nation exist ObamaCare exist.

I suggest you pull your head out�and open your eyes�

'They had no idea if my insurance was active or not!': Obamacare confusion reigns as frustrated patients walk out of hospitals without treatment
MailOnline spoke with patients who were told they would have to pay their bills in full if they couldn't prove they had insurance
One was faced with a $3,000 hospital room charge and opted to leave the hospital after experiencing chest pains
'Should I be in the hospital? Probably,' she said
Another, coughing in the cold, walked out without receiving a needed chest x-ray
Consumers face sticker-shock from medical costs under the new Obamacare system, made worse if they can't prove they're insured
As many as one-third of new enrollees' applications have seen problems when the government transmits them to insurance companies
By David Martosko, U.S. Political Editor
PUBLISHED: 15:57 EST, 2 January 2014
Hospital staff in Northern Virginia are turning away sick people on a frigid Thursday morning because they can't determine whether their Obamacare insurance plans are in effect.
Patients in a close-in DC suburb who think they've signed up for new insurance plans are struggling to show their December enrollments are in force, and health care administrators aren't taking their word for it.
In place of quick service and painless billing, these Virginians are now facing the threat of sticker-shock that comes with bills they can't afford.
'They had no idea if my insurance was active or not!' a coughing Maria Galvez told MailOnline outside the Inova Healthplex facility in the town of Springfield.
She was leaving the building without getting a needed chest x-ray.
'The people in there told me that since I didn't have an insurance card, I would be billed for the whole cost of the x-ray,' Galvez said, her young daughter in tow. 'It's not fair � you know, I signed up last week like I was supposed to.'
The x-ray's cost, she was told, would likely be more than $500.

Galvez said she enrolled in a Carefirst Blue Cross bronze plan at a cost of about $450 per month through healthcare.gov, three days before Christmas.
'No one has sent me a bill,' she said.
[...]

Her Carefirst plan, identified on the Obamacare website as BlueChoice Plus Bronze, carries a $5,500 per-person deductible for 2014 � an amount she would have to pay out-of-pocket before her coverage would apply to medical expenses.
The Inova radiology department wouldn't speak with MailOnline, and Carefirst did not respond to a request for comment.
A similar situation frustrated Mary, an African-American woman small businesswoman who asked MailOnline not to publish her last name. She was leaving the Inova Alexandria Hospital in Alexandria, Virginia with two family members.
'I had chest pains last night, and they took me in the emergency room,' Mary said. 'They told me they were going to admit me, but when I told them I hadn't heard from my insurance company since I signed up, they changed their tune.'

She told MailOnline that a nurse advised her that her bill would go up by at least $3,000 if she were admitted for a day, and her doctor told her the decision was up to her

'Should I be in the hospital? Probably,' she said. 'Maybe it's one of those borderline cases. I have to think that if I were really in danger, they wouldn't give me the choice. But what if I think I'm covered and I'm really not?'
'The emergency room bill is going to be bad enough.'

As massive & complex as ZeroCare is, I don't think anyone can predict what will happen.

I can it's here to stay. It's being implemented as we type.

At least there is a silver lining.

What numbers trump a gov that is, according to congress & their constituents, a bottomless pot of gold?

The promise has been made. It will be kept. Period. It will be made to work no matter the cost, and Republicans will be right in the midst of the fray assisting Obama's ball washers.

To do anything less would be worse than <GASP!!> a gov't shutdown! and we all know how Republicans melt when they are expected to actually take a stand.

ACA is here to stay. Suckin elephant ain't gonna change that, though it may be a high protein way to pass the time.

BS it will do no such thing. They've got lots to time for Reps to lament this farce, be painted as men who hate the underclass and want to take away people's free access to the greatest healthcare system in the world, wilt from the challenge, and get their butts handed to them while blaming Libs & Conservatives for their losses.

Betcha $10 Bowsinger. For real.

Seriously who the heck cares about any of this? You think the MSM is gonna give up on their dreams... Obama & ACA?

They'll promote criminal prosecution of Bill for lying under oath before they focus upon these stories for any length of time, if at all. Brietbart is nice for Republicans but it doesn't mean Jack in the arena of public opinion.

Again... What trumps a bottomless pot of gold like that in DC?

DD nailed it: ACA dies when the USA dies and not a second before. It's D-O-N-E.

Yes. If a private company issued that many policy changes in as many days, the government would have them in court and collect a substantial fine that would disappear into the general coffers.

A prime example of how not to do business.

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AP: HealthCare.gov so Broken, Families Can't Add Newborns to Coverage
With the deadlines behind us, the first wave of Obamacare problems is, thankfully, over.

Unfortunately, this only means that the coming months will open up a whole new world of problems with HealthCare.gov, including the site's inability to place new babies under their parents' coverage.

The Associated Press is out with a report this morning that pregnant women have an entirely new set of headaches to expect from their ACA-triggered coverage, namely, that HealthCare.gov is not designed to accept any changes in status that would include or exclude a person from coverage.

When a baby is born, there is no way for parents to notify the federal government that the baby now exists and needs coverage.
There is also no way to notify the federal government of marriage or divorce, of a death in the family, or of a new job or loss of a job.
The website allows one to open a profile, but not to edit it once an insurer is chosen.

All of these changes could potentially affect those insured or open new options for coverage from different insurers or types of insurance.
They may also result in higher premiums or more expensive coverage.
These would all be options and possibilities if HealthCare.gov had any way of editing one's information on the page.

Derby and EFW are right ACA is here to stay until single payer that is. Hillary will win too I'm sorry to say...

I say it will fall apart from demand that we get better care. Americans are used to very good care . People will go postal right in the hospital if they don't get treatment or die. But Derby Dude , yes it is getting implemented as we speak, but only the taxes are implemented cause that is the only thing they know how to do. They don not know how to run anything but a tax law.

Yes, only the taxes. You cannot implement something that will not work and will never come close to meeting promised goals.

Krauthammer is right. ObamaCare has set Liberalism back 20 years.
As young voters take the pocketbook hits and low information voters of all ages get hurt big time; their eyes begin to open about what big socialized government really is all about.

Presidential elections are about personalities and party effectiveness in getting out the vote. More so than just ideology. Obama has never built or needed a winning record.
It was Obama against McCain and against Romney.

Mid-terms are always more about ideology and agendas.
The 2010 mid-term Conservative Landslide was about ObamaCare and the Obama agenda. Obama had no coattails.

The 2014 mid-terms will be about ObamaCare on steroids.
And the Obama numbers have taken a nosedive.
No way can they turn this bloated monstrosity around in ten months.

No you can't. You have just convinced yourself you can. Get some fresh air.

ObamaCare is being implemented both taxes and plan. Whether you get health care or not is irreverent. In fact, to the government ObamaCare is working just fine as long as you sign up and pay the taxes. Everything is just honky dory.

So you're not taking my bet then?

Not until you quit �hiding under a rock or with yer head up... Uh stuck in sand.�

I wish I had your faith and I hope you are right....but the fact that this dope was even elected(not once, but twice)leaves me permanently skeptical about the sophistication of America's electorate...particularly its young people who are the most precocious but politically naive generation that I have seen since the Baby Boomer morons were in college.They believe anything this guy pitches.

They border on a level of stupidity that is impossible to fathom. Add the minorities and entitlement mavens to the mix and I am no longer certain it is possible for any common sense to prevail anytime soon.

If you were not smart enough to see what Obama Care would do 2-3 years ago, you should not be allowed to breed IMO.

So you aren't willing to put up?

You know the option that leaves you...

If anybody has his head stuck in the sand it's you. No offense intended but face the reality the plan is going forward and will never be repealed.

This.

It's The New Deal all over again. For decades after The New Deal, conservatism was all about overturning it. The central state, once it has gained vast new powers for itself, however, never relinquishes them voluntarily.

This is the problem with only listening/paying attention to "conservative media"; it doesn't offer an accurate picture of the national pulse.

The MSM rules the thoughts of low information individuals so no matter how common sense should dictate abolition of the program, it matters not. No matter how many anecdotes are being told on conservative sites that support that common sense, it matters not. The MSM, as I've already said in this thread, will not cover those stories.

The story has been told and will be retold over and over. There are millions of people without insurance, and thanks be to God for the gracious gift of Obama who has beaten back the evil powers of the Republicans to slam through ACA in the name of the downtrodden.

derby_dude 1/3/14
The only way that ObamaCare goes away is when the nation goes away. As long as the nation exist ObamaCare exist.
ObamaCare is being implemented both taxes and plan. Whether you get health care or not is irreverent. In fact, to the government ObamaCare is working just fine as long as you sign up and pay the taxes.
Everything is just honky dory.
It's working just fine and it's here to stay. Don't say I didn't tell you so.


Everything is just �honky dory?�
Are you trolling?

Looking back through this thread I have posted a double handful of examples of how it is getting worse. It isn�t working and will never work.

Saying that voters getting health care or not �is irreverent� ten months before the next election is absurd.

You have posted nothing to back your claim.

Therefore I am assuming you mean ObamaCare is headed for a single payer system. I have always agreed that has been the goal all along.

We are in good company�Michael Moore in the New York Times:
I believe Obamacare�s rocky start � clueless planning, a lousy website, insurance companies raising rates, and the president�s telling people they could keep their coverage when, in fact, not all could � is a result of one fatal flaw: The Affordable Care Act is a pro-insurance-industry plan implemented by a president who knew in his heart that a single-payer, Medicare-for-all model was the true way to go. When right-wing critics �expose� the fact that President Obama endorsed a single-payer system before 2004, they�re actually telling the truth.

Also Harry Reid has recently said that Obamacare was just the first step toward a single-payer system.

As Obama and his healthcare continues to drop in the polls and he lameduck walks away, the push for that will begin.

But ObamaCare is so bad it will kill any chance of a single payer scheme.
There will be more Conservatives in Congress next year for a big push for allowing states to choose their own health care futures.
A Lameduck President cannot stop that.

For states to provide individual health saving accounts using a faction of the federal dollars than ObamaCare has already cost.

So many voters will have been hurt by the ObamaCare failure by Nov. this year, that they will vote for cutting Obama�s Big Government down to size and let the states have a shot at fixing this mess.

I have posted many times. the numbers of what the threat of ObamaCare did in bringing out the Conservative voters in the last mid-terms.
And how the numbers are moving toward a bigger Conservative victory this fall.

It is your turn to put up your numbers of just where and how ObamaCare is "working just fine."

Until then you have not �told me so� about anything.

DITTOS +1,000

There's only three things that I can think of that will cause Zerocare to cease to be "The Law of the Land".

1) The Supreme Courts rules the law is unconstitutional in it's entirety.

2) Hussein signs a bill saying it will no longer exist.

3) When Hussein is no longer in office the next POTUS signs a bill saying it will no longer exist.



#1 Ain't goin' happen. It's already been challenged.

#2 NFW. PERIOD.

#3 By 2016 Zerocare will be so entwined in our healthcare system that repealing it in it's entirety would result in absolute chaos.

And the funny thing is that the downtrodden will still be downtrodden and voting Democrat.

Civilization over time will always lower the IQ of the general population to zero.

DITTOS +1,000

I agree with Bob. The Ds are simply not going to sit back and be assaulted on Obamacare. They are going on the offensive. They are going to say that they support Obamacare because: 1) Insurance companies can no longer deny you care because of a pre existing condition; 2) Insurance companies will have to pay at least 80% of premiums back to customers as benefits (instead of paying fat cat executive big bonuses); 3) insurance companies are no longer allowed to place a cap on your covered medical costs; 4) children can no longer be kicked off of their parents' insurance the day they graduate from college; 5) the dreaded Medicare donut hole is being phased out, and benefits have improved; 6) they will say that more sill needs to be done on repealing the anti trust exemption for the insurance companies, allowing more competition and keeping the promise to current insurance policy holder that if they like their plan, they can keep it for now. The above are not my ideas, they are directly from the D Representative's newsletter that arrive yesterday. The rest of the newsletter talks about the failed government shutdown, protecting social security (from the Rs and Obama), immigration reform, increasing the minimum wage and addressing income inequality.

I always worry that people that cling to simple static outcomes (the Rs will take the Senate in 2014 and the presidency in 2016 and will thereafter repeal Obamacare) overlook the inherent dynamics in politics. While I might wish all of that to happen, I've been too long involved in politics to recognize that much can happen in the next 10 months - both good and bad.

One need only a cursory knowledge of the history of entitlement programs specifically, growth of gov't generally, and the amazing failure of the GOP to deliver ANYTHING that involves courage of convictions to know what we're talkin bout.

Money where your mouth is? C'mon it's $10!

You can�t fix stupid and Stupid can�t fix stupid. Insults are the last resort�

The New Deal was very popular with the people. It was supposed to help those who were hurting the most. Didn�t work all that well but people liked it.

ObamaCare is more like Prohibition. Unpopular.
So I fixed your post.

It's Prohibition all over again. For decades after Prohibition the American voter was all about overturning it. The central state, once it has gained that vast new power for itself, however, was forced to relinquish that power involuntarily.

Obamacare has always been unpopular and the 2010 voters numbers prove that..

It is an undeniable fact that ObamaCare has never had positive approvable numbers.
And they are dropping along with the Obama numbers.

The MSM has not been able to protect Obama.
No President having the support of the media has ever had lower numbers.
His RCP Approval average is down to 42.5%

The Direction of the Country is down to 30.15

ObamaCare Approval:
RCP Average 12/3 - 12/28 -- For/Favor 37.8 Against/Oppose 53.0
Rasmussen Reports* 12/27 - 12/28 For/Favor 40 Against/Oppose 56

My option is to continue to make friendly bets with my friends.

I wouldn't take that bet if I were you, either...

LOL its not getting worse we are all just finding out what a POS was hidden in those 12,000 pages no one was suppose to read before they voted.

I already have.

I have posted in some detail about some, not all the surprises hidden in those pages that will hit the voters this year.

Here are some more:


If 2013 Was Hard on Obamacare, Just Wait for 2014
By Lanhee Chen Dec 30, 2013
At his end-of-the-year news conference, President Barack Obama called the botched rollout of the Affordable Care Act his single biggest mistake of 2013. That�s putting it mildly. Supporters of Obamacare can�t wait to put this year behind them: From dropped insurance coverage for millions of Americans to the delay of the law�s employer mandate and the problems with HealthCare.gov, 2013 has been nothing short of a disaster.
There are two things that are important to recognize about Obamacare�s difficulties this year. First, people shouldn�t have been surprised that the law was so hard to implement and spawned so much bad press -- in fact, it was designed so that the law�s more politically unpopular provisions would take effect only after the 2012 elections.
Second, as bad as 2013 has been for Obamacare, the year ahead doesn�t look much better. In fact, 2014 has the potential to be even worse -- for the law, the Obama administration and congressional Democrats.
[...]

First, some of Obamacare�s least popular provisions go into effect in 2014.
This includes a new $60 billion tax on health insurers, which will be levied relative to premiums collected and directly passed on to consumers. And, of course, Obamacare�s requirement that individuals secure health insurance coverage (or pay a tax penalty) kicks in during the coming year as well.

Second, millions of Americans who buy their coverage on the individual market or get it through small employers will be shocked by just how much their premiums go up in 2014.
The young and healthy will be especially susceptible to this rate shock, and this in turn will further drive them away from purchasing coverage in future years. Given skyrocketing premiums, the economic incentives for many of these �young invincibles� are aligned against buying coverage in the coming years. But these are also the people that the ACA most needs to be enrolled through its health insurance exchanges to offset the comparatively higher risk and costs associated with insuring the sick and old. These dynamics may lead to even higher premiums in the coming years.

Third, not only will millions of Americans on the individual and small group markets who like their plans be unable to keep them in 2014, but many will experience what it�s like to be unable to continue seeing the doctors they know and trust.
As health insurers face pressure to keep costs down while providing the richer package of benefits that Obamacare mandates, many are limiting their networks of doctors and other health-care providers. A cancer survivor�s opinion article in the Wall Street Journal illustrated the horrible situation that Obamacare will place some Americans in: Being forced to choose between doctors that have been critical to their care or, in some cases, not having access to any of their existing health-care providers.

Finally, Obamacare�s Medicare cuts will continue to hurt senior citizens.
For the 14 million people enrolled in the Medicare Advantage program, the ACA�s $200 billion in cuts over the next 10 years will accelerate in 2014 and have tangible impacts on beneficiaries. Insurers predict that seniors in Medicare Advantage plans will see higher premiums, increased cost-sharing for primary and specialist visits, and limits on the doctors they can see. Although the ACA is not solely responsible for the headwinds the Medicare Advantage program faces, it will (and should) shoulder most of the blame.

Exactly. And stupid is the majority of the vote that put these people in place. The danger isn't just the liberal/progressive politicians. It's the voters that either idolize them, or pay zero attention to anything but the Kardashians and Idol, or perform there nervous tic check of their dumbphone, until the next election comes around. The GOP isn't going to get another POTUS during my lifetime, if ever. The scales are tipped. You aren't beating Santa Claus.

Bow-you've been around long enough to know the mindset of these people. I'm not sure if you've studied them in earnest, however. How much Saul Alinsky have you read? If you were up on the Magic Negro's idol, you'd realize that Obamacare is working EXACTLY as designed. It's nearly perfect to the playbook. To reap chaos was a prerequisite. It's hardly a failure in the eyes of those that implemented it.

So what Bow that isn't going to make any difference to the low information voter.

That's Bow's problem he just can't come to grips with fact the plan is working as designed and that voters are happy with the plan. I'll be pleasantly surprised if the GOP picks up enough seats in the Senate to take control while maintaining control of the House. I think the status quo will be maintained.

1/2/14
Ron Paul: 'Conceivable' in Next Years Obamacare Will 'Totally Self-Destruct'
www.ronpaulforums.com &#8206;
As seen on Your World with Neil Cavuto
Former Texas Rep. Ron Paul called ObamaCare a �disaster� on Your World today.
Ron Paul: Americans Must Be Allowed to Opt Out of ObamaCare

If the GOP keeps offering those moderate POS you can bet the ranch on it.

No one said voices of sanity won't make their best effort to overturn it. They did the very same after The New Deal, too, but to no avail.

So, you and Ron disagree that it will likely be overturned and that people must be allowed to opt out?

Why are you still comparing Ocare to the popular New Deal when the unpopular Prohibition is a much better match?

The New Deal wasn't any more or less popular than the ACA. Like the ACA, it was hated by about half the nation.

When Obama bails out the insurance companies to the tune of billions in tax payer money, we will come to realize why the DHS bought up billions of rounds of ammo. That could be the ignition.

No, no, no...that was all for the Coast Guard.

It is hard to argue with stupidity like this up against real world numbers.

��that voters are happy with the plan.� What voters? Show us the numbers.
The real world numbers are dropping like a rock as more and more people get hurt.

��It's working just fine and it's here to stay.� Post just one thing that is working just fine.
Or in keeping with the OP, post one thing that will not get worse this year.
Is the plan here to stay or does the Left want to replace it with single payer? Make up your mind.

��Whether you get health care or not is irreverent.� More than 6 million people have lost their insurance so far, compared to about 2 million who have enrolled in ObamaCare. And I have pointed out in some detail those numbers are about to get worse.

These people vote. Where are your numbers to show that this election will not repeat 2010?

Where is anything you have to back your claim?

So you won�t touch Prohibition because it does not fit your �no big gov programs ever fail� mindset.

The New Deal was a LOT more popular than Prohibition or ACA.
The New Deal was very popular with the people. It was supposed to help those who were hurting the most. Didn�t work all that well but people liked it.

ObamaCare is more like Prohibition in that they do not work and therefore do not help those intended.

I hope you're correct, but I think it's far more like The New Deal than Prohibition. But you are correct, in that Prohibition is an example of the very rare case of central government being forced by overwhelming unpopularity to withdraw power from itself.

This ^^

An accurate picture of the national pulse was the 2010 Conservative Landslide.

Mid terms are about turning out your base to vote on issues.
November 2014 will be about ObamaCare. Even if they start a war to change the subject. Millions of voters losing their healthcare because they can no longer afford it will show up to vote.
They will remember �if you like your insurance, you can keep it�

The 88% of Republicans who disapprove of ObamaCare with 77% strongly disapprove will show up.
The Obama base did not show up in 2010 and have even less reason to do so this fall.

The only �poll numbers� I trust are the 2010 mid-terms results.
The only �demographics� would be the 2010 mid-terms results.

It took only two years after Obama won his first election for the Conservatives to come back in 2010 and give this country the largest Conservative Landslide of any mid-term election�ever.

The largest shift in power since 1938. With the help of a new, loose knit group called the Tea Party; the GOP gained 63 House seats, 6 Senate seats, 29 of 50 Governorships, and 680 State Legislative seats that gave the GOP control of 25 state legislatures.

That election was Historic and it was about just the coming threat of ObamaCare.
And two years of the Obama agenda with a Pelosi House.

ObamaCare is no longer a threat. It is here.
And six years of the Obama agenda.

The polls show that Obama is even losing the young voters who are seeing with their own eyes for the first time what a nightmare big government really is.

Those are the demographics that will be in play in just 10 months.

Are you kidding?? The rank and file REPs are already villifying the very people who gave them the House in 2010, and are blaming the Tea Party for everything that is wrong in the Senate. The REP will implode unless Braindead Bainer, and Misguided McConnel are ousted from leadership!! Do you really see any chance of that?? I would really hope so...but I'm also a realist.

No I�m not kidding, just looking at the numbers.
The arrival of ObamaCare has triggered a real war on the Hill.
Large sums of money are being targeted against the Tea Party.

Thanks to ObamaCare, the Tea Party will have no trouble in responding.

Thanks to ObamaCare, the Tea Party will be remembered as the ones who did what they could to stop the destruction of millions of healthcare insurance policies.
Thanks to ObamaCare, Ted Cruz and those who stood with him in a battle he could not win will be remembered.

Thanks to ObamaCare, this 2014 mid-term election in just 10 months will repeat and surpass the 2010 election.
Look very carefully at the 2010 results I posted.
Some say that will not repeat. But they have yet to post any numbers to justify.

I expect that the Dems will get a mid-East war going before the election.
But that will not stop Mom and Dad who just lost their family heath insurance from stepping into the voting booth in record numbers.

You know what they say about figures & figurers...

1/5/14
Newser) � Rand Paul is no fan of ObamaCare, and today less so. The Kentucky Republican took to This Week today to wave a Medicaid card at the camera�a Medicaid card he says was erroneously issued to his son when he was signing up for health insurance. "So, really, most of the people in Kentucky are automatically being enrolled in Medicaid," he complained, as per Politico. "I'm trying to pay for insurance and can't pay for it. And I'm uncertain now whether I'm enrolled in DC and/or Kentucky. It's a mess."

And your point?

Obamacare is here to stay. It is the legacy of America's first "black" POTUS and means more power to all Politicians.

"It's a mess."

No, it won't.

It also won't have any effect on Zerocare. Billions spent by the govt means nothing to masses. If Hussein bails out the insurance companies it will make headlines for a few weeks, the GOP will bish about it forever, and when the next crisis occurs it will fade away.

Agree. And your point?

Duh!
�It's a mess."

TODAYS HEADLINES:
1/6/14
Breitbart News: Breitbart TV
http://www.breitbart.com/breitbart-tv

California Obamacare Exchange Extends Payment Deadline to January 15
Obamacare Threatens Volunteer Firefighter Groups
Nearly Two Thirds of 2013 Government Waste, Fraud Came from HHS
Obamacare Glitches Leave Over 100,000 Medicaid, CHIP Applicants in Limbo
Ron Johnson to sue OPM over Obamacare


George Will, on Fox News Sunday was talking about the resurgence of liberal ideas that always fail, which always leads to the country swinging to the Right.

�Oh, there�s nothing better for American conservatism than periodic examples of untrammeled liberalism.
Lyndon Johnson after 1964 had huge majorities in Congress, had his way.
Republicans won five of the next six and seven of the next nine presidential elections.�

He was talking about the new mayor of New York City, de Blasio and that his liberal agenda will ultimately fail.

He could have said the same thing about ObamaCare X10.

I agree with everything you posted and I still cannot see your point.

�Obamacare is an unaffordable government expenditure whose costs will run amok as time progresses;
it�s a grand scheme concocted by our intellectual superiors who know what�s best for us but unfortunately can�t quite make the pieces of their intricate creation fit together;
it�s a wealth redistribution scheme that reaches even into the pockets of the middle class;
it replaces the efficiency of the market with the plodding redundancies of government;
it puts determinations about our fates in the merciless hands of government bureaucrats; it coerces individuals to act against their interests and desires;
it inflicts collateral damage on businesses large and small and reduces hiring;
its regulations, fees and new taxes raise costs for most consumers;
it ultimately will harm even those it was designed to help by increasing dependency and destroying the practice of medicine in this country.

As Americans recoil in horror over the next few years, they will simultaneously behold the untenable expansion of the nation�s debt, the looming peril of bankruptcy for Medicare and Social Security and the failure of the economy to expand robustly.

It will be, for Republicans, a most perfect storm.�

Keith Koffler, who covered the White House as a reporter for CongressDaily and Roll Call, is editor of the website White House Dossier.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...vative-in-2016-101863.html#ixzz2prGopOUd

LOL another detard successs story.

Lookin fer love in all the wrong places?

Nah... Just lookin fer sense between all the wrong spaces...

Bowsinger we agree that ACA is a cluster. No one doubts that. Where we DISagree is the point at which you suggest that'll motivate changes back to the right in either elections or ACTUAL reversals of ACA back to the right.

Ain't happening.

Post your numbers. Show me where I an wrong.
This fall the coming repeat of 2010 mid-term Conservative Landslide will be the end of this mess.

Two months ago�
11/11/2013
Obamacare Will Be Repealed Well In Advance Of The 2014 Elections
Steven Hayward, Contributor Forbes
Prediction: even if HealthCare.gov is fixed by the end of the month (unlikely), Obamacare is going to be repealed well in advance of next year�s election.
And if the website continues to fail, the push for repeal�from endangered Democrats�will occur very rapidly.


The website is a sideshow: the real action is the number of people and businesses who are losing their health plans or having to pay a lot more. Fixing the website will only delay the inevitable.

It is important to remember why it was so important for Obama to promise repeatedly that �if you like your health insurance/doctor, you can keep your health insurance/doctor.�

Cast your mind back to the ignominious collapse of Hillarycare in 1994. Hillarycare came out of the box in September 1993 to high public support according to the early polls. This was not a surprise. Opinion polls for decades have shown a large majority of Americans support the general idea of universal health coverage.
But Hillarycare came apart as the bureaucratic details came out, the most important one being that you couldn�t be sure you�d be able to keep your doctors or select specialists of your choice.

The Clintons refused to consider a compromise, but even with large Democratic Senate and House majorities the bill was so dead it was never brought up for a vote.
[�]
Now that people are losing their insurance and finding that they may not be able to keep their doctor after all, Obamacare has become the domestic policy equivalent of the Iraq War: a protracted fiasco that is proving fatal to a president�s credibility and approval rating.
The only thing missing is calling in FEMA to help fix this Category-5 political disaster.

Senate Democrats endangered for re-election will lead the charge for repeal perhaps as soon as January, after they get an earful over the Christmas break.
They�ll call it �reform,� and clothe it in calls for delaying the individual mandate and allowing people and businesses to keep their existing health insurance policies. B
ut it is probably too late to go back in many cases.
With the political damage guaranteed to continue, the momentum toward repeal will be unstoppable.

Democrats will not want to face the voters next November with the albatross of Obamacare.
[�]
The hazard of the moment is that a compromise �reform� that drops the mandate and attempts to restore the insurance status quo ante could leave us with an unfunded expansion of Medicaid and a badly disrupted private insurance market.
Republicans should avoid both the political traps and a new fiscal time bomb by being ready with a serious replacement policy, based on the premium support tax credit ideas that John McCain advocated (poorly) in 2008.
While anxious liberals are in dismay, they should recognize that Obamacare may well have achieved its chief purpose of making universal or at least greatly expanded health coverage a fixture of American social policy.
The cost to liberalism may prove fatal, however.

Krauthammer on Healthcare.gov: 'All hell's going to break loose'
Published January 22, 2014
FoxNews.com
Charles Krauthammer predicted Wednesday on "Special Report with Bret Baier" that "all hell's going to break loose" if the administration can't fix the problems with the Healthcare.gov website by mid-March.
"Right now the insurers are guessing at the subsidy, so all of this is on the honor system and it can be wildly off," Krauthammer, a syndicated columnist and Fox News contributor said. "If they undershoot, the insurers are going to go bust. If they overshoot, the government is going to be stuck with a huge bill."
Krauthammer said it is clear "no one knows what's going on" as communication between the administration and insurance companies suffers due to the faulty ObamaCare sign-up website.
"You've got a train wreck coming," he said. "I think it's going to come out slowly, it's not all going to happen in one day, but I think they're in deep trouble and the deadline is mid-March. If they don't have this in place in mid-March, then there's going to be- all hell's going to break loose on this."

No matter how much the country hates the ACA, I have NO faith in the Republicrats doing anything about it, even if they won with a veto-busting majority.
They don't have the balls to do a damn thing about it, not a damn thing. The only balls they have, are bouncing off their chins.

I couldn't have stated it better... SPOT ON!!!!

I am having trouble following your logic.

What balls, pray tell, does it take to vote for repeal of a law that the country hates�

It would take more balls to support a program that has sunk to under 40 percent in the polls than it will to vote to kill it.

Same for any bailout; about 65 percent opposed is not numbers you want to hear if you want to vote for a bailout.

The Republicrats, those who want to get reelected, can read the numbers as well as anybody.

They are watching the same family horror stories piling up daily on Fox News.

Crap we are still on this? ObamaCare is working as designed. It's here to stay.

You bet we are still on this. Will be until you or anyone puts up the numbers to prove me wrong.

Here are some of the latest numbers:
�The public overwhelmingly opposes any ObamaCare bailout of the insurance industry, the latest IBD/TIPP Poll found, even as the Obama administration is paving the way to do just that.
The survey found that 65% oppose a federal bailout of insurance companies that find their profits hit because not enough young, healthy people sign up for ObamaCare plans.�
Read More At Investor's Business Daily: http://news.investors.com/politics-...rance-industry-bailout.htm#ixzz2rEfwtclw

I am also having trouble following your logic.

Is ObamaCare here to stay or is it so bad it will be replaced with single payer insurance?

Screw the numbers I deal with the tax side and the taxes are going forward. But the purpose of ObamaCare is to get us to single payer universal health care and in that direction ObamaCare is working just fine.

The Republicans won't repeal. In fact, they are trying not to do anything at all before the elections. And then, of course, they'll cite the next elections as a reason for not doing anything.

But what is going to happen is that the Democrats are going to start proposing some "fixes" for Obamacare. The Republicans will resist and they will be lambasted in the press. And since the Republicans in Washington don't seem to realize that you could fit the entire audience of MSNBC on a average night inside a good sized ballroom, they'll eventually cave after a series of made up polls show them losing ground before the election.

As such, sometime this summer there will be bi-partisan "reforms" to fix Obamacare. The president will get up and make a speech about how they always knew that this thing was a work in progress and that change isn't always easy. Then, during the elections the Republicans will just hang on to their majority in the house, while not gaining enough senate seats to take the majority there.

After the elections, instead of realizing that they went soft and lost the momentum, the Repubs will blame the Tea Party elements for alienating the "independents" and costing them more gains in Congress.

Everything will remain more or less the same. Rinse, wash, and repeat.

Dead right.

You two bookends do realize that the Republicans can�t repeal Obamacare before the elections?

And if the numbers hold and this year�s mid-terms is a repeat of the 2010 mid-terms what would be the reasons that the reinforced House and the new Republican Senate will not do what the House tried to do without the Senate back in 2011?

That is the point. They can't repeal it for nearly three more years at the absolute earliest and that is a long damned time to hunker in a hole and try to ignore the carnage taking place in hopes of using it as a campaign issue. There will be a great impetus for change and or fixes over the coming months and years and the Repubs will start catching heat for resisting those fixes. Being Republicans, they will, naturally cave in short order.

The point is that it cannot be fixed and as my title says, the �carnage� is getting worse.
The numbers are getting worse and voters do not believe it can be fixed.
The numbers for any big government programs are in the tank.

After the fall election, there will be damn few left in the House or Senate that will buck the tide to bury the dead. Or support Lameduck Obama.

Aetna CEO: We might have to pull out of ObamaCare because it�s not attracting uninsured
posted on HOT AIR, January 23, 2014 by Mary Katharine Ham
One of the nation�s biggest health insurers is worried enough about a scenario in which it would have to pull out of Obamacare exchanges that its CEO is willing to talk about the possibility on national TV from Davos.

It may be partly a signal to the administration to get this train moving, but it�s no doubt also a reckoning with reality. Obamacare is not attracting the uninsured, and if the administration would stop changing the rules long enough for insurers to get a handle on who is in the exchange population, they�d no doubt find that population is far more sick and expensive than it was supposed to be.

Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini told CNBC on Wednesday that Obamacare has failed to attract the uninsured, and he offered a scenario in which the insurance company could be forced to pull out of program.

The company will be submitting Obamacare rates for 2015 on May 15.

�Are they going to be double-digit [increases] or are we going to get beat up because they�re double-digit or are we just going to have to pull out of the program?� Bertolini asked in a �Squawk Box� interview from the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. �Those questions can�t be answered until we see the population we have today. And we really don�t have a good view on that.�

He said that so far, Obamacare has just shifted people who were insured in the individual market to the public exchanges where they could get a better deal on a subsidy for coverage. �We see only 11 percent of the population is actually people that were firmly uninsured that are now insured. So [it] didn�t really eat into the uninsured population.�

For Obamacare to work better, it needs more flexibility and choice of insurance programs, Bertolini said. �We need to make it a lot more simpler for people. There needs to be more choice. When you get more choice, you make it more of a market and you get more people in the program.�

It is working exactly as designed. To totally ruin the health care insurance business and "force" the government (that includes RINO Republicans who want to keep their jobs) to go to a single payer, socialized medical plan for the entire country. That way the libs that write the regs can choose who will live or die. That will get the radical environmentalists all excited so they can celebrate the deaths of the enemies of earth.

For the radical left to get their way they have to create a crisis and that is exactly what we are seeing now.

Qtip
Soli Deo Gloria!

Do you really believe it is working as intended? Really?

I'm sorry, but they are not as good as some give them credit for. This thing implodes on itself and secures this president the number one spot as the worst president ever.

"Polly Parrot" is not dead, simply �stunned� or "pining for the fjords.�

�Look, Matey, I know a dead Princess when I see one, and I�m looking at one right now. She's not pinin�, She's passed on! This Princess is no more! She has ceased to be! She's expired and gone to meet her maker! This is a late Princess. She's a stiff. Bereft of life, she rests in peace.�

�Mate, this Peach wouldn't pine if you put six million volts thru 'er!�
Monty Pylon

Congressional Budget Office sends death blow to ObamaCare
By John Podhoretz
February 5, 2014
The Affordable Care Act, a&#8201;k&#8201;a ObamaCare, became law almost four years ago. It became operational last Oct. 1. Yesterday, Feb. 4, 2014, the ACA may well have been dealt its death blow.
The Congressional Budget Office released a major study of the government�s budget and its effect on the overall economy over the next 10 years. In dull bureaucratic language, it delivers a devastating analysis of the inefficiencies, ineffectualities and problematic social costs of ObamaCare.
The one-two punch: Virtually as many Americans will lack health coverage in 10 years as before the law was passed � but 2 million fewer will be working than if the law hadn�t passed.
One killer detail comes on Page 111, where the report projects: �As a result of the ACA, between 6 million and 7 million fewer people will have employment-based insurance coverage each year from 2016 through 2024 than would be the case in the absence of the ACA.�
ObamaCare�s key selling point was that it would give coverage to a significant number of the 30-plus million Americans who lack it. Now the CBO is telling the American people that a decade from now, 6 million-plus of their countrymen won�t get health care through their employers who otherwise would have.
Even more damaging is this projection: �About 31 million nonelderly residents of the United States are likely to be without health insurance in 2024, roughly one out of every nine such residents.�
Why? Because, in selling the bill to the American people in a nationally televised September 2009 address, President Obama said the need for ObamaCare was urgent precisely because �there are now more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage.�
Now the CBO is saying is that in 10 years, about the same number of people will lack insurance as before. This, after new expenditures of as much as $2 trillion and a colossal disruption of the US medical system.
If that�s not startling enough, there�s also the telling projection about ObamaCare�s impact on employment � �a decline in the number of full-time-equivalent workers of about 2.0 million in 2017, rising to about 2.5 million in 2024.�

2/4/14
Live by the CBO, Die by the CBO - Dana Milbank, Washington Post
For years, the White House has trotted out the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office to show that Obamacare would cut health-care costs and reduce deficits:
�CBO Confirms Families Will Save Money Under Health Reform.�
�CBO Update Shows Lower Costs for the New Health Care Law.�
�CBO Confirms: The Health Care Law Reduces the Deficit.�

Live by the sword, die by the sword, the Bible tells us. In Washington, it�s slightly different: Live by the CBO, die by the CBO.

The congressional number-crunchers, perhaps the capital�s closest thing to a neutral referee, came out with a new report Tuesday, and it wasn�t pretty for Obamacare.

The CBO predicted the law would have a �substantially larger� impact on the labor market than it had previously expected: The law would reduce the workforce in 2021 by the equivalent of 2.3 million full-time workers, well more than the 800,000 originally anticipated.

This will inevitably be a drag on economic growth, as more people decide government handouts are more attractive than working more and paying higher taxes.

This is grim news for the White House and for Democrats on the ballot in November�

and I can't believe what the Dem libtards are saying in damage control. Now they are praisining that people will loose their job and be "free". WTF? We have at least 11% unemployment, and they are happy people will loose jobs?

You could start with all democrat admins since Kennedy (begin with LBJ),,,it's called history, BOWS. Then you might want to throw in the last 2 Pres elections to cap it off.

You're doing little more here than you always tend to do,,promoting your ideas as fact and dismissing all the rest. I know, I know,,,Palin would and still can change all of this.

Wouldn't take that 10$ bet would you? Heh.

What has any of this to do with the coming mid-terms and the facts I have quoted about the last mid-terms?

The numbers I have quoted about �ObamaCare is Getting Worse?�

In elections, facts are most relevant to those that have already happened. Otherwise, you are talking about predictions, which are not facts.

For the next 8 years 6-7 million a year will lose their present health insurance.

EXCLUSIVE � Rand Paul: When Will Obama Start Caring?
Breitbart News: Breitbart TV
http://www.breitbart.com/breitbart-tv
2/7/14
Just when you thought Obamacare couldn�t get any worse, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reported on Tuesday that the equivalent of 2.5 million jobs will be lost due to Obamacare.
We can�t afford to lose any more jobs.

These numbers are calculated according to how many work hours the CBO estimates will be lost in the coming decade. Reuters reports, �In its latest U.S. fiscal outlook, the nonpartisan CBO said the health law would lead some workers, particularly those with lower incomes, to limit their hours to avoid losing federal subsidies that Obamacare provides to help pay for health insurance and other healthcare costs.�

Reuters continues, �Work hours would be reduced by the equivalent of 2.5 million jobs in 2024, said the agency, which earlier predicted 800,000 fewer full-time jobs by 2021. The bottom line would be a slower rate of growth for employment and compensation in the coming decade, according to the report.�
This is yet another example of the damage Obamacare has continued to inflict since its implementation.

Healthcare premiums have increased for millions. Couple this with high unemployment and it doesn�t look good for those already struggling in this bad economy

Perhaps the most frustrating aspect of this debacle is that critics knew that both employees and employers would have to adjust their hours and hiring practices in order to navigate the pitfalls of this new law. Just like when the President promised, �If you like your plan you can keep it,� those in the Administration who promised that Obamacare wouldn�t negatively impact the job market couldn�t have been more wrong.
This week�s CBO report proves it.

Some workers will be forced to work fewer hours and will receive less pay, as both employers and employees attempt to avoid parts of the law that impact them negatively.
The new report states, �CBO estimates that the ACA will reduce the total number of hours worked, on net� almost entirely because workers will choose to supply less labor � given the new taxes and other incentives they will face and the financial benefits some will receive.�

The incentives under Obamacare are for both employers and employees to seek government-sponsored benefits as opposed to work. The way our current system is structured, it will be in their best personal interest for them to do so.

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney responded to the lost jobs in this week�s report by saying, �Americans would no longer be trapped in a job just to provide coverage for their families, and would have the opportunity to pursue their dreams. This CBO report bears that out, and the Republican plan to repeal the ACA would strip those hard-working Americans of that opportunity."

Americans dream of having jobs that give them enough hours to take care of their families, including providing for their healthcare. Obamacare puts a significant dent in that dream, and Mr. Carney should be ashamed of himself for trying to pretend this disastrous policy is somehow a �choice� for workers.
Obamacare has been many things, but giving Americans more �choice� is not among them. It is a mandate on all of us.

The horribly misnamed Affordable Care Act may go down as one of the worst disruptions of the economy and government intrusions into our personal lives in history. By every measure�jobs, quality healthcare, the financial burden�this act has not been affordable.

When will this president start caring?

Well said, Jayco.

But,,,,we ALL HOPE that BOWS is right on this. I sure do. Hope, however, ain't a very good plan,,, as 'history' well shows. It's over boys, the tide has turned.

I have been posting nothing but the facts/numbers to support my opinion/predictions.

I have posted the results, the numbers of the last mid-term election when the tide really did turn, until everyone is sick of seeing them.

I have posted the numbers of the 2012 Presidential race and how in my opinion a better Conservative candidate could have picked up about 5 million more votes in swing states and won the damn thing.


I have lost count of the ObamaCare numbers posted�

So what facts, what numbers are you guys talking about?

Only if the Deturds lose the election big time next fall will you ever see it go away. But then there are so many worthless electable moderates that may not make a differance.

Maximum invasive surgery for obama care patients.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...nnection_prompts_probe_of_Healthcare.gov

Here's a couple of things that will scare you Bowsinger the Affordable Care Act calculator and the Heath Care Tax Credit is already programed into my computer program. And you think ObamaCare is going away.

Guess you didn�t get the memo�

There is so much uncertainty about Obamacare that Aetna, the U.S.�s third-largest insurance provider, may be forced to double its rates or opt out of the program, the company�s CEO, Mark Bertolini, told CNBC on Thursday.
What action Aetna will take is still up in the air, but the company doesn�t plan to set its 2015 Obamacare rates until May 15. Between now and then, though, Bertolini said he�s trying to get the necessary information from the Obama administration to properly price its insurance products.
�I think in the end analysis, pulling out is always the last resort,� Bertolini told �Closing Bell.�
�We don�t like to do that because we disenfranchise customers and we disappoint customers, so we always look at that as a last resort, but that is an option that we will pursue if we need to if the program doesn�t settle down; if we can�t get a good handle on the data and the less data we have, the more risk premium we need to put into our products and that means the prices are higher.�

I expect more and more insurance companies will pull out as well as doctors and hospitals. However, the tax will still go through and that's for certain. I can tell you after looking at the tax that it's a dozy. Ultimately, ObamaCare will lead to single payer government insurance which was the intent all along. The medical profession will become the largest single department of government employees out there a hundred times larger than the military geared up for Armageddon.

That tax bite coming is one big reason ObamaCare is dead.


Doomed: certain to face a very unpleasant fate

BOWS, simply put, you are the kind of Gent that needs a weatherman to tell him which way the wind is blowing. Focusing on the moment (your forte') ain't where it's at except for only that brief moment in time. Get it through your head that folks like free stuff and it may begin to dawn on you. What is given in largess (aka; vote buying) wont be taken away. Would a Republican controlled congress help?? Maybe and that's a real small maybe but one none the less.

The ONLY thing that will change where we are now headed is for some cataclysmic event (economic or otherwise) to cause,,,NO, MAKE, people refocus on what is right and what is wrong with the way things are heading. The "EVENT(s)" will have to happen, pure and simple. We may, indeed, have some momentary victories, politically, but the die is cast and things will have to run their course until we, as a nation are FORCED to accept needed change and then do it by the ballot box. Then, there's still the issue of the MSM and their bs that AIN"T gonna change, my man.

I do, however, like the way and the direction that you think.

d.d., here's betting the insurance cos will be 'bailed out'. End of that story.

D.C. Circuit guts ObamaCare: Consumers in federal exchange are ineligible for subsidies
posted on HOT AIR July 22, 2014 by Allahpundit
...The financial impact of ObamaCare for five million people hangs on six words. Held by the D.C.
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Circuit: Subsidies apply only to true state exchanges, not Healthcare.gov.

Plain and simple, if Congress wants to rewrite the law to extend subsidies to federal enrollees, they�re welcome to do it. That�s what legislatures are for. But the law, as written, says what it says, and that�s not the court�s problem.

I want to get this thread up quickly so people can comment, but lots of updates are coming. Stand by.

Update: Another report estimates that 7.3 million people will be affected by 2016 if this stands, to the tune of $36 billion.

That ambulance is from the village in Kenya that missing its idiot.