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CHEYENNE � New Jersey's biggest newspaper has a message for the least populated state in the nation: butt out.

The Star-Ledger newspaper in Newark published an editorial on Tuesday telling Wyoming to mind its own business.

The editorial came after Wyoming last week asked the U.S. Supreme Court for permission to submit a brief on behalf of itself and 18 other states supporting a New Jersey man who is challenging that state's concealed weapons law.

John M. Drake is challenging a provision in New Jersey law that says people seeking concealed carry permits must prove that they have a justifiable need. Wyoming and other states are concerned that if the law survives federal review, the court ruling could threaten their less-restrictive concealed carry laws.

The Star-Ledger reported last week that Drake, of Fredon, N.J., is a business owner who owns and services ATMs. He told the paper he sometimes carries large amounts of cash.

Tuesday's editorial in The Star-Ledger said that a strong majority of people in New Jersey supports strong gun laws and that others in the state have lost similar court challenges to the state's concealed carry law.

"Most New Jerseyans don't want to have to worry that the guy they're fighting with over a parking spot might be packing heat," the editorial stated. "That's why you need to show justifiable need to carry a handgun here."

The editorial goes on to question whether people in Wyoming and other states want New Jersey meddling in their gun laws. It stated that states with lax gun laws "actually do threaten our citizens by making it easier for dangerous people to acquire guns and bring them back East."

The editorial stated Wyoming is among the top states in rates of gun deaths per capita and supplying guns that are used in crimes in other states. "So the problem isn't our laws. It's yours," it stated.

Wyoming Gov. Matt Mead issued a statement last week announcing his administration's move to get involved in the challenge to the New Jersey law.

"This decision out of New Jersey impacts the right to keep and bear arms outside of the home," said Mead. "So, I felt it was necessary to have the attorney general support a petition to the Supreme Court to hear this case.

"If the current decision stands, states providing greater protections than New Jersey under the Second Amendment may be pre-empted by future federal action," said Mead.

Wyoming is one of the most pro-gun states. It allows citizens to carry concealed handguns without a permit, doesn't prohibit private ownership of machine guns, and Mead last year signed a law allowing hunters to take game animals with firearms equipped with silencers.

Asked if Mead had any response to the editorial, Mead spokesman Renny MacKay said Tuesday that all states have a keen interest in the protection of constitutional rights.

"Wyoming and other states with greater protections than New Jersey have an interest in how the U.S. Supreme Court will ultimately frame an individual's right to bear arms outside of the home, the central issue in this matter," MacKay said.

"This case and its reasoning have serious implications if the federal government and/or other courts use this opinion to restrict an individual's right to bear arms under the Second Amendment," MacKay said.

The other states joining with Wyoming in the effort are Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota and West Virginia.
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"Most New Jerseyans don't want to have to worry that the guy they're fighting with over a parking spot might be packing heat," the editorial stated. "That's why you need to show justifiable need to carry a handgun here."


Maybe most NewJerseyans shouldn't be fighting with people over parking spaces.

What level of dumphuckitude is that? Not to mention, acquiescing to a lifestyle where parking spots are so important in life, that they need to be fought over.

24hcf members excluded, of course.


Maybe the editorial staff needs to rethink their argument.
And does anyone really say "packing heat" in a serious manner anymore?

Maybe it was a joke after all.
Not that it matters but the comments back at the editorial were running about 90% GFY.
Since when are machine guns a state issue? Doesn't the federal gov't outlaw their ownership by individuals?

Stupidity.

People are afraid of freedom.
Yep New Joisey can GFY. They have to be a contender for the most FUBAR gun regulations in the USA. Heck giving your child a Red Ryder BB gun is or will soon be a felony there IIRC.
Originally Posted by RWE
And does anyone really say "packing heat" in a serious manner anymore?

The gun-ignorant do.
Originally Posted by efw
Since when are machine guns a state issue? Doesn't the federal gov't outlaw their ownership by individuals?


No, the federal gov't doesn't outlaw the ownership of pre-1986 machineguns. You just have to pay a tax and register it and follow some ridiculously overbearing laws, but you can own a machinegun depending on your state laws.

Wondering how long it will be to get the >=1986 machinegun ban to the Supreme Court to see if it's legal.
an interesting point, there was actually one incident where a legally possessed machinegun was used to commit murder-IN NEW JERSEY by a city Police Officer who had as a matter of SOP as a SWAT member taken his H&K MP5 home with him then at one point used it to kill somebody. IIRC it may have been his wife at a shopping center.
Originally Posted by efw
Since when are machine guns a state issue? Doesn't the federal gov't outlaw their ownership by individuals?

Stupidity.

People are afraid of freedom.


The federal government regulates and allows people to get a machine gun under very specific rules. Some states won't allow a machine gun even if you meet the federal requirements.
Well, if New Jersey wants states to quit butting into their business, then they need to send representatives to Washington who will not vote for increased federal gun control.
Do New Jersians mind of Cuomo from New York gets involved in everyone elses gun laws?
Originally Posted by eh76
Yep New Joisey can GFY. They have to be a contender for the most FUBAR gun regulations in the USA. Heck giving your child a Red Ryder BB gun is or will soon be a felony there IIRC.



Kinda beat me to it Keith.

I was gonna say I can't speak for Wyoming, but from Montana to Jersey goes the message:


GFY! grin
Originally Posted by RWE
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"Most New Jerseyans don't want to have to worry that the guy they're fighting with over a parking spot might be packing heat," the editorial stated. "That's why you need to show justifiable need to carry a handgun here."


Maybe most NewJerseyans shouldn't be fighting with people over parking spaces.


Translated: We want to be able to beat the chit out of some granny over a parking space with no fear of getting our sorry asses shot.

Wyoming has every right to butt into this case. Supreme Court decisions affect all 50 states.
So out of state Enviro's should have no input on how Wyoming treats wolves. That's good news!
Originally Posted by 1minute
So out of state Enviro's should have no input on how Wyoming treats wolves. That's good news!



should is the operative word there...
And just who gives a flying chit about an editorial in a New Jersey newspaper?

To join the chorus... Here's a big fat GFY to the Star-Ledger.
Originally Posted by efw
Since when are machine guns a state issue? Doesn't the federal gov't outlaw their ownership by individuals?

Stupidity.

People are afraid of freedom.


As others have said, private ownership of a machine manufactured before 1984 is legal at the federal level. You just need to follow the application rules and pay the one time $200 transfer tax. The states can restrict or even deny private ownership. The hard part is coming up with the $15k-$30K the pre-1984's are going for. That and feeding them!

Bob

ETA: it's the same application for any NFA item. Like my suppressor that you shot.
Need to start an email campaign to the editor.

In the subject line start it by typing:

GFY and then add a comment. laugh
Originally Posted by jnyork
CHEYENNE � New Jersey's biggest newspaper has a message for the least populated state in the nation: butt out.

The Star-Ledger newspaper in Newark published an editorial on Tuesday telling Wyoming to mind its own business.

The editorial came after Wyoming last week asked the U.S. Supreme Court for permission to submit a brief on behalf of itself and 18 other states supporting a New Jersey man who is challenging that state's concealed weapons law.

John M. Drake is challenging a provision in New Jersey law that says people seeking concealed carry permits must prove that they have a justifiable need. Wyoming and other states are concerned that if the law survives federal review, the court ruling could threaten their less-restrictive concealed carry laws.

The Star-Ledger reported last week that Drake, of Fredon, N.J., is a business owner who owns and services ATMs. He told the paper he sometimes carries large amounts of cash.

Tuesday's editorial in The Star-Ledger said that a strong majority of people in New Jersey supports strong gun laws and that others in the state have lost similar court challenges to the state's concealed carry law.

"Most New Jerseyans don't want to have to worry that the guy they're fighting with over a parking spot might be packing heat," the editorial stated. "That's why you need to show justifiable need to carry a handgun here."

The editorial goes on to question whether people in Wyoming and other states want New Jersey meddling in their gun laws. It stated that states with lax gun laws "actually do threaten our citizens by making it easier for dangerous people to acquire guns and bring them back East."

The editorial stated Wyoming is among the top states in rates of gun deaths per capita and supplying guns that are used in crimes in other states. "So the problem isn't our laws. It's yours," it stated.

Wyoming Gov. Matt Mead issued a statement last week announcing his administration's move to get involved in the challenge to the New Jersey law.

"This decision out of New Jersey impacts the right to keep and bear arms outside of the home," said Mead. "So, I felt it was necessary to have the attorney general support a petition to the Supreme Court to hear this case.

"If the current decision stands, states providing greater protections than New Jersey under the Second Amendment may be pre-empted by future federal action," said Mead.

Wyoming is one of the most pro-gun states. It allows citizens to carry concealed handguns without a permit, doesn't prohibit private ownership of machine guns, and Mead last year signed a law allowing hunters to take game animals with firearms equipped with silencers.

Asked if Mead had any response to the editorial, Mead spokesman Renny MacKay said Tuesday that all states have a keen interest in the protection of constitutional rights.

"Wyoming and other states with greater protections than New Jersey have an interest in how the U.S. Supreme Court will ultimately frame an individual's right to bear arms outside of the home, the central issue in this matter," MacKay said.

"This case and its reasoning have serious implications if the federal government and/or other courts use this opinion to restrict an individual's right to bear arms under the Second Amendment," MacKay said.

The other states joining with Wyoming in the effort are Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota and West Virginia.
Glad to see New Mexico on that list. smile

As far as the newspaper saying "butt out" NO! not only that but HELL NO!!
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i live in this hell hole and am MORE than ECSTATIC to see free states getting involved. By the way the star ledger is a liberal rag that no sane person reads, they have these " editorials" all the time so noone has to put their name on this garbage. And as everyone has said alot of people in Nj fell the same way, GFY NJ!
There is a provincial hubris that prevents urban areas from EVER butting out of outback issues. Geo-hypocrisy.

Hope a wolf bites em in the bag.
I think New Joisey needs some wolves.......
"Most New Jerseyans don't want to have to worry that the guy they're fighting with over a parking spot might be packing heat," the editorial stated. "That's why you need to show justifiable need to carry a handgun here."



Well, maybe youse f*ckin' guys needs to quit f*ckin' fightin' over a bunch'a f*ckin' parkin' spaces, 'specially da ones in front'a da f*ckin' tannin' salons, know what I mean?

Must be a Joisey thing...
Originally Posted by eh76
I think New Joisey needs some wolves.......


No where to put them with all the endangered black bears running around.
Originally Posted by ingwe


I was gonna say I can't speak for Wyoming, but from Montana to Jersey goes the message:


GFY! grin


You're going to meet bgcatty at the boar hunt. Ask him about New Jersey.
Originally Posted by Calhoun

Wondering how long it will be to get the >=1986 machinegun ban to the Supreme Court to see if it's legal.


I think we already lost that one with the Heller decision and the Miller decision on the NFA.

Full Auto is thrown to the wolves with Scalia's quoting of Miller:

Originally Posted by Justice Scalia

when called for [militia] service [able-bodied] men were
expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves
and of the kind in common use at the time.�


With the Miller precedent it seems Full Auto is pretty much a lost cause for us at SCOTUS.
I remember getting up at 5 AM to fold and load The Star Ledger onto my bicycle to deliver them before school.




Yeah, OT, but GFY!
Originally Posted by boomhand
Originally Posted by eh76
I think New Joisey needs some wolves.......


No where to put them with all the endangered black bears running around.


sounds like good trading material to me! Youse guys got some really big blackies!
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