They just keep pushing.


Gun confiscations is one step closer in Connecticut.� The mainstream media spins it as �one more chance� for non-compliant gun owners who failed to register their scary guns before the January 1 deadline.

In reality, these letters -�106 to rifle owners, and 108 more to residents with standard capacity magazines � are the first step in the Connecticut State Police beginning to round up guns arbitrarily made illegal last year in that state.� These guns include America�s favorite rifle, the AR-15 and magazines over 10 rounds, which include the standard capacity magazines made for that America�s favorite rifle.

Failure to register is now a felony now in Connecticut.

How long will it be before there is bloodshed over this law?� We�re not sure, but we�re confident it is coming unless the law is rescinded or struck down by the courts.

Mike Vanderboegh of the edgy Sipsey Street Irregulars released an open letter a couple of weeks ago, warning of what�s coming to Connecticut.� The Connecticut State Police aren�t listening.� Yet.

We suspect attitudes may change after the first few rounds of bloodshed.

As it stands right now, the best estimates are that 4% of newly-regulated guns and magazines in The Nutmeg State have been registered, leaving a hundred thousand or more newly classified potential felons looking over their shoulder.



link.
(The link is hit and miss, keep trying)

Don't worry, the police will not confiscate their guns, they believe in the second amendment too. Lots of them will even stand up for the citizens...

The last time Conn citizens stood up against a tyrannical Gov't was 1776.

They can't lock them all up and if they send police swat squads out for them we all have decisions to make.

Doc

I doubt it, their careers are more important to them than constitutional rights are.

I might tend to agree with you if we were only talking about local police and county Sheriff's deputies....

Judging by the posts from the leos on here, I`m thinking you are on to something...

They don't have elected sheriffs, just State Poo Poo with Fedarale powers

^ WTF is that THING holding the rifle ? ^


Mike

That's a he sheit.

I know it is not exactly the same situation, but I wonder how many LEO refused to follow orders at Ruby Ridge and Waco. If the higher ups want something done, and the rank and file refuses, the higher ups will just find someone else who will do their dirty work.

Their careers are more important to them than "YOUR" constitutional rights.
Most LEO's will do what they are told wether they believe in the 2nd or not. Stalin had many willing to do his bidding so they could eat, stay warm and just have the opportunity to kick someone in the head.

We have people like Isaac on here saying that Universal Registration is something we can compromise on. Then we have this. In 1968 the Gun Control Act was passed but gun owners were told that the 4472's that were to be generated by it were never going to be used for registration, let alone confiscation. Unless Connecticut has some state paperwork, then the 4472's are exactly what are to be used for confiscation.

My take on it is this...there will be several quick test cases where the person having their guns confiscated will have compromises making it look like they deserved it in the news media. Maybe somebody who technically was not a legal gun owner anyway. This will make it more palatable to the average guy. Some people will get killed. Lot of gun owners will get scared and cave. Sorry to be negative, but that's how I see it.

Where is Tedster? I mean, he would have been excellent as a General in the Nam, if it weren't for all that [bleep] his pants to avoid going thing. Why isn't Ted up there telling the gun owners what to do?

tis a dilemma, on the one hand I'm for states rights

but otoh how can a state violate our Constitution?


ohhh what a slippery slope we seem to be descending upon

They will poll their officers and those that are in lock-step with the gun-grabbers will be promoted to a jack-booted raid squads. Bet on it.

Looks like this might get interesting, also looks like some folks (Leo and Civilians) have a decision to make.

Those naive enough to believe that any substantial number of LEOs will side with citizens and the Constitution rather than their government checks needs to read this current thread about government pensions:

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...v_t_Worker_Pension_Reform_on#Post8611253

This could get interesting!

Dikk sukker democrats have already made up their minds. Did I mention democrats are chit eaters? Burn em with their obama stickers. Bounty em like coyotes.

It seems like there is more interest in Doc's non-vacation and whether TAK is "real" than there is in this threat. Make no mistake, this one state threat is a threat to all gun owners, just like Connecticut threatening one citizen of their state is a threat to all their citizens. This is real-time.

Yep, I'm a pimple-face hologram in my mom's basement. I never existed.

Whether or not Ted Nugent [bleep] his pants to get out of Vietnam is more important than Connecticut residents losing their guns, going to jail and maybe dying. Good to know.

A lot of the "respected" members here would rather gang up on somebody and flame the [bleep] out of them than they would read about fo-real threats to their very existence and attempts to formulate realistic, non-violent responses. The later the hour of the day and the emptier the bottle, whether it be pill bottle or adult beverage, the worse it gets on that score.

The wolf is at the door.

At the same time 100 million gun owners and 5 million NRA members. Could be gun owners like being sodomized. Stupid [bleep].

Obama will gladly send in the troops after the first local leo takes a bullet.

FU K.GOV

Place the blame with democrats. If you can't, thats because you are one.

Someone will be along shortly to explain why the NRA is bad for gun owners.

This is not news.

I suspect that the silence of the board is in contemplation.

Just what will you do when they come for you.

Growing suspicion in those who watch carefully. Incident after incident narrows the possibilities of motive.

Attacks on liberty from so many fronts.

Where will the spark come from that starts the fire.

In answer to your other question, I don't telegraph. I think the silence is more because there is little interest in this topic and more in soap operas revolving around Doc Rocket's sig line or TAK's identity. We are a gun forum. That's what it should be about first and foremost.

They DO. It's called DP-3 and is filled out evey time a firearm is purchased in CT. One copy goes to the state police, another goes to the chief law enforcement in the buyers community. That has been CT law for many years.

You Nailed it! They will take paycheck and Pension over Constitution every time. All of em.

I like that. I like that a lot. Mind ifen I borrow it?

Thanks

Illegal aliens kill more Americans than assault rifles but they wont go door to door and enforce those laws.. Lady Justice is being raped by these Nazi [bleep] control freaks.. It has nothing to do with our safety but to get us ready for re-education.

Anybody who violates the constitution should pay a price and just might. Bill Clinton and Janet Reno hold as much responsibility for Oklahoma bombing as Timothy McVeigh by inciting violence through targeting specific groups, just like our current dictator.

It's a bitch to oppress an armed citizen..

If you do not see the wierdo on the bus... Maybe it is you...

??? My dog ate my gun.
Mebee these "non-compliers" should form a church, then gather all their "illegal" weapons, their women and children. Have supplies of food and water and occupy a building/stronghold until this blows over.
After all, they are Americans.
The gubbamint would not dare attack with force, with women and children and babies and pregnant women present? Would they�
Meanwhile people "armed" with flowers can act as a buffer between the "non-compliers" and any Constitution "trampling" "I was only following orders" LEO's.
Yeah, that would work... and an army of NRA lawyers getting court injuctions against the authorities.
Oh and people marching and protesting...
Yeah, that would work

you forgot the heavy sarcasm icon. lol

I noted that too and thought about saying something, but I figured Heavywalker's main intent was to keep the conversation going since this is real as opposed to two guys getting into it over bored stupidity.

How does Conneticut know that these people did not register their magazines? Scary.

That's too bad. It looks like it is a blueprint for everybody that thinks registration by banning private sales with no paperwork DOESN'T have consequences.

Don't believe it for a minute.

When you put their badge and gun on the desk and walk away from their fatcat paychecks and bennys, then you can believ they stand with the subjects of Conn.

new Yorkistan is the same way. Until they stand with us as subjects instead of against us as overlords, they are NOT to be trusted.

The police will follow orders. Period.

Maybe not all of them, but those that don't will not defend you against the ones that will follow unlawful orders.

Bwahahahaha!

That's the sort of thing that will be issuing the orders to send the SWAT to your home to confiscate the property you purchased with your hard earned dollars, and in the process shoot your dogs.

Folks who think that the Cops won't actively enforce this have rocks in their head. First off, in Connecticut most of the Cops will believe these measures to be perfectly reasonable as will a majority of the population.

Faced with legal/punitive action, MOST owners will cave. They might swear to move out of state but they will still give in. Even setting family considerations aside, would it be worth it to many to lose all they have over a few 20 round mags or to 'fessing up what the State already knows: that they bought one of these rifles in Connecticut at some point.

Even for holdouts with "secret" rifles and mags, where would they shoot them? And if they instead hoard them in some discrete location, the State has only to wait. Sooner or later family members or next of kin, appalled at the risk they run, will dispose of them or turn them over.

Laws quickly become social norms. Seen it in England (where all my Brit relatives think even I am a fringe Redneck loony), seen it in New York State.

JMHO,
Birdwatcher0

Or your wife and son if you are like our friend Randy Weaver.

Well said.

The only Republicans who aren't in lock step with 99% of the Democrat agenda are the small minority associated with The Tea Party, i.e., those the Republican establishment is attempting to crush.

Same old, same old......likely why many haven't bothered to respond.

Are some cops going to go along with a confiscation order...yep. Are some citizens going to meekly comply....yep. Folks is folks as a member here is fond of saying. Some will follow blindly, some will sit on the sidelines and watch (and biotch), while others stand.

Only "you" know, or think you know, the cops in your area. If they're of the "go along" type you only have yourselves in that AO to blame. I know where my guys stand. I trust all but one to do the right thing.

George

Don't jump to conclusions and don't come off as arrogant as this crap will spread like cancer. You all NEED to come to terms with what you will have to do when faced with similar stupidity and NONE of you are immune to this crap. Just a matter of time. The enemy advances a thousand attacks. We CANNOT actively defend against each one as that would exhaust our resources (the primary reason for so many attacks). Instead of panning them or telling them to run away, try giving active support to Conneticut gun owners. Battles need to be fought where they surface and this is the opening guns.

Illegal aliens cannot own a firearm in Connecticut.

Are there any illegal aliens in Connecticut?

Like Bob/Isaac, the good friend of all gun owning Americans?

+1, but I assumed he was being sarcastic.

This.

What must be done to get the state to RED status? Good luck with that.

For most Cops the orders wont be "unlawful" but perfectly "reasonable".

We ain't talking "take all your guns" here, just register some kinds and their hi-cap mags. This is how these things are done, by increments.

Almost nobody will be willing to lose all by violent resistance over a few guns and mags that the State knows you own anyway, and those few if any that do will likely be so far outside the norm that it would be easy for the MSM to portray them as deranged kooks, their probable gun collection laid out for the cameras after the fact.

And any LEO's killed or injured would only stir up further outrage against "radical" gun owners.

Passive, non-violent non-compliance and political action are the only realistic paths to follow as has worked so far in Canada.

Birdwatcher

Let's get a couple things straight here. First, it's a Form 4473.

Second - as to these 'confiscation' letters. IIRC many of us here warned those who live in CT that this 'registration' of magazine etc., WOULD lead to confiscation and we were roundly poo-pooed for the statements.

Them damn birds are comin' home to roost now, ain't they?

People NEVER learn it appears.. It also appears that the only thing now that might save your collective azzes is if every single citizen in CT that owns these firearms and/or magazines group up and, in ONE BUBBLING MASS OF OUTRAGED CITIZENRY, march right up and into the CT gov't offices and demand the ouster of every single a-hole that voted FOR that stupid-azzed law - especially including the Governor who signed it.

Because, if you don't, the next thing people will see is gov't troops pounding on your door demanding you to surrender and face charges. Now ya gotta make a decision - "whatcha gonna do when they come for youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu?"

The comments listed under the article in the link are EXACTLY what needs to be said - right to the faces of the damn Dems AND the idiot Governor of CT.. It's the damn Dems that started this chit, and the damn Dems need to PAY for it - one way or the other..

Really?
Of the 46 US Senators that voted for the UN Arms Treaty how many were Republicans? Of the 53 that opposed the Treaty how many were Democrats?

How many Republicans voted "yes" for Obama care, both House and senate?

That is exactly right.

What you said sounds just like what the liberals that pushed for these gun control measures said. It was what Obama said.

First comes "Registration".
The avg. citizen will comply because he doesn't want to risk non-compliance.

Next comes what we are seeing in CT.
Again, the avg. citizen complies because he "has too much too do lose" by doing otherwise.

So now they have WHO you are and WHAT guns you own. You have already shown that you are compliant with gun control laws, and all they have to do is keep chipping away at the block that WAS your rights. And you will stay "compliant" when they come for your revolver or pistol. You will stay compliant when they outlaw your scoped hunting rifle as a "sniper weapon that nobody really needs to pursue deer in the woods"...

So now you have your granddads old double barrel shotgun left in your safe along with a single shot, bolt action .22 that you got for your 10th birthday.

They pass a law that says you cannot keep those in your home, and the police will be by to pick them up, along with all ammo you have for them to take them to a state run "gun club" where you can go check them out to do some target practice or hunting, but, they only let you have 5 rounds of ammo, and you must return all the empty shells before you can get more ammo...

You sit back and wish you had fought what they started long ago. But, the reality of things is the fact that you stood silent and personally allowed the steps that stripped your rights. There is nobody to blame but "you".

The fact that you allowed the government to KNOW what you had, and allowed them to take a single thing from you or your home, proves that you became a "subject" and gave up your rights as a "citizen" with the first step they took... Passing gun registration laws.

Well, how many state senators and reps will lose their jobs in Nov over this law? At least Colorado nailed a few of these leftists and sent a strong message.

Maybe Chris Christie will save them.

Just saw that he's taken a hit on his approval ratings for the bridge stuff. The left doesn't even want a RINO to survive.

He's struggling in NJ, Connecticut needs more than Christie can give.

Ah yes, blue states!

It starts right here. Those that say private party sales without paperwork are a "loophole" need to be verbally smacked down. Essentially this is what Connecticut has and it laid the groundwork. It's the difference between being able to practice civil disobedience or doing hard time in the Federal Slam for fifteen years.

Right? Speaking of RINOs, all the union guys are voting in the (Texas) Republican primary for Cornyn.

I havn't seen that! I did see he's hammering his nearest competitor...Stockman.

After the last couple threads on this mess in Conn. and many Conn members chiming in that they complied because they had too much to lose, or were afraid of retribution or prosecution, I mulled this over a bit.
Then a few nights ago I was watching a documentary on genocide, which of course focused on the Holocaust and the Einsatzgruppen(sp?)
And as I'm watching these people being led to the pits I'm wondering how many of them ( apparently ALL) complied because they were afraid of retribution, prosecution, and had too much to lose�..

THIS!

It starts quietly.

Very well said per usual.

And then I was watching the news on the Ukraine. Citizens breaking bricks apart so they had something to throw, citizens carrying flimsy worthless makeshift shields ,citizens fighting with a pellet gun, because its the only gun they had, and unarmed citizens being cut down in the streets by the police.

I say again, the people in Conn are on the front lines of this, like it or not, and they have a moral obligation to the rest of the country to NOT COMPLY.

It's really hard to tell. Late polls don't work very well in Texas, where half or more people vote before election day. $19 Million vs. $35K is hard to beat.

There is a huge difference. Ukraine didn't vote their guys into power.

Thats a whole 'nother kettle of fish Pat�I'm not awful sure we did either�.

Yankees fold like lawn chairs.

WE didn't, but Connecticut did.

Not a single one.

Colorado will Re-elect Democrats in the 3 seats that were up for recall the next time they come up for election.

The ONLY reason the Rep. were victorious in the Recall elections was because there were no Democrat funded Libertarian spoilers on the ballot.
You can be sure that the Democrats will make sure there are plenty of (L) candidates to siphon just enough Republican votes to ensure Democrat victories across the board.

This tactic has worked and worked well in the past and it will continue to work in the future. Not only in CO, but in CT and the rest of the country as well.

That is why they feel comfortable doing what they are doing there. It ain't rape if they consent.

Sure, and "we", as those not on the front line, have the obligation to support them. Most won't, though, and just figure it will only happen to the Yankees (or flatlanders as we refer to CT, NJ, etc. In NH). Much easier to watch and complain.....

Perhaps the few in Conn. would be emboldened to NOT comply if they had support. Say...several tens of thousands of vehicles headed to Conn. to say "NO" the UNITED STATES citizens aren't going to stand for that. If the other 49, okay, we'll give HI and AK a pass, so if the other 47 states would send huge caravans of vehicles to start clogging the CT highways... perhaps, perhaps someone would get the message and realize they've barked up the wrong tree.

And perhaps this would also adjust the attitude of LEO's who would otherwise follow their masters orders, to come to the realization that they TOO could perhaps loose everything over a few magazines and rifles and thus contemplate if it's worth it.

Or everyone could sit behind their keyboards with their hot-toddies, telling gunowners in Connecticut what THEY SHOULD be doing and how THEY should do it. After all, it's THEIR duty to resist and not comply...for the sake of the rest of us...who are comfortably sitting on the sidelines bitching.

So, the question begs: Are YOU willing to go to Connecticut and die for "the cause"?

There is a reason they aren't doing that first in Texas. There is a reason CT and NY are on the frontline. Years being liberal ass Yankees waiting to get [bleep].

Congratulations, they got just what they've been voting for.

6 million gun owners in NY and Cuomo wins with 2.9million votes. The math is easy.

CT has been [bleep] us all along with the way they continue to vote. Let them stew in their own shiet.

Their state and I'm all for state rights.

Understood......but what are "we" going to say post-amnesty when TX suddenly becomes a D state ( shudder)? I dislike a lot of portions of this Country, but not enough to throw them under the bus.

Two excellent paragraphs sir.. Kudos..


Look - the bottom line (IMVHO) is this: Y'all seem to have but two choices now.

1) wait for some gov't LEO, with his LEO friends, to pound on your door and take you away; easily done since you're just ONE person they have to deal with (and once you're convicted of a felony, ALL your guns go) or ---

2) Group up/mass up with every firearm owning citizen of CT and make your way to the capital - in an overwhelming show of public force, demanding some REAL change, or else.. A force large enough and loud enough that those a-holes running CT will have NO choice but to comply with your demands because they'll finally see that the alternative will mean THEY have a helluva lot to lose...

Y'all have a bit of time....but just a bit - to make your decision.. I think others will agree - at least, for now, the best advice is to begin organizing, and FAST...

That would be an easy call if CT was asking us to help them fight the aggression of a tyrannical aggressor. The aggressor is them.

They threw themselves under the bus. MOVE and make more gunowers in friendly states.

2008 presidential election. Light blue is 50-60 percent Obama, dark blue 60-70 percent. Not a single area that the majority didn't vote for Obama.

There are more gun owners in CT than the number that voted for Malloy.

Time for people in other places to realize that votes can matter.

CT gun owners need to march on the capital NOW!

If they don't peacefully protest & resist today, they will have to violently defend themselves tomorrow.

Yep, 600,000 at the doors will make a statement. I'm all for helping those that help themselves.

I couldn't agree more. They voted for this, they have nobody to blame but themselves. Bend over and take, you deserve it. Enjoy.

Texas goes blue it's all over.

Now you're cookin'!

There is still, in this nation, reason to consider and vote carefully. Apparently some in Ct. failed in this regard.

Many years before Illinois passed the still new Concealed Carry Law, some carried anyway, confident that the constitution had their back. Some pay the price as convicted felons still today.
I've questioned whether a law that was determined to be unconstitutional a year ago, must also have been unconstitutional 20 years ago, but few wish to tackle that issue.

No doubt, some in Connecticut will pay a price. I doubt though that this law will stand constitutional muster.

I will not leave my job and travel to Ct. to protest.
I will contribute funds to the 2AF if they have an action underway to combat this insanity. If someone has a link to such an endeavor, please contribute.

We've all been accepting the same bullchit for decades. Every time we consent to fill out a form, wait x number of days, apply for ffl's, concealed carry permits....

The fact is we've jumped the shark.

ZERO republican votes for Obama care when it was passed. But, that doesn't mean they haven't worked behind the scenes to impliment it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If the polititian isn't supported by the TEA PARTY, they don't deserve a vote. There are two political parties in this country. The Progressives and the TEA PARTY.

Fixed it for you.

Put a HUGE For Sale sign in your front yard.

It is easy to moan about police being unwilling to walk away from their jobs.

Do you believe strongly enough to do exactly what you say the cops should do?

Not gonna happen in connecticut.

It's funny to read members here be so critical of us CT forum members. What ever happened to standing by and supporting your brothers? I didn't elect these officials that are jamming these laws down my throat, yet I'm lumped in with those who did.
The state I was born in and have lived in all my life except for my military stint has been been slowly going further and further in the shi77er. I vote every election, as do all my family members. I write letters, emails and speak with my elected officials. I see dozens of friends who empathize and act as I do.....but I also see how greatly outnumbered we are.
Until recently I had hope we could reverse this liberal leaning....but it'll never happen until there is a revolution in this state or country. The battle will be short and crushing because there are so few of us to fight it in CT., but I'd give my life to defend the constitutional rights of my wife, children and every other American in this great nation.
I agree that apathy has landed this state in a real bind. I see the generation older than me who has sat on their hands and allowed this to happen. Does this make them bad people? Not in my book. Will they defend their rights? Darn straight they will. Even then we are severely the minority in this state.
The biggest mistake I've ever made was coming back to CT. Family ties pulled me here. I'd love to up and move to Texas, but again, family ties keep me here. So be it, guess I'm on the front line of what will become a national battle. I may be in the first state it happens, but it won't be the last state.
I applaud those who support us, and shake my head at those who believe in the second amendment as I do , yet still say I'm getting what I deserve for simply living in CT.

I don't think they throw the people under the bus, just the stupidity that allows desecration of the Constitution.

Are you getting notices to surrender weapons? Have you given them up? Are you compliant with the unlawful acts against gun owners there?

Not judging you... Just curious.

I've not given up or registered anything. Nor do I intend to.

If anyone wants to donate to the cause in Ct, the CCDL, ct citizens defense league is a great place to start.
http://www.ccdl.us

God bless you. Stand strong. Don't abandon your state. That would just be just as much a victory for the commies as if they had invaded it with an army.

That I can support!

One other burning question is where are organizations like the NRA & GOA on this? You would think they would be on it like ugly on ape...BEFORE it got to the confiscation phase.

And the NSSF? Where are they? ....Oh yeah! I forgot. Their headquartered in Newtown, CT. (Of all places)

Mass civil disobedience to a law will get their attention. Our brothers and sisters in CT must rise up against a tyrannical government and defeat them at their own game.
They must unite politically('14 mid terms) and push back using the courts for an injunction and a class action lawsuit.
This is what the enviro-wackos do all the time. While the majority stay ambivalment, the activists win the victories.
You in CT must now become the acitivists.

Leaving the state isn't the answer, it delays the inevitable.

You keep beating this drum, but buddy - you don't live here. You don't listen to our radio stations, read our newspapers or see the grassroots swelling up here in Colorado. No democrat will ever again win in Colorado Springs. Pueblo, it is possible for a Dem to win that seat because Pueblo is is over 50% democrat and only 30% Republican. That being said, the person elected to replace Giron is Latino (big in Pueblo), is former law enforcement and if he does a good job getting out and meeting with the people, he may be able to hold the seat. Hudak's seat will go Republican. Pueblo is not that big and they threw out one of their own. Jeanne Nicholson in Golden and Rachel Zenzinger in Arvada (Hudaks replacement) are toast. Cheri Jahn in Wheatridge and Andy Kerr are at risk. Republicans need one seat to get a majority in the Senate and we will get that. Hickenlooper is not popular right now after the gun stuff, the renewable energy attack on rural electric coops and he essentially commuted the death sentence of a mass murderer because "he was depressed when he killed them". Hick also had a friend's son released early from prison (horrible prison record) and he promptly killed a Domino's pizza guy and then went and assassinated the director of Colorado prisons.

The repubs have a good candidate in Secretary of State Scott Gessler, who has won state-wide. The question is the house. I expect to see a lot fo the rural counties that have dem reps throw them out if they voted for the gun bills and the renewable energy bill.

Jonathon Singer in Longmont is at risk.
Tony Exum in Colorado Springs is in trouble. Toast.
Pete Lee in Colorado Springs is also in trouble. Toast.
Max Tyler of Lakewood only took 50% of the vote in 2012. Toast.

Tracy Kraft Tharp of Arvada only got 51% in 2012.
Dianne Primavera in Broomfield has a majority republican voters and she narrowly won is her last election by 314 votes. Toast.

There were a couple of dem house members from rural areas who voted against the gun grabbers, so we need 6-7 seats out 65 to switch.

Ever hear of Lexington and Concord?

In Connecticut, donating money I don't think will help. I think the only thing that will help is massive civil disobedience.

If it takes 2A issues to fire up the base, so be it. Because along with 2A issues, the socialists in-charge also believe in immigration reform, more gov. spending, more taxation, more EPA regualtions and so forth.
So when you mobilize to protect the 2A, you are also working to oust liberals/socialists from state and federal positions.

If you didn't vote for a liberal, we're not being critical of you. It's the 70+% who do that we hold in contempt. Unless that changes, there is nothing anybody else can do.

The democrats will keep pushing little by little until they are all removed from office. As long as they are in the government we will have stupid guns laws pushed on us. Look what happen in Colorado and I thought the state was pro gun. By the large population centers out voted the rest of the state. Now we have stupid magazine laws. We lost a lot of jobs with Magpul(they left Colorado), several movie companies, and several hunting companies.The democrats have to be removed and the republicans watched like a hawk.

I'm starting to think that most who run as Republicans are just Democrats who can't get elected if they tell the truth about what they really believe in.

Thanks for the link jmillo, I just made a donation...

It is in my case. I have been following this closely. I believe this my be the start of the end of this country. I will be shocked if citizens do not die.

Picture a camera shot looking across the front yards of a typical CT neighborhood. Further, imagine two-thirds of those yards with a sign like this in it.

And if they do who will sound the alarm???? So that millions converge on the SOB's and put a stop to the bullshitz.



Take care, Willie

I agree but it feels wrong to sit by my warm fire on the other side of the country, encourage those on the front lines, and tell them what to do. My silence on this issue was wondering exactly what I would do faced with the same situation in my front yard with the State Police or the National Guard in full body armor telling me I have to give up my guns or die with my family.

Not all of us.

That is one form. You also need to fill out a DPS-3. You clearly do not know or understand CT firearms laws.

The word will get out. It will get out here is nowhere else. I can't see the main stream media reporting a bunch of dead civilians who believed in the Constitution. Then it will be up to folks like us to tell the world.

It will be a good day when those sorry sob's realize the bullshitz over.


Take care, Willie

Yes Sir, it will be a day I rejoice.

It's name is butch and it's not just a pistol It straps on.

Here's the liberal discussion on the issue. I think I even read on there that bloomberg is right wing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172138240

I know that there's a DPS-3.. I was referring to the incorrect info in the earlier posts that referred to a form '4472'.. That, is why I corrected it to the proper form 4473..

Clearly, you did not comprehend my earlier post.. I must have stated it clumsily..

Exactly.

Sorry Redneck I thought you were referring to the post about the DPS-3. My mistake.

I did a little searching for social media groups that support gun rigbts in Connecticut and found a site on Facebook called -

Gun Control=More Crime Connecticut

Wouldn't hurt a bit for those of us who use FB to show them a little support. There're also more articles on this topic posted there.

Coming to a state near you: IT'S A GOOD DAY TO DIE!!!

Theres a WHOLE LOT of non-violent ways to practice civil disobedience before we get to the high octane stuff. Some options:
1. Don't comply with the registration- I personally don't think they have the manpower or inclination to follow up on it.
2. Those guns and mags that fall under their scrutiny should be transferred out of state to relatives etc, or get reported as stolen before the enactment date.
3. Sell the suspect guns and use the money for something equally useful i.e. a nice long range rifle set-up
4. If you got 'em, and are hiding them, then don't unhide them by shooting in your backyard range with your AR etc. Wait for it to blow over or blow up.


Just a thunk.


For those of you who expressed the need to maintain family ties in Conn, I appreciate that, but if it gets to the level of confiscation, make no mistake, your family is in danger. Action in the form of relocation etc. must be taken.

Connecticut citizens do not have a history of running away from oppressive governments.

People need to communicate, organize, and exhibit a unified show of force. Rebelling individuals have no chance.

There are plenty of agency folks around that will have no qualms about seizing arms.

If I remember right, that is exactly what happened at Ruby Ridge when more than a hundred people came to support Randy Weaver and his family. Nobody did anything while the law shot his son and wife. But they were there.

'How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: what would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if during periods of mass arrests people had simply not sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand. ... The Organs [police] would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers ... and notwithstanding all of Stalin�s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt.' - Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Now is the time to reread Solzhenitsyn, this time as survival manuals.

I think they got there after that happened. I believe Weaver credited Bo Gritz, the most decorated Special Forces soldier in Vietnam IIRC, with saving his life. I think that Wyoming attorney who eventually defended Randy was there too. It ended badly but could have been worse.

Gerry Spence.

'Although we give lip service to the notion of freedom, we know that government is no longer the servant of the people but, at last, has become the people's master. We have stood by like timid sheep while the wolf killed -- first the weak, then the strays, then those on the outer edges of the flock, until at last the entire flock belonged to the wolf.' - Gerry Spence

Bingo.

This is a damned good thread and a needful one.

Thanks.

Everything old is new, again, it seems.

Maybe if we learn to see the patterns a bit earlier we can keep them from repeating their last century of democide of many millions in this new century.

250 years ago. The ones with any get up and go, got up and went.

I can't imagine anyone that fought at Concord or Lexington electing Obama or banning firearms, but what do I know.

What is amazing to me is the hundreds of thousands of Americans that have fought and died defending freedom... All over the world, and most people can't see that it is being taken away from us here at breakneck speed, and nobody lifts a finger to do anything about it.

Hell, 50 years ago, even democrats were freedom loving Americans.

No more.

Right. Let me know when Connecticut is invaded by tyrants that they didn't vote for and I'll be there as fast as I can.

It's no different than that guy that dropped out of school to smoke dope. Never took a decent job, just stayed at home and smoked dope, now suddenly he needs money for something and I'm supposed to help out.

You're wrong Steelie, I think...

although Ct. liberals outnumber the good guys, there are still good guys there.
According to your way of thinking Sam Houston got what he deserved from the mexicans?

I'm asking here, as much as telling. trying to see where you're coming from...

And the rest of us get what we deserved because "we" elected Zero. Point is, from here on out "we" will always be the minority and underdog.

By that way of thinking "we" may as well all go belly up and give up because we're getting what "we" voted for.
A good number of those in CT are not getting what they voted for because they didn't vote for it.

My whole country has been invaded by tyrants I didn't vote for.

Word...

I'll say it again:

Perhaps the few in Conn. would be emboldened to NOT comply if they had support. Say...several tens of thousands of vehicles headed to Conn. to say "NO" the UNITED STATES citizens aren't going to stand for that. If the other 49, okay, we'll give HI and AK a pass, so if the other 47 states would send huge caravans of vehicles to start clogging the CT highways... perhaps, perhaps someone would get the message and realize they've barked up the wrong tree.

And perhaps this would also adjust the attitude of some LEO's who would otherwise follow their masters orders, to come to the realization that they TOO could perhaps loose everything over a few magazines and rifles and thus contemplate if it's worth it.

Or everyone could sit behind their keyboards with their hot-toddies, telling gunowners in Connecticut what THEY SHOULD be doing and how THEY should do it. After all, it's THEIR duty to resist and not comply...for the sake of the rest of us...who are comfortably sitting on the sidelines bitching.

So, the question begs: Are YOU willing to go to Connecticut and die for "the cause"?

There seems to be no shortage of soap boxs around here, nor people to stand on them. Change the names below to states...


First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me. (Niem�ller)


Stand united, or fall divided.

Why don't you take one for the team and go lift its leg and check.

^This^, Exactly. Lot's of tough guys... behind a keyboard.

That be Detective Barbara J. Matson, Ct state Police.

pics

Maybe we should let them have that place!

I am thinking a bunch of the people in Connecticut will be just like the many Jews who were well to do business people, teachers, doctors and such in the Third Reich.

Uhhhh, he got Texas.

Why don't you take one for the team and go lift its leg and check. [/quote]


That sh*t made me laugh

There are too many citizens who are getting a government check of some kind, be it welfare, social security, pay check, or retirement, for "the people" to stand up for their rights.

The guys in Conn.....should head to the polls and VOTE.....that will show .gov who the boss is! ...........lololololololol!

Just like Hillary strategically chose NY, I'm betting this is a strategic battle as well. One they count on winning due to apathy on the part of the rest of us.
For crisakes, most of us would leave family, job, house payments, car payments, kids in college, sick parents...
Most of the things we feel tied to are nothing more than traps that have been laid for decades by the lawyers that write the laws in this country.

For one, I can tell you I'm enslaved to a mortgage that I've gained just $10,000 on principle on in 10 years of payments of $900 a month. Now isn't it convenient that all the financial angles have been so cleverly leveraged for so many decades that we are now unable to leave and join those in Connecticut? Freedom was lost when lawyers and bankers took control of the country and good and decent people stood by and let it happen.

We may own guns a little while longer, but we've been enslaved for decades. Hell, one electromagnetic pulse and 98% of our vehicles will be sitting in the driveway unable to move. The water's already boiling, you just don't feel it anymore.

I'd be skeered to even get near such a freakazoid , that schit might be contagious.

Mike

If I were a CT citizen I would be doing everything in my power to build a network of people that can obtain a copy of the list of people that have not registered.

Once you have that list you can start to get organized. Without organization you're not going to achieve anything.

Then, once organized, you perform very low cost, high volume actions. i.e. Everybody e-mail the same newspaper on the same day. Next day, the next newspaper. All at the same time. Then, certain elected officials. All the same day, all the same time. Then, protests. All the same day, all the same time.

A list may not be essential, but eventually you're gonna need to know who you need to gather up. Because laws like this force people into wanting to maintain anonymity. So mass "announcements" will only be effective to a point.

This would be my strategy if I were in this situation in my own state.


Travis

Send it my way.

Buncha [bleep]' cowards.


Travis

That b*tch has a wedding band on her finger, wonder what the snatch licker she's with looks like?

^^Yep^^

'There are two distinct classes of men in the nation, those who pay taxes, and those who receive and live upon the taxes.' - Thomas Paine

She's the same as every other ugly woman I've met. Putty in my hands.



Travis

Good call.
But, what are we gunna do when they shut down communications? Our favorite website is no longer available. Our cell phone mysteriously doesn't work anymore. Everything's electronic nowadays, so how fast can we adjust to going without it?

You gotta get to the bridge before you cross it.

I'm talking about right now, today, real world. What would I do? That is what I would do.


Travis

I wonder why she didn't go the whole nine yards and get the operation.

Hang Tough CT, we all bitch back and forth but I doubt there's one here who wouldn't saddle up and help out our Brothers in CT holding fast and putting up the good fight.

Gunner

Whatever it is, it should be outlawed!

Ham radio will be the last method of communication that will be shut down. Get your self a portable and an extra 12 volt battery and be prepared.

"We have people like Isaac on here saying that Universal Registration is something we can compromise on."

What we need is Universal Registration of the Mentally Ill.

That's a cute thing to say. Only problem is the same people trying to take your guns will be the same people defining "mentally ill."



Travis

I guess there is a miniscule a microscopic chance some poor blind slob of a man married that thing.

Already hung..tits come of next week?

Spot-on.

They will be defining any one with a gun as mentally defective. Doesn't the form say mentally defective? That term does not have any meaning yet. They are trying to label gun owners so that everybody else will agree with them and thus no protests because the feds are just going after mentally defective people and we all know how bad those people are.

Huh?


Travis

Just......damn. Dude......

(laffin')

No sheriffs in CT, our police both local and state will obey the orders they are given...Their jobs are on the line if they don't.

Yes there are and we give them identification cards

A lot of blame on Connecticut gun owners going on here. What the hell happened to THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? Remember, one nation under God indivisible.

I must be wrong, getting old, mind failing, because that is the way I remember it. What happened to those who swore an oath to this country when they enlisted. I remember a part of that oath having something to do defending the Constitution. I do not remember being released from that oath.

I am old, busted up and broke. The last part is the only reason I am not headed to Connecticut to stand with fellow US citizens against this crap.

Nobody I know is willing to actually fight back under any circumstances, they all will eventually comply. Now if confiscation actually comes to include my legally registered guns....well then I hope that they let me move them out of state. But if I'm going to be a felon by default, I can honestly say that I will not be siting in jail. I'm ok with that, my wife is not.

That is very noble but you have to remember that the people of CT elected the people that are passing these laws.

It is now on the citizens of CT to organize and repeal these laws their elected officials have put into play.

Every gun owner wants to go from zero to the Ukraine in the bat of an eye. The reality is the citizens of CT need to get cracking.


Travis

Our only hope for legal action: http://www.ccdl.us/


The NRA has been no where to be found!

Once they get them all accounted for they will be able to tax you until you can't afford to own one anymore.

Two dem US Senators in Conn. One has to be up for election at the mid terms. Start there it will send a message. Vote them out. Hasbeen

My take on what WildWest is saying is that he's speaking of the Law Enfocement teams at work in California rounding up the guns of people who bought them and then later were found to be not able to legally possess guns either before or after the fact. This includes people who later had mental problems, unless I'm mistaken. Let's say you bought a gun in 1972 but in 1974 had a "nervous breakdown" and were hospitalized for a month. You've still got that gun and have demonstrated no further "mental problems" yet California is going to say you are not fit to own a gun and confiscate it and possibly put you in jail.

I sit in the same place. My state votes Dem almost every time. I do not and many gun owners do not but Seattle votes for the whole state. I can cast only one vote unlike the democrats. If it were not for the long history of good gun laws here in WA I could well be getting the same letter.

Some say it would be my fault. I should just walk away from our farm and all we have invested. Sure they would tell every gun owner in WA to sell and move but a now 600,000 dollar piece of property will not sell in a month. Then there is the issue of where to go. Is any state permanently free of liberal takeover. What about the feds.

It is time to draw a line in the sand and make our stand. I doubt we will win but to give up without a real fight is not in me.

How do you know she didn't?

We hear that on a daily basis on this forum. I didn't vote for him or any Democrat yet I am getting what I deserve? Never have understood that kind of thinking.

My friend, I have no words. God bless you.

And you as well my friend. I am pretty sure you would be standing beside me if we could go to CT.

You sure about that ...? No Sheriff's in CT ?

Dang and I thought Bowsinger is the super optimist but you may have just taken the prize.

I'm coming from a half a century of a state voting more and more liberal, loving unions and government hand outs and sheltering in place.

I'm coming from a state that has more gun owners than the total number of people that voted for that shiethead governor.

I'm coming from a state that likely only 20% of the gun owners fall into the 'must register' category and the other 80% say 'that don't have anything to do with me'

Don't be angry at me, the enemy is all around them and in the mirror. No that the rubber has hit the pavement THEY want 'help'

It's time to let a whole bunch of people stew in the mess they picked. They asked for it, they got it.

Until they start doing something I'm not inclined to help at all.

I'll deal with my state and my neighbors, I suggest they do the same. Unfortunately they've been spoon feed for too long, let them reap it.

This is what I'm talking about. "Lines in the sand" etc... It is time to organize and get on the same front as gun owners. Nobody is doing that in these hostile states. The ability to overturn things with common sense and legal, calculated efforts is still there. But all anybody wants to talk about is some [bleep]' revolution.

If your state is [bleep], you need to get to unphukking real quick like.

And people keep commenting on the NRA. WTF do they think the NRA is going to do? They have to wait for hearings, fight them in court, and win. That's how the NRA wins battles. They can't just go have a sit down with a progressive governor and walk away the victor.


Travis

Bad attitude to be bringin' to the wall.

Losing is not an option

GTC

Dying trying is.

This is where the problem really lies. Well said.

Reminds me of the Gun Owners here in MN. Driving their big ass 4x4's with gun rack in the back window, and bumper stickers galore. Bumper stickers that say, Union Worker for Obama, Buck Fush, Franken for Senate, and Right in the Middle of all this Socialist propaganda is an NRA sticker. Now how [bleep] is that? About as [bleep] as 70% of CT voting for Obama and Company then crying for help when their state turn into a Sheet hole.

well our sheriffs do important stuff like transport prisoners, they have no arrest powers

much talk of us being outnumbered, and there's some basis in fact for that, but organization and education are the keys as has been pointed out by other posters.

but right is right, and we have the Constitution on our side.


look at the black civil rights movement, what percentage of our population is black? but through organization, a strong collective voice and peaceful demonstration, much legislation was enacted to ensure that civil liberties were granted regardless of race.

same with the gays, a tiny percentage of Americans whether you go with the outrageous (to my mind) claim of 20% to something more that seems reliable of less than 10%, that now we have pending legislation or passed legislation that regardless of sexual orientation those folks are to be treated as equals.

whether you're for or against either one of those two groups, the fact remains that through organization and a collective voice, they've made great strides for their causes despite the odds.


bottom line is the squeaky wheel gets the grease


as Travis pointed out, albeit in slightly different language (grin) it's TIME for gunowners to start squeaking and squealing

granted there's a percentage of gunowners that fall in with the thought that no one needs a black rifle or normal capacity mags for those type weapons.

but they need to be educated that there is indeed a need for people to have those type weapons.

certainly if I lived near the border like crossfireoops and others in that part of the country I believe it would be prudent to be armed with a high capacity weapon.

same with the folks that endured Katrina and the ensuing looting.

how are you to successfully to defend your home or store from a gang of looters with Joe Biden's double barreled shotgun in those moments when the resources of our LEO are stretched to the breaking point or due to distance such as along the border are too far away to provide timely help?

better to start squeaking and squealing to see if we can get some relief from this type of legislation.

again as Travis, and others, have pointed out, armed confrontation will be the detriment to preserving our rights

perhaps there may indeed come a time when that becomes necessary, but if we don't exhaust all peaceful remedies before doing so then we've failed as to what it means to be a law abiding citizen from my view.

no reason in the world that law abiding citizens shouldn't be allowed to arm themselves with technology that gives them a fighting chance against daunting odds.

but we'll need to form a collective voice and presence to educate folks of our God given right to do so.

best of luck Conn.! hope you take the fight to them on your capitol steps

I am all for Travis' ideas. Tell me where to start and I will show up if at all possible.

You need to do a few simple things and it will help.

1- Ditch your contract cell phones and get a "Smart Talk" or trac phone. I call them "Minute Man phones". Don't tie it to a bank account, buy your minutes as you go. Without a name or bank account attached to the phone, the MASTERS won't be able to wiretap your phone, because on paper you don't have one.

2- develop a modern day "minute man" networks of trusted like minded people. People you can call when the MASTERS come "knocking". You need to give the MASTERS a choice when they come to arrest you or seize your weapons. Leave under their own free will, or be like CUSTER. I have a circle of friends that have said all they need is a call from me and they will come ready for duty. Picture 50 friends surrounding the cops and all carrying.

3- get a list of lawyers who are willing to work for percentages and file CIVIL RIGHTS lawsuits against any officer or official that arrests subjects and seizes their private property. Civil rights lawsuits against police and others requires the OFFICER to pay his way in his defense. The PBA and municipalities by law are NOT allowed to spend money in civil rights lawsuits. If they have to risk everything they have, or will ever have, they may see the wisdom of turning a blind eye or not following bosses orders. If they risk their house, paycheck, freedom, family's wellbeing, bank account, and any future earnings, they might think twice about "just following orders".

4- find well spoken people to take the case to the public and let them pull back the curtains to shine the light of truth on the end goal of the officials.

5- stop buying ANYTHING that comes from Conn. and don't spend any money there. No guns from companies that won't move out [Stag, Mossberg, Colt, etc.], no traveling thru the state, no support AT ALL for anything having to do with Conn. [I have written Remington off and refuse to buy anything with their name on it}.


it's not much, but even these simple things may make a difference when it counts the most.

This thread just proves to me that it is all lost.

As has been mentioned, the wolf is at the door...the day we've all dreaded and nobody will do a darn thing but piss and moan behind their keyboards.

All the tough talk on here. Phhttt...

Folks it's over. This is just a small step toward what will happen nationwide and nobody will do a thing to stop it. If Connecticut can't find willing souls to help here, where they gonna find 'em?


The answer is, they won't. This thread just proves it.


So yeah, you guys in Connecticut, here's what the tough guys on the Campfire expect of you:



Of course, we won't lift a finger to help you, we'll just look at the pictures of you, 30 years later and remember what cowards we were, after all YOU voted for this.
By then we, nor our children, nor our grandchildren will any longer own guns, not that they did us any good anyway against tyranny.

All you have to do is get the gun owners together and threaten a credible "grassroots" rebellion at the polls. If you can't do that, nothing will help you until the Federal Government turns conservative.

Not much you or I can do for the citizens in CT that need to organize the citizens of CT.

The voice of a Washington state citizen isn't going to carry much weight in a CT based newspaper or CT based political headquarters.



Travis

That's true but I would be camping on the CT capital steps if it would help and I could afford it.

And exactly what state is that? You belittle others here, but no one sees where you speak from. Why hide? Is there a reason for your secrecy? Maybe you live in a state were things are going to hell, and you're not doing anything there either?

It will if You, Schrap and the NRA organize all gun owners to converge on the state of CT in protest.

Gunner

This is not true. Everyone has arrest powers.

FYI...I didn't miss that.

in an ideal world, it would seem CT citizens would start there, organizing their own.

while I like dmsbandit's ideas on the mobile phones, I'm not in favor of organizing a militia at this point to come and surround LEO

I think that plays right into the libs hands of trying to portray gunowners as "bloodthirsty, can't wait to bust a cap in someone's azz, fiends"

firearms are one of the most useful tools ever created, but they are or should be reserved for the gravest extreme, to jump the gun (ouch bad pun) and use them prior to exhausting legal remedies and peaceful protest is a grave tactical error imo. YMMV

organized peaceful demonstrations are what's needed along with mass education.

I hear talk all the time about the NRA and how it needs more members, 5 million gun owners send in how much money? Where's the ads run on Connecticut TV? Related to another thread, what part of the funds collected by the NRA go to administrative costs versus actually getting the word out where it's needed?

maybe it's time for the NRA members to put some heat on that body to do some good?

I would think gun stores in CT, would be a great place to start about trying organize gun owners in CT, to fund and fight anti freedom legislation.

Wish WB Ruger was still alive.

Gunner

Freedom is messy and painful. Liberals are cowards who want to be protected and need big government to do it...

I never said to shoot LEO, I said give them a choice. AT concord the British were given a choice and they decided on fighting. One LEO pulls a trigger, it becomes a self-defense issue and they lose. LEO lost the Weaver and WACO legal battles after they opened fire first, and LEO will lose again if the pull the first trigger.

As far as the NRA, I know they and the local affiliate {New York state rifle and pistol association(NYSRPA)] has spent nearly $500,000 so far fighting the NY SAFE ACT in court and they plan to spend over $1.5 million by the time it gets to SCOTUS. NYSRPA has doubled their membership since the NY SAFE ACT past last January. They now have the largest NRA membership in the US.

WINNING, CONQUERING, and living through the scramble holds more appeal to me.

GTC

I think the Feds are going to love this thread.

You should suck em off quick

Confiscate? From my cold Dead hands. And then after they wade through a pile of brass!

NSA is no doubt monitoring...

To be sure, there are factions on both sides that would love to incite violence. Just know that once the sheit hits the fan, there's no turning back as the powers at be WILL institute "legal" Martial Law.

1st, 2nd, 4th, 6th & 10th immediately go bye-bye... Game changer.

Travis I usually see eye to eye with you. But I believe you are wrong here. If 500,000 plus folks from around the country showed up on the steps of our State Capital it would completely overflow into Bushnell Park and the streets of Hartford. Not only would every TV station and newspaper in CT notice and report it but every major news media would be onsite pronto. What that would do is make a small local issue a national issue with support of Millions of loud voices.

thanks for the clarification dmsbandit


imo it's still early for that type of response

but I'll have to be honest, if the group was well regulated, there's something that tickles my fancy of thinking of a group of respected armed citizens in superior numbers circled around some guys house where his only crime is he has a firearm that doesn't meet most favored status.

imo it would just lead to escalation of force, LEO might leave, but they'd come back next time in larger numbers and full SWAT team deployment.

think there's more to be gained at this point by 100's showing up armed with cell phone cameras, video cameras that download instantly to the internet. And informing LEO if you arrest him, arrest us all.

then the ad campaigns start, "this man arrested and taken from his home for what? exercising his Constitutional right...."

though the SC did leave wiggle room for regulation so CT citizens may not have the law on their side.

it's one of the inherent problems in this battle, some folks are gonna have to git bit by the dogs or firehosed or beaten much as the civil rights movement saw.

folks have to be willing to believe in the cause so ferverently they are willing to accept some abuses I'd think for the tide to turn.

They should suck me off quick.

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
- General George Patton Jr

We will win this battle here in Connecticut peacefully.

Yup and you forgot the 22nd!

We are heading into some dangerous times. Watch what happens in AZ this week.

We will support you, just as we did Haiti.

Me too.

I am thinking a million or more peacefully camping on the steps of your capital. I am NOT ready to make the first shot but something like hundreds of vets peacefully standing all around the first house would draw a crowd.

Thanks for the Solzhenitsyn quote.
I don't know if it was you or someone else on the Fire that used it as a "tag" that got me to go to the library and get it. How Alex S. survived all those years in the gulag and live to talk about it is nothing short of a miracle.
Another great book that if you read it you can draw comparisons of what is going on in America now and the Russian Revolution and gain insight on what, how and why we must act.
The book is "A People's Tragedy" - The Russian Revolution 1891 - 1924 written by Orlando Figes.
So see you in the streets at the barricades or in the Gulags (FEMA camps) hopefully having a slice of bread to share.

I agree with that completely. My point is it has to begin at the local level. If you cannot organize at the local level, you're not going to organize at a national level.


Travis

As the saying goes - "Those that don't learn from History are doomed to repeat it"
____________
That rumbling you feel is Our Founding Fathers turning in their graves.
George Washington gave the better part of his life to rid us of the shackles of tyranny risking everything he cherished. For what? So that some two-bit politicians could tell us to assume the position�
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They know where we live - BUT we know where they live.

That's a start.
What about my Waco and Kent State gambit?
_______________
I guess for the NRA, GOA and Nat'l Gun Rights lawyers to get involved, skmeone needs to get arrested and charged first?

Thanks for the tip. I will certainly look for "A People's Tragedy" - The Russian Revolution 1891 - 1924 written by Orlando Figes.

Yes, if we lose the fight some of us from net forums will first meet in person in the American Gulag Archipelago, likely sooner than most think.

And those who do learn from History are doomed to watch others repeat it.

And sometimes themselves doomed to repeat it anyway due to the actions of others who didn't learn.

Wow you are so stupid that it's painful to watch.

A feminist mindset that is becoming increasingly common all across the West, let alone America, and anti-ethical in most respects to the values that most of us here cherish.

Sort of ironic; as Camille Paglia (herself a lesbian) points out, these women can only exist in a world created for them by the labors of men.

Birdwatcher

Sadly true.

noticed you still didn't say where you live.

....and without looking for John W's post in all of this....

...for the record Sam Houston personally profited greatly from the Mexicans: Nominally in command of a disorganized body of men fleeing before the Mexican army in the spring of 1836, Santa Anna obliged Houston by placing himself within range accompanied by only a minor part of his own army.

Claim Divine Providence if ya want in that a comedy of errors and conflict on the Texian side postponed any attack the next day until afternoon, at a time when the Mexican force, having been awaiting an attack since the night before, had stood down for the day.

It is a measure of the disregard with which most on the field held him that a severely wounded Houston was nearly left on the field in the aftermath, however the same political cunning that had caused many of his peers to despise him did serve us well in that he immediately saw the value in preserving the life of Santa Anna.

Kudos too to Deaf Smith, the middle aged scout, longtime resident of Texas and one of the minority on the field that actually liked Houston for a) capturing the fugitive Santa Anna and b) actually bringing him before Houston.

Not likely otherwise that a man singlehandedly responsible for the execution of 342 unarmed Americans just a month earlier at Goliad would long have survived capture.

But I digress.....

The Mexicans did not succeed in doing anything to Houston despite their best efforts, so long as one discounts the lifelong effects of a shattered ankle. And fortunately for Houston, the original Texians present in Texas were soon outnumbered by the waves of subsequent immigrants rapidly pouring into Texas, most of whom credited Houston with the victory at San Jacinto.

Else Houston woulda had a hard time being elected as dogcatcher, let alone President of the Republic, Senator, and Governor.

The real surprise however is how Houston, an outspoken pro-Union man, escaped persecution upon the secession of Texas.

Santa Anna outlived everyone of course, and in the course of his life would go on to be the one individual most responsible for giving us Texas, California, Arizona, New Mexico and parts of Nevada. Culminating in the Gasden purchase of 1854, most of the 15 million dollars at that time pretty much going directly to Santa Anna.

Fifteen years after that, Santa Anna brung chewing gum with him when he moved to NYC, and his personal secretary then took that Mexican product and teamed up with a guy named Wrigley. Santa Anna reportedly always felt ripped off that he wasn't cut in for a share of those particular profits, dying in poverty back in Mexico a full forty years after the Fall of the Alamo, and leaving not much at all to his estimated forty-two (??) children.

Birdwatcher

well that makes it simple.
How many times have I heard about keeping guns out of the hands of criminals?

Seems like you NRA drumbeaters would be so behind this effort.

Can someone answer me this:

Since the letters seem to be targeted towards specific people, with either restricted rifles or high cap magazines, HOW did the CSP get the list of whom to send letters to?

What list were they already on?

Ditto.. I had read that book about 50 years ago. I need to read it again.

I read One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich about a year ago, written by Solzhenitsyn.

Grim

(serious question) Do you (have the Constitution on your side)? Seems to me there have been tons of laws passed that flatly go against the Constitution, yet are allowed to stand. Court after court decides one way, then other courts reverse those rulings. So just where are we, really? The Constitution now just seems to be a piece of paper that this regime, and a few states such as CT, uses to wipe their azzes with. You really just wanna rely on that at this time?

As I and mucho others have said - ya better get to organizing your local CT citizens and mass up enough to scare the livin' chit outta those idiots, and the Governor, who signed that law..

So...he WAS a liberal.

And I guess I did...

It's been a long time since I was at the Alamo, but didn't we also lose something there?
I always thought San Jacinto was what brought Houston's victory.

It was, but that was after the Alamo. Sam Houston had a habit of showing up after the smoke had cleared.

My understanding is the state already has a separate form for registration and has for years.

So they are going through the archives and finding who purchased one in the past.


Travis

The only thing better than a gun, is a gun without paperwork.

Excuse me for stating the obvious, but is this Conn law not an obvious "infringement" on the 2nd Amendment, which was written to protect us from a tyrannical government and now evidenced by the "massive" non-compliance of this states gun owning citizenry�?
Further... has not this line been crossed again (now at the state level)�?
e.g. Chicago with its UnConstitutional restriction on gun ownership at the municipal level? (and we know how well that worked - if you criminalize gun ownership then only "criminals" will have guns) both those outside the law and above it (politicians & the priviledged)
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Another thought... If you take a "liberal" interpretation of the 2nd Amendment would you as citizen/militiaman be entitled to own every type of weapon that is available to law enforcement? Or the flip side of that coin, why not "restrict" local law
enforcement to weapons EQUAL to what a citizen can own? After all we are not living in Capone's era where bootleggers and bank robbers had Tommy guns and cops had to defend themselves with .32's.
An aside, back in the days of Tammany Hall they passed laws against gun ownership because citizens (law-abiding and not) were getting "shaken" down by cops working for crooked politicians (legal gangsters) and were "using" guns to protect themselves from these "authorities�, so these "autborities" passed laws,
making it illegal for a citizen to protect himself. (I see nothing has changed since then)
So what's the purpose of all these specialized police units, SWAT etc., in a domestic city/town situation if not to intimidate the populace, as they did when they were looking for that Boston Marathon bomber? Hey, they were looking for one wounded guy. Local P.D. Should have handled it with aid from the citizenry instead of having our "rights" infinged - can you say Posse Comitatus?

Phuc them, they crossed the line, they know they crossed the line; we know they crossed the line! First unchallenged move, they passed a dumb law. Second unchallenged move, they are making a meek attempt at enforcing it. Third unchallenged move will be where they make publicized enforcement against one or two individuals , to spur compliance/surrender.

I say one thing we can do to help Conn gun owners is a letter/phone campaign to those sniveling authorities and the lame axxe media in Conn.

Define "they".

And prostitutes. You forgot to mention prostitutes.



Travis

Prostitute with papers is a wife.

That's sexist.



Travis

If it was carbon paper, it would be racist as well.

I would bury the mags and tell the compliance people that I threw them in the river to keep them from crooked cops.

Threads involving real problems, that require real solutions are difficult to become involved in because for every logical response, there are 10 people that want to cry "WOLVERINES!" and do an imaginary charge to the capitol. Even though they don't even know WTF the capitol of CT is.



Travis

That's what the majority of the citizens will likely do. But that doesn't help the problem.



Travis

Laffin.

That letter showed around the web came about because some idiot tried to register their gun after the deadline.

When you buy a firearm in CT you fill out a form DPS-3. That form is collected by the state they get one copy and the town you live in gets one. CT state police run the background checks using the FBI data base. So they know what you own.


So far nobody I know has received a letter yet. According to a few friends that are state troopers, the state is trying to get their ducks in-line before they make any moves. I don't see it coming to anything more then them barking. They know that at least 30% of troopers are pro-gun. They also know that close to 90% of special units troopers are pro-gun. They also know they can't look to town police because their numbers for most towns are much higher being pro-gun. That would leave the National Guard left to try to enforce confiscation. Highly unlikely and would open a can of worms never before seen.

These kind of laws are most easily enforced by foreigners with no loyalty to US citizens. Like Obama. Think UN troops.

In 31 years of cop work, the only "order" I have ever received, other than what time I would be working and my days off days off were was, "Handle it, handle it, handle it.".

Most of us know, he has made no secret of it an posted beautiful pictures.

Serious question here - Are you sure that the morons in CT's gov't know all that? I.e., can they be so clueless and arrogant that they go full speed ahead no matter what?

Sure they are. Politicians come and go. I'm an original Reagan brown shirt.

One thing that people often forget is that you don't have to know anything to be elected.

Come on, anyone with any sense at all knows that nothing at all will come of this.

The state will issue letters with a mandatory response date. Some people will comply and the State will have their arms. Those that do not are going onto a list and whenever they are stopped for any reason (DUI check, speeding, etc.), an outstanding warrant for arrest will show up in the system. They will be arrested and later tried on the outstanding charges. The homes and businesses will then be searched under a warrant pursuant to arrest and anything found then/there will be confiscated, possibly resulting in additional charges.

There will be no stand-off, no door-to-door confiscation, and no grand show down. The subjects of CT will, one-by-one, fall to the State over time and the rest will do nothing about it.

On that note, does the State require that firearms be kept at a certain location?

Like at the "RWE Not in Connecticut firearm safety repository"?

Right...you can't search for anything without probable cause to believe it's there.

Tell them you made the guns into modern art...

And you can take it to the bank if the person bought a needed to be registered gun X amount of time ago, that will be considered enough for "probable cause"

I don't know bud. I used to think the same thing about LEO and our Military members (and I really hope you're right) but my mind keeps going back to this.
With the changes I've seen in this country (especially the north east) the last ten or so years nothing would surprise me.

About how I figure it too.

Than there's THIS,......Oh, I'd ABSOLUTELY trust this bunch to the right thing

Isn't that exactly what happened in New Orleans?

Confiscation of civilian firearms

Controversy arose over a September 8 city-wide order by New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass to local police, U.S. Army National Guard soldiers, and Deputy U.S. Marshals to confiscate all civilian-held firearms. "No one will be able to be armed," Compass said. "Guns will be taken. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns." Seizures were carried out without warrant, and in some cases with excessive force; one instance captured on film involved 58 year old New Orleans resident Patricia Konie. Konie stayed behind, in her well provisioned home, and had an old revolver for protection. A group of police entered the house, and when she refused to surrender her revolver, she was tackled and it was removed by force. Konie's shoulder was fractured, and she was taken into police custody for failing to surrender her firearm

So the guns are ALREADY in effect registered and the state of Connecticut just wants to make felons of people on a technicality.

I'm not a lawyer but that sounds like something the pro-gun lawyers could run with.

Mike

I agree - that's what will happen.....UNLESS the good citizens of CT organize FIRST. Mass up NEXT. Then, as a moving, throbbing crowd of angry citizens, converge on the state's gov't and DEMAND they change -------- or else..... and stay there until and unless they do..

Since they already know exactly what weapons CT citizens own, it isn't hard to imagine that at some point they can issue a warrant for arrest and confiscation of some poor CT citizens weapons. SWAT-style raid with 30 cops turn up and swarm the house.

All "legal"

Game over if this "law" is left to stand.

People may need to take a page from the playbook of the Ukrainians, except with guns in hand not rocks. A few hundred or a thousand armed citizens storming the capital building and arresting the politicians inside while refusing to leave. It, like in the Ukraine, would make news worldwide and send a clear signal to all politicians that we're done being pushed around. while that is happening in the capital, others need to take a page from Lexington and wait for the responce from the government and line the streets and allys to seal off the capital city streets.

I hope it never comes to that, but something dreadful could be ignited with a heavy handed illegal activity from the politicos. If the cops try to do it piecemeal, they may walk up to a car window and say hello to S&W or Mr. Ruger. If people get pushed far enough, they can be capable of anything, no matter how insane it sounds.

You live in New York and you're giving advice on how to gain back freedom in ones state?


Travis

That's like someone in Montana giving advice on how to molest sheep. Oh, wait... That would be actual subject matter expertise.

Or someone in San Antonio explaining how to get rid of Mexicans.



Travis

Ha! I lied. I'm not in San Antonio. I'm in New Braunfels... which seems to consist mainly of older, heavily harmed Germans who are into things like schutzenfest, wurstfest and beer, mixed with river rafting, BBQ, country music and more beer. Not so bad...

"I agree - that's what will happen.....UNLESS the good citizens of CT organize FIRST. Mass up NEXT. Then, as a moving, throbbing crowd of angry citizens, converge on the state's gov't and DEMAND they change -------- or else..... and stay there until and unless they do.."

And this HAS to be ALL gun owners. Not the right time or place to divide libs from conservatives as the conservatives are not the ones that voted the lib polos in so they have no power alone. Time to unite! Maybe the libs will learn something this time around. maybe...

Not everyone is sitting on their azzes like some of you soapboxers would like to preach, there are people and organizations that are, and have been, working on change since the assinine (UN)S.A.F.E act was shoved through in NY a year ago. Grassroot, donated time and money. http://www.scopeny.org/
Conn. sportsmen and shooters need everyones support, along with trying to work this out in their own state. I sure don't see where self righteous keyboad critisism benifits anyone, and there's been plenty of it on this thread.

I'm up here - and you're down here_

"I sure don't see where self righteous keyboad critisism benifits anyone, and there's been plenty of it on this thread."

That sure is a great way to enlist help.

Yep, but I agree with him. This is a time for all gun owners and everyone who believes in the Constitution to stand together. If this is aloud to stand in CT then it will be OK for NY and NJ until it is the norm in fifty states.

Heck. I'd drive to Connecticut and protest at the Capitol.
But I'd look kinda silly by myself carrying a sign.
If 1 or 2 hundred thousand from across the country and the gun owners in Connecticut were to protest at the state Capitol, then we could make a difference.

THAT would make everyone, including those in DC stand up and take notice.

But I bet you couldn't get three from this forum to even make the effort.

I'll load up and leave tomorrow.

Gunner

Much too late for any of that nonsense. 5 million NRA members, out of 100 million gun owners, says it all.

Here is your chance to support all of us patriots in Connecticut: http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/monthly-...MDBhZWY4MGQ1NzU5MGNkOWIzYzQyNTkzZTYyMzA=

See you all at the capitol on April 5th

Just put a call in to the NRA/ILA chewing their ass' as to WHY!!!!! they're not organizing nationwide gun owners to march on the CT capitol, their gonna get back with me tomorrow.

Gunner

I don't think protests are the ILA's function. Lawyers and court is who they are

http://www.nraila.org/legal/article...e-commonly-used-for-lawful-purposes.aspx

probably so w4bear


but I'm thinkin if the NRA is serious about increasing their membership they should do some more visible things that would attract gun owners to their ranks


I don't know what they do with their money, but it certainly doesn't seem to include bussing folks in to protest like the SEIU did in Wisconsin.

Or running primetime commercials making the arguments that we all sit here and make with each other.

I'm thankful for the NRA and their efforts, but I think they could be more visible in a better light.

All you ever see of them is derogatory from the antigunners, I don't know why they don't fight back with public service announcements about who they are, what they do and whom they represent.

NRA/ILA legislative line is all in one, the sonofabitches need to get busy.

Gunner

You must have missed the link I posted. The NRA is being overwhelmed on all fronts. They crash, we can kiss it goodbye.

You [bleep] ay. All it takes is cash. The democrats have all they can spend; in case you haven't noticed. BTW; I'm the NRA, and I spend all I can afford, and volunteer as well. What do you do?

hp4570: This is what's needed, not armchair keyboard quarterbacking. If at all possible, I'll make the drive and join you. Thanks for the link.

I did in fact miss it w4bear, I'll look for it.

NRA lifer, NRA/ILA contributor for over 20 years, I fookin sure dont have the ability to organize a march........BUT THEY SURE IN FUUCK CAN, sound the bell, lets go, I'll drive to CT in a heartbeat, have gone a [bleep] lot further for less.

Gunner

Is this protest available for non-residences as well?

If so, I'm there.

Gunner

Go march round Connecticut; but their judge has already ruled. They lost because of too many democrats, and a democrat judge. Doesn't make it right; it's just the way the cards fell. Read all about it


http://www.nraila.org/legal/article...e-commonly-used-for-lawful-purposes.aspx


But hey, lets blame the NRA

what makes you think I'm not working here in New Yorkistan for the coming storm?

Imperial Andy also has not come out and said he was sending COPS door to door to get our guns.

All but 3 or 4 of our Sheriffs have told Andy to go F ck himself.

52 county legislatures have said go Fu k yourself to Andy.

local police unions have said they don't and won't support the SAFE ACT

and we have a Federal Lawsuit making it's way thru the court system

we have doubled our statewide NRA memberships to the largest in the country

The power of the people can't be denied and rulings can be overturned.

Gunner

I support the NRA of course and am a member.

But, I doubt they will organize a picket demonstration...

I have not seen them move fast on things either. Usually they move as a preventive to legislation passing, or support the lawsuits that strike down the offending law. But, they don't offer much in the way of knee-jerk reactions. More successes are had and more battles are won when calmer heads prevail.

I do know that without the NRA the liberals would have had ALL our guns long ago.

They are our voice.....................they need to organize.

Gunner

I agree. This is a battle front they cannot be absent from.

Any idea how many court cases nation wide the NRA is looking at? Every state that has a democrat in it, has pissed right down the NRA's back. It's a concerted effort to overwhelm and eliminate.

Rulings can be overturned, unless the supremes get 1 more liberal dik face; or the senate picks up a half dozen more liberal dik faces to ratify the un small arms agreement.

We've never been closer to loser our guns than at this point in history.

Agreed, but any warrior knows you go to where the immediate heat is, and right now that's CT.

Gunner

I and anybody I can drag with me will be at that rally!

I see them as akin to our Federal gov't, give me some bang for my buck and I'll gladly send you the bucks.


I'm grateful for their working with legislators, courts etc.


but as gunner says, they are our voice.


if they sent out contribution forms stating "send us $100 and $90 will be used to organize a peaceful demonstration in CT"

I believe they'd get a lot more donations than the way they currently do things.

Bettin I can stop in Tennessee, Kentucky and New York on my way and have my dually loaded.

Wouldn't take much NRA$$$$$ 2L2Q, I'd gladly spend my own money to holler at demotards.

They need to date it and send out e-mails/flyers and it's on.

Gunner

"An appeal in this case is already underway, and NRA will be sure to inform its members of any new developments. As NRA continues to take up similar battles in courtrooms across the nation, it is more important than ever to focus on making pro-gun gains in state legislatures and Congress this election season. The only way to prevent ill-informed court rulings that affect our fundamental, constitutional rights is to stop giving opportunities to anti-gun lawmakers both to pass unconstitutional legislation and to appoint judges who have no familiarity, understanding, or appreciation of firearms and their role in the fundamental right of self-defense."






http://www.nraila.org/legal/article...e-commonly-used-for-lawful-purposes.aspx

We gotta have a demslaughter at the polls this Nov.

Gunner

gunner500 you show up at the April 5th rally and I will buy you dinner.

Anybody headed that way able to give me a ride?

Agree 100%.

Nationwide.

Things have gotten so out of control since Obama took office that it sickens me daily to see how the damn liberal machine is in overdrive to get their agendas passed and do as much damage as they can while they still have the reins.

If we can't beat them at the upcoming polls we are totally screwed with a capitol "F".

Much obliged MCH, if I find it's open for nonresidents I'm gonna mark my calender tonight.

Gunner

You got damn right RIBB, ENOUGH!!!!!

Gunner

Lesbian Cop?

Donation sent

gunner500 it is open to anyone that shows up.

Ink still wet, calender marked.

Gunner

Everyone is welcome in CT, the more the better. Come for the weekend, spend a night at one of our casinos and then head to Hartford on Saturday.

Are your casinos owned by Indians? If so, a tent is in order.

Dinner and drinks the night before would be great.

Im to stupid to gamble, but will look forward to a frosty Saturday in the great white North.

Gunner

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-toys-for-totalitarians-program.html


check it out?

Yes, both casinos are native American owned, maybe dinner and drinks are a good idea for all that travel here.

Looks like myself and jmillo probably live less than 10 minutes from each other.

I've lost a few dollars at the Mohegan Sun

I aint just gum flappin on a keyboard here either, I'll have a number 12 redwing planted on the gasser of a 1 ton headed E/NE.

Bettin I'll have about three more fire members loaded up with me too.

Gunner

Maybe Rick can make this a sticky.

Thats a damn good idea.

Gunner

This is sounding like the trucker strike that was going to surround Washington DC a few months ago. How many showed up? What 12?

The media is effective isn't it. It keeps Americans ignorant of the truth, and they parrot what they hear.

Different Day, same "they"

They are owned by Indians. However you will find them to be much different casino's then those out west. No tent required at the casino's here.

It isn't just gun owners that are being labeled; it's also Christians in this country. Now before some of you who aren't, in any serious way, belittle that, stop and think of the origin of most conservative values. Most here would subscribe to a similar way of life, of living with similar priorities.. But, what the left has no cogent argument against, it labels and libels and marginalizes. This has happened frequently in history, Nazi Germany being the iconic example of the twentieth century and it can and will happen again.

I fear for our country, not for myself anymore as I'm 64, but for those behind us and, and really for the stupidity and arrogant foolishness of it all--jettisoning the values that made this arguably at one time the greatest and most unique nation in the history of the world. I cannot believe what I near coming out of the mouths of our leaders these last years; I can only imagine what doesn't see the light of day.

We are in for trying times. I'm not an angry man (though I am white) nor a naturally pessimistic one but I do not see the trajectory of this country as a rosy or good one. This gun registration/confiscation issue in Ct. and elsewhere is just one thing, a symptom, of a what has become a Godless culture; and a Godless culture naturally devolves to a totalitarian state. And while we here are not all Christians, we value "reasonable" independence and the freedom to live our lives the way we choose along with its commensurate responsibility. The secular information elites not having the paradigm for life a God gave us have to construct one--the same one they gave constructed throughout history over and over again: we will tell you what's best for you.

Sorry, a little long winded, but this is not a one-issue juggernaut. And I don't mean to belittle the subject of the thread at all.

Two things that Christians and gun advocates have in common:

1.) Their loudest proponents are the dumbest of the lot.

2.) They're horrible at marketing.


Travis

Don't know if this guy lives in Conn., but he makes some really good points. Anyone in a state like Conn., New Yorkistan, Maryland, California may want to pay attention and listen to what is coming.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZXEEdD8VNg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Travis you nailed that.

But you missed the third!

3.) never been unified. Always in fighting.

I'd file that under poor marketing, but yeah.




Travis

The left has the history of lenin, stalin. hitler, mao, pol pot, castro, chavez, kin jong. This is their incarnation on US soil. People should know by the 0bama stickers who their local threats are. The politicians are clear on their left/ right orientation which looks clearly to be evil vs good. There will be a fight and one side will win. Giving in to gun grabs favors the left/evil.

Democrats have to be the most gullible sub human species ever.

So the bottom line is, it's REALLY difficult to drive from (in my case) Oregon to Conn. and protest. Not to mention 13 mpg in my truck for 5-6K miles, places to stay, etc.

Not excuses, just reality, for ALOT of guys. So where should we help? Could we sponsor a closer member to go? How can we know the $ we send will be used and not scammed? If we want to get boots on the ground and they can't be our own, how can we effectively help?

they put up a link to donate, the protest I hope is vocal but peaceful.


we're gonna have to be tough enough to let the other side strike the first blow in this whole shebang

in fact if we're truly to be successful we may indeed have practice more cheek turning than many of us have ever done in our natural born lives.

they need to see anger, but if it's accompanied by violence that can be said to have started from our side, we'll lose the battle of public opinion.

hoping many LEO show up for it as well, would be hella cool if they could be in uniform

Campfire Brigade, Caravan, whatever you want to call it. Ride sharing,cost sharing will get it done. I dont think any state boys are going to stop several vehicles driving together and loaded with X number of guys fully locked and loaded???

Dude...I don't think this is what is being discussed. I think this is supposed to be a peaceful protest not the violent overthrow of a duly elected state government. It's a show of numbers not weapons or force. A peaceable demonstration to show that there are a lot of people across the country that do not want the rights of their compatriots in Connecticut violated. Y'all show up with a bunch of guns and you are asking to get taken down hard and fast. There are other options than threats of violence at this point. I believe there is an option that is a legal one, for these guys to move their guns and magazines out of state. They can do this and fight this through legal channels for the time being. A show of numbers will help. Taking on the Connecticut National Guard with Homeland Security calling the shots will not.

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This^^ I believe they are pushing, pushing, testing the waters to see how far they can go until something snaps. And if say, something does snap and some type of violence erupts, that gives "them" the opportunity to win the public opinion war, and gives Zero the chance to declare martial law and then everything heads down the toilet.

To eventually get to the point of outright confiscation, they've got to incrementally turn up the heat. At the point where vast numbers say "no more", they're going to have to pause and contemplate the cost of continuing forward. It's not time for armed confrontation. It's time to make THEM back down. This will be done with vast numbers protesting, winning public opinion, costly litigation, and making THEM look bad.

Vast numbers of people showing up to peacefully protest, albeit angry people, will make an impression on the population at large, on the LEO's, and on the politicos.

Leave the guns at home.

That sir, is good news to read...

I second that. If you could put 100,000 or more unarmed, peaceful, but obviously pissed off citizens on the capitol doorstep, I think it would help too. Just beware the Agents Provocateur looking for the opportunity to run a false flag operation or the for real lone nut in your midst that kills the buzz.

I look at it this way.
The Majority of citizens in CT have voted for this legislation. As SteelHead has pointed out almost 70% of CT voted for Obama. That 70% certainly includes a huge number of Firearms owners. The Majority (70%) of CT knew this was coming and they were OK with it, so what's the problem?

The rest of the Country is outraged at what has happened to the fine citizens of CT. Why? They voted for this. Let them have what the want. That is what the election process is for. Who are we to Protest the Laws and wishes of another State?

According to the Media, many/most of those that did not register are simply unaware. Either that, or they are like Dwayne Ferguson who believes these Laws do not pertain to them. After all, they voted for Obama, he wouldn't do any thing so evil as to arrest a loyal subject. The law was meant for the Right wing wackos not we Liberals.

there were over 14,000 people at this rally. largest rally in Albany's history

Posers!

That's the way you do it. Unfortunately, liberalism is like drug addiction...only those effected can do anything about it.

With all due respect, you are wrong. The majority rules on things like elections and the elections impact many things, but the elections are not, by rule of law, supposed to affect what you are speaking of regardless of the wishes of the majority. The rule of law is the Constitution which is the supreme law of the land. The Representative Republic which we have is under the Constitution. The Constitution did not bestow or grant anything. It was written to protect rights already existent in nature. It recognizes natural rights and does not give anything. These rights, according to the founders, can never be taken away, they can just be trampled as King George was doing. Hence the whole reason for our country in the first place.

The people here and the people overall who are outraged are not sympathetic to simpletons who voted for Obama nor the similar fops in charge in Connecticut right now. They are enraged at the trampling of the natural right to self defense and the right to keep and bear the most efficient individual tools to accomplish that...guns. They are enraged that a portion of us are being affected by the very tyranny of the majority that the authors of our law sought to protect against. This is the "tyranny of Democracy". This is exactly why the Constitution was authored in the first place, to set in place protections so this would never happen.

OK, but if 70% of the State of CT wishes to live in an "Unconstitutional Socialist" environment, who are we to tell them they are can't? Let the Citizens of CT decide and if they wish to denounce the Constitution and keep voting Democrat, let em and stop wasting NRA Monies and Resources on a State that doesn't want that kind of helpful interference.

Would a state be free to override the Constitition by popular vote?

Problem is, they don't WANT to do anything about it. They are perfectly happy living in their own shallow, euphoric, non-realities.

And, much like a drug addict, they don't even recognize that they have brain damage.

Apparently.
NY and CT seem to have done just that, as has CA.

I just told you who we are...the citizens of the United States with a subset of citizens of Connecticut. I'm not a lawyer and can't give you all the ins and outs of the Supremacy Clause, etc. I do know though that these laws are clearly unconstitutional and that document itself encourages us to disobey that which goes against nature. Thus far Connecticut has not attempted to pull out of the Union. The de-facto settlement of whether that could be done or not ended in 1865 but the legal issue is still in the air. If they did remove themselves, it would be my argument that we should let them go since IMO you can't have a free country with coercion to stay in it. If that was done IMO it is not so much that they are no longer obligated to follow "nature's law" so much as that we are no longer obligated to make sure they do in order that the individual is protected from the group-which is the whole basis for our government. This is what is at stake here. Will we protect the individual and his rights or will we let a group of whatever size, tyrranize that or those individuals.

No, they would not be. See my explanation.

No, of course CT has not "attempted" to remove themselves from the Union, why would they. On the contrary, they have joined forces with NY, CA and Obama to destroy the Union and mold it into a Socialist Regime. CT isn't going anywhere, neither is CA or NY, they are just going to spred their anti-Constitution agenda like Cancer until the rest of the country falls in line with them.

Actually, that's a great point.. 140K citizens there - and the bastids STILL passed it... And WHY, you may ask?

Maybe it's exactly because they were unarmed and peaceful.. Maybe (the operative word there) the next one should be just the opposite.. Peaceful resistance seems to be taken by the gov't a-holes as weakness, pacifism and "well, darn it - I'm unhappy.." kind of response..

Like the radical muslims - seems they only respect force, and a dang good SHOW of force at that..

Jest tossin' that out there for the hyenas to chew on..

Because legally that is the way to do it if they no longer wish to live under the laws of our country. Right now the people you mention are subversives and outlaws. They are trying to make us into the outlaws. The last time a goodly number of states attempted to leave the union because they wanted to continue to live under the laws of the land as laid out by their forefathers, they were forced back into it. Let's learn from their mistakes rather than repeat them.

Steve4102. I live in NY and I didn't vote for any of these liberals that are creating the new firearms laws. I'm very tired of hearing the scenario of "you voted them in, you are an ass, now live with it".

I have read all 38 pages of posts on this thread and that philosophy has been mentioned a few times.

My question to you is, did you vote for Obama? I doubt it. Are you finding that you are upset with all his socialist laws and are you happy with his deceptiveness? If not, is it your fault that he got elected and we are forced to live with the liberal philosophies? Of course not, just like it's not my fault that I am living with the NYS Safe Act.

I have participated in demonstrations, and written to my representatives, donated money, joined organizations, but nothing will change until the courts can determine that the laws are unconstitutional which will take time and possibly be too late, or we can all work together and elect the right people to overturn some of these laws.

It would be great to go back to a capitalistic and democratic country where handouts go only to the people who truly need them and work ethics will benefit those who have them.

I could rant on and on, but my point has been made.

I'm not trying to offend anybody here, but if the suggestions Steve is making are the way to go, then they could apply to his own listed state very soon also. Unless I'm mistaken, Minnesota has voted for Obama in the last two elections.

I've said before, if the country really wanted to go the separation route, and I don't think that is what the big boys who are pushing this want in any way, shape or form, then there is a whole cluster of states that not only voted against Obama in the last election but did so with significant majorities. To wit: States that voted against Obama to the tune of 60% or more. They would make a fine country. Personally though, I am for protecting all gun owner's rights rather than throwing them under the bus, as much as I dislike what their states have done collectively to us as a whole. I don't want to see guys like ET or Barkoff hung out to dry because there are a higher percentage of dickweasels in their state than there are in mine.

So far, so good..

as have most of those here.. Right now, that's a roll of the dice - and it appears they're a wee bit loaded on the casino's side.. Change that to 'probably'... And can any of us name the "RIGHT" people?? From the last few elections, it seems like the "right" people have chosen other paths..

Wouldn't it though (wistful dream)?

More and more evidence seems to point to the fact that we're outnumbered, old and don't count for much any more...

There it is, Nailed it. Not only Obama but every Democrat POS that is on the MN ballots.

My voice here is a voice of experience.

You guys are wasting your valuable $$ and resources trying to change CT Law. They do not care, they want it and they voted for it, they are Socialists and as Socialists they will continue to vote Politicians that support this type of legislation.

The NRA, many of you and several other 2nd Amendment organizations will try and rescue CT from themselves, but it will all be for not. Come the next general election they will continue to vote Socialist and support any and all new "Unconstitutional" gun legislation.

Fighting for the Constitutional rights for the State of CT is a kin to spending time and money sending an Alcoholic to treatment who does not want to go.
This will make one feel good, as they are making an effort to save a soul, but in the end the alcoholic could give two sheets and when he is released (2014 election)he will do as he has always done.

Redneck, that is a scary statement and hopefully will prove to be false.

Times are changing. I hope my grandkids will have the freedoms and opportunities that I have had. One thing is for sure. They will have a big debt dropped in their laps

Yep, people are getting exactly what they want. If the so called conservatives there couldn't see this coming 30 years out then shame on them.

Steve, in all honesty your comments are sounding like you include CT gun owners in the mix here. I certainly hope that is not what you mean. You know there are thousands of gun owners here (all good guys) who did not vote for any of this sheit nor a dem. however, there are some gun owners here who have voted dem in the past and are coming around to see the bigger picture. A little too late? I don't know...we'll see. There are many reasons to vote out dems here in CT in the next election, not just gun laws.

Now, if you or anyone else will not help the gun loving people of CT, would you mind shutting the [bleep] up already. I'm 48 years a Republican, I didn't the cause the CT sheitstorm (democratic parade of Newtown victims did that), insure as [bleep] didnt vote for anyone in the majority whompassed that law.

I guess I come from a pre-1861 view of the Constitution. IMO if the group (voters in that state) vote to leave the union then their wishes should be respected and they should be released on the friendliest of terms. The individuals who don't like that should be welcomed into the bulk of our country with open arms. What should NOT be allowed is the flaunting of our laws of which the Constitution is the capstone, before they bow out. The South should have stayed and forced the North to be the ones to leave since they didn't like how things were set up to begin with. Instead, radical new interpretations of the law were embraced and the South got mad and left instead of staying the course. This set them up for military defeat and the new radicalized interpretations of the Constitution's meaning.

...and what would you like for help?
Would you like the NRA to spend more time and money rescuing you. BTW, how many Gun owners in the State of CT and how many are members of the NRA?

Would you like fellow gun owners from across the country to drop what they are doing, at a great personal expense, to drive to CT and help you protest? Why? The next election will just bring more of the same.

You want help, start in your own back yard with your fellow gun owners. If you cannot get them on-board to help, why should you expect help from afar.

As Steelhead put it.

What comes around goes around. S Head lives in a comfortable 60% against Obama state, IIRC. So do I. You live in a pro-Obama state so your turn in the barrel may be next. I hear what y'all are saying, but there it is. No offense intended.

Ah, the liberal state of Minnesota lecturing the liberal state of Connecticut on the dangers of liberalism.

I was listening to Rush today and he ask his Homo Guest, just how Homo's keep getting what they want and he said if they are refused any request due to their sexual preference , they will sue the company or church and get a judge to order whoever refused what they wanted to comply with their request. That simple , Voters don't matter , the court and the judge will override the vote if they lose.

Ah, the liberal state of Minnesota lecturing the liberal state of Connecticut on the dangers of liberalism. [/quote]

Like I said, I live in a liberal hell hole and I know what I am talking about.
Begging for help from afar is going to do nothing to change the political climate of CT or MN.
I know what is coming down the pike here in MN.
The 2nd Amendment organizations I donate $$ to are very concerned. My last news letter indicated that $millions$ from Bloomberg and the like are pouring in and we are pretty much screwed. ..and yes when it all collapses and MN is another CT, I will have nobody to blame but myself and my fellow gun owners for not doing enough, mostly my fellow gun owners that continue to follow Union orders and vote DFL.

The NRA/ILA office punk did not return my call today, guess shes stuck to the comode lid.

I'm still planning to go to CT.

Gunner

America's worst nightmare... a bull dyke lesbian with PMS and a loaded automatic weapon, and a government job...she can do anything she wants with impunity...

Unlike many 2nd amendment issues we can all address, this one belongs to the STATE OF CONNECTICUT. When it gets to the Federal level, we all have a dog in the hunt.

Connecticut will win this battle if they want too.

How so? At the voting booth? That's a laugh and you know it.

Well I'm glad to see that this thread is still going. Just to clarify what we are dealing with here in CT. The republican minority house leader, who is republican voted for this mess and basically bullied the other republicans to do the same. A good many of the republican candidates for governor either voted for the bill or endorsed it. None of them are willing to say they would try to repeal it if elected this fall.

So basically we are screwed no matter how WE vote.

That means democrats are the majority. Do you have the actual vote tally?

I feel like i should at least do something, feel like someones fookin with one of my little brothers, 100K gun owners on the capitol wouldn't make a statement?

Gunner

Also, consider this. Looking at it as a state matter, you have one of our states basically flaunting Constitutional law and being guilty of sedition. If one does it, more could follow. Sure seems like we've been being bullied where states rights are concerned, for years. Now it's turned around and the Feds are all for states rights.

A statement to "who". 70% of the State voted for Obama, there is your Statement!

The NRA you keep dissing, is going to take another poke at it in appeals court. Until then, marching around won't hurt anything. It'll keep Connecticut gun owners interested, pissed off, and maybe even involved. Getting them to part with lawyer money is the key. It will be decided in the courts, eventually.

I know that things take time to move through the legal process, however if you wait until all the stuff is turned in and destroyed, how hollow is the victory when the Supremes or some Federal Judge says they shouldn't do such things?

Connecticut gun owners should be moving their stuff to high ground immediately and prepare for a lengthy court battle. The enemy seems to have unlimited resources and collect more, from us, in order to fight us more and more, over and over. It never ends.

I hear ya EE, and agree.

Steve, 100K gun owners from across the U.S. descending on CT no way in phuuck is a 70 percentile voter for obunghole.

Gunner

Dems have the majority easily, not all of them voted for the bill however.

Here is a link to the list: http://www.naturalnews.com/039845_Connecticut_gun_control_laws_voting_record.html

I'll have to call bs. If there were 20 million NRA members; we wouldn't even be having this conversation. But since there isn't...

Although I am a firm believer that the media is full of [bleep], they have indicated over and over that many/most of the CT gun owners that did not comply are just unaware of the new laws they helped pass. If this is even partially true then once these sleepers wake up, there will be a flood of CT citizens rushing to register.