A friend of mine just informed me that he was asked by his doctor's office if he had any guns in his home.
Not to cut short anybody's chance to rant, but I think the vast majority of us already agree that a doctor has NO business asking us if we have guns in our homes. Let's not make that the issue.
What I want to know is what do they do with the information they collect? Does anybody here know? What if some guy admits that he has 4 guns in his house, what does the doctor do with that information? Counsel the guy out of owning guns? Send a report to the government? Suggest a gun safety course? What?
Thanks!
Your friend should ask the doctor.
A friend of mine just informed me that he was asked by his doctor's office if he had any guns in his home.
Not to cut short anybody's chance to rant, but I think the vast majority of us already agree that a doctor has NO business asking us if we have guns in our homes. Let's not make that the issue.
What I want to know is what do they do with the information they collect? Does anybody here know? What if some guy admits that he has 4 guns in his house, what does the doctor do with that information? Counsel the guy out of owning guns? Send a report to the government? Suggest a gun safety course? What?
Thanks!
Perhaps your friend alluded to someone in the home having thoughts of violence or self hatred with potential for suicide?
I am asked by the nurse prior to seeing the doc if I am safe in my home.
Part of the "lifestyle risks" reports sent to insurance companies, according to a nurse I asked about it.
I've heard this a few times. But have never experienced it.
Yesterday I started with a new doc and new office. Filled out 4 or 5 forms and answrred a bunch of questions from the nurse and doc since they didn't know me. Not one mention of firearms.
As I understand it, and I'm no expert, is that it's a reporting feature. A defacto gun registration process jammed into Obamacare.
Part of the obamacare issue. Had a nurse ask me that when we got a new doctor after the old one left. She started in with the questions, I cut it short by asking her what her favorite sexual position was...she looked shocked and I just replied turnabout is fair play. You get to ask a question then I do
Some things are just none of others people's business.
I've heard this a few times. But have never experienced it.
Yesterday I started with a new doc and new office. Filled out 4 or 5 forms and answrred a bunch of questions from the nurse and doc since they didn't know me. Not one mention of firearms.
This has been my experience as well.
In FLorida, it is against State Law, for a doctor to even ask.
That law was passed, because Pediatricians were asking the question of children, without the parents being in the room. The American Academy of Pediatrics is VERY anti gun, and they are now suing the State to have the law overturned on..........First Amendment grounds. No chit.
As I understand it, and I'm no expert, is that it's a reporting feature. A defacto gun registration process jammed into Obamacare.
Yes. Your reply becomes part of your medical history record.
Guess who has access to that??
Just think what Hitler/Stalin, et. al. could have done given our present state of recording data so efficiently.
You can probably look forward to a higher health insurance premium as well.
My Doctor always brings the Newest Pistol he has purchased to his office with him when i have an appointment, so he can show it to me, he then ask me what I'm carrying today and for me to let him look at it .
Possible answers to the doctor's question could be,
"If I own guns, the DOJ knows per form 4473."
"I have no guns in my home." (The gun safe is in the garage.)
"Do you?"
"GFY"
"Do you have porn on your computer?"
"I do not answer questions that do not pertain to my medical condition."
If you are going to answer it, I would just say something like: they're not at HOME, I have them all on me now.
As I understand it, and I'm no expert, is that it's a reporting feature. A defacto gun registration process jammed into Obamacare.
Yes. Your reply becomes part of your medical history record.
Guess who has access to that?? Just think what Hitler/Stalin, et. al. could have done given our present state of recording data so efficiently.
You can probably look forward to a higher health insurance premium as well.
The IRS.
I guess Franklin was right...
"In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes."
He just didn't expect both to be the responsibility of Government...
My Doctor always brings the Newest Pistol he has purchased to his office with him when i have an appointment, so he can show it to me, he then ask me what I'm carrying today and for me to let him look at it .
My doctor and my chiropractor actually thank me when I show up with mine. They actually feel that it makes their office safer...
In FLorida, it is against State Law, for a doctor to even ask.
That law was passed, because Pediatricians were asking the question of children, without the parents being in the room. The American Academy of Pediatrics is VERY anti gun, and they are now suing the State to have the law overturned on..........First Amendment grounds. No chit.
At the pediatrician last month with my new boy, they asked. I grinned and said of course not. It was funny because she was staring at my NAVHDA hat that clearly depicts a gun. She kinda looked at me funny and I just laughed.
I'm sure it's to gather statistics of dangerous homes or some such chit.
In FLorida, it is against State Law, for a doctor to even ask.
That law was passed, because Pediatricians were asking the question of children, without the parents being in the room. The American Academy of Pediatrics is VERY anti gun, and they are now suing the State to have the law overturned on..........First Amendment grounds. No chit.
Interesting. Personally, I've never left my kids alone with a doctor for any reason
If you get asked, state that it isn't any of their business.
Then ask to see someone from the administration of the hospital or clinic and file a "patient complaint" against the doctor.
These become part of their record and thefacility must address your concerns.
Don't ask me how I know..............
I had a number of dr visits last spring from a knee injury and my wife is in and out with her diabetes. Neither of us has ever been asked about anything at home. They've kept all questions related to the health problems.
It is pretty common in NY with Docs and hospitals.
P's me off to no end and I've instructed my kids to answer non of your business.
this is done by liberal doctors. They give the info, not to the government, but to their liberal doctor associations, who use the data to push for gun control.
That is why not all doctors ask. Only the anti gun, agenda driven ones are doing this.
IMO it is a way for the government to collect information on people. They may not do anything with the info right now, it will likely sit and collect cyber dust, but if .gov ever has the need for said information it is there for them to take.
It's been a few years ago now since I got involved in this. I had gone to my Doctor for my annual check up. He asked if I had guns. I ignored the question. He repeated the question and I repeated the ignore. He insisted and once again asked the question which I responded to "Bill I have a question for you first" He said what is it? I said if you continue on this line of questioning my question is do have a referral for a Doctor that isn't as nosey about my personal legal life? Things got quiet for a moment and then we continued with the exam. Bill never brought the issue up again.
when i was having a cyst removed the Doc asked me about something gun related, but it was small talk while he cut on me, he is a cool guy, he's office is closed first week of elk season each year.
In doing some reading on this the last time it came up, I'm pretty sure it came from some "continued training" the docs receive at seminars and such.
In other words, no law or gov agency requested it, but rather some medical research group thought it would be a good idea to ask. Then included it in their training and lectures, and some docs bought it and the smart ones didn't.
It's part of a new federal requirement. It will become part of your electronic medical record which the Feds will have access too. Lot's of new charting requirements. My wife's a PA and is having to do all sorts of things to keep of with the new federal requirements. She hardly works anymore but is always getting calls from the urgent care she fills in at on occasion to come in and fill out some new paperwork.
She has also been required to move to electronic charting and had to electronically order so many scripts within a time frame. If information is power then this government is grabbing lots of it.
Bb
I've heard this a few times. But have never experienced it.
Yesterday I started with a new doc and new office. Filled out 4 or 5 forms and answrred a bunch of questions from the nurse and doc since they didn't know me. Not one mention of firearms.
Same experience last week for both my wife and I. Lots of paperwork, but no gun questions.
this is done by liberal doctors. They give the info, not to the government, but to their liberal doctor associations, who use the data to push for gun control.
That is why not all doctors ask. Only the anti gun, agenda driven ones are doing this.
Close. Medical files are being stored electronically and legislation is pending (or has passed) to make them accessible to anybody with the "appropriate" credentials. Liberals genuinely believe that firearms are a health hazard.
A friend of mine just informed me that he was asked by his doctor's office if he had any guns in his home.
Not to cut short anybody's chance to rant, but I think the vast majority of us already agree that a doctor has NO business asking us if we have guns in our homes. Let's not make that the issue.
What I want to know is what do they do with the information they collect?
I have never, nor will I ever, give them that info..
Does anybody here know? What if some guy admits that he has 4 guns in his house, what does the doctor do with that information?
I told one doc what the possible outcome re: his liability would be if anyone who gave him that info had a subsequent break-in and theft of his firearms and the clues left behind indicated the source was someone in that clinic or hospital.. He'd never thought of that..
Counsel the guy out of owning guns? Send a report to the government? Suggest a gun safety course? What?
Thanks!
Could be any of the above.. The best response to that question is: GFY..
IIRC, part of the (un)Affordable Health Care act had something in there re: the requirement of physicians to obtain that very data or they could refuse treatment.. No doc better try to give me that excuse...
This has been pushed by the Anti gun AMA since the 90's. They aren't having much luck with it.
Part of the obamacare issue. Had a nurse ask me that when we got a new doctor after the old one left. She started in with the questions, I cut it short by asking her what her favorite sexual position was...she looked shocked and I just replied turnabout is fair play. You get to ask a question then I do
Excellent retort, sir..
Some things are just none of others people's business.
Damn straight..
I've been hoping this same doc (who is a hunter) just might call me some day to repair one of his own firearms.. When he comes in I'll tell him, before I accept the firearm, that I need to know what meds he's on, whether or not he's ever seen a psychiatrist, how many times he's cheated on his wife and whether or not he's got porno on his cell phone.. When he yells "none of that is any of your business!" I'll just reply "now you know how
I feel when
you ask me dumb-azzed questions that are none of
your business..
Actually I think ObamaCare actually specified that doctors are not allowed to pass that information up the chain, and they can't demand that it be provided. They can still ask though.
Article from Forbes on a doctor agonizing over how he can't save patients:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolyn...ghts-and-obamacare-yes-it-is-in-the-law/In the Affordable Care Act, the gun lobby�s section is in Title X, starting on page 2,037, line 23. �Protection of Second Amendment Gun Rights� contains five provisions mostly dedicated to shutting down conversation about guns in medicine. What do these sections contain?
Wellness and prevention programs may not require the disclosure or collection of information relating to the presence or storage of a lawfully possessed firearm or the use of a firearm. At least the law didn�t say we couldn�t ask about it, we just have to do it clandestinely.
The next provision states we can�t collect data related to owning or using firearms. So we can�t write it down? Sounds like an effective way to stifle research related to gun violence so we can no longer prove that easier access to guns increases the risk of mass violence.
Provision three states we can�t use or maintain records of individual ownership or possession of firearms or ammunition. I�m fine with that not being allowed in medicine, but that information should be tracked somewhere. A person amassing an arsenal should raise an eyebrow.
Provision four limits the ability to determine rates or eligibility for health insurance based on gun ownership. Now why is that even in there? Title I of the ACA states that insurance will be guaranteed issue so no one can be turned down. Even if they own enough guns to hunt every squirrel in the United States, they will qualify for health insurance. Just so the gun owners have the correct information, rates are based on only four factors � age, location, number of family members, and smoking status. Wait � guns smoke, so maybe they thought that was meant for gun owners.
The final provision related to gun owners is that individuals do not have to disclose they own a gun. We know you can�t make people tell the truth, but fortunately most people in the throes of mental anguish and considering violence will tell the truth when asked.
Exact law:
��(c) PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.�
As added by section 10101(e)(2)
(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS
�A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to�
(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or
(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual.
(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION
�None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection of any information relating to -
(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition;
(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or
(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.
(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS
�None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.
(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE
�A premium rate may not be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied, and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance upon�
(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or
(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.
(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR INDIVIDUALS
�No individual shall be required to disclose any information under any data collection activity authorized under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act relating to�
(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or
(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition.
Facts are irrelevant here. Go away.
Why would anyone answer "Yes?"
I do not see doctors often but I was treated at an ER for an allergic reaction and not asked and the Seattle VS system does not ask.
My normal doctor is my BIL and we shoot together.
I heard about this and it was talked about here way before O-care.
I think it's a "safety statistic" generated by the AMA.
Correct answer......Oh hell no Doc, why do you ask? Just cause I live in MT with all these gun totin' provincial barbarians?
Thanks for providing that info, Calhoun..
At the same time, when has this regime followed any laws? In fact, when have they followed their own ACA law? IIRC, the AIC has 'modified' that law over 30 times - ILLEGALLY, I might add - in order to benefit his party??
Trust NOTHING regarding this regime..
Doctors aren't stupid.
he's gotta turn in the chart to the front desk to figure your bill
having a gun in the house increases your chances of not being billed $200 for two aspirin.
it's just self preservation it seems.
having a gun in the house increases your chances of not being billed $200 for two aspirin..
I just had an idea, after reading that sentence..
When the patient gets home, take two aspirin from
their bottle, bring them to the doc and say, "I'm returning these two for a refund."
when the survey political girl asked me last evening if we owned a gun
I responded "honey you called an Alaskan number, are you gonna ask next if it ever gets cold here? Those moose don't just march into the freezer yaknow"
turns out all she wanted was a yes or no, who knew? lol
I believe the NRA lost this one, and it may have been a precedent for the country.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...banning-doctors-from-asking-about-guns/#
It's part of a new federal requirement. It will become part of your electronic medical record which the Feds will have access too. Lot's of new charting requirements. My wife's a PA and is having to do all sorts of things to keep of with the new federal requirements. She hardly works anymore but is always getting calls from the urgent care she fills in at on occasion to come in and fill out some new paperwork.
She has also been required to move to electronic charting and had to electronically order so many scripts within a time frame. If information is power then this government is grabbing lots of it.
Bb
I can't find any such federal law. You got a link to something that supports this?
Part of the obamacare issue. Had a nurse ask me that when we got a new doctor after the old one left. She started in with the questions, I cut it short by asking her what her favorite sexual position was...she looked shocked and I just replied turnabout is fair play. You get to ask a question then I do
Some things are just none of others people's business.
Yep, ^ , O-care.
In doing some reading on this the last time it came up, I'm pretty sure it came from some "continued training" the docs receive at seminars and such.
In other words, no law or gov agency requested it, but rather some medical research group thought it would be a good idea to ask. Then included it in their training and lectures, and some docs bought it and the smart ones didn't.
It was questioning promoted by the anti gun AMA.
Interesting. Personally, I've never left my kids alone with a doctor for any reason
Same here. I've even gotten into an argument with my kid's last dentist. They tried to tell me I wasn't allowed to watch my kids get their teeth cleaned,it was "against their policy".
I told them it was against my policy to leave my kids with some yahoo I don't know. Turns out my policy is more strictly enforced than their policy.
My Doctor always brings the Newest Pistol he has purchased to his office with him when i have an appointment, so he can show it to me, he then ask me what I'm carrying today and for me to let him look at it .
That's how it'd be at my office, Bob
We just had training on a new software / electronic medical record system, and lo and behold there was the "guns" question tucked in there along with all manner of other personal schidt I'd never ask a patient without a really, really, really good reason. Why is it there - ostensibly, insurance-driven. Reality - I don't know, but it's no stretch at all to imagine the information being mis-used at a future point in time. Suffice to say, won't be participating in that bullschidt. Patients are welcome to bring their latest unloaded toy, what the hell, compared to the jibber jabber I hear all day it's a breath of fresh air.
A friend of mine just informed me that he was asked by his doctor's office if he had any guns in his home.
This is not new. I remember being asked this stuff at least 10 years ago by my kids pediatrician. Standard answer was always, "Nope."
My Doctor always brings the Newest Pistol he has purchased to his office with him when i have an appointment, so he can show it to me, he then ask me what I'm carrying today and for me to let him look at it .
That's how it'd be at my office, Bob
We just had training on a new software / electronic medical record system, and lo and behold there was the "guns" question tucked in there along with all manner of other personal schidt I'd never ask a patient without a really, really, really good reason. Why is it there - ostensibly, insurance-driven. Reality - I don't know, but it's no stretch at all to imagine the information being mis-used at a future point in time. Suffice to say, won't be participating in that bullschidt. Patients are welcome to bring their latest unloaded toy, what the hell, compared to the jibber jabber I hear all day it's a breath of fresh air.
Need more like you! Our home grown Docs have long since retired. All we seem to get now is libtard imports. Which is why I am liking this cold nasty winter....weeds them out
If you are going to answer it, I would just say something like: they're not at HOME, I have them all on me now.
If I'm ever questioned I'll reply..............NOYGDB!!!!!
Gunner
1.) Don't give the nurse, PA, or front office person in a Medical office a GFY, they don't deserve that. They aren't making the rules. They are required to ask, and are in breach of the law if they don't. They don't want to get fired for not doing what is required. 99% don't care, they are just doing what they must do. Same for the MD. 99% don't care. Here in Georgia, most MD's have guns. I hunt and shoot with a bunch of them.
2.) I see no reason that you couldn't decline to answer that with a polite "I don't talk about such things".
3.) Just say "no" and get over it.
4.) Vote the Libs out of office, and if you live in a conservative district, work and or support those in other areas/states that have contested seats.
you bet here in California they also ask the kids when they go too see the doctor no bs son brought the form over too me and said dad wtf I tell them too just say no and leave it at that.........
Hell....
Two of the Doctors who performed surgery on me were avid hunters. One showed me photos of his African safari and the other is a dedicated bird hunter. In fact he purchased a Model 21 Double from a gun trader friend of mine. He and I would laugh about not owning enough guns or flyrods.
I guess my part of the country is a whole different from modern day urban America.
A friend of mine just informed me that he was asked by his doctor's office if he had any guns in his home.
This is not new. I remember being asked this stuff at least 10 years ago by my kids pediatrician. Standard answer was always, "Nope."
Same here.
Ask them if they or anyone in their household ever performed or had an abortion.
A friend of mine just informed me that he was asked by his doctor's office if he had any guns in his home.
This is not new. I remember being asked this stuff at least 10 years ago by my kids pediatrician. Standard answer was always, "Nope."
I also was asked several years ago, and this was way before any obamacare.
I had one of my doctors offer to loan me his T/C Contender to hunt with.
I agree with hatari - Be polite it goes a long way.
I've just spent 70 days in the hospitals, was seen by 'only the Lord knows' how many doctors, and never once did any of them ask me if I had guns in my house.
(Of course, when your in the hospital for falling out of a deer stand, it might be a stupid question)
I didn't read all the replies so if I missed something , me bad . I don't remember the question being part of O'care but think it is part or one of the orders O put in effect after the Newtown shootings to help deal with the metal healthe issue. So your answer may be put in your medicial file and if you are EVER perscribed any mential health drug (depression , anxiety ect. or maybe as simple as sleep disorder , one could be deammed unfit to own a gun . be very aware how onw answers any question that is put "on file " these days .
im in a docs office atleast once a month and saw a pain specialist at one of the bigger hospitals in the state yesterday for a first ever visit and i havent been asked......course this is Montana and it would be more notable if someone answered "no"
When checking in for surgery yesterday, I was asked for my SSN. I said, "No." They said, "Just write DECLINE on the form then."
Simply tell the Doctor, "I decline to answer."
GFY is much shorter than DECLINE
Part of the "lifestyle risks" reports sent to insurance companies, according to a nurse I asked about it.
It's also sent to Federal Researchers.
I have seen that question on medical questionnaires since long before Obama got elected.
The AMA is very anti-gun and they suggest what goes on most such forms. The last time I saw that question I simply marked NA.
That obviously marks me as a gun owner AND a non-conformist. Fug em!
I also enjoy the other standard question on the form "Do you feel safe in your home?"
The last time I was asked that one I answered "No, I am constantly worried that Obama's black helicopters will soon be landing on my roof."
That only got me a very puzzled look from the nurse, and a sharp jab in the ribs from my wife.
Living without a firearm is a "lifestyle risk"
Having one close at hand isn't a assurance of safety, but it does add to the survival odds.
Had a pediatrician ask once. I just told him "no, but I have three lawyers in the family, why?" He went right to something else.
Only times it is justified is when their treating someone for depression or a serious mental illness like paranoid skitzophrenia. It shouldn't be included in your file though.
When my doctor gives me samples, I give him 22lrs. Seems fair.
When I fill out a Dr form, there are large areas that I leave blank. When it has no bearing on my treatment protocol and outcome, they don't need that info.
I've never been asked about firearms, but would ask what that has to do with why I'm here for an appt. They seem to feel that the entire page must be filled with questions.
One line on the form that convinces me that they don't really read that stuff and it only comes out for lawyers, was when it asked after my name "what do you like to be called"?
I wrote "Mr. President".
ZERO response.
Has never happened. This living in Canada and Australia as well.
I talk with my Doctor about hunting all the time. I figure he knows that I have guns. miles
I have seen that question on medical questionnaires since long before Obama got elected.
THAT.
The AMA is very anti-gun and they suggest what goes on most such forms. The last time I saw that question I simply marked NA.
IIRC, the question was added by pressure from something like the American Pediatrics Assn.. (cannot recall exact name).
That obviously marks me as a gun owner AND a non-conformist. Fug em!
THAT..
I also enjoy the other standard question on the form "Do you feel safe in your home?"
If I see that, I'll write, "Do you?"
The last time I was asked that one I answered "No, I am constantly worried that Obama's black helicopters will soon be landing on my roof."
Good one! Another possibility: "Not as long as the Azzhole-in-Chief is in the White House!"
That only got me a very puzzled look from the nurse, and a sharp jab in the ribs from my wife.
What I'd most likely get too..
The answer to that question should be a resounding....GFY. Followed by getting up and leaving.
Last time I was at the doctors office the nurse surprised me by asking if I wear my seat belt. I told her I was there to get my BP prescription renewed and that since I couldn't see the correlation it was none of her business.
Don't know if the gun question was next but if it was she didn't bother.