Just what is the upcoming Jade Helm nighttime military exercise, to occur in 7 southwestern states this summer?
Happening July 15- Sept 15 this year. Anybody got any more information? It gives me an uncomfortable feeling.
Any coincidence that the Net Neutrality thing has taken shape as well?

They announced this operation locally at the end of last summer.

It made me a bit uneasy and confused as to how they are gaining access to private lands in Texas, because they specifically mentioned in the news reports about the possibility of encountering armed troops on remote area ranches.

http://eotmblog.com/2015/03/us-army...-the-human-domain-with-jade-helm-report/

Could it be the practice drill for martial law, or areas they feel is the "resistance?

A bit unconventional that they would send troops and forces into our homeland for training that involves interaction with the American public.

Unless we are considered the enemy...

Tin foil prices going up.. Coincidence? Or conspiracy??

Hussein doesn't want to leave office.

What could possibly go wrong?

I'll start with EVERYTHING.

A deputy and soldier got into a fatal shooting a few years back during Robin Sage training in NC.

Seems there was a little "notification" issue.

Just looking at the facts of the operation where they are training for "Unconventional Warfare" in areas of the U.S., and some of those areas are marked "Hostile Territory".

WTF would they consider entire states "hostile"...?

When have operations like this to interact with the public and learn from that public reaction ever been conducted on our own soil?

hell, they should be training in the mexican border states.

Just on the Mexican side.

Oh yeah, it's a takeover. That's why it's not a secret.

Area 51 is dead center of the exercise. Coincidence?

Øbama maybe going back home?

They have an express flight to Kenya?

They Train at night around here all the time... Monday night two BlackHawks come over the House so Low They about Knocked the House off the footing....Scared the chit out of me!!!!! My son lives about 5 miles from here in the middle of a 200 ac field....They train weekly in the woods behind his house...Monday night, He saw about 30 para shoots in the sky a few mins after the BlackHawks came over here.......

When the mission is to attack people's couches, then the campfire forum will have something to worry about.

same here in central NC.

No choppers though, but the planes use the cell tower out back as a nav aid, and we have some tree trimmers come over sometimes that really rattle the windows.

Low enough that at night, I can make out the red lights in the cargo area, when they drop the rear doors. That low.

The Ospreys have been using the local airport to practice takeoff and landings for years. Asked a guy once why here? he said it's because it is surrounded by fields and near a hospital, so when somebody crashes we will not hit anything much and can get help quickly.

Our ranch is on the western edge of the circled area. During Iraqi freedom, they were there flying over all the time. Ft Hood, one of the largest military installations in the world is in the area. Lots of military bases in Utah as well.

here is what .gov SAYS Jade Helm is about. Personally, I think they are training to fight American Citizens that bitch too much.
https://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/2...ue&escape=false&view_mode=scroll

Ha! Bastrop county! No doubt they will be operating out of Camp Swift.

I'm sure.

Can't figure out the reason Goliad and Victoria are on there, though.

Did quite a bit of work at Camp Swift in the early 90's.
Did it escape the fire? I know lots of the pines burned around Bastrop.

"Conditioning" to make it easier for when the time comes for "Martial Law"?

Maybe I'm being naive about this, but doesn't the military have plenty of secure land available to them to perform these exercises on where the chance of interaction and possible confrontation is practically nil?

Seems to me the Third Amendment [how many of you will have to google it ] prevents them from setting foot on ANY private property without the owner's permission.

In other words, the Commissioner's Court for a particular County can't "invite" them, which is how the article reads.

As an aside... Greg will be delighted to learn that he lives in "friendly territory".

Yeah Swift escaped that fire. But they do have the fire school there and they conduct controlled burns there during the summer. Most of the big stuff was along the SH 71 corridor. Between Bastrop and Smithville.
I can always put momma and Wifey in their wheelchairs as soft targets! LOL! Moms so weak she will just havta set there and Steph is still paralyzed on left side pretty good so all she will do is push herself around in a circle. I still have moms hover round I can ride! We'll look like a blue hair bus tour at the Grand Canyon! !

Seeing troops on private land is nothing new - in Louisiana. For years every spring/summer they would have war games. Drive all over the country, tear down fences, drive across pastures, etc. They always repaired whatever the tore down or broke.

I was at my cousins house one summer and when we got out the next morning, we were surrounded. They had chosen my uncles place as an enemy headquarters or something, and had slipped in during the night and surrounded the place. We had heard the dogs barking during he night, but didnt pay any attention, just figured it was a varmint of some kind. This would go on for 2-3 weeks and then it was over. That was the ground training part.

The bombing, which took place on Fort Polk, would last a lot longer. We would get to see fighters headed for the base flying low, and then in a few minutes they would be coming back with other fighters chasing them. Bombs could be heard and at night we could see the flares dropping to the ground and the bomb flashes.

This was 50 years ago and my cousins said they did this every summer, so I'm guessing they still do.

Randy!

Remember reading about the BIG one they had there right before WWII. There's a famous pic of Patton in his Stuart!!! Also still a lot of mounted cav units were used there!!

Woodie- Have you got your tin-foil cap and is it in good condition? Sounds like you might need it!

Na,,,, right now that's the least of my problems. If they wanna come in and help me change depends and empty catheter bags they are welcome! I figure I have enough biohazards here to keep just about anyone run off!

If H&H (Hussein and Holder) could be jointly in charge, we could all sleep better knowing that nothing would possibly go wrong and that our best interests would be upheld and to the highest standards.

Bugger, you need to pinch yourself and wake up... your dreaming again!

I thought the 3rd prohibited mandatory quartering of troops. The 4th and 10th would appear to be more prohibitive of this kind of intrusion to me.

Of course as we all know, that's all in theory as the Constitution has been suspended by the usurper, anyway.

Street word is their going to lure in all of the illegal aliens they can with free drivers licenses,SS, WIC,EBT,& get out jail free cards. Put them in large fema impounds covering one state and call it California. No wait, already been done and found to be highly unsuccessful. GW

I think "quartering" has a wider definition than just sleeping in your house.

And...... Texas law allows a homeowner IN A RURAL AREA to use deadly force AFTER DARK against any intruder.

And...... Lots of locked gates in Texas nowadays.

The government is getting ready take what the private citizens have especially the preppers families and citizens they consider hostile too their agendas. O is fixing to declare himself king of the USA.

"Quartering" does have a broader definition than allowance to sleep in your house. It covers sleeping and setting up "residence" (i.e., tents, barracks, etc.) or staging themselves, equipment, materials, etc., in your home or buildings or on your property.

They'll not be doing that; they'll be quartering on .mil or .gov installations and going wherever they damn well please between 2300 and 0400, every night, for two months.

Does anyone know what legal authority they have to do this? What happens when a landowner shoots somebody that surprises him in the dark??

The third appears to be a bit different than your interpretation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Or could it be close to similar operating ranges and terrain/enviroment for a raid on Iran? Check the distances. A base of operations in a secure area to an objective in the Iranina mountains? Perhaps the Iranian nuclear labs? The mumbo jumbo they speak (milspeak?) could hint at getting support or dealing with populations in other countries. A lot of shoot/don't shoot scenarios and other wrinkles to a plan that should be ironed out before attempting.

Easy there Ranger.

It's not like whole towns that looked some middle eastern schithole were built in the desert, used in live training exercises, then dismantled in less than a week, or anything like that....

Cut fences, livestock run ragged, horses run thru wire by low choppers All happened before.

I can't wait!!!!!

I see the Express to KOOK-A-MANGA is rapidly filling up....

Black hawks fly from Swift to Mabry in Austin over our place every day. It's the low ones that cause issues. Hell even star flight won't land out here anymore. They have predetermined LZ's now. Ambulance had to transport Wifey about 5 miles to LZ for her last ride back in January. I was suprised that the chopper got to the hospital 5 minutes before I did! LOL! And I pretty much drove the speed limit. Didn't wanna hit a hog.

Just who in the frick do these people think they are? Isn't it enough that the government has over the years confiscated sometimes at gun point, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of acres for massive military posts and bases scattered around the country? Now, they are saying that isn't enough and it is necessary to further infringe on private property rights?

I would be beyond pissed if some of my cows got out or if my deer changed their patterns because of these idiots running around in the dark.

From your citation:

"The Third Amendment is among the least cited sections of the U.S. Constitution.[14] In the words of Encyclopedia Britannica, "as the history of the country progressed with little conflict on American soil, the amendment has had little occasion to be invoked."[15] As of 2014, no major Supreme Court decision has used the amendment as its primary basis.[2][3]"


The Second Amendment seemed pretty clear as well until the S.C. got involved. I doubt that a "clear reading" ruling with a 9-0 majority would emanate from ANY S.C. that has ever sat.

Do you think the U.S. Military should be able to use private property for training missions if the owner objects?

I'm not claiming that your post infers that.

Knew a rancher out on the Pecos in west Texas lost about two dozen sheep to a hot shot F4 pilot Last one to bite the deck from Bergstrom AFB. We all got a good chuckle. AF told him to file claim on lost sheep. About 8 months later some 2nd loowie showed up wanting to see "bodies"! He told em what was left was "down by the creek! Good luck!!! Coyotes did a number on the remains too!"

How about if we amend that statement to include "Without Permission"... ?

I may not be around to "object". Or, I may be asleep.

Owning private property has it's rights. One of them is to post the property against trespass, and have that posting have legal clarity and upstanding in a court of law.

I've seen that as well. Not even too distantly in the past. 3-4 years ago.

That concept is dying quickly, in the Homeland. You are merely a tenant of Homeland soil, living there and paying rent/taxes to the Owner/Gov't for the privilege of being allowed to keep and improve that property for the benefit of the Owner/Gov't. They will use that property as they see fit, when they choose, and if you object, the property will be taken from you and reappropriated to those who are more "patriotic" to the Homeland.

"How about if we amend that statement to include "Without Permission"... ?"

No........ the article claims they are asking County Commissioners in Texas to "invite" them. I don't know any Counties that own enough property to be of any use to the exercise. That seems to mean the Commissioners would give them permission to use private land in the County, thereby circumventing the owner.

But, since Commissioners have to run for office every four years, that might not fly.

Since there basically is no public land in Texas, it is hard to imagine what kind of permission the county commissioners could give that would be worth the paper it was written on.

The Kings men. Hold your tongue, knave.

" worth the paper it was written on. "

And THAT would stop the Feds... ?

Like Treaties????

I'll bet a lotta people forget their phone number if they don't use it for four years.

Probably not far off the truth...

I trust our government, and especially this administration less than I do a used car salesman. MUCH less.

I'd appreciate a cite.

Here's one, apart from the wiki one we've already seen.

http://usconservatives.about.com/od/conservativepolitics101/qt/Third-Amendment-Bill-of-Rights.htm

The Third Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects American citizens from being forced to use their homes to board members of the U.S. military. The amendment does not extend the same privilege to American citizens during times of war. The law's relevance diminished greatly after the American Civil War and is largely archaic in the 21st Century. During the American Revolution, colonists were frequently forced to house British soldiers on their property during times of war and peace. Very often, these colonists would find themselves being forced to put up and feed entire regiments of the Crown, and the soldiers weren't always good house guests. Article III of the Bill of Rights was created to do away with the troublesome British law, known as the Quartering Act, that permitted this practice.

In the 20th century, however, members of the U.S. Supreme Court have referenced the Third Amendment in privacy rights cases. In most recent cases, however, the Ninth and Fourteenth amendments are cited more frequently and are more applicable to defending Americans' right to privacy.

Although it is occasionally the subject of far-fetched lawsuits, there have been a few cases in which the Third Amendment played an important role. For that reason, the amendment has never suffered a significant challenge for repeal. For conservatives generally, and cultural conservatives in particular, the Third Amendment serves as a reminder of this nation's early struggles against oppression.

"Home" in numerous cases has been extended to the curtilage and beyond to include property when the 4th Amendment cases against search and seizure are in question.

If you want full citations on those, I'd suggest taking a few classes on Constitutional law and property law. Start your research with "home" under the 4A, and go from there.

This referenced the very specific 3rd amendment. But thanks for the suggestion.

When the Amendment in question does not have specific definitions for a term in question, check as to whether the term has been defined by case law under another Amendment.

They'll play hell.

No tinhorn county commissioner has the right to give permissions for anyone to enter my private property.

I think they had a meeting and were told that this operation is coming to the county, and hope they will be welcomed, and will keep every county agency apprised of the situation.

The day some tinhorn politician gives the military permission to enter private land, and do what they want is the day the civil war starts. At least it would on my ranch.

We can't even call him "The Great White Father in Washington" anymore... 'Cause he ain't.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Feds can't enter any county for such exercises - legally - without the Sheriff's permission, right?

They can on federal lands. Like BLM, National Forest or such.

There is also this bullschidt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception

Border Patrol (Feds) can enter private property with 100 miles of the border. You can not deny them access.

I thought the county judge had something to do with that.

And, who passed that border bill?

If they want to play, let them play on Federale land. Otherwise, piss off.

They have enough public land to play with.

That is why I'm confused about the private land and 'Texas' issue. Especially the areas in Texas they named. I live right between two of the towns mentioned specifically in the govt. press release.

Party at 'bbar's!

Ricky, this is "Third amendment blues" by my son as part of his songwriting odyssey...

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I certainly have a soft spot for the boys in green, but I don't let the Robin Sage guys play on my property.

We got a whole National Forest within a couple clicks they can use.

Come on down!

Man I'd be there tonight Barry!!!! Only if to get away!!!!!

Sounds like annual National Guard training to me.

Been there, done that. Sometimes they give it fancy name to get more money from the Feds, sometimes they don't.

There used to be some NOE lanes just outside of Ft. Hood. I have been on a couple of them back in 1990 and 1991.
kwg

If they start stirring up my livestock, they'll find out that NM is not "leaning hostile" - I'll be decidedly hostile!
Air Force tore up a windmill wheel once (is backblast the proper term?) and when I asked, I was told they'd pay upon me telling them the offending plane's serial number.

I hope obama paid off the drug cartels so
they don't shoot the [bleep] out of 'em
[bleep]' around down here, cause the cartels
use real bullets.

Great video and song, Gene. Your son has a good voice and is quite talented. Thanks for posting that!

Its called training.

Rockinbar, I am not sure you are right on the border patrol, coming on private land with out owners's ok, We deal with the border patrol every day here on the ranch, and they cannot come on this ranch without calling me first.so far this year they have picked up 1800 illegals and drug dealers here. rio7

^^^^^
THIS

So what happened when landowners dogs came after them?

Also, I would have thought folks could tell the difference in their own dog barking at a varmint vs something more malevolent.

It depends on the miles from the border. They CAN enter within 100, but anything within 25, you cannot deny them access. In fact, all our ranch gates that fall under that, out in west Texas have a BP lock on the chain as well. Tried to fight them with it, but they won. All the ranchers there have the same issues.

They don't always use it for stellar purposes either. The chief BP guy was caught poaching a pronghorn out of season. Guess how he gained access to that pasture?

I guess it's different here, we within 25 miles of the border, and they don't come on us unless we give our ok, and we guide them to where they want to go on the ranch. rio7

I don't deny that for a second. Of course they are training...

The question is, for what?

Why would entire states be listed as "Hostile"?



These are special forces and SEALs, and other agencies not named in the official govt. press release. They are not some green reserve recruits.

We've had BP drive up on Kenedy county place, thru the gate from the neighbors place, not having a clue where they were. Never knowing they had been thru several other properties. During deer season, with hunters in the pasture. Well I suppose the "knew" where they were by looking at their GPS.

I was in the Red Sea on the Kennedy (CV 67) for that one. But 2002-2004 they used those lanes as well as cross country over our place. Our ranch is under the Brownwood MOA...so lots of high altitude stuff as well. Camp Bowie was a Divisional WW2 training base that extended 20 miles south of town. After rain, we find 50 and 30 cal bullets left over from training. We also find mortar and tank shells...unexploded.

It seems to me that SOCOM is training for similar terrain, size for something overseas.

http://immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/authority-us-customs-and-border-protection-agents-overview

Rockinbar, I guess we are just lucky, to deal with some good patrol agents, there are no border patrol locks on any of our gates,only our locks, every coyote and drug dealer has a key to the border patrol locks around here.and the border patrol knows it.I told the head man at the border patrol, that we would not let them on our ranch unless they called us first and we guided them to where they wanted to go. he said ok. the down side is I get calls at all times of the day and night to let them in and guide them to where they want to go. last night We had 5 units working till 1;00 am on the ranch, picked up 14 people. rio7

Yeah, that is the way it was with my place in Uvalde.

In most cases, I ended up doing the tracking for them.

It's fun tracking men...

rockinbar, Thats where we differ, I never help the border patrol track or pick up people or drugs, I just guide them to where they want to go.then guide them back out when they have finished their work. down here helping the border patrol to much can get you killed. rio7

All we were tracking at the time was wetbacks. Different times we live in today.

When I see 'em or find their sign, I just call now.

It's because that's how the situation is in Iraq and Syria with ISIS. There are varying levels of hostilities in different area, which will call for varying rules of engagement and strategies. Much of this is designed for the guys in the bunker who have to play their little games on a map. During the exercise, these "hostile vs peaceful" zones may change from time to time so the guys on the ground can work under the varying ROE's etc.

It's designed to reflect the realities we will face when we go back into Iraq and Syria with ground troops.

The middle east is pockmarked with areas that are hostile, friendly, or leaning a different way. Even flying over Baghdad, the area around Sadar City was a no-fly zone unless specifically tasked to go in there. Didnt mean much for the high altitude folks, but for the helo guys, Baghdad was broken into about 120 sectors and any of them could be called off-limits for numerous reasons.

Train as you fight.

Looks like I might get to try out my 308.

Whatever you say, skippy.

maybe so, but i known one rancher down south of sierra vista that sure has denied entry to border patrol.

I think that new mexico has a training facility for the national guard in use for years for urban issues etc.
as to the blackhawks we had quite a few of them last year fly over my house in nw phx heading downtown on training missions, often right at dusk or afterdark.

On my place - it's called "Trespassing"

Nobody's going to be coming onto your place.

Most of them won't ever make it out of the major training centers.

There's lots of places on the govt. press release that don't have any training centers.

But, do have any information, or participating in this at any level, AS? You seem to have some inside information. If so, I wonder what other agencies are participating that the press release eludes to, but doesn't mention?

Rock, I participated in Annual training exercised every year of my military service, Foxhole to bunker.

Sometimes some big wig would come in and tell us about how we were participating in some big special exercise, but the truth of the matter was we would get into our vehicles and drive to the same training area we did every years, and do the same thing we did every year. The only real difference is there would be some big wig in a bunker someplace pretending to control us all, and perhaps more units would be in the field at the same time for the command staff games.

Every year, every northern hemisphere military goes through an annual training cycle. It begins with low level unit training in march, and higher levels of coordination are added along the way until the cycle peaks and ends in August or September.

Exercised of this type happen every year, this one is just getting a little extra publicity because of who is the Commander and Chief.

The most important thing to know about this story, is WHO STARTED IT, ALEX JONES OF INFOWARS, i.e. the biggest kook of them all.

I'm pretty familiar with the military training, as I have frequently encountered it both on military reservations like McGregor Range, and even in Texas around Ft. Hood area. Seen the Army come into Brady Lake and do maneuvers for a couple of weeks in the summer each year as well.

I don't pay much attention to the kook fringe either. They lie as much as the far left groups. The questions I had came from the official govt. press release, and the obvious shift of focus from training green troops to sending the "hammers" into areas with totally different objectives of getting a barometer on American public reaction.

It seems like a learning session. Testing the waters, so to speak. I was wondering why, is all.

Of course, it is. And that's the truth, I'm sure. But such training inside the US now that the military has been systematically gutted of patriots of conservative America in the general staff does make one a bit concerned.

So they should invade a foreign nation to conduct training?

Hmmmm... Not a bad idea. Live fire in cartel laden environments would be a benefit all around. But if we are not ready for truly good work, government ground on the borders or nearby should be a requirement but for those with a different ax to grind.

Not really. One of the comments was they wanted to train in terrain more like what we are seeing where we fight. Not too far from here, we have a high altitude warfare center, and it's been getting more use by a wider variety of units so they can be more familiar with what they may experience in Afghanistan before they deploy. A good friend of mine flies various airfames for the service, and recently did a significant amount of flying along the border in Southern Texas and New Mexico. He hatted flying down there because of how much it reminded him of some of the places he'd flown in the sandbox.

As for SF training, those guys are ALWAYS training. They may not get the publicity for it, but their training is relentless and constant but if you plan to go into the worst of circumstance and come out alive, that's what it takes. As for them participating in there large exercises....it's nothing new.