I seem to recall there once being one. Yes, no? If no, why? It would seem to be the ideal place for those that find such an important thing to chat about. Really no different than those into BPCR or cast bullet reloading?

Yep, 'Christ at the Campfire'

It may or may not be a 'private forum' now. Rick shut it down because it really was a piranha tank.

You're chittin me? How could it be any different than the enthusiasts of long range hunting?

Does rampant anti-Semitism, Catholic hatred and bashing to an embarrassing level, and general assholishness unbecoming of even this forum give you a clue?

The "christians" demanded their own little place where they could have "fellowship"; Rick gave it to them; they turned into a cross between the Inquisition, a Klan revival, and StormFront; Rick made it private and out of public view in order to try to appease the "christians" while not having his site blacklisted by any decent sponsor. Whether it survives at this point is a mystery, but given the recent trends in the Hunter's Campfire I would tend to think it finally got 86'd.

Seemed there was a BUNCH of Catholic bashing, and the owner of this site is Catholic.

Yea, Sean summed it up quite nicely.

Christ at the Campfire made the Kurd/ISIS fighting look like a Boy Scout jamboree....

The wailing and gnashing of teeth will commence shortly, without fail.

On a side note, are you on your last hitch?

The private forum is still there... I just looked in the back door... looks like few use it anymore because of attrition.

Kent

Most threads about religion that appear on THIS forum give a clue as to content in the thread title.

Pretty simple to just not open them if you don't like the topic.

Are you "offended" by "For Sale" threads that occasionally appear here instead of the Classifieds?

Or members posting HERE about a new custom rifle they are building instead of on the dedicated forum?

I don't care anything about car racing or basketball and very little for the NFL. When I see a thread about any of them I don't open it and I certainly don't post comments expressing how much I think those sports suck. Hint.


Puzzles me why the same thing can't apply to "religion" or anything else.

Here's a hint: because this is a business (i.e., Rick receives revenue from it and is legally responsible for it).

For the same reason that porn is yanked off of here, as well as some of the more egregious racism and other filth that pops up from time to time, religious threads get scrutiny because it can and does potentially threaten his business and his legal responsibility. The type of stuff that was posted under "religious" threads that lead to the making of CATC not visible to the public (and seems to be cropping up again) directly threatened Rick's business relationship with sponsors and possibly him personally for at least implicitly condoning such activities on his site.

Now, when NASCAR or the NFL or basketball threads start doing the same then they'll get the same scrutiny and treatment.

As slow as I am Steelhead you answered a question about 4ager for me. Now even I'll will remember. How in the world would 4 ager know so much about this site and the past and be only 4 years old.
I don't think I even remember seeing the Christ at the CF area.

My goal was to be on a plane Friday. Still working HR in three countries to make it happen. I am doubtful but within a week, yes. I have a pile of 41 AE to load up with my youngest in his EAA.

I don't open them but just wanted to recall if my memory was right. Why the hell would those not enthused by a topic not want to huddle around it? As I wrote, like bullet casting.

It seems to me, that everyone has an opinion on religion, even when they don't believe in it. miles

Threads up here get more views and responses quicker up here. I keep my religion discussions to pm. There is a sports section in the misc down at bottom. Where is this private forum? Never seen them, or maybe my post count isn't high enough. Doesn't sound like I'm missing much anyway.

No one, just by virtue of being born, is forced into a choice regarding bullet casting. Not everyone is equally qualified to hold an opinion about bullet casting. No one sees themselves as being mandated to convince others of the virtue of bullet casing.Finally, there is no cheering section when the topic is bullet casting.

I remember the conversations BEFORE there was a dedicated Christian forum, WHEN the forum was created, When it was elevated and called "Top 'O' The Heap" because it occupied the first spot in the list of forums, When it was changed to CATC, and SINCE it was changed to a private "chat room" [I wasn't invited,btw ] and I can tell you this:

The way it is now, with religion threads open to public view, is the best solution for Rick and the members. Self moderation has been the hallmark of the 'fire since its creation.

I am out.

Well I have been here less than you and I have seen it. Not much fellowship going on as I recall. If you poke around some of the members postings you can find it. Not sure if you post on there until your "invited". Not sure who can do that either.

Religion is nothing but a state of ones own mind , so they should keep their believes to themselves and not try to force it on others .

Zombie Jesus forum?

I am not familiar with the sub-forum in question but find it hard to believe that the other stuff that goes on here everyday is okay with the "sponsors" but people arguing about religion was or is going to cause them to pull out.
But, there are tons of double standards and hypocrisy in today's world so you may in fact be correct.

Not an argument for a dedicated religious forum....I really don't care....merely an observation.

It wasn't arguing that was the issue.

Out of sight and out of mind makes some more comfortable. It is amazing so many are unable to refrain jumping into those threads to ridicule those who agree in word and deed with the statement "...the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Wrong.

If it were about business and revenue, a LOT of stuff would be yanked from this place that isn't. In fact, the very subject matter of this Campfire (guns, hunting), not to mention a primarily conservative bent, automatically disqualifies us from many revenue sources, and creates the type of heartburn that 4ager implies would intimidate or affect my decisionmaking. I can speak for myself, thank you.

Heartburn comes with this gig. I accept what I have to.

No, the reason Christ at the Campfire was nuked was because I naively thought it would be a great place for Christians, which most of the Campfire membership is or professes to be, to fellowship. It wasn't. In fact, it was just the opposite. And that's it in a nutshell.

It turns out we can't fellowship so well as "Christians," but only (maybe) if we are a certain brand of Christian. It is true that I and many others here are Roman Catholic, and the level of Catholic-bashing was over the top.

I am a hunter. I do not have to sponsor anti-hunting or anti-2nd Amendment content.

I am an American. I do not have to sponsor anti-American content.

I am a devout Catholic, and a Christian, and I do not choose to sponsor anti-Catholicism. As wise sage and member of this Campfire mentioned to me, "There are no pews in Cabelas." Now I know why. I will not make the same mistake again.

As to the Private Forum, I do not visit it. It is decidedly NOT by invitation only as some have claimed, and never has been. If you ask, you will be granted access. BUT, you are on your own. I consider it a large group Private Message of sorts. By all accounts, it has dwindled, and I am not surprised, after what I saw on CATC. I want no part of it.

I stand corrected and thank you for that. My guess as to why the moves were made were wrong, and your answer as to why makes much sense.

Amen

Your memory was right and both Steelhead and 4agr were spot on. Since then many of the worst offenders have moved on.

Hpe you make it home on time and in good shape.

Thanks for the clarification, Rick.

And thank you for such a great site. I'm sure it does come with alot of heartburn, and a few sore, bitten, lips and tongues.

I am not Catholic but I have to say the Catholic bashing was way over the top and was in my opinion inexcusable. I was amazed Rick put up with it for so long.

I completed two Zombie rifles on Easter.

I"m all for a good debate, but there is no need to bash.

Many of the Christians here are more moral then their Holy Book, they just don't realize it.

What it basically came down to was a handful of fundamental baptists on the CATC who though they were going to be the only ones in heaven. It was a pretty good place until they took over.

We did have some rather epic brawls over the years, no better or worse than a thread about optics or rifles.

Well yea.

Everyone knows that only those who use Leopold scopes will go to Heaven.

This comes to mind when I think about the old forum..

That's just too perfect.

CATC sure did out a ton of "good" Christians. Some remaining get respect far beyond what they deserve after CATC, too.

Religion is kinda like guns: 1. There are a lot of folks nervous at the idea of it 2. There are a lot of folks who think anybody with much is nuts 3. There are a lot of religious people who think some models are better (or not) than others 4. There are those who find a real need and utility for it in their lives 5. There are a lot of who think their ideas are better than anybody elses......and on and on.

Please tell me that means you are going to nuke northwestalaska and a few others!

Rick, thank you for the clarification. I sincerely believe that there is coming a day when Christians will not be concerned with whether one is Protestant or Catholic. The only concern will be whether or not we are serving Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. We will all be "renewed" Christians and will become closer to one another due to the amount of persecution that lies ahead for sold out Christians and true followers. In the middle of increasing persecution, we will receive supernatural power to spread God's word. Check out David Wilkerson's Vision 1973 on youtube when you get a chance. This is a powerful prophetic word given.

But it was still nothing like the optics forum.

Interesting read on the history and backstory. And I'll second the thanks to Rick!

Well, at least you are finally getting a freakin clue.

That is what makes you fun to chat with.