Yeah, but is going to sing his new queer song. If it was me
I'd rather pass. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> I enjoyed Anita Bryant, who took
the high road in both instances! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Me thinks Willie is gonna smoke a turd in hell for his new song! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Huntr

First, I praise Willie for singing at Brooks!

But, I was at the concert later at the SA rodeo and he was absolutely well bad is the best I can do! No, he did not sing the queer thingy and forgot the words on most of the old time favorites. Finally near the end he was loud enough to hear a couple of lines! Willie, unfortunately can no longer "get er dun" twice in a day!

muygrande,

At least it's good that Willie used up his voice "and whatever" at the right place--Brooke Army Medical Center.

m

Certainly, you find nothing but total agreement from these quarters! I will catch him on the flip side at Flores Store next goround! I do wish I had heard him sing the queer thingy for the first time in public! Kinda like adding another "booner" to the wall of horns!

I saw Willie live way back in the early eighties. He's due here in Atlanta for performances Feb.23 and 24th. My son bought tickets for my birthday,we'll see him the 24th. I too am disapointed in his [bleep] song,but will wait and see how old Willie puts on the show.

I figure Willie has recorded 10 or 15 songs per album, for 40 or 60 albums, (400-900 songs?). If he has recorded one song, that he didn't write, making fun of drugstore cowboys, thats OK by me. What I like about Willie is he has ALWAYS been a supporter of the American Farmer, he has stepped up to the plate to raise money and awareness for hurricane victims, especially farmers. I think he is a hell of a song writer, with a good sense of humor, and not too proud to poke fun at himself.

And I give the guy credit for being out there touring and making music, most folks are happily retired by the age of 70+.

What's the old song say?, "I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was".

I'm glad he gave his best for the injured troops, I wish all the CW stars would do the same.

Sycamore

What Sycamore said!!!!!!!!!!

I will say that the acoustics in the SBC center are absolutely horrible, If he can't be heard its gotta be the sound guys more'n him, no one could sing to that place by themselves.

If he HAD sung that gay cowboy song, it'd be interesting to see the reaction from the crowd <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I confess, I have always found Mr Nelson to be way overrated on all but a couple of songs. George Jones on the other hand, that man has a gift.

Birdwatcher

The man is a patriot. He is entertaining our troops and deserves nothing but praise and encouragement for that. Some of y'all need to grow up. You make it sound like this is some playground at a Junior High School.

The man is, and always has been, a bleeding heart liberal!

Patriot? Get you head outta your azz! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

If refusing to buy into all this PC crap and not accept [bleep] as an alternative lifestyle instead of being an abominatiuon,
is childish, then a pox on you and yours!

Hope Willie saves you a turd to smoke in hell. Because that's where you are a goin, and rightly so.

Are you part of the 94% sheeple who don't have a clue
as well as no nuts? I suppose you thought the civil war was childish too?

I rejected the I'm OK, your OK crap of Norman Vincent Peale
long, long ago!

That's because most of them haven't squandered all their money on booze, broads, and drugs. Willie will need to work till he dies just to pay his back taxes!

I'm surprised he has enough unfried brain cells left to even know what state he's in while in concert. No wonder he forgets
the lyrics?


Just a passing note(pun intended) though. If Adolf Hitler
was capable of writing and singing songs, would he be a Patriot too? I'm very surprised at what some people use
as a measuring stick as to the charater of another? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

On the brighter side, Willie's new bio-diesel will have a special organic ingredient that will doubtless make the smoke much more pleasing to the greenies that inhale it. Might even see groups of them following semis in their Hondas and singin' "On The Road Again", with their heads out the windows?

If he made one wounded vet's day a bit happier by singing to them, so be it.

To me Willy's career is like a bag of sunflower seeds. There is whole a bunch of good ones, but when you get a bad one, it takes a long time to get that taste out of your mouth.

It only takes one bad thing to cancel out a whole bunch of good. I personally have lost most of the respect I had for him as far as an entertainer and would not spend a nickel to see him in concert.

RO <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

280 Don:

What?

"The man is, and always has been, a bleeding heart liberal!"

I am what you might term, "ultra-conservative". Certainly I am far to the right of our President. I also believe that Willie has the right to his views. I don't share many of them, but that's what many of my ancestors going clear back to the Revolution and in EVERY major war in our history, have fought and died for.

"Patriot? Get you head outta your azz!"

Perhaps I used the word too loosely but I have great respect for somebody who has the assets that he has yet still finds the time to devote to our service people.

"If refusing to buy into all this PC crap and not accept [bleep] as an alternative lifestyle instead of being an abominatiuon,
is childish, then a pox on you and yours!"

In the first place, I have not "bought into" "[bleep]". As a Christian, I do not agree with it and recognize it as a sin. I also recognize looking upon a woman other than my wife with lust in my heart as a sin. Which is worse in the eyes of God? I know which I consider the greater sin, but won't even presume to speak for the Almighty. All are sinners and have fallen short of the grace of God, save for one man. Homosexuals who are saved are saved and that's that. Just because I disagree with a person's lifestyle doesn't give me the right to engage in childish and hurtful denigration of them. That's what I've seen since the "Brokeback Mountain" movie came out. It was completely successful in that it brings a lot of light to the homosexual agenda. Light that wouldn't be brought to it if some of y'all would excercise some restraint and just ignore it instead of getting all bothered. I am a heterosexual and quite comfortable in my heterosexuality. I see a lot of infantile crap being spewed here that serves no purpose other than to bring more debate about the subject and probably further it, in the end. How does a person bring a homosexual to Christ by calling them degrading names?

"A pox on me and mine"? What's up with that? Just because I excercised my First Amendment right on a message board? That, my friend, is basically a curse thrown at me and my family. Are you a Christian? If you are, do you think that is behavior that Jesus would approve of? I could give you my opinion that you are one sorry POS for saying such a thing with no provocation whatsoever, especially since I singaled out nobody with my comments. I won't do that though as it would be almost as childish as the "[bleep]" comments that you've engaged in.

"Hope Willie saves you a turd to smoke in hell. Because that's where you are a goin, and rightly so."

No sonny, my name is written in the book of life and I am headed for Heaven when I die. Once again, do you think your own behavior in wishing such a thing is very Christian?

On the rest of your post, it's pretty much just jibberish and not worth responding to. Glad I saw this so I can now ID you as a flamer and unworthy of a response.

One more thing 280don...For no more than I've said here, this is one of the most hateful things I've ever seen on a message board. I recognize your right to your opinion, but where do you get off throwing out a curse because of it AND what in the world would you bring my family into it for? IMO you need to re-examine your values. Obviously you harbor some sort of belief in God and an afterlife, but evidently you don't believe that your own behavior is sinful. In the USA you have every right to such beliefs, but they are at odds with the Bible.

I don't go around calling every effeminate-looking man I see a "[bleep]". As an American, it is none of my business as, if it is against the law in a particular community, it is almost certain that the law isn't enforced (assuming the person is even gay). If I am talking with a person and my opinion is elicited on the subject, I will readily give it that homosexuality is wrong and an abomination to God. I don't hate the person for being homosexual, I hate the sin of their homosexuality. The good news is that they can be forgiven and go to Heaven when they die, simply by accepting the fact that Jesus is God and died for their sins. They themselves need do nothing for Jesus did it all for them. This is my belief and I can accept the fact that it may not be your own. I will say however, that this is probably the orthodox Calvinist viewpoint on the subject (roughly dividing Christianity into the two camps of Calvinism and Armenism, just for the sake of this point).

Certainly wishing harm to befall others, especially their family, isn't Biblical.

Ethan Edwards,

Both of your responses showed a lot of class.

When I hear people saying that this person or that person is going to hell for this or that, I usually wonder if that person sitting in the judgement seat has read much of the New Testament.

I also appreciate your well thought out response, as I was considering a response that neither I nor my saviour Jesus, would have been proud of. Your response reminded me how to behave.

I like Willie Nelson a lot! I don't agree with all he says or does. I can't think of anyone that I agree with all of the time.

Tending to the needs of injured soldiers seems like a cause that everyone in this country could support.

[bleep]

So Don how do you really feel???? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

You need to quit sugar coating things all the time!!

Thanks [bleep]. I do things all the time that I'm sure my Saviour doesn't approve of. It just struck me as a great thing that Willie was doing for the troops. I also salute his own service to our great country.

I'll say one more thing for old Willie...He made some westerns when nobody else was making any. They weren't entirely ones that I'd have made, but they were entertaining even if not The Searchers or The Outlaw Josey Wales. Barbarosa and The Red Headed Stranger are pretty good when you're starved for a new western. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Yeah, I know! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> It's just that I grew up in the 50s when this was a GREAT nation of people who had morals and true
patriotism. I once loved this country so much, I foolishly
enlisted into military service so as to preserve our american
lifestyle. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Look at this illegal immigrant infested, PC run [bleep] now!
And by the time we get done selling it off, there won't be an
America as I knew it. Hell, who am I kidding. My america is
gone now! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Talk about reprobate. The Vermont judge who sentenced
a child rapist to probation because he wouldn't get the
"therapy" he needed in jail? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> He should have gotten
his therapy with a lethal injection! Right after he repented,
of course! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

With over 60+ years of watching my beloved country slide
downhill, I've become cynical and bitter. This I freely admit.
But who is the blame for this? The people! The same ones
who think everything is just fine. That's 94% of the population.

I cry at night. Literal tears for those serving well, but serving
in vain, in Iraq. I cry for my 19 year old uncle who died on
Iwo Jima for nothing, earning a silver star, two bronze stars
and a whole shabang of lesser medals. As well as being recommended for the Medal of Honor. I miss two of my
schoolboy friends who lie somewhere in Viet Nam, having died
in vain, and missing their whole life as a result. Although sometimes I feel they are better off? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

Yes, Mr. Edwards, I'm a bitter old man. And I blame 94%
of the people in this country for the sorry state my beloved country is in. I salute the young people who can clearly see
what's going on, like Shaun Ryan. I hope the lad never gives up. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> People like him are very few and far between. A
commodity this nation does not deserve! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

As for me, I have given up hope. For the biblically inclined,
look up "hope deferred" in your concordance. You might
want to look up "effeminate" too, since you brought it up.
You say you are a christian? Then pray for me, sir. The
good book says that because iniquity shall abound the love of many shall wax cold. This is a truism, as my love for my fellow man is as cold as it gets at this present time!

As I look around this once great land, I cannot help but see
the american churches and the people within. This makes me
more nauseous than anything else! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Pharisees, Sadducees
and Hypocrites!)

The muslims have two things correct.

1. The american people are soft, and uprepared to
finish a war on terror. We will lose, although we
will put a face-saving spin on things.


2. They believe we are a nation of self-righteous infidels.
Perhaps we are the great satan after all?



I'll leave with one last thought. (Before the flaming begins)

What do you think we could accomplish if we had the basic
belief in what we are doing, and demonstrated that belif in action as well as our enemies have done?

Until we suck it up, and are prepared to call a spade a spade,
then act with courage and resolve, we will continue our path
towards becoming a third world nation! A nation thriving
with spiritual voo doo and misguided self-righteousness!
A nation of people doing what is right in their own eyes! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

In a nutshell. Willie is a dope-smokin, drunk, homosexual. A true disgrace to all Texans.

Careful, Todd. That's not politically correct. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Simple to say, though, once you figure it out! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

280don you nailed it. It is popular to look patriotic and entertain the troops right now. Good for record sales. I wonder how many anti war rallies good old Willie attended in the Nam era. He's a dope smoking so and so and only he knows what he really believes in. What he says doesnt mean much or tell you anything about him. Of course that goes for most people in the entertainment business as well.

280don...

Whatever. Nice rant to conceal the fact that you just flamed somebody who never said a cross word to you personally AND threw his family into the mix also. Not only flamed them but cursed them all! I see nothing in your post which is apologetic nor do I see anything taking back the terrible things you said. If you had a grain of decency, you would have simply left off the rant and apologized for having overstepped yourself.

You make a lot of good points about the state of America today, but what does it have to do with the things you said to me? Although I don't agree with much of what is going on in America right now INCLUDING a heightened, radical homosexual agenda, I do not respond to it by allowing my love to "wax cold" nor do I hate my fellow countrymen. I would NEVER in a million years call the country my kinsmen paid for in blood "a [bleep]". It is just not in me to do so. I have too much respect for it. I condemn the politicians who, while passing laws to make things more difficult for honest US citizens, do nothing of substance to protect our borders from terrorists, illegal immigrants and narcotics traffickers.

I say again, there is precious little of Willie's public politics that I agree with. I WILL say though, that I still applaud his gestures both to America's troops and her farmers. I don't think for a second that he's trying to boost record sales. Somebody who has, for his whole life, made odd choices which were not PC themselves, and which were, in many, if not most, cases self-destructive, doesn't suddenly just start doing things to feather his financial nest. Good or bad, Willie is Willie and this time, he has done the right thing and is contributing to the effort against those who would kill us, by entertaining our fine troops.

Certainly I will pray for you. You need to get your head read though. You remind me of somebody who shoots five innocent bystanders in order to kill a guy who is running away after having stolen a loaf of bread to feed his family.

We are not the "Great Satan" in this country. We are the last bastion of freedom in a dying world. Flawed? No doubt. We are still the greatest nation in the world.

I am with 280Don on this.

The UCMJ has NOT been changed. Sodomy is not an alternate lifestyle choice, it is defined as a CRIME. And rightly so.

I am a vet the son of a vet the son of a vet going back to pre revolutionary times.

Screw Willie Nelson and his [bleep] music. He ain't no God-fearin American. He spits on the Declaration of Independence. If I had been in the audience I would have done my flat level best to spit on that [bleep]-song-singer.

Oh well.

...Old Willie did make an astounding 'wise' crack on CNN the other day in an interview. The female interviewer ask Willie if he'd seen brokeback Mt. movie,he resonded he had since he'd a song in it's score. She ask what he thought of it. Willie said those two fellows didn't interest him much,but he had his eye on a couple of the sheep..Willie is really a classy guy alright.

Who cares about Willie Nelson?

The steelhead are in the rivers...................

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> but true.

OK Mr. Edwards. I'm sorry for disparaging you and yours.
Please forgive me? Sometimes I am overly passionate.
Now before you completely misunderstand what I am saying,
I must ask you view a dictionary concerning a pox. My
use of the term comes from Dueteronomy chapter 28. And
I assure your, sir, I have both the spiritual authority and
ability to place such a pox on a household or individual for
the purpose illustration. If you do not understand what I
have just said, just write me off as a nut job. Many do!

I don't agree with much of what you say. I thief is a thief regardless of his excuse. And we probably differ on whether or not the bystanders were innocent?

Bastion of freedom? How can we export something we no
longer have here? No, we are not the greatest nation in the world. We simply have the most food!

Now concerning the constitution. Free men decide their
own fate and allegiances. Abraham Lincoln made slaves
of all southerners who did not wish to ally themselves
with the policies of the north, did he not? Where does this document deny any state the right to secede from this nation?
Free men choose. The rest are coerced by force!

A government OF the people, BY the people, and FOR the people. I'm afraid the people are guilty as well. Look around you sir, are you proud of what your kinsmen have died for?
Well, I certainly am not!

Greedy, lazy, self-serving americans have had their votes bought and paid for via "programs" and "hand outs". It is this constantly expecting something for nothing that has KILLED the country I once loved. Please forgive me if I don't care if this one survives or not!

Even those who try and pass for americans on the campfire here, believing they are conservatives, will automatically
talk about "aid programs" when discussing college for their kids. And if push came to shove, I'll bet more than a few believe in some type of gun control! The RIGHT to self defense is inalienable! Period!

Sorry sir, those of us who have the ability to be self-sustaining
are quite tired of subsidizing those who are too lazy to take care of themselves.

Unchristlike you say? "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the
faith , and is WORSE THAN AN INFIDEL." We have quite a few of those , don't we?

"For even when we were with you, this we commanded you,
that if any would not work, NEITHER SHOULD HE EAT."
We have quite a few of these too, don't we?

The constitution and preamble I read as a youth declared
that all our rights were given by God and were inalienable.
How does our new concept, which has been changed into government granting us priveledges and rights, allow us to
call ourselves a "bastion" of freedom?

Americans, as a whole, have sold their birthright for a morsel
of bread and their souls for 30 pieces of silver. We, sir, are in bondage and too ignorant to see that fact! And better men than I, have said that if we sell our freedom for a small bit
of safety, we do not deserve to be free. With this I wholeheartedly agree!

I think there are two movies that depict what we have become quite accurately. I suggest you view them, if you have the intestinal fortitude.

1. Training Day with Denzel Washington. Accurately depicts
policemen and politicians, and how they interact with criminals
in the drug trade, etc.

2. Arlington Road with Jeff Bridges. Accurately shows how
government will tell you anything necessary to make you feel safe, and how the gullable believe it out of too much fear to
do otherwise.

Pillar of righteousness? Apparently you judge the fruits of your fellow americans by different standards than do I?

"Know this also, that in the last days perilous times shall
come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous.
boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy. Without natural affection, trucebreakers,
false accusers, incontenent, fierce, despisers of those that are good. Traitors heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God."

"Ever learning, and NEVER able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

This is what I see in america. Perhaps you view americans
through a different glass darkly? Read a newspaper lately?

And yes, just like Nineveh, america can repent. Although
I personally believe it will be rather difficult since our nation is
working overtime to prevent His presence in all our institutions! Have you noticed the appeasement of muslims
and the disparagement of Christians in general?

"You have made my Father's house a den of thieves!"
History, sir, does indeed repeat itself! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Hey
There is such high emotion and drama here. I really can give a rats rear end what Willy does or think. I believe he will end up like the Dixie sheets ( chicks ) who cares when the steelhead are running

Bearbeater

You still don't get it. Do you think you are the only one who is aware of these things? All this earth will pass away. Jesus has already won the war for you. I am not saying that one should just give the barbarian hoards this great land of ours, but when we lose sight of that which Jesus promises us, we are backsliding in our faith. In the end, none of this matters as long as we are saved. To say that the direction our nation is headed troubles me would be a gross understatement. As Shootist's tagline says though, "I press on...".

There are many sins. Jesus came to save us from them. He said that the greatest commandment was to love God. The second greatest is to love others as you love yourself. You have already admitted to failing to do the second. How can you yourself so vehemently condemn others, when you are failing the second most important thing commanded by your Lord?

I try to keep my own house in order and do what I can about the rest of my family and friends, my community, state and country. I already made it clear that I don't agree with letting more of the enemy and also more of those who are parasites into this country. It is easy to assume that I don't agree with appeasement of Muslims either. That's not what this thread was about. It was about one admittedly deeply flawed individual doing the right thing and entertaining our soldiers. You may not agree with the war they are waging, but most of them are honorable people and I support them wholeheartedly.

Your venom towards your country and countrymen does absolutely no good. You say this isn't the best country. While it isn't what it once was, it is still the best. Name one better and then move there if you won't take my word for it.

Most people are so tired of being overtaxed by their government that they jump at the chance to get some back. Where I live, there are very few true parasites. Most people work and many of them work hard. I don't agree with many of the laws in this country, but if you don't take advantage of the ones which you can, without corrupting your own morality, then you are simply weakening your own financial position and cheating your offspring out of their inheritance.

This country has never been as free as its claims, but again, there is none freer. If there is, go there.

My Dad and many of my Uncles served in WWII. They killed a passel of Japs and got some justice for the terrorist act of Pearl Harbor. My cousin was a decorated Green Beret in Vietnam. He came home and I remember his staring off into space in his own little world VERY well. He was a POW and came home when the war's end freed him. As I said before, I have had relatives in every major conflict this country has been in going back to the first one. My people also fought AGAINST the USA, for the CSA, which I am proud of, as they fought for FREEDOM, as espoused by the intent of the founding fathers and not the perversion of the hypocrites who invaded our fair south and turned it into a Northern Industrial Colony, which it remains to this day. Afterwards, my people went west, away from the wastelands. One of Sherman's terrorists killed my Great, Great Uncle's bulldog. I had at least a dozen of my ancestors who fought against the invaders and none were on the Yankee side. At least one left home and was never seen again...alive. So you couldn't be more wrong about me. None of this has to do with an entertainer who sings to our troops...

As for your assertion that a thief is a thief...what you are saying is that Kenny Lay is on a par with a guy who, having lost his job shoplifts a loaf of bread for his family? I'm not into relative morality, but I just don't see it. Some sins are greater than others.

Which brings me to the moral of my story...I do what I can to slow the slide of my country-starting with myself and those whom I am bound to protect and ending with my country as a whole. I do it realizing that it isn't much and that things are getting worse. I give my opinion on it when it is right to do so also. Within all this, I try to keep my attitude positive-because this is what I feel God wants me and any other Christian to do. I sleep well at night knowing that I've done what I can and if it wasn't my best, then I'm forgiven for it.

Forgiveness? You already had it before you asked because that is what my Lord desires from me. One thing I don't do is wish bad things to happen to people on a stupid internet message board-even if they disagree with me about Willie Nelson. I don't even do that to radical Muslims. I may have to kill them if they are after me or my country, but I'll do it cleanly and for the reason that they were trying to take away my life or that of those I love, or more slowly, trying to enslave us to their own way of thinking and living-which is the same as death.

Bonzi, amen.

Bro Willie's time has come and gone, long gone, and he's now, concert wise, shooting cripples. He was good, in his time.

I wish him well and thank him for the memories. Gu'd'bye Willie.

And so it is for each of us?

Old Toot

Ethan!!!!!!!!!!!!, are you through? Take a break, my man. You wanna meet and have a beer or 2? Got a knuckle for ya. Can't match your killin incestors but we've always done 'allrat'.

Suthr'n boy here of Z. Taylor lineage.

Old Toot

OT, I always have time for a fellow Southerner.

Dixie Forever

You are right Toot. Time to end this silly thread. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I really enjoyed this thread. Found myself estranged by the early judgement comments. Its the evangelist in me. SADLY, Laughed outloud to the gay bashing. By the end of the read I'm quite convinced that we all need to do better in regard to what the word is suppose to do in our lives. If you can, pick up the movie " War to end all wars.," There is alot we can be doing to improve this country and it starts with yourself. I think it is a fact that suffering exists in life. I'm betting it is what keeps our souls fertile soil for the word of God. This movie depicts the impact that word can have. I really think both 280 don and Edwards will approve. Enjoyed learning from both of you.