Took full advantage of loophole for real estate developers to report negative income---something he now criticizes others for doing. Hypocrit?

"The last time Donald Trump’s income-tax returns were made public, the bottom line was striking: He had paid the federal government $0 in income taxes.


The disclosure, in a 1981 report by New Jersey gambling regulators, revealed that the wealthy Manhattan investor had for at least two years in the late 1970s taken advantage of a tax-code provision popular with developers that allowed him to report negative income.

Today, as the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, Trump regularly denounces corporate executives for using loopholes and “false deductions to “get away with murder” when it comes to avoiding taxes.

“They make a fortune. They pay no tax,” Trump said last year on CBS. “It’s ridiculous, okay?”


The contrast highlights a potentially awkward challenge for Trump.

He has built a political identity around his reputation as a financial whiz, even bragging about his ability to game the tax code to pay as little as possible to the government — a practice he has called the “American way.” Moreover, he has aggressively pursued tax breaks and other government supports to bolster his real estate empire. But that history threatens to collide with his efforts to woo working-class voters who resent that they often pay higher tax rates than the wealthy who benefit from special loopholes.

Trump’s personal taxes are a mystery. He has refused to release any recent returns, meaning the public cannot see how much money he makes, how much he gives to charity and how aggressively he uses deductions, shelters and other tactics to shrink his tax bill.

Trump, who said last week on ABC that his tax rate is “none of your business,” would be the first major party nominee in 40 years to not release his returns.

In an interview this week, Trump said that he has paid “substantial” taxes but declined to provide specifics.

He reiterated that he fights “very hard to pay as little tax as possible.”

“One of the reasons is because the government takes your money and wastes it in the Middle East and all over the place,” he said.

Trump’s contradictory approaches have been apparent for years.

He criticized the 2012 Republican nominee, Mitt Romney, for delaying the release of his returns. Romney, a former private-equity executive, had come under fire for paying a low tax rate because most of his income came from investments.

“It’s a great thing when you can show that you’ve been successful, and that you’ve made a lot of money,” Trump said at the time.

Romney eventually released returns showing that, for his 2011 taxes, he chose not to take certain deductions, bringing his tax rate more in line with that of average Americans.

Trump, early in his campaign, seemed ready to give voters a look at his tax filings.

In January, he said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that he was ready to disclose his “very big . . . very beautiful” returns.

But as his campaign gained momentum, Trump backed away from his promise. He first claimed that ongoing audits by the Internal Revenue Service prevent disclosure.

Then last week, he told the Associated Press that voters are not interested in seeing his tax filings and that “there’s nothing to learn from them.”

Trump’s new position has unnerved some tax experts, who see value in the tradition of transparency by presidential contenders.

“At some point, he could be the tax-collector-in-chief. He’d supervise the IRS, making sure all of us live up to our own tax responsibilities,” said Joe Thorndike, a director at Tax Analysts, a nonpartisan, nonprofit group that specializes in tax policy. “People deserve to know . . . how a person like that plays the game.”

Trump’s stance has become an issue in the campaign.

Romney said on Facebook last week that refusing to release the returns should be “disqualifying” for any nominee and speculated that Trump’s returns could be hiding a “bombshell of unusual size.”

Trump’s likely Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, who has disclosed decades of tax returns, released a 60-second ad last week asking, “What’s Donald Trump hiding?”

“You’ve got to ask yourself: ‘Why doesn’t he want to release it?’ ” Clinton said at a New Jersey rally last week. “Yeah, well, we’re gonna find out.”

Bob McIntyre of the liberal group Citizens for Tax Justice suspects Trump’s tax returns, if made public, would undermine the political image the candidate has crafted of a brilliant businessman with what his campaign has called “tremendous cash flow.”

Trump may be worried that “he’d show very little income on his tax returns compared to his wealth claims,” McIntyre said, adding that Trump’s returns could also show that he “writes off everything he has in his life — the hairdo, the plane — as business expenses.”

Trump has repeatedly said that he would be open to sharing his returns. In 2011, he said he would release them after Barack Obama released his long-form birth certificate but never did after the certificate’s release. In 2014, he said he would “absolutely” release them “if I decide to run for office.” Last year, he said he would release them when “we find out the true story on Hillary’s emails.”

To back his refusal, Trump has released a letter from his tax lawyers that said his tax returns had been audited by the IRS since 2002, and that audits on the returns since 2009 were still underway.

The lawyers’ letter also said returns from 2002 to 2008 had been closed administratively by the IRS, meaning their audits had been completed. Trump said in an interview he would still not release those returns because “they’re all linked.”

But experts say that Trump is free to release his tax records. President Richard Nixon released his returns while under audit. Nothing, including an audit, “prevents individuals from sharing their own tax information,” an IRS spokesman said.

The only window into Trump’s handling of his income taxes came during the 1981 New Jersey report after Trump’s application for a casino license.

State records show that Trump claimed that his combined income in 1978 and 1979 was negative $3.8 million, allowing him to pay no taxes. A few years earlier, he had told the New York Times he was worth more than $200 million.

Tax analysts say it is possible that Trump pays very low income taxes, or no taxes at all, using tactics available to wealthy investors and developers, such as depreciating the value of real estate.

When asked this week whether he pays income taxes, Trump said, “I will give that to you as soon as I get my audit finished.” He added later, “But with that being said, when you’re in the real estate business, you do have certain tax advantages.”

Trump has benefited from public money by aggressively seeking large tax reductions at developments including Trump Tower.

His first major development, the Grand Hyatt Hotel in midtown Manhattan built in partnership with Chicago’s wealthy Pritzker family, was made possible with the help of a New York City tax subsidy worth $400 million over 40 years, according to city records.

It was New York’s first-ever tax abatement for a commercial property, secured by Trump with help from his developer father’s political allies, according to “Trump: The Deals and the Downfall,” a biography on Trump’s developments by investigative reporter Wayne Barrett.

Trump has defended his use of public tax assistance to boost private projects. He said opponents of such government supports, including some conservatives, are out of touch with reality.

“The true conservative philosophy is that a thing like that shouldn’t happen. But they’re in the world of the make-believe,” Trump said in an interview. “The real world is that without certain tax abatements, you have a choice. The job could get built . . . or you don’t have to have anything. It could just go stagnant, and a town can die.”

Trump’s strategy to ease his company’s tax burden has resulted in sore feelings in some communities, where local governments rely heavily on tax receipts from large businesses.

In Ossining, N.Y., home to a Trump National Golf Club, town officials say that a tax break being sought by the company would cost their coffers more than $200,000 a year.

In seeking the reduction, Trump’s lawyers have claimed that the club is worth far less than the roughly $15 million value assessed by the city.

Trump’s lawyers have filed papers with the state claiming that the “full market value” of the property is $1.4 million. The same golf course appears on Trump’s new financial disclosure form released this week as part of his presidential campaign — valued by him at more than $50 million.

Trump lawyer Alan Garten did not respond to questions about the discrepancy.

Ossining Town Supervisor Dana Levenberg, a Democrat, expressed frustration that Trump seemed to be gaining “at other people’s loss.”

“It’s hard to look at someone who talks about their wealth frequently and think they got that successful on other people’s backs,” she said.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump%e2%80%99s-income-tax-returns-once-became-public-they-showed-he-didn%e2%80%99t-pay-a-cent/ar-BBthwNf?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=SK2BDHP

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump%e2%80%99s-income-tax-returns-once-became-public-they-showed-he-didn%e2%80%99t-pay-a-cent/ar-BBthwNf?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=SK2BDHP

so , so have i when i could, not our fault you're to dumb to figure it out.

He probably sent the majority of his income to charity. He seems like a charitable guy.

Anybody that works hard for their money and has any brains tries to pay as little taxes as possible. The Clinton's don't mind paying taxes, since all their wealth came from taxpayers in the first place. Save the Second Amendment and vote Trump ! Do not listen to the leftist barrage of BS you will hear for the next 6 months.

Thats the kind of guy I want fighting for me. The guy that works to benefit who he is working for at the time.

Smart man.

I'd do it too if I could. I pay out the ying yang so that they can waste it on BS.

Build the wall, let's make it 10 feet taller! Deport liberals like RodhamJordan!

Well that just gave him a boost in the polls!!!! Just shut the fugg up, everyone is tired of your chit!!!



Take care, Willie

Sounds like someone smart enough to hire some damned good accountants and keep his earned income.

Last time I checked, that was supposedly the goal of a conservative businessman.

Let anyone who wouldn't do this cast the first stone. My falult, "RobmeJordan" just did!

Newsflash!!! Billionaire follows law. Keeps money that is his!!!

If Trump paid zero taxes it's because he had negative income that year.

What's it to you?

In other news, I took a 12 inch dump today.

There's nothing wrong with minimizing your taxes as long as you do it legally.

Good for him. Wish I could figure out how to get away from paying taxes. I use every LEGAL loophole I can, and I don't blame him for doing it too.

Right on. Since Trump didn't invent the tax code, I say more power to him.

Poor Rob........

Jordache,

You are a Grade-A dumb fugk.




Dave

The more chit you post!!! The better you make Trump look...Keep up the good work. He is just the kind of guy we need running this country.

Loves me some loopholes, I do.

The forum's white noise.

Sounds like a very smart business man to me. Probably make a great president. Just think of all the money Trump could save our country that is constantly overspending rather than underspending as Trump has shown he prefers to do.

After reading this article there now is zero question left in my mind I will vote Trump.


Great article, Thanks!!!







Shod

I would be very disappointed to find out Trump paid income tax.

One thing is for certain, and that is you whine like a little baby every single day about our next President. Go vote for Clinton, it will make you feel mucho better.

loopholes = Incentives built into laws that irritate the broke and the jealous.

Hillary appreciates your support.

I'll be voting for Trump. That article is great news v

Good for him.

Rob, seriously you need to stop. Trump was not my first choice but he is now. Hes our guy and its time to back him. As bad as you think he might be, Clinton will be FAR worse. Get behind him and stop posting dumb crap like this. This helps no one but the other side unless thats what you want.

Rob has jumped on the Trump train, he is now posting articles to help Big Don.

Good For You Rob.

Good for Trump, he decides how much of his money the Government gets.

You ain't no lawyer.

I know her and gladly paid her taxes last year

Not fair Bob.....nobody said he was a good lawyer.

Huh? I could be wrong but I thought Rob posted this because it supports and is a testament to Trumps wisdom. I mean, would you rather be a stupid f:cker getting played or the smart one doing the playing.

I'd not care to vote for the stupid f"cker that likes to get played. It's articles like this that truely attest to Trumps brilliance and is the backbone of where Trump support is coming from IMHO.

No more being played by China, no more being played by Mexico, no more being played period.





Shod

Good for him.
I wish I could have paid zero taxes at sometime!

thats how the game is played. good for him

Pay CPAs a fortune to pay no taxes. That's what makes it O.K. Kinda like a fraternity or gang.

There is always an idiot fingering someone who doesn't pay taxes as if they are some evildoer.

There is this thing called the tax code at the bottom of it all...and it gets changed all the time...

Those CPAs are, for Trump, a business expense.

Hint.

Donald Trump did not WRITE the tax code, he merely took advantage of what Congress wrote and the President approved.

If you play by the rules and are profitable you're allowed to reinvest the profits so as to grow the business rather than pay it as taxes, thereby employing more people.

If all profits were taxed and no reinvestment allowed there would be "0" incentive to own a business and be successful.

It seems obvious to me, am I missing something?

Buzz off. Get a life.

Not only is Trump extremely charitable, including non deductible donations, he's also smart enough to know and follow the tax laws. Another benefit of a Trump presidency.

Exactly! How anyone could twist that into something negative is beyond reason.

so what? the irs is corrupt. if you had a chance to pay zero taxes, wouldn't you? i sure as hell would. when the govt can use my money in a responsible manner, then i will gladly pay my fair share. until then, i would try to get away with whatever i could under the law.

Thats why donald wants to raise taxes on the rich. The left must be correct that the rich don't pay their fair share. Hillary will thump him on this.

I doubt that.Mrs Money Laundering Charitable Foundation probably does not want to talk taxes.

Kudos to Trump for using tax law to his advantage. I beth he used the savings to invest elsewhere too.
RJ is becoming about as pathetic as ............well some others.

Rob - Go F uck yourself!

And Trump is the only rich person who ever used the tax laws to his advantage--- right?

Only once?

Shocked.

Loopholes!?!?!? Sounds nefarious, underhanded, sneaky or less than open and honest.


They are NOT tax 'loopholes'. It is LAW!

Don't like it? Change the LAW.

Good for Trump
No taxes and his wife is an intelligent multi lingual hot piece of arse

God bless him

Good on him, I will look at mine closer!

And he classically vanishes...

He's a total DB, a lying sack of sh*t. Looks like the NRA endorsed him today. Just one more reason to quit the NRA and vote straight Democrat.

Only once?

I'm disappointed in Trump!

Well then, get the fuuck out of here you piece of dog SCHIT. You won't be missed



Shod

Apparently, shelling out max brackets is a badge of honor for CA .gov b-crats?

Lolol. Just a couple months ago you were smugly dismissive of Trump but now that he's a tour de force and will easily beat crooked Hilary you're not laughing. Tff

I have not done my taxes since 2009 when I went "abroad" whereby the company had Deloitte handle them. To this day I have not a clue if all was proper and benefited me vs. the company as for many years I filed in three or more countries as I am today. My take is that I reaped pretty well during said period.

FMD the Trumpeteers are going off today !!

fact is Taxes build communities ....

those warships and aeroplanes keepin you all safe dont come from thin air.

Trump is dishonest and no patriot whose happy to see the average worker carry the burden.

Gee Shood did ya get ya dik caught in a grinder or something, lay off the angry Pills buddy no need to be such an offensive kh unt !

Good for trump

Good for trump

In Utah, you voting straight D is essentially useless, which you already know. You're politically emasculated in that state, and you and your kind are losing ground nationally.

Go back to molesting your patients, Doc. It's really all you have left.

Taxes don't build communities. People build communities. That difference is the baseline between a .gov-teat sucker like yourself, and what has made America great (people building their dreams, their lives, and their communities).

Taxes do not build communities. People build communities. Although there may have been a year when Donald did not pay any Federal Income Tax, that is not the same as "not paying any taxes". He holds large stakes in, and controlling interests in, many corporations, all of which pay various forms of taxes, from payroll taxes, property taxes, local and federal income taxes, and pay the salaries of people who also pay taxes on those salaries.

Don't let your class warfare obscure your vision of the complete picture.

You and Piddles should get together for a love in, you fit well together.

Yea, but what bathroom should they do it in?

Did numb nuts say anything? Go away lib.

That makes me grin! Anybody that can beat the schitt outa the IRS is just fine by me!!

Hope he does it again!!

I've had Paddler on Ignore so long I thought he'd turned to dust by now!!

My wife's uncle has about ten kids, works very infrequently, his wife helps to pay bills with bingo winnings, we all subsidize their 'grocery' bill....and probably their tobacco habits as well. And they get nice tax refunds. And it's all legal since it's written in the tax code.

I think we should all applaud the wisdom shown by folks who minimize their taxes. I just wish it didn't require a tax attorney to figure out the best legal ways to cheat the rest of you suckers who have to foot the bills!

Lots of millionairs don't pay taxes. They pay Accountants big money to find the loop holes they pay their Representatives to create.

So....I too did not pay taxes for 2 years. All a fella has to do is spend some time in the Zone and it's a tax holiday. Even the common folk can do it.

F'nA

So, this proves Trump is smart. Right?

It would be STUPID to pay tax if the LAW says you don't have to. Right?

I want to have a president who is smart, not stupid. That is why I almost never can vote for a democrat for president or anything else.

It can't be "one more." I haven't seen the first one yet.

Not a good comparison, One works for his money and the other is a loser that doesn't work.

When doing comparisons try to use equal examples.

Bingo winnings.

That's funny. So she can't do math. Bingo like the lottery is a voluntary tax on the stupid.

Pecker Paddler wrote that sheit on the bathroom wall at Target.

BREAKING NEWS: Trump breathed air last year.

Than means we all should vote for Hillary.

Well hell yes!!

She's probably paying her "bingo tax" with your money or mine. Now look who's stupid!




Lots of people work harder than Trump and make less, yet are required to pay more tax. I suppose they are 'losers' as well?

The 'common folks' on whose shoulders Trump has been propelled are the same ones who are tired of those who game the system one way or another.

Justifying the hypocrisy we supposedly disdain is pretty lame IMO. We are better than the stereotypes the liberals try to paint us with. That doesn't mean we have to become them anyway. Recognizing the faults in "he who sucks far less" in no way means that we need to fall off the wagon and "Bern for Hill" either.

Lawby Jeebus. Did anyone notice the reverb on those puppies? Assuming 55 beats per minute, I'm guessing 4363.64 milliseconds.

4ager you sound delusional, so who pays for those shiny new aircraft and warships ?

seriously you're dumber than dog sheit

never taken a cent of welfare and a crack pipe ? is that all ya got [bleep] ?? please bitch get back in ya box kh unt

Paddler--- "vote Democrat"-- as if you ever voted any other way

Jobs build communities. How many people do Trumps corporations employ?
Maybe if you get off welfare you would understand. (What's that salutation you always use?) You offensive KH UNT!

I bet when you were a little kid your mom dabbed your dick off when you were done pissing.Yabber dabber do.

I avoided taxes when I was 6 years old!


Jim

I just came here to read the comments about Rob Jordan. That's pretty good Saturday evening entertainment.

As bad as you think Jordan is. I've spent the last few hours arguing with dumber folks who actually believe the US was founded as a socialist nation because we have a military, roads and police forces...and those are socialist programs

Rich people are all evils and we do not need corporations to be productive nation

He is worried about Trump not paying income tax for one year. How about the tens of millions in social security and Medicare employer matching contributions that he paid over the years for his employees. I'm sure it's a lot more that Ted or Hillary ever coughed up.

The entire point of the OP was to highlight the hypocrisy of Trump demanding to raise taxes on the wealthy (a Democrat/Leftist shibboleth if ever there was one) while he himself often paid "zero" income taxes. If the super-wealthy are so all-fired willing to pay higher taxes (they already pay too much, actually) then why was this super-wealthy guy (Trump) paying zero taxes??

The point was to highlight Trump's hypocrisy in demanding higher taxes for the wealthy. That's a Democrat talking, plain and simple.

The actual point is that RobJordan, Paddler, and Stevil are all on the same page.

Scared.

Backroads, are you retarded? Apparently.

I'm ecstatic Trump got away with paying no taxes. Wish I could pull it off. That's not my point. My point is if you're going to run as a Republican (as opposed to, say, a RINO) stop spouting Democrat shibboleths (such as the wealthy don't pay enough taxes). It's a theme I've been sounding since day one. Trump is more Democrat than Republican, hence his demand for an even more progressive tax code.

It's easy, don't turn a profit. Iam sure there were some years his business ran at a loss or broke even.

Obama and Hillary are total DBs, lying sacks of poop.

He paid zero taxes because those are the rules we've established.

Trump paid zero taxes one year, than says the tax system is broken and needs to be fixed so that doesn't happen in the future.

How's that being a hypocrite?

According to the article this occurred in 1981, after some very bad years under Carter that could have generated significant losses carried forward.

Most of the Trump threads are good entertainment.

The only folk that agree with you are Paddler and Stevil.

Congratulations?

False. Paddler agrees with the premise that Trump should have paid at least some taxes---preferably a lot more. That's not my premise at all. My entire point in posting the article is that Trump, like Paddler, for example, believes in higher taxes on the wealthy. Higher taxes for rich people is a shibboleth of liberal, Democrat politics, not conservativism. But Trump is a RINO at best (at worst, he's a Democrat masquerading as a Republican). The other point is that Trump is somewhat of a hypocrit, but we already knew that.


Jordan

When you employ as many people as he does that's the least this Nation can do for him there should be special tax breaks for those who create jobs in this country. Nice try Hilltard.

Jordan, Trumps position about raising individual income taxes is only one part of his tax plan. You have to take that in concert with the other parts, such as a MAJOR reduction in the Corporate tax rate to 15%. Reducing the tax burden on corporations will free up American industry to produce here at home.

Many don't realize this, but high corporate taxes are
regressive, because the smaller investors (i.e. you with your 401k) are impacted by them as much as Joe Billionaire. By lowering Corporate rates and shifting some of that collection to the higher income individuals through cleaning up the tax code to total burden on the high income individuals can come about about the same, while lowering the burden on the productive corporate capital.

I'm not saying this is the best solution, just that you are ignoring the more important part, and not taking it has a whole.

Go suck Carly's cock, Rodham shill.

Churchill said that the best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. That goes double for you boys. I really thought nobody could be fooled by Trump, as he's obviously guilty of gross terminological inexactitude. That Politifact judges 75% of what Trump spouts is complete BS bothers not the brilliant 'fire members.

You're scared, and you have every right to be.

You have exactly ZERO political influence in UT, and those like you are losing ground nationally every day.

Go back to molesting patients; it's really all you have at this point.

Not at all scared. No reason to be, I can survive and thrive in any political environment.

Trump is a failure in all aspects of his life, multiple bankruptcies, marriages, etc. A know nothing, narcissistic liar. What's amazing to me is to see Republicans line up for him. One must be terribly uniformed and/or truth proof to do that. Pretty sad commentary on the electorate. Our pendulum will swing back and forth over time, I doubt it will swing far enough into crazy to elect Trump.

And the perverted incompetent doctor spews forth more of his ignorance.

Go paddler you P.O.S.

This sums it up nicely for all you stupid people:

http://www.sltrib.com/csp/mediapool/sites/sltrib/Pages/gallery.csp?cid=3924205&pid=3411947

Don't feed this f ucking troll..

Yep, he's just a peter paddlin' pecker puffer

So, that's three of you too-stupid-to-live guys who have chimed in so far. I wonder what the final total will be. Keep it up, put your ignorance, stupidity, bigotry, racism and hatred on full display. Don't hold back, just embrace the Donald.

some of us know where to find you pervert.

I havent read the whole thread, but all I can say from the title is, "Good for him".

The gov. is going to screw you any way it can, so if you can get a little retaliation, go for it.

Besides, he is just using old democrat tricks, developed and used by the Rockefeller's. It is used by lots of the rich people today.

Check this out:

The Rockefellers invented a scheme, used by the super rich today, whereby the more money you appear to give away, the richer and more powerful you become. Through the help of captive politicians, guided by some bright boys in the family law offices, legislation was written and passed which would protect the Rockefellers and other elite super-rich from the repressive taxation they have foisted on everyone else.

I have not read the whole thread but just because you didnt show any income on your tax returns doesnt mean you didnt make a boat load of cash. There are business (large and small), farmers, and other people who show losses and break evens on their tax returns that in all reality make a lot of money. He gamed the system that was their plain and simple dont think Donald Trump is the only one who has ever done this and I guarantee you he will not be the last.

I for one have no problem with this.

ya know, you are frequently in my prayers....

but I gather God hasn't been listening...

That freight train hasn't hit you yet...

At least someone gets it Randy... glad it was you my friend.. but it doesn't surprise me much....one "don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows" do they.

Now THIS was worth the price of admission...............

Dear God:

This is the guy I was talking to you about in my prayers...

Don't you have a freight train or something that can give him an attitude adjustment? A Freightliner would do, if you don't have any trains in this local neighbor...

your humble servant,
The American Public

Unfortunately, Paddler is right. It is indeed a sad commentary of the IQ of the average voter when a RINO like Trump, with all his baggage, secures the Republican nomination.

Peckers' attitude has changed dramatically over the last couple of months. He used to be smugly sarcastic but now that it's looking more and more like a yuge Trump victory his sarcasm has turned bitter.

The little POS, patient molesting Hilary supporter is scared. Scared and powerless over the ass whooping Trump is about to deliver. I wouldn't want to be Jon Middletons female patients over the next 4 months. They're likely to see an increase in the molestation and inappropriate touching as peddlerphile asserts his dominance over his patients.

Rob the chit off my ass, i wipe in the morning has more substance than your opinion.

No he's not right. Neither are you. You chastise low IQ voters and those that disagree with your political leanings. You and others call people narcissistic and are under the false impression that tens of millions of us are being fooled. We aren't being fooled, the GOPe has fooled us for years and this election cycle has highlighted how out of touch the GOPe is. Your attitude and statements highlights your narcissism and hypocrisy. RINO used to be a bad thing but the republican establishment managed to make being a republican an embarrassment. There are unfortunately only 2 party's so if you want to run for president those are your choices. The Republican Party is going to learn to represent the citizens not the other way around. If they don't get onboard they're toast. Which is fine by me.

When I had shoulder surgery I bought a bidet.....it's AWESOME. I call it piddler when it's actively engaged in cleaning my ass....

As we speak, you're being conned by the consummate con artist. this guy was a Demonrat for 10 years as recently as 6 years ago for Chrissakes. He's praised TARP, O-Care, Canadian single-payer health care, the GM auto-bailout and the Stimulus. He's fought conservatives tooth and nail on issue after issue. He can't say enough good about eminent domain. His "knowledge" of "trade" constitutes a complete repudiation of Adam Smith and David Ricardo. In addition to being a draft dodger, serial adulterer and serial bankrupt, he's actually shown very poor business acumen. He is incontrovertibly a narcissist. What is happening is that Republicans have nominated their own Obama (a narcissistic cult leader) but one who has even less grasp on the issues than Obama. I don't think there's been a less informed presidential candidate in modern history than Donald Drumpf (he actually proposed disbanding NATO and allowing ISIS to occupy Syria, so we could then go in and take over the country. ) and the fact is, he's actually farther to the Left than Hillary on numerous issues.

No worries though. He has zero chance of winning, so we'll hand it to the Dems (Hillary no less ) yet again. That's how stupid we, er, you and your ilk, are.


Jordan

You're right about one thing. Being a Republican is embarrassing these days. So easily fooled by the establishment for so long, they who made promises they couldn't keep, like repealing the ACA, etc, now so pissed off you'll settle for somebody like Trump, who's not a Republican, not a conservative but who is a failure by any objective measure, a complete DB, an unrepentant liar with no core beliefs. I pity you, you deserve better. Or maybe not. If you're stupid enough to back Trump, well....

H,mmmm, lets see. I paid no Federal and no State for the past 3 years and will zero out again for this year. At the present, looks like I'll probably owe some Federal next year but may not.

Doesn't necessarily make me 3-4 times smarter than Trump. But he seems to be smart enough.

With that post your true colors are shown, you and Piddles have a good time blowin' each other.

No wonder Cali is such a fuqked up place.

Unfortunately, Paddler is right

Mathematical impossibility.....

I'm sure when Padiddler was potty trained as a kid, his dad stuck his head in the water and then flushed it..... something he must to this day... how else could you explain all the schidt between his ears?

Just passing on a health care tip....When you think of Padiddler cleaning your back side, just remember, you have no idea where that tongue has been, much less his fingers...

and think of a computer, garbage in, garbage out...

with Padiddler, its schidt in, but none out...that's why he's so full of it...

the sad part is i have to go to a AFB next month in california. Which means i have to cross the colorado river. Which presents all kinds of problems crossing the mohave desert.
I really wish those bridges weren't there.
I see cacklefornia all the time here. Like from a facbook page on my home town. Young woman writes in crying she can't pay her rent. she is from california. decides to help out another new arrival, a woman she knows was arrested on theft charges and drugs in california. so she puts this woman on her cellphone plan, and buys her a 400dollar phone.
the woman takes off leaving her holding the bag.
I really do think it's the smog.

Think those two should pack up their KY and go riot at Donald's convention.

Looking forward to replays of Chicago 68' at Clevlnd and Phili. (so old I watched that live on AFTV !)

That will insure Donald's landslide.