SALT LAKE CITY — If Donald Trump becomes the Republican Party's nominee, Utahns would vote for a Democrat for president in November for the first time in more than 50 years, according to a new Deseret News/KSL poll.
"I believe Donald Trump could lose Utah. If you lose Utah as a Republican, there is no hope," said former Utah Gov. Mike Leavitt, a top campaign adviser to the GOP's 2012 nominee, Mitt Romney.
The poll found that may well be true. Utah voters said they would reject Trump, the GOP frontrunner, whether former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton or Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is the Democratic candidate on the general election ballot.
Trump will have to win without the Mormon vote. Utah primary: Cruz 69.2 percent Kasich 16.8 percent Trump 14.0 percent. POLITICO: “Mormonism is a faith that holds up chastity as a virtue and condemns pornography as a soul-rotting vice; Mr. Trump is an unabashed adulterer who has posed for Playboy covers. Mormons draw inspiration from their ancestors’ modest frontier frugality; Mr. Trump travels the world in a tricked-out Boeing 757 with his name stamped conspicuously across the fuselage.”
If non-Mormons could put their religious differences aside and vote for Romney, Mormons should equally be able to vote for Trump based on issues and not on whether he is a member of their cult. And I think enough of them to believe they will.
Donald Trump's brash swagger and outlandish behavior have made him so unpopular in Utah that a new poll shows the state could swing to Hillary Clinton in November, potentially becoming the first time in 52 years that a Democrat has won the Beehive State.
Clinton and Trump are knotted at 35 percent, with five months of campaigning remaining before the election, according to the survey conducted for The Salt Lake Tribune and the Hinckley Institute of Politics at the University of Utah.
I don't think so. Lots of family and friends in Utah, and to a man, they're backing Trump, even those who voted for Obummer previously. Salt Lake is the 3rd queerest city in the U.S. right behind San Francisco and Portland, so polling there will show liberal tendencies, but that doesn't accurately depict Utah overall.
So apparently, Mormons are all squeaky clean, detest pornography, adultery, drinking and are fine with fudge packers...don't make no sense, some at all, I guarantee. ..
So apparently, Mormons are all squeaky clean, detest pornography, adultery, drinking and are fine with fudge packers...don't make no sense, some at all, I guarantee. ..
I was just thinking the same thing? Did not know SLC was so (rainbowish),traveling there in a couple months,good to know.
So apparently, Mormons are all squeaky clean, detest pornography, adultery, drinking and are fine with fudge packers...don't make no sense, some at all, I guarantee. ..
The Great Los Angeles Exodus of '93 brought many LA people up I 15. They drove most of the Mormons out of SLC.
If Hilary wins Utah then it'll be a landslide everywhere else too. I keep hearing AZ is going blue too. I don't buy it, yet, but the day AZ and Utah go blue is the day the Republican Party is buried for good.
So Mormons want to be communist, lose all their freedoms,and turn Utah into a communist state.
My stupid Brother his wife and two out of the three kids he has act like they want it real bad. they fight tooth and nail for the leading Communists in this country. Voted for Clinton and even voted for Bam Bam twice. now geared up to vote for our leading Felon. you cant even talk to them about politics with out arguing. They live in the suburbs of SLC.
Total nonsense. Even though my two Harvard educated liberal cousins live in SLC . . .
Salt Lake City was a blue island in an otherwise red state. Utah is the second most red state in the union behind #1 Oklahoma. Trump will win Utah easily.
So apparently, Mormons are all squeaky clean, detest pornography, adultery, drinking and are fine with fudge packers...don't make no sense, some at all, I guarantee. ..
As in Slick Willy's infamous response to questions about his sexual misconduct with Monica Lewinsky....
Apparently some aren't nearly so 'squeaky clean', as they try to portray publicly.
...For starters, it’s not new for young Mormons to rationalize ways around LDS teachings or statements on sex. See this quote from an online lesson by BYU-Idaho religion professor Lon A. Pyper:
“While I was a graduate student at Brigham Young University, and I understand this continues to be true today, there were some students who had adopted the slogan, ‘Stay moral, go oral.’”
I’ve talked with folks who were students around that time and they’ve verified that the slogan was common, and refuted at at least one fireside on chastity in the HFAC.
I find it fascinating that this seems to have been going on a long time and perhaps is growing more common today. Below is the gist of the situation as I understand it: ■Considering how vague most direction on sex is in the church (what is petting, anyways?), many young Mormons feel the lack of specifics creates a loophole for them to engage in oral or anal sex and still claim before bishops that they’re keeping the law of chastity. Everyone I’ve personally talked to who did this *knew* that it wasn’t a real loophole and that it contradicted the law of chastity, but pushed that aside to keep doing it. ■However there are many stories of people who apparently truly did not consider oral or anal to be “intercourse” and thus felt justified that they weren’t breaking the law of chastity. ■A common theme in many of the stories of people using this logic is that they felt the vagina was supposed to be saved for marriage- because raising children should only be done within the bonds of marriage. Therefore by just engaging in oral or anal, they don’t risk having a baby, and they still save the special hole for marriage. Comedian Larry Wilmore, in his show Race, Religion, and Sex in Utah briefly discusses this, and some anecdotal examples of this can be found here and
■Another way many Mormons try to get around the prohibition on sexual intercourse is through “soaking,” or “floating,” in which the penis goes in the vagina but doesn’t move or thrust, hence the name. The satirical site Beehive Bugle discusses it here. Other anecdotal descriptions can be found here. Discussions of soaking, and the related but more loosely accepted “Levi loving” (rubbing jeans up against each other for stimulation), tend to get a lot of attention as they’re laughed at and mocked for how far they go in trying to skirt prohibitions on sex.
We live in a country that was founded in part because of the need for religious freedom. Yet you wish that a group of Americans had been murdered, because you don't like how their beliefs differ than yours. Let's blame the Mormons for all the problems this country has, you must be a "christian".
We live in a country that was founded in part because of the need for religious freedom. Yet you wish that a group of Americans had been murdered, because you don't like how their beliefs differ than yours. Let's blame the Mormons for all the problems this country has, you must be a "christian".
The Mormons never had problems murdering innocents.
We live in a country that was founded in part because of the need for religious freedom. Yet you wish that a group of Americans had been murdered, because you don't like how their beliefs differ than yours. Let's blame the Mormons for all the problems this country has, you must be a "christian".
The Mormons never had problems murdering innocents.
Whi is talking about Christians? I'm talking about people from Missouri and Mormons. Christians were never mentioned.
Just stating a fact. Ain't a religion out there, save a few tiny sects of Hindu and Buddhism, that lack a problem with killing innocents. It's always been that way, and is a root of most all religions (kill or convert those who aren't "like you").
Whi is talking about Christians? I'm talking about people from Missouri and Mormons. Christians were never mentioned.
Just stating a fact. Ain't a religion out there, save a few tiny sects of Hindu and Buddhism, that lack a problem with killing innocents. It's always been that way, and is a root of most all religions (kill or convert those who aren't "like you").
What does that have to do with Missouri going soft.
Whi is talking about Christians? I'm talking about people from Missouri and Mormons. Christians were never mentioned.
Just stating a fact. Ain't a religion out there, save a few tiny sects of Hindu and Buddhism, that lack a problem with killing innocents. It's always been that way, and is a root of most all religions (kill or convert those who aren't "like you").
What does that have to do with Missouri going soft.
What does Missouri have to do with you tossing stones at a religion other than your own for "killing innocents"?
Whi is talking about Christians? I'm talking about people from Missouri and Mormons. Christians were never mentioned.
Just stating a fact. Ain't a religion out there, save a few tiny sects of Hindu and Buddhism, that lack a problem with killing innocents. It's always been that way, and is a root of most all religions (kill or convert those who aren't "like you").
What does that have to do with Missouri going soft.
What does Missouri have to do with you tossing stones at a religion other than your own for "killing innocents"?
You're not following this discussion very well. Now, back to hating on Missouri for being full of a bunch of half assers back in the day.
Whi is talking about Christians? I'm talking about people from Missouri and Mormons. Christians were never mentioned.
Just stating a fact. Ain't a religion out there, save a few tiny sects of Hindu and Buddhism, that lack a problem with killing innocents. It's always been that way, and is a root of most all religions (kill or convert those who aren't "like you").
What does that have to do with Missouri going soft.
What does Missouri have to do with you tossing stones at a religion other than your own for "killing innocents"?
You're not following this discussion very well. Now, back to hating on Missouri for being full of a bunch of half assers back in the day.
Hating on Christians in Missouri "back in the day" for not slaughtering all the innocent Mormons they could find? Mighty "christian" of you....
Innocent? About as innocent and welcome as a Syrian rapefugee in a German kid's swimming pool.
Those women and children were akin to Syrian rapists?
Odd, too, how you say the Mormons were the guilty parties of unnamed atrocities when of the 22 people killed in the Missouri Mormon war, 21 were Mormon.
Of course, you must have been there and can tell us that the recorded history around the events were completely wrong and that the Christians (the non-Mormon Christians as Mormons, too, are Christian) should have slaughtered roughly 10,000 innocent Mormons - many of the women and children - because you believe it was the "right" thing to do.
Just stating a fact. Ain't a religion out there, save a few tiny sects of Hindu and Buddhism, that lack a problem with killing innocents. It's always been that way, and is a root of most all religions (kill or convert those who aren't "like you").
Just stating a fact. Ain't a religion out there, save a few tiny sects of Hindu and Buddhism, that lack a problem with killing innocents. It's always been that way, and is a root of most all religions (kill or convert those who aren't "like you").
Posted like a true muslim.
You're a retard f'k, that's for sure.
I only have history on my side.
As for ragheads; nuke the SOBs. Clear that up any?
There you go changing the subject again. Keep up. This is about Missouri letting us all down.
No, the subject is the same. You're saying the Missouri Christians "let us all down" by not slaughtering about 10,000 innocent - mostly women and children - Mormons. I'm saying that is very typically "christian" of you, as you're about as far from being Christ-like as that message of yours indicates, though you sure as Hell try to be a "holier than thou" Texarkana Bible-thumping hypocrite any chance you get.
I am not a Mormon but those of that faith I have known are just people like anyone else. I do not think just because of their brand of faith they will vote for Clinton. There are many reasons such as abortion and the influx of Islam supported by Clinton along with her total lack of honesty and integrity that Mormon folks would choose to vote against her. Like the rest of us there is nothing a moral person could see in her to be admired.
There you go changing the subject again. Keep up. This is about Missouri letting us all down.
No, the subject is the same. You're saying the Missouri Christians "let us all down" by not slaughtering about 10,000 innocent - mostly women and children - Mormons. I'm saying that is very typically "christian" of you, as you're about as far from being Christ-like as that message of yours indicates, though you sure as Hell try to be a "holier than thou" Texarkana Bible-thumping hypocrite any chance you get.
I think someone is a very humorless person. You should probably take your meds. You appear to have missed them today.
Now, back to the subject. If Missouri had done it right, Glenn Beck would have to be a Jehovah's Witness or Moonie today.
suggest you come to Palmyra, NY for a week around July 15th and spout your hateful crap. probably would not make it back to your cave with all the nazi flags and photos of Adolph !
suggest you come to Palmyra, NY for a week around July 15th and spout your hateful crap. probably would not make it back to your cave with all the nazi flags and photos of Adolph !
Well, you know the Nazi flags in the cave go really well with the commemorative set of magical golden plates I picked up. Of course, I can't read them anymore because I lost the magic hat.
I never said that nor implied that. In fact I am not a fan. You are classless. Perhaps you hoped everyone was gonna giggle about your Missouri punchline. At least Fubarski has your back,ha ha
I never said that nor implied that. In fact I am not a fan. You are classless. Perhaps you hoped everyone was gonna giggle about your Missouri punchline. At least Fubarski has your back,ha ha
Odd that Fubarski is whining about different handles, yet not saying a thing about JoeBob being the newest log in for Cossatotjoe and Cossatotjoe_redux. Same guy from Texarkana; all three.
Odd that Fubarski is whining about different handles, yet not saying a thing about JoeBob being the newest log in for Cossatotjoe and Cossatotjoe_redux. Same guy from Texarkana; all three.
Odd that Fubarski is whining about different handles, yet not saying a thing about JoeBob being the newest log in for Cossatotjoe and Cossatotjoe_redux. Same guy from Texarkana; all three.
Odd that Fubarski is whining about different handles, yet not saying a thing about JoeBob being the newest log in for Cossatotjoe and Cossatotjoe_redux. Same guy from Texarkana; all three.
suggest you come to Palmyra, NY for a week around July 15th and spout your hateful crap. probably would not make it back to your cave with all the nazi flags and photos of Adolph !
Well, you know the Nazi flags in the cave go really well with the commemorative set of magical golden plates I picked up. Of course, I can't read them anymore because I lost the magic hat.
Congrats, you just proved that you have a chip on your shoulder for the Mormon faith, because of religious reasons, you're just hiding behind "murder of innocents" because it gets a better response.
suggest you come to Palmyra, NY for a week around July 15th and spout your hateful crap. probably would not make it back to your cave with all the nazi flags and photos of Adolph !
Well, you know the Nazi flags in the cave go really well with the commemorative set of magical golden plates I picked up. Of course, I can't read them anymore because I lost the magic hat.
Congrats, you just proved that you have a chip on your shoulder for the Mormon faith, because of religious reasons, you're just hiding behind "murder of innocents" because it gets a better response.
Odd that Fubarski is whining about different handles, yet not saying a thing about JoeBob being the newest log in for Cossatotjoe and Cossatotjoe_redux. Same guy from Texarkana; all three.
Meds, take them. You'll thank me later.
No thanks, Charlie, I don't do drugs.
I wouldn't take that bet.
Oh, why not? I can guarantee a clean piss test; any time, any place.
Still denying you aren't who you are, Charlie? Or, is Chuck preferable? Perhaps one during business and the other on Friday?
SALT LAKE CITY — If Donald Trump becomes the Republican Party's nominee, Utahns would vote for a Democrat for president in November for the first time in more than 50 years, according to a new Deseret News/KSL poll.
"I believe Donald Trump could lose Utah. If you lose Utah as a Republican, there is no hope," said former Utah Gov. Mike Leavitt, a top campaign adviser to the GOP's 2012 nominee, Mitt Romney.
The poll found that may well be true. Utah voters said they would reject Trump, the GOP frontrunner, whether former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton or Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is the Democratic candidate on the general election ballot.
As long as we are talking polls, what percentage would you put it at, the people who will vote for Trump, but not admit it when asked in a phone poll? How many do you think would rather just hang up?
I missed all the anti Mormon strife and conflict. Probably good for me. I remember reading about the Montain Meadow massecre, when I first arrived in Wyoming. It didn't leave me with hate or discomfort. Kinda like the civil war secenarios I read about, people trying to secede as a self contained state, and the rest of the country saying they can't. So battles happen. Just a part of America's growing pains. Nobody can claim innocence, for a fact, it seems to me. That was a long time ago. To the OP's question, IMHO Utah will vote Republican, whatever that may come to be. I've never had a problem with Utah, the Mormons or whatever's left in there. Seems Utah is a fine state, to me.
[quote=270jrk]I never said that nor implied that. In fact I am not a fan. You are classless. Perhaps you hoped everyone was gonna giggle about your Missouri punchline. At least Fubarski has your back,ha ha
Leave me outta *that* part of it, cause I got no idea of the history.
Trump may well lose Utah, but it won't signify much this go around. Normally, that would be a bad sign, but it is almost as if the Mormon church has a fatwah out on him. They obviously don't like him. So this time around, Utah is apt to be a flyer, not indicative of much else.
Odd that Fubarski is whining about different handles, yet not saying a thing about JoeBob being the newest log in for Cossatotjoe and Cossatotjoe_redux. Same guy from Texarkana; all three.
Dang, I missed all the anti Mormon strife and conflict. I remember reading about the Montain Meadow massecre, when I first arrived in Wyoming. It didn't leave me with hate or discomfort. Kinda like the civil war secenarios I read about, people trying to secede as a self contained state, and the rest of the country saying they can't. So battles happen. Just a part of America's growing pains. Nobody can claim innocence, for a fact, it seems to me. That was a long time ago. To the OP's question, IMHO Utah will vote Republican, whatever that may come to be. I've never had a problem with Utah, the Mormons or whatever's left in there. Seems Utah is a fine state, to me.
Wyoming has some of the most lax gun laws in the country, how that jives with Clinton support escapes me.
Dang, I missed all the anti Mormon strife and conflict. I remember reading about the Montain Meadow massecre, when I first arrived in Wyoming. It didn't leave me with hate or discomfort. Kinda like the civil war secenarios I read about, people trying to secede as a self contained state, and the rest of the country saying they can't. So battles happen. Just a part of America's growing pains. Nobody can claim innocence, for a fact, it seems to me. That was a long time ago. To the OP's question, IMHO Utah will vote Republican, whatever that may come to be. I've never had a problem with Utah, the Mormons or whatever's left in there. Seems Utah is a fine state, to me.
Wyoming has some of the most lax gun laws in the country, how that jives with Clinton support escapes me.
Really don't know how your comment pertains to the OP's original question.... Wyoming will vote Republican as it always has. Yes, the gun laws, or lack of them is one reason that keeps me here. You on the other hand, a Kalikavorkian, wil be resigned to live in utter embarrassment of your chosen state. I got nothing to complain about here in Wyoming.
I am not a Mormon but those of that faith I have known are just people like anyone else. I do not think just because of their brand of faith they will vote for Clinton. There are many reasons such as abortion and the influx of Islam supported by Clinton along with her total lack of honesty and integrity that Mormon folks would choose to vote against her. Like the rest of us there is nothing a moral person could see in her to be admired.
I so agree. I lived among folks of the Mormon faith for 11 yrs, and you have described the sentiments of those regular folks I have known, regardless of the belief of others, saying that the Mormon Church is anti Trump.
suggest you come to Palmyra, NY for a week around July 15th and spout your hateful crap. probably would not make it back to your cave with all the nazi flags and photos of Adolph !
Larry Root, at it again.
Is your new handle, "St. Louis Arch", or "stool research", looks more like the latter...
I guess you running out of new handles, that one sorta backfired...
Same old Root MOS, threats...
Larry, you gonna get the Palmyra Mormons to whup up on this guy for you, while you sell the popcorn...???
Don't think he's a Mormon, don't believe they'd have him. Standards are too high...
He's just inviting the poster to be there, July 15th, when the church puts on its big pageant about their founding, Joseph Smith, Native Americans, etc.
Larry always has to have his "posse", the sheriff, SWAT, etc. to back him up. Never a one-on-one call out...
I lived as a "Gentile" among the Mormons of Northern Utah For 5 years in the 1960s. My father had a defense industry job there. Giving the devil his due I must say the Mormons are hard working, industrious, and church oriented folks. I attended LDS seminary for an hour a day in the 9th grade. The book of Mormon I can promise you takes liberty with history. Non-Mormons were pretty much societal outcasts when I lived there. I learned in seminary and from missionaries that the Mormons are expecting govermental and social upheaval and have a shadow government plan in place for the U.S. We could probably do worse unless of course part of that plan is the massacre of gentiles. They have claimed to me to be the nation prophesied about in Ezekiel 37 and 38. I always thought that nation was Israel. The way things are unfolding we might soon see.
Short answer to the original question: Approximately as likely as Hillary announcing that after considerable soul searching, she has decided to withdraw because she is not morally worthy to be President.
Short answer to the original question: Approximately as likely as Hillary announcing that after considerable soul searching, she has decided to withdraw because she is not morally worthy to be President.
Yeah leave it to Denton to bust out the common sense and stick to the topic at hand, , I just picked up an AR15 yesterday just in case my vote against Hillary is ineffective.
suggest you come to Palmyra, NY for a week around July 15th and spout your hateful crap. probably would not make it back to your cave with all the nazi flags and photos of Adolph !
"Stool Research" has spoken. COWER in fear,....now the Mormon Church is his posse.
Larry,....WTF possessed you to come up with something that personal, and close to your heart as your latest, and predictably short lived latest handle.
according to your last PM,....you only have 25-26 left.
