Looks like I need to replace the plugs in the wife's expedition which has a 5.4L engine. I believe these are the dreaded 2-piece plugs that are notorious for breaking off.

Have a CEL now and guessing it might be plugs. Will be checking in to that later today.

So, if I need to replace these, what are the best hacks for changing these out and avoiding the break off?

My advise is to bite the bullet and pay the dealer to replace them. Those plugs are designed to go 100,000 miles. My 6.8 V10 had a bad coil at approximately 96,000 miles so I had the dealer do the plugs and the coil.

I am told also that after 100,000 miles coils do start to fail so I should purchase a new one, around $60.00, and keep it in the truck.

I was told by a mechanic, that should know, that if you sprayed penetrating oil down on the plugs and let it sit a day or two you could remove the plugs without breaking them or stripping the heads. The obvious problem with that is if you cannot get one or more plugs out after that your plugs are ruined and you will be towing your truck to the dealer.

For the dealer to do this was around $300 or $400 for 10 plugs plus coil, I cannot remember, but if you grew up in the 1960 and remember plugs cost $ 0.89 but only lasted 10,000 miles if you were lucky plus inflation the cost is not much different per mile.

I do a lot of my own work on my truck but sometimes it is just best to let someone you has done 100's of these repairs handle the work, in my opinion.

Take it to an expert. I have the Triton 4.6 and in 4000 miles it's going to the Ford dealership. I'm not trying to do this one at home.

kwg

Nothing I've seen works all the time. In fact, I would almost bet none of the special techniques make much difference. Sometimes they come out good, other times they don't. I thought I was pretty good, would work them back and forth a bit and use penetrating fluid and had done several trucks without a breakage. Of course, the next one I did every single one broke off. Get the removal tool and go at it, the tool works well and doesn't take too long. Some of the suggestions I've seen would require several days to complete the job, and I really don't think they help much. Doesn't hurt to do coils while your in there, they like to crap out right after plugs are done it seems.

Scroll down to the links on spark plug changes:

http://www.f150forum.com/f4/stop-before-you-post-read-common-useful-links-42829/

"Remember you need both the electrode extractor and the porcelain extractor sets described in TSB 08-7-6!"

Yup,
We've faced it in the shop for several years. Some penetrating oils help, but what do you do if they can't wait. Champion makes a one piece plug and that is what we use. As mentioned above, some break and some don't.

Had them replaced on a V10 Excursion and a previous expedition. Little spendy for plug swap. Broke a couple off in each case which added to the labor charge a fair amount.

I just traded in a f150 with 220k, and still on the factory plugs. You sure that's the problem?

Good advice.

And watch what the Mechanic might want to do. When I had mine done, the 1st shop I took it to wanted to change the coils, also, and wouldn't accept the job unless I accepted his demand... Loose estimate, $850.

Obviously, I accepted his challenge and took my business elsewhere.......

At the second shop, they did an analysis, replaced the plugs and two coils....$325. The two coils that were replaced were done so after I was contacted and advised that, though working fine, they were weak and could cause issues.

I did mine with no problems. I used the Ford TSB as a guide. I recommend going with the Motorcraft plug as a replacement since the TSB steps eliminate plug separation in subsequent tune ups and a one piece plug isn't required.
Here is a link to my experience:
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1074539-adventures-in-spark-plug-changing.html

Why do people patronize a company that does things like this?

I'm not sure?

http://blog.caranddriver.com/690000...ld-snap-damage-fuel-tank-and-brake-line/

The difference is Toyota can fix their screw up. Can Ford? Nope.

Christ is everyone in Oregon a idiot.


Tarkio I did mine and it wasn't too bad. Make sure to blow off the top of the coil packs with compressed air before removing the as the dirt and small pieces of gravel like to set on top of the coil packs and will fall down in with the plug if you are not careful. Once you have the coil packs off spray some good penetrating oil around plugs. Walk away and let it set for a couple of hours. Loosen the plugs a little at a time and then run them back in progressing farther out each time. I did this on mine and ones that I waited on came out no problem the first two broke because I was impatient. With the removeal tool it is no big deal to remove the broken ones. If you can get the penetrating oil in while the engine is still hot it will penetrate better and faster. Good luck you can do this if you have any mechanical skills at all.

I've spent a lot of money repairing Fords. I only have one left. You can kiss my ass.

I had the plugs and coil packs replaced on a F150, the dealer did it in an afternoon. It's not a big deal, hell they might have broke one off but I'd never know. Drove the pickup another 40-50k miles and traded it in. Still see the old fine '99 rollin' around town.

Little easier than replacing a rusted out frame.

What year, how many miles? I have changed mine 2x without any problems. 1st time was the hardest at 100k. Let it sit overnight to cool the engine. Pull C.O.P. (coil on plug) and blow out with compressed air around the plug. Break each one loose 1/4 turn and soak with penetrating oil, have a beer or 2 while waiting. Mine screeched like crazy but they came out.
I found that Ford was cheaper that autozone for the plugs. Use anti-sieze on the plugs only where it says to.

If you youtube it there is one guy using an impact wrench to remove them. Crazy.

A replaced frame is a solution, replaced plugs is temporary until next time.

Mark a spot you are all ASS. If a spark plug breaking on removal upsets you but a Toyota's bad brakelines, Stuck throttles and rotting frame rails dont then you must be from Oregon.

Its called a tune up.

Ford went to a one piece sparkplug sometime in 2008. My 2008 F-150 has one piece spark plugs. If you go on the F-150 forum there are threads there explaining how tell. I do know that there is a code on the coil packs the is different between the two.

I always wondered how Democrats get elected, but now I see.

My buddy bought a kit from Snap-On for taking out the broken plugs. It was pretty spendy but cheaper than labor and u can sell it on Ebay later on. He snapped every plug off on his wifes expedition

Aluminum beds too. mtmuley

My V10 could likely use new plugs. Around 145k I think.

CEL came on when it started running rough with a high surging idle. Turned out it was just the pcv hose had a hole.

Runs great again, but the plugs are always kinda on mind.

My mechanic changed mine for me at 120,000
They looked like new. You might as well change the coils to if you are doing it yourself or can get a discount on them.

Laughing.



Too bad you'll only get another 100-150k miles before you have to do it again.....



Replacing frames is way easier........grin



Holy chit Fireball, put down the Chardonnay and think about this chit.



And PS, spark plugs are easy and cheap compared to injectors.

Those POS diesels anyway!

I believe it's white zin season, you brute.

Sorry, I got kinda fired up there for a minute.


Tune-up versus frame replacement was pretty [bleep]' though!



Fireball must have an uber dry sense of humor, for a minute I actually thought he was serious.

I use Champion frames. Pep Boys usually has them on sale.

https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit...g-defect-class-action-lawsuits-for-2-2m/

I've got a 2009 Toyota, I'll let you know when the frame breaks in half LOL. You let me know how those spark plugs breaking off in the head works out.