TRH wants the New Testament Lord to destroy the state of Israel. Soros is spending some of his money to do the Lord's work.
8/17/16 Over the weekend hackers leaked reams of confidential reports from the Open Society Foundations, hedge-fund billionaire George Soros’s ostensible charitable network, to the DC Leaks website.
DC Leaks is believed to be backed by Russian intelligence agencies. Soros, who is of Hungarian Jewish origin, is a major supporter of the Democratic Party and a dogged opponent of the state of Israel, or—at the very least—of the policies and values embodied by its elected governments.
The leaks shed new light on the intensity of Soros’s animus against the Jewish state. One of the Open Society Foundations’ aims was to “challeng[e] Israel’s racist and anti-democratic policies” and subvert its image as a democracy in the international arena.
One way Soros’s outfit did that was to funnel funds to highly adversarial Israel-based organizations. Since 2001 the largest total, almost $2.7 million, has gone to the Israeli Arab NGO Adalah. As NGO Monitor details, Adalah vilifies Israel as a “colonial enterprise” and “apartheid state,” charges it with “war crimes,” and calls for its international isolation.
Another $1 million has gone to another Israeli Arab NGO, the I’lam Media Center.
Could you quote TRH as having said that? I've never seen him say that anywhere nor anything like it.
Of course when I consider the source I have my doubts as to whether that quote will be forthcoming...
Originally Posted By: The_Real_Hawkeye #9053788 - 07/26/14 06:26 PM I believe I've been clear on my position vis-a-vis Israel. It's a terrorist/apartheid state, an abomination to the Lord, and has been a curse to the world since its inception (which should have been no surprise to anyone who's read the New Testament). It should never have been permitted to be founded, and now that it's founded, it should disappear as a political entity, but it won't. It will continue to be a curse to the world till the Lord comes to set all things aright.
So you think the Lord is happy with their rejection of the Son of God, and having presumed to reoccupy Palestine not having repented of their rejection of Christ? Has the State of Israel been a blessing to the world, the Middle East? Has the US been blessed since 1948? What part of my statement (read for what it actually says, not through the pre-framing of Bowsinger's perspective) do you have difficulty with as a Christian?
TRH wants the New Testament Lord to destroy the state of Israel. Soros is spending some of his money to do the Lord's work.
8/17/16 Over the weekend hackers leaked reams of confidential reports from the Open Society Foundations, hedge-fund billionaire George Soros’s ostensible charitable network, to the DC Leaks website.
DC Leaks is believed to be backed by Russian intelligence agencies. Soros, who is of Hungarian Jewish origin, is a major supporter of the Democratic Party and a dogged opponent of the state of Israel, or—at the very least—of the policies and values embodied by its elected governments.
The leaks shed new light on the intensity of Soros’s animus against the Jewish state. One of the Open Society Foundations’ aims was to “challeng[e] Israel’s racist and anti-democratic policies” and subvert its image as a democracy in the international arena.
One way Soros’s outfit did that was to funnel funds to highly adversarial Israel-based organizations. Since 2001 the largest total, almost $2.7 million, has gone to the Israeli Arab NGO Adalah. As NGO Monitor details, Adalah vilifies Israel as a “colonial enterprise” and “apartheid state,” charges it with “war crimes,” and calls for its international isolation.
Another $1 million has gone to another Israeli Arab NGO, the I’lam Media Center.
Why would I read anything a closeted Hillary supporter types? How is the Televangelist Ted campaign working out for you?
Sorry Ace, but they ain't my words. Soros told journalist Steve Kroft in a televised interview that roaming the streets of Budapest with his faux godfather to confiscate the property of his fellow Jews for the Nazis was the most exhilarating time of his life has long had a problem with both his Jewish roots and the creation of a Jewish state. Soros added that he felt no guilt about what he had done during the war years—not even survivor’s guilt, common among those who live through a catastrophe, troubled him.
I've noticed TRH has gone from being a nun chuck swingin', negro in a pickup dodging, mason fearing, vacumn sealed shower gun wacko, kook of the year to being nearly a masiah. Anyone else?
If I'm wrong, show me where. If Christ didn't identify what is today called Judaism as a body of false and ungodly doctrines, show me. If he did, then you must admit that no state founded and sustained to the present day on the basis of said religion could accomplish anything but evil.
If I'm wrong, show me where. If Christ didn't identify what is today called Judaism as a body of false and ungodly doctrines, show me. If he did, then you must admit that no state founded and sustained to the present day on the basis of said religion could accomplish anything but evil.
Dudette you are one confused and fugged up dope. You off your meds?
So you think the Lord is happy with their rejection of the Son of God, and having presumed to reoccupy Palestine not having repented of their rejection of Christ? Has the State of Israel been a blessing to the world, the Middle East? Has the US been blessed since 1948? What part of my statement (read for what it actually says, not through the pre-framing of Bowsinger's perspective) do you have difficulty with as a Christian?
The same can all be said of all the nations of men.
You and I agree there has been no Judaism since 70 AD. There is no (biblically) meaningful Israel. With all the dispersions there is barely a provable bloodline to Abraham, and the vast majority of Israeli citizens are agnostic.
God has no more displeasure with the nation state of Israel than He does with any of the rest of us. Nor does He hold them in any higher disdain that any other; the free offer of salvation is open to any and all. The advantages that Paul points out concerning those of Jewish lineage and their knowledge of the Scriptures and reverence for God still stands for those who find themselves in that state.
Sin is sin and murder is murder; all who sin are complicit in the murder of our Lord. You and me no more nor less than Levi Kohn.
If I'm wrong, show me where. If Christ didn't identify what is today called Judaism as a body of false and ungodly doctrines, show me. If he did, then you must admit that no state founded and sustained to the present day on the basis of said religion could accomplish anything but evil.
Dudette you are one confused and fugged up dope. You off your meds?
I take from your response that you cannot refute my above statement.
So you think the Lord is happy with their rejection of the Son of God, and having presumed to reoccupy Palestine not having repented of their rejection of Christ? Has the State of Israel been a blessing to the world, the Middle East? Has the US been blessed since 1948? What part of my statement (read for what it actually says, not through the pre-framing of Bowsinger's perspective) do you have difficulty with as a Christian?
The same can all be said of all the nations of men.
You and I agree there has been no Judaism since 70 AD. There is no (biblically) meaningful Israel. With all the dispersions there is barely a provable bloodline to Abraham, and the vast majority of Israeli citizens are agnostic.
God has no more displeasure with the nation state of Israel than He does with any of the rest of us. Nor does He hold them in any higher disdain that any other; the free offer of salvation is open to any and all. The advantages that Paul points out concerning those of Jewish lineage and their knowledge of the Scriptures and reverence for God still stands for those who find themselves in that state.
Sin is sin and murder is murder; all who sin are complicit in the murder of our Lord. You and me no more nor less than Levi Kohn.
Yours is a very new doctrine. St. Augustine only represented common, Biblically based, Christian thought when he said that "The true image of the Hebrew is Judas Iscariot, who sells the Lord for silver. The Jew can never understand the Scriptures and forever will bear the guilt for the death of Jesus." This statement parallels 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15, and many other verses in the New Testament.
Of course a Jew who accepts Christ ceases being a Jew and, by having his guilt washed clean, is fully redeemed.
It was only with the advent of the grave error of Dispensationalism, at the close of the 19th Century, that the sentiment expressed in the Augustine quote above (paralleled by every major Christian figure of the ancient world) subsided from common Christian opinion. That should tell you something.
On the point you and I (as well as Augustine) shall disagree.
I would also suggest that your characterization of Christianity as historically anti Semitic is until the error of dispensationalsiism is overly simplistic.
Augustine & Luther both had their cultural baggage just like you and I do.
Now if you want to engage me on my non-religious political opinion of the nation state of Israel that's quite a different thing, but that isn't informed by their treatment of our Lord either.
TRH wants the New Testament Lord to destroy the state of Israel. Soros is spending some of his money to do the Lord's work.
8/17/16 Over the weekend hackers leaked reams of confidential reports from the Open Society Foundations, hedge-fund billionaire George Soros’s ostensible charitable network, to the DC Leaks website.
DC Leaks is believed to be backed by Russian intelligence agencies. Soros, who is of Hungarian Jewish origin, is a major supporter of the Democratic Party and a dogged opponent of the state of Israel, or—at the very least—of the policies and values embodied by its elected governments.
The leaks shed new light on the intensity of Soros’s animus against the Jewish state. One of the Open Society Foundations’ aims was to “challeng[e] Israel’s racist and anti-democratic policies” and subvert its image as a democracy in the international arena.
One way Soros’s outfit did that was to funnel funds to highly adversarial Israel-based organizations. Since 2001 the largest total, almost $2.7 million, has gone to the Israeli Arab NGO Adalah. As NGO Monitor details, Adalah vilifies Israel as a “colonial enterprise” and “apartheid state,” charges it with “war crimes,” and calls for its international isolation.
Another $1 million has gone to another Israeli Arab NGO, the I’lam Media Center.
TRH wants the New Testament Lord to destroy the state of Israel. Soros is spending some of his money to do the Lord's work.
8/17/16 Over the weekend hackers leaked reams of confidential reports from the Open Society Foundations, hedge-fund billionaire George Soros’s ostensible charitable network, to the DC Leaks website.
DC Leaks is believed to be backed by Russian intelligence agencies. Soros, who is of Hungarian Jewish origin, is a major supporter of the Democratic Party and a dogged opponent of the state of Israel, or—at the very least—of the policies and values embodied by its elected governments.
The leaks shed new light on the intensity of Soros’s animus against the Jewish state. One of the Open Society Foundations’ aims was to “challeng[e] Israel’s racist and anti-democratic policies” and subvert its image as a democracy in the international arena.
One way Soros’s outfit did that was to funnel funds to highly adversarial Israel-based organizations. Since 2001 the largest total, almost $2.7 million, has gone to the Israeli Arab NGO Adalah. As NGO Monitor details, Adalah vilifies Israel as a “colonial enterprise” and “apartheid state,” charges it with “war crimes,” and calls for its international isolation.
Another $1 million has gone to another Israeli Arab NGO, the I’lam Media Center.
Feel better?
I did have some misgivings about starting this thread. Until I read TRH's response. I detest bigotry of all forms. I understand forgiving those who preach it. That is not easy for me to do when the dogmatism is repeated over and over. The weekend reports about Soros need to be aired. (pun intended).
The Jewish Press reported on the circular nature of the funding. Soros funds groups directly, and other groups that fund other groups. He created an anti-Israel ecosystem: Jewish Hungarian-American business magnate George Soros, whose company files were hacked by the same outfit that in June hacked the DNC computers, was a major contributor to anti-Israel and anti-Zionist causes, as appears from an archive of leaked documents of the DC Leaks website…
TRH wants the New Testament Lord to destroy the state of Israel. Soros is spending some of his money to do the Lord's work.
8/17/16 Over the weekend hackers leaked reams of confidential reports from the Open Society Foundations, hedge-fund billionaire George Soros’s ostensible charitable network, to the DC Leaks website.
DC Leaks is believed to be backed by Russian intelligence agencies. Soros, who is of Hungarian Jewish origin, is a major supporter of the Democratic Party and a dogged opponent of the state of Israel, or—at the very least—of the policies and values embodied by its elected governments.
The leaks shed new light on the intensity of Soros’s animus against the Jewish state. One of the Open Society Foundations’ aims was to “challeng[e] Israel’s racist and anti-democratic policies” and subvert its image as a democracy in the international arena.
One way Soros’s outfit did that was to funnel funds to highly adversarial Israel-based organizations. Since 2001 the largest total, almost $2.7 million, has gone to the Israeli Arab NGO Adalah. As NGO Monitor details, Adalah vilifies Israel as a “colonial enterprise” and “apartheid state,” charges it with “war crimes,” and calls for its international isolation.
Another $1 million has gone to another Israeli Arab NGO, the I’lam Media Center.
Feel better?
I did have some misgivings about starting this thread. Until I read TRH's response. I detest bigotry of all forms. I understand forgiving those who preach it. That is not easy for me to do when the dogmatism is repeated over and over. The weekend reports about Soros need to be aired. (pun intended).
The Jewish Press reported on the circular nature of the funding. Soros funds groups directly, and other groups that fund other groups. He created an anti-Israel ecosystem: Jewish Hungarian-American business magnate George Soros, whose company files were hacked by the same outfit that in June hacked the DNC computers, was a major contributor to anti-Israel and anti-Zionist causes, as appears from an archive of leaked documents of the DC Leaks website…
On the point you and I (as well as Augustine) shall disagree.
I would also suggest that your characterization of Christianity as historically anti Semitic is until the error of dispensationalsiism is overly simplistic.
You falsely characterize the teachings of Christ about the Jews as antisemitism, implying hatred towards people of a particular belief system or ethnicity. It constitutes a hatred of perfidy and error only.
So you think the Lord is happy with their rejection of the Son of God, and having presumed to reoccupy Palestine not having repented of their rejection of Christ? Has the State of Israel been a blessing to the world, the Middle East? Has the US been blessed since 1948? What part of my statement (read for what it actually says, not through the pre-framing of Bowsinger's perspective) do you have difficulty with as a Christian?
The same can all be said of all the nations of men.
You and I agree there has been no Judaism since 70 AD. There is no (biblically) meaningful Israel. With all the dispersions there is barely a provable bloodline to Abraham, and the vast majority of Israeli citizens are agnostic.
God has no more displeasure with the nation state of Israel than He does with any of the rest of us. Nor does He hold them in any higher disdain that any other; the free offer of salvation is open to any and all. The advantages that Paul points out concerning those of Jewish lineage and their knowledge of the Scriptures and reverence for God still stands for those who find themselves in that state.
Sin is sin and murder is murder; all who sin are complicit in the murder of our Lord. You and me no more nor less than Levi Kohn.
Yours is a very new doctrine. St. Augustine only represented common, Biblically based, Christian thought when he said that "The true image of the Hebrew is Judas Iscariot, who sells the Lord for silver. The Jew can never understand the Scriptures and forever will bear the guilt for the death of Jesus." This statement parallels 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15, and many other verses in the New Testament.
Of course a Jew who accepts Christ ceases being a Jew and, by having his guilt washed clean, is fully redeemed.
It was only with the advent of the grave error of Dispensationalism, at the close of the 19th Century, that the sentiment expressed in the Augustine quote above (paralleled by every major Christian figure of the ancient world) subsided from common Christian opinion. That should tell you something.
Oh boy!
You are even off the reservation of what is called amillennialism by some but that view does spawn anti-Judaism and I've seen it time and again. BTW, the early Church fathers until at least late 200's AD were premillennialist and believed in a literal thousand year Millennium and a role for ethnic Israel in it.
Augustine spiritualized these scriptures because he was influenced by Origen of the Alexanderian school in Egypt and was influenced by Greek Philosophy as he tried to combat other heresies. "Spiritualizing" scriptures always opens the door to liberalism or wrong doctrine--it's like opening the door to an empty room where everybody then puts in their style of furniture.
This became RC doctrine and then went through the Reformation unreformed and here you are calling Israel a terrorist organization. Not so nasty my friend. Might not the Balfor Declaration in '17 and Israeli independence in '48 be hinting at God working through time and geopolitics to regather some of His chicks?
No surprise about Soros wanting to eliminate Israel. Soros hates God, that's why he does everything to eliminate worship of God and why he promotes Atheism and worship of the false god, Allah.
You are even off the reservation of what is called amillennialism by some but that view does spawn anti-Judaism and I've seen it time and again. BTW, the early Church fathers until at least late 200's AD were premillennialist and believed in a literal thousand year Millennium and a role for ethnic Israel in it.
Augustine spiritualized these scriptures because he was influenced by Origen of the Alexanderian school in Egypt and was influenced by Greek Philosophy as he tried to combat other heresies. "Spiritualizing" scriptures always opens the door to liberalism or wrong doctrine--it's like opening the door to an empty room where everybody then puts in their style of furniture.
This became RC doctrine and then went through the Reformation unreformed and here you are calling Israel a terrorist organization. Not so nasty my friend. Might not the Balfor Declaration in '17 and Israeli independence in '48 be hinting at God working through time and geopolitics to regather some of His chicks?
Curious, do you belong to RC Sprouls church?
You have to do a lot of fancy "reasoning" to get around the fact that the Christ of the New Testament identified the Judaism of his day (the Judaism of the "Traditions of the Elders" - later to be codified as the Talmud - which Christ identified as the "traditions of men," "making the word of God of none effect" - Mark 7:5-13) as a body of false and ungodly doctrines that lead its adherents to destruction. If, after the application of said "reasoning," you find yourself departing from this simple statement, then you are, by so doing, departing from the plain teachings of Christ.
No surprise about Soros wanting to eliminate Israel. Soros hates God, that's why he does everything to eliminate worship of God and why he promotes Atheism and worship of the false god, Allah.
Soros and TRH both believe that Israel is built on genocidal ethnic destruction of its enemies. That they have no right to their homeland.
You are even off the reservation of what is called amillennialism by some but that view does spawn anti-Judaism and I've seen it time and again. BTW, the early Church fathers until at least late 200's AD were premillennialist and believed in a literal thousand year Millennium and a role for ethnic Israel in it.
Augustine spiritualized these scriptures because he was influenced by Origen of the Alexanderian school in Egypt and was influenced by Greek Philosophy as he tried to combat other heresies. "Spiritualizing" scriptures always opens the door to liberalism or wrong doctrine--it's like opening the door to an empty room where everybody then puts in their style of furniture.
This became RC doctrine and then went through the Reformation unreformed and here you are calling Israel a terrorist organization. Not so nasty my friend. Might not the Balfor Declaration in '17 and Israeli independence in '48 be hinting at God working through time and geopolitics to regather some of His chicks?
Curious, do you belong to RC Sprouls church?
You have to do a lot of fancy "reasoning" to get around the fact that the Christ of the New Testament identified the Judaism of his day (the Judaism of the "Traditions of the Elders" - later to be codified as the Talmud - which Christ identified as the "traditions of men," "making the word of God of none effect" - Mark 7:6-13) as a body of false and ungodly doctrines that lead its adherents to destruction. If, after the application of said "reasoning," you find yourself departing from this simple statement, then you are, by so doing, departing from the plain teachings of Christ.
Of course Orthodox Judaism is wrong. They denied Christ and now still "miss" that He came; no argument there but many traditions of men, even of the Reformers, are wrong. That's no argument at all that God is completely through with the "vine" that gentile believers were grafted into.
Of course Orthodox Judaism is wrong. They denied Christ and now still "miss" that He came; no argument there but many traditions of men, even of the Reformers, are wrong. That's no argument at all that God is completely through with the "vine" that gentile believers were grafted into.
Certainly, but the vine consists of believers, starting from Abraham and going to the present day. It is not a vine built on an ethnicity. Never was. That was Jewish error, introduced among the many traditions of men fabricated by the Jews. Making it about an ethnicity was one of the errors of the Jews that was condemned in the New Testament, an error retained by them to this day. "And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham." - Matt 3:9.
THAT is "way of looking at scripture", en total, a dogma based on a generalized hermeneutic that you have been taught or immersed in and believe.
First off, this subject is a universe beyond thrashing out in a forum but I could refute every point you make with other in-context evidence based on a hermeneutic that is "more literal". But I have neither the time or inclination to do that.
Second, I may be wrong! 🤔😄. I try not to be dogmatic because this is not cornerstone doctrinal stuff and God obviously values faith in things unseen and not completely understood due to the limitations of the human mind and there are many believers on both sides of this fence. Being wrong is some things is not so bad; being dogmatic about it is worse.
And I usually find "your side" the most arrogantly vociferous in defense or rebuttal or condescension.
And I usually find "your side" the most arrogantly vociferous in defense or rebuttal or condescension.
You saw his responses over and over regarding the electrical pathway of the heart. Something that is pretty straight-forward, and requires about zero faith or interpretation. Something that produces scientifically repeatable results in the EP lab time and time again.
And you're going to argue with him about something that requires faith and interpretation of secondhand source material???!!!!??!?!?!?!?
If I'm wrong, show me where. If Christ didn't identify what is today called Judaism as a body of false and ungodly doctrines, show me. If he did, then you must admit that no state founded and sustained to the present day on the basis of said religion could accomplish anything but evil.
Seems to me Christ was a Jew.I have never read where he condemned Judaism.He condemned what they did in the Temple.
THAT is "way of looking at scripture", en total, a dogma based on a generalized hermeneutic that you have been taught or immersed in and believe.
First off, this subject is a universe beyond thrashing out in a forum but I could refute every point you make with other in-context evidence based on a hermeneutic that is "more literal". But I have neither the time or inclination to do that.
Second, I may be wrong! 🤔😄. I try not to be dogmatic because this is not cornerstone doctrinal stuff and God obviously values faith in things unseen and not completely understood due to the limitations of the human mind and there are many believers on both sides of this fence. Being wrong is some things is not so bad; being dogmatic about it is worse.
And I usually find "your side" the most arrogantly vociferous in defense or rebuttal or condescension.
I love reading your responses. One among many is particularly relevant...."Being wrong in some things is not so bad; being dogmatic about it is worse." It sums up his sophist mentality right there. Cherry picking from the New Testament to rationalize hatred of an entire country. Doesn't sound like Christ's message at all.
THAT is "way of looking at scripture", en total, a dogma based on a generalized hermeneutic that you have been taught or immersed in and believe.
First off, this subject is a universe beyond thrashing out in a forum but I could refute every point you make with other in-context evidence based on a hermeneutic that is "more literal". But I have neither the time or inclination to do that.
Second, I may be wrong! 🤔😄. I try not to be dogmatic because this is not cornerstone doctrinal stuff and God obviously values faith in things unseen and not completely understood due to the limitations of the human mind and there are many believers on both sides of this fence. Being wrong is some things is not so bad; being dogmatic about it is worse.
And I usually find "your side" the most arrogantly vociferous in defense or rebuttal or condescension.
If I'm wrong, show me where. If Christ didn't identify what is today called Judaism as a body of false and ungodly doctrines, show me. If he did, then you must admit that no state founded and sustained to the present day on the basis of said religion could accomplish anything but evil.
Seems to me Christ was a Jew.I have never read where he condemned Judaism. He condemned what they did in the Temple.
Christ was not a practitioner of the Judaism of his time on earth. God forbid. He condemned the Judaism of his time, calling it the doctrines of men that had displaced received divine revelation. He condemned what Judaism had become by his time on earth, and long previous. Which is what it is today, apart from having piled new outrages atop those already contained in their long list of false doctrines. He called its teachers and adherents sons of their father the devil, as proved by their rejection of God's son, which he said showed them to be attached to the spirit of Antichrist rather than his Father in heaven.
If I'm wrong, show me where. If Christ didn't identify what is today called Judaism as a body of false and ungodly doctrines, show me. If he did, then you must admit that no state founded and sustained to the present day on the basis of said religion could accomplish anything but evil.
Seems to me Christ was a Jew.I have never read where he condemned Judaism.He condemned what they did in the Temple.
The Messiah told Jews the proper spiritual path to take.
Trump has a daughter and two grandkids that are Jewish and living in Israel. Trump has endorsed Netanyahu and called Obama the ‘worst enemy’ of Israel
He brags about all his Jewish awards including grand marshal at New York’s annual Salute to Israel Parade. In February, Trump was honored with an award at the annual Algemeiner event, a right-wing Jewish news organization. “I have a Jewish daughter. This wasn’t in the plan, but I’m very glad it happened,” Trump said at the event, held in Manhattan. On Israel, he said, “We love Israel. We will fight for Israel 100 percent, 1,000 percent. It will be there forever.”
Trump has a daughter and two grandkids that are Jewish and living in Israel. Trump has endorsed Netanyahu and called Obama the ‘worst enemy’ of Israel
He brags about all his Jewish awards including grand marshal at New York’s annual Salute to Israel Parade. In February, Trump was honored with an award at the annual Algemeiner event, a right-wing Jewish news organization. “I have a Jewish daughter. This wasn’t in the plan, but I’m very glad it happened,” Trump said at the event, held in Manhattan. On Israel, he said, “We love Israel. We will fight for Israel 100 percent, 1,000 percent. It will be there forever.”
This was particularly spot on: "The neocon assault on Trump is typically carried on with assertions of US patriotism, their Jewish identity submerged under thick layers of professed allegiance to American interests."
THAT is "way of looking at scripture", en total, a dogma based on a generalized hermeneutic that you have been taught or immersed in and believe.
First off, this subject is a universe beyond thrashing out in a forum but I could refute every point you make with other in-context evidence based on a hermeneutic that is "more literal". But I have neither the time or inclination to do that.
Second, I may be wrong! 🤔😄. I try not to be dogmatic because this is not cornerstone doctrinal stuff and God obviously values faith in things unseen and not completely understood due to the limitations of the human mind and there are many believers on both sides of this fence. Being wrong is some things is not so bad; being dogmatic about it is worse.
And I usually find "your side" the most arrogantly vociferous in defense or rebuttal or condescension.
You could have just said you concede your error.
I would if I had but I didn't so I haven't.
Not in an insulting way but in a reminding way, it would be good to follow the example of the Bereans and go where they went to search for the truth, not just a tradition of men.
For some balance in your view, I would recommend Future Israel, Why Christian Anti-Judaism must be Challenged.
Christ was not a practitioner of the Judaism of his time on earth.
You mean He favored Juneteenth over Passover?
He practiced authentic Judaism, then fulfilled it as the Messiah, bringing an end to the authority of the Jewish Hierarchy. "And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent." - Matthew 27:51
Where does it say that those who follow Jesus ought to view Jews differently than other non-Christians? If you're so familiar with Christ's teachings it certainly shouldn't be hard to give the reference from memory?!
Jesus was the one and only perfect Jew; how could He hate Judaism?
Christ's salvation was offered first for the Jew and then the Greek according to Paul.
As I said in another post, the OT stands as a witness to all who would attempt to practice whatever modern "Temple-less" Judaism (a misnomer I grant) is possible.
Jesus was the one and only perfect Jew; how could He hate Judaism?
You're being disingenuous.
He hated what was being taught and practiced as though it were Judaism, and in the name of Judaism. It is precisely what is today referred to as Judaism by Jews themselves, i.e., the 'Traditions of the Elders," codified in the form of the Talmud.
There is no longer any authentic Judaism possible, since any who identify as a Jew, yet deny Christ, is with anti-Christ, so says Jesus. And any Jew who acknowledges Christ has become a Christian, and is no longer a Jew in the sense of adhering to the Judaic religion, which prefigured Christ, but was brought to an end with Christ.
As I said in another post, the OT stands as a witness to all who would attempt to practice whatever modern "Temple-less" Judaism (a misnomer I grant) is possible.
Sounds nothing like accursedness to me...
You're referring, I presume, to the so called Old Testament Jews who claim to practice non-Talmudic Judaism today. This is also an offense to God, since it is in the spirit of anti-Christ. Christ said that any who deny that he is the Messiah (Christ) exhibits the spirit of anti-Christ. This refers most particularly to those identifying themselves as Jews, since (besides Christians) only Jews believe in such a thing as a Christ, and thus only a Jew can formulate the notion of denying that Jesus is he.
Jesus was the one and only perfect Jew; how could He hate Judaism?
You're being disingenuous.
He hated what was being taught and practiced as though it were Judaism, and in the name of Judaism. It is precisely what is today referred to as Judaism by Jews themselves, i.e., the 'Traditions of the Elders," codified in the form of the Talmud.
Disingenuous? Huh? I was taking you at your word; you said anti-Judaism.
Jesus hated/hates all false religion (including those who use His name to rationalize hatred of those who bear His image) equally. Modern non-Judaism and the religion of the Pharisees (it's is NOT disingenuous to draw such a distinction) are among those as are certain pharisaical sects of Christianity, it's cults, materialism, whatever.
Biblical Christianity will lead one toward a keeping of the great commandment. The fact that so many great men of historic Christianity hated a whole race of people simply for their race is to our shame not credit.
Jesus was the one and only perfect Jew; how could He hate Judaism?
You're being disingenuous.
He hated what was being taught and practiced as though it were Judaism, and in the name of Judaism. It is precisely what is today referred to as Judaism by Jews themselves, i.e., the 'Traditions of the Elders," codified in the form of the Talmud.
Disingenuous? Huh? I was taking you at your word; you said anti-Judaism.
Yes, disingenuous. I am referring to what he found identifying itself as Judaism, and what is today identified as Judaism, i.e., Christ-denying Judaism. The name is now associated with that, which Christ clearly identified as possessing the spirit of anti-Christ.
As I said in another post, the OT stands as a witness to all who would attempt to practice whatever modern "Temple-less" Judaism (a misnomer I grant) is possible.
Sounds nothing like accursedness to me...
You're referring, I presume, to the so called Old Testament Jews who claim to practice non-Talmudic Judaism today. This is also an offense to God, since it is in the spirit of anti-Christ. Christ said that any who deny that he is the Messiah (Christ) exhibits the spirit of anti-Christ. This refers most particularly to those identifying themselves as Jews, since (besides Christians) only Jews believe in such a thing as a Christ, and thus only a Jew can formulate the notion of denying that Jesus is he.
My word shall not return to me void; do you deny that the Spirit of God uses His word to bring people to Himself?
Saying that people "hate because of race" is a politically correct cheap shot.
Whatever.
The Lord said love your enemies; He practiced it when He prayed for those who knew not what they were doing as they nailed Him to a cross.
Anyone who uses Christianity & Christ as an excuse to hate anyone is just like those hypocritical Pharisees who TRH & I agree were anathema.
Are you suggesting that I hate Jews?? I think it's hate for a supposed Christian to mislead a Jew into believing that where he is is OK with God, which is what you and your ilk seem to be doing.
I don't presume to do Gods thinking for him nor do I believe he wants me to turn my back on my neighbor. If God has a problem with Jews I'm sure he'll take it up with them personally.
I don't presume to do Gods thinking for him nor do I believe he wants me to turn my back on my neighbor. If God has a problem with Jews I'm sure he'll take it up with them personally.
Same here. I'm not going out of my way to oppress anybody.
I have neither the ability nor the inclination to do so.
On the other hand,....I know when to "shake the dust" of some place off my feet.
I think it's hate for a supposed Christian to mislead a Jew into believing that where he is is OK with God, which is what you and your ilk seem to be doing.
You haven't read anything I've typed.
Nice work validating what others have said about you here and what, heretofore, I had considered to be garbage.
Your comments have implied you hate Jews; I would take you at your word if you say you don't.
I think it's hate for a supposed Christian to mislead a Jew into believing that where he is is OK with God, which is what you and your ilk seem to be doing.
You haven't read anything I've typed.
Nice work validating what others have said about you here and what, heretofore, I had considered to be garbage.
Your comments have implied you hate Jews; I would take you at your word if you say you don't.
Maybe you should define what you mean when you talk about "hate".
Does it mean that one prefers not to spend time in the company of someone,...or does it mean that you want to cut their fuggin' head off.
"Hate" is four letters.
It has no meaning beyond what someone attaches to it.
I've been thinking about it,..and I've come to the conclusion that "fuggum" is a much more appropriate word than "hate" regarding most political and social matters.
Either that or the left tries to say you "fear" something, like if you disagree with something, you're a coward- like homophobia or Islamophobia. Friggin bullcrap.
If the Jews start blowing us up and killing us in self declared holy war I'll hate them and seek their destruction, until then I'll focus my hate on those that do. Other than that, fuggum....
If the Jews start blowing us up and killing us in self declared holy war I'll hate them and seek their destruction, until then I'll focus my hate on those that do. Other than that, fuggum....
Your comments have implied you hate Jews; I would take you at your word if you say you don't.
Is it hate to fully endorse Christ's words on the matter?
Does Christ want you to hate them for not?
efw said that my words imply hatred of Jews. My words on the matter have been nothing more than an endorsement of Christ's teaching on the matter we're discussing. I don't classify that as hate for Jews.
If the Jews start blowing us up and killing us in self declared holy war I'll hate them and seek their destruction, until then I'll focus my hate on those that do. Other than that, fuggum....
Are you suggesting that modern steel skyscrapers don't collapse perfectly into their own footprints at free fall velocity as a result of fire? That sounds antisemitic to me.
Your comments have implied you hate Jews; I would take you at your word if you say you don't.
Is it hate to fully endorse Christ's words on the matter?
When you choose to misinterpret some and exclude others.
That's what He said of the Pharisees concerning their ways around honoring their parents. They used the teachings of the elders (such as Augustine) to get around plain teachings of God in the commandment.
Hubris and defensiveness when I'm asked a direct question tells me what I need to know; the fact that you evade direct questions even as I attempt to give you the benefit of the doubt seems to suggest you know you're actually opposed to the teachings of Christ.
Trump has a daughter and two grandkids that are Jewish and living in Israel. Trump has endorsed Netanyahu and called Obama the ‘worst enemy’ of Israel
He brags about all his Jewish awards including grand marshal at New York’s annual Salute to Israel Parade. In February, Trump was honored with an award at the annual Algemeiner event, a right-wing Jewish news organization. “I have a Jewish daughter. This wasn’t in the plan, but I’m very glad it happened,” Trump said at the event, held in Manhattan. On Israel, he said, “We love Israel. We will fight for Israel 100 percent, 1,000 percent. It will be there forever.”
THAT is "way of looking at scripture", en total, a dogma based on a generalized hermeneutic that you have been taught or immersed in and believe.
First off, this subject is a universe beyond thrashing out in a forum but I could refute every point you make with other in-context evidence based on a hermeneutic that is "more literal". But I have neither the time or inclination to do that.
Second, I may be wrong! 🤔😄. I try not to be dogmatic because this is not cornerstone doctrinal stuff and God obviously values faith in things unseen and not completely understood due to the limitations of the human mind and there are many believers on both sides of this fence. Being wrong is some things is not so bad; being dogmatic about it is worse.
And I usually find "your side" the most arrogantly vociferous in defense or rebuttal or condescension.
I love reading your responses. One among many is particularly relevant...."Being wrong in some things is not so bad; being dogmatic about it is worse." It sums up his sophist mentality right there. Cherry picking from the New Testament to rationalize hatred of an entire country. Doesn't sound like Christ's message at all.
George does have an elegant way of saying "you are full of shit".
Your comments have implied you hate Jews; I would take you at your word if you say you don't.
Is it hate to fully endorse Christ's words on the matter?
When you choose to misinterpret some and exclude others.
That's what He said of the Pharisees concerning their ways around honoring their parents.
That was one among a list of examples of what he was referring to. His condemnation was for precisely what is today referred to as Judaism, i.e., adherence of the Talmudic religion, which is a compilation of the Traditions of the Elders which have displaced (says Christ), for the Jews, divine revelation.
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They used the teachings of the elders (such as Augustine) to get around plain teachings of God in the commandment.
Augustine's statements, like mine, merely endorse the plain (untwisted) words of the New Testament on the question.
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