Who's guarding the guards? Freedom of speech if you agree with us.


http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016...-recording-professors-anti-trump-tirade/

A human sexuality course taught by a professor named Stable Cox? LMAO

At one time my oldest son was working on an MBA in history at Boston College. His goal was a PhD and to teach and research history. He dropped the idea. He said that he'd never get a decent job because he wasn't a raving liberal.

MBA Masters in Business Administration, isn't it?

Saw that this morning.. Student should get his tuition paid until graduation and the flaming liberal professor fired..

Fire his ass

The instructor is female.

Olga Perez Stable Cox is just another flaming liberal jackass.

My bad. Meant MA, master of arts, unless history comes under master of science.

The shoe is on the other foot now and the libs can not take it.

The vast majority were saying the approximate same thing thing 8 years ago about Bam Bam

Professors at many institutes have been out of control and spouting political indoctrination since back in the 1970s...

I would stand up to professors spouting their politics in college, and they would try to bully me.. to no avail...

it never helped my GPA, those professors giving me a C for a grade, regardless of how well my performance was...

classes I didn't have to stand up to professors, (ones who actually taught the course and didn't use at as a political indoctrination forum), my grades were usually an A...

I never understood why colleges didn't fire those types... as they sure were discriminatory to a conservative...

Being a Poli Sci major, our entire department faculty were members of the communist party and this was at a State University! Was a star student and was offered to join the communist party... when I laughed it off and refused, my GPA immediately suffered as always....

but I rated standing up for what you believe and not being bullied by those abusing their job title, was more important than selling out for a GPA reward...

I've always been very pro education but anti Academia....based on their liberal indoctrination...

Besides being radicals, many professors are idiots. I remember one in English Comp. On the 1st day she said she didn't give A's because no one would be up to her standards, whatever that meant. A friend of mine got a B. That was his B for 4 years. It kept him from graduating with a 4.0.

No , Married But Available.

who knows more about Cox than Cox?

I've had it out with several college professors in my time. Sometimes at the bequest of my fellow students.

That was the advantage of going to college when I was in my late 30's and for me being me.

Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at that....

bet that would have been quite a floor show....

I can see ya eating some pantywaste lefty for lunch....

Liberal university professors are as big or bigger problems than the liberal media.

This type of crap is common and needs to be stopped.

the left always gets away with it. Remember that 'journalism' prof at U. Missouri?

That's the truth!!

She was fired from Mizzou but promptly hired by Gonzaga U in Washington State.

Originally the Bitch wanted to charge the two Boys with a "hate" crime and eff up their lives. The school is back pedaling quickly as the story is getting more press.


http://www.bostonherald.com/news/lo...babson_students_a_hillary_clinton_backer

Academia Nuts

Olga Perez Cocks needs to get a clue that the people are fed up with leeches and scurvy like her.

LMFAO! You just can't make up schit like this!

I can't be sure with the info I've been able to turn up thus far, but I suspect this woman is a member of the Perez-Stable family. This is a clan of pro-Castro Communist Cubans whose eldest brother - now a Professor of Medicine at UCSF - was a member of the Maceitos Brigade. This was a group of Communist American college students of Cuban decent who traveled to Cuba illegally in the 1970s to do 'volunteer' work for Fidel and advocated for his 'cause' when living in the USA.

A gang of traitors all, so I'm not surprised at this latest outrage. She needs to go back to the Cuban 'workers' paradise' and teach her BS there. Maybe she would then be sent to Mozambique and ply her internationalist trade in that other shining example of socialist triumph. Anywhere but in the USA is where she belongs.

Interesting. Had never heard of the group. Would make sense with her position on things...I can't imagine the loss those of organizations such as the one you mention must feel. Now this is the kind of thing that could/would/should be investigated and in the 'REAL NEWS'.

For me the greater issue is, do students have the right to record their teachers at any level and then post the stuff on the internet?

Pretty much normal procedure now in high school to expressly state at the outset of the course that you do NOT give permission for kids to record conversations, lectures or events in one's classroom unless specific consent is given at the time.

That being said, if I personally make political statements in the classroom (usually in response to statements from the kids) I am always open to rebuttal.

Any teacher with an ounce of common sense tells 'em to first research the issue, and then make up their own minds.

Birdwatcher

A college student is paying for what he gets in the classroom. It belongs to him and he has the right to display it.

From the link....



Legally, the student doesn't have a leg to stand on, and shouldn't.

Birdwatcher

It's not how I would have handled it.

Education not indoctrination.

Gee, Mom n Dad , look what tuition pays for.


On the other hand, sign up for a course in Human Sexuality?
How's that going to help with a future career?
I don't understand the new generation.

Show me a professor that said anything like that in 2008.

So sensitive>Needs to be in prison and gang raped by a bunch of H O M O `s.

What a crock of shit.

Birdy - I'll have to disagree with you.
One should not expect privacy in a classroom. I would contend that a classroom is a public forum, as it should be.

Gonna agree with Mark here. The instant that an "educator" starts preaching politics in the classroom, that room has become a public forum, with all the freedoms that a public forum demands.

You might be surprised at how the prospect of being recorded stifles EVERYTHING in the classroom.

Whatever the sentiments being expressed, the guy put it out on the 'net. Didn't approach the instructor, the department or even the college dean.

Look, the woman is clearly an idiot, ANYONE who teaches "human sexuality" in college starts out from the default position of idiot and remains there until proven otherwise. Ya, political tirades have no place but....

....the guy pulled an illegal chicken sh&t stunt despite knowing the rules full well going in.

Long as he's prepared to accept the consequences, so be it.

JMHO,
Birdwatcher

Mike, I kind of understand, and somewhat agree, that it was a CS move.

However -

Any gathering of over just a few people is not conducive to privacy.

The 1st Amendment works both ways.

Some who spew BS NEED to be advertised as BS spewers.

Delicate little thing.

The college classroom is a public forum.

Under California Education Code Section 51512, it indeed is illegal for any person — including a student — to use an electronic device to record what is happening in the classroom without the consent of the teacher.

But here is where the matter gets tricky: The teeth in the law really applies only to people who are not students. That is, any nonpupil who is caught recording a classroom discussion without the teacher’s consent can be charged with a misdemeanor.

According to a precedent case in 1999, the answer is yes. In Evens v. Superior Court, Karen Evens, a science teacher at LAUSD, was surreptitiously videotaped by two students. Although reports online are not clear about what the video captured, it’s clear that it depicted some sort of misconduct on the part of the teacher.

The LAUSD school sought to use it as evidence in a disciplinary hearing. Through the teachers union, Evens filed a lawsuit arguing that the evidence was not permissible in court.

Ultimately, the California Court of Appeal ruled against the teacher.

The students, meanwhile, were suspended.

Linky

This rule applies to elementary and secondary schools only.

I have not watched the video. I don't care to watch the video. There is something that I don't quite understand, however, and that is not unusual.

I don't understand why a teacher would be so opposed to having themselves recorded in the classroom.

Law enforcement professionals are increasingly being asked or forced to use body camera devices, along with dash cam video cameras to record every interaction with the public. When this first started, I was among the most vocal, who said that video would completely stifle the product I would be able to provide the citizens of the Commonwealth of Kentucky. In the end, after I had retired as a first line supervisor and then re-hired as a Trooper, I became completely comfortable with the working parameters of being constantly subject to cell phone video and dash cam video.

This professor is being paid by the university to teach human sexuality or some such. Not politics. We ask Law Enforcement professionals to make life or death decisions and enforce statutes impartially and withing the scope of training and accepted policy. Why not educators?

I also want to stress that I mean no disrespect to Birdwatcher or any other educator who my be a member here. Just a question that pops into my head when I skim through this thread.

CT

Tenure. It needs to end and they need to test out and compete for their job just like you do and I did. I had a number of heated talks with my now deceased FIL, a retired teacher, counselor and dean on this very topic. Nothing brings excellence more than being appropriately measured against one's peers/competition.

There certainly was no such thing as Tenure in my profession.

Teach high school much?

Look, it ain't like there aren't any checks in the classroom on teacher conduct beyond videotape. The last thing a teacher needs is complaining parents, administrators are free to conduct random walk-throughs, and kids talk about EVERYTHING, to their parents, other kids, other teachers. There are no secrets in high school, not for long.

Unlike Cops, teachers do not forcibly restrain or engage in physical combat with students as part of their job description, nor are they equipped with the means to deploy lethal force if necessary. Hence while recordings may be a good thing for people on both sides of the law in the case of Cops, they ain't the same thing in classrooms.

Let kids ordinarily sit there and record, and I can guarantee you stuff will get posted on the 'net, and 99.9% of the time anything that gets put out on public media will be either in poor judgement or expressly designed to embarrass a teacher.

Also, because you know everything you say and do can be edited and/or taken out of context, and because every class contains at least one kid with lunatic parents its pretty certain that you WILL be edited and taken out of context at some point and which you will have to take time out of your already packed day to address (12+hr days are usual even as it is) .

Also those same cell phones wont be just aimed at the teacher but WILL also be aimed at everybody else in the classroom; kids asleep and drooling on the desk, unpopular kids to ridicule later, hot girls to ogle etc...

On balance a huge disruption of the learning process.

IME,
Birdwatcher

edited in to add.... FWIW, teacher tenure worth the name to my knowledge does not exist in Texas, nowhere that I know of, if they want you out, you're gone.

If public funding is part of the equation, then that performance is under public scrutiny.

Stifled my azz.

Another veteran high school teacher, welcome!

As a typical high school teacher everything I teach and plan to teach is put out there on the 'net in print for parents to see. All the parents have my cell phone number as that is the easiest way to reach me, they are free to reach me any time, the way it works is if I am awake I will answer the phone.

Parents are welcome in the education process, we cannot succeed without them, indeed they are welcome in the classroom, "shadowing" their kid through the school day.

Besides all of that and the aforementioned lack of secrets in high school, the PA system works both ways, the office can already listen in. I suppose surveillance cameras in the classroom are inevitable, just as they are already in place in the hallways.

OK, given alla that, if you think my objections to kids on their phones filming stuff and recording anything and everyone all through class could be a problem, there ain't much more I can say

Heck, just keeping them from being on their phones 24/7 is a problem as it is.

Birdwatcher

I get the lack of enthusiasm at being filmed while at work. Alas, when taking public money, one has to face public scrutiny.
If being filmed while performing is untenable, you might seek gainful employment in the private sector.

Aye, there's the rub, I ain't actually worked for a living in 30 years

So, put a surveillance system in my room if ya want <shrug>

Meanwhile, send yer own kids to a school where all the kids are free to film everyone and everything, on their phones, all the time. Public scrutiny and all that

I would like to send my kids to a school where the teachers acted like they were on camera all the time.

Until then, my children attend a very good public school. Even in a great district, there are crappy educators.

YMMV.

He posted the video, he did not record the video, so the discussions on whether or not he has violated rules and laws are moot.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5242353128001/?#sp=show-clips

You do know this is about a COLLEGE MAN recording a COLLEGE PROFESSOR, right?

I had a camera, 3 actually and voice recording on me the entire time I drove a bus. That didn't seem to stifle the kids in the least.

Granted, I'm not nor have I ever been a HS teacher. All I did was drive the kids, it's not like I was one of the teachers you read about daily that diddles one of their students.

I'll also say, for the recording, I ain't for recording.

It was a college class and I'd be ashamed to call myself I man if I handled the way they did.

But as already stated, tenure allows them to get away with a bunch of stupid shiet, which it shouldn't.

Good job Josh Martinez way to Out that liByatch!

Teachers bitching about being filmed and recorded, reminds me of the Liberal Democrats of Late.

Bitch and complain about hacked emails, the Russians, the hacking of the emails and then the Russians, but never mention the fact that the Emails were real and the fact that these Liberal Politicians were wrong.

Just like these crying teachers, their complaint is that they were caught, not that they were wrong, so to keep from being caught again we need to pass laws and punish those that caught us.

OF course this comes as no surprise as Teachers are Liberals and think they are special.

You also have to acknowledge that FAR more damage is done to children by parents, by a factor of 1000 at least. Shouldn't we have cameras in every house with children?

Olga Perez Stable Cox is not a professor. She's an instructor, has no tenure and would not be eligible for tenure.





She's a hack.

Further, Orange Coast College is accredited as a junior/community college.

Ya and probably a gps unit on the bus revealing speed and location.
Plus there was likely surveillance cameras on the kids the whole time, same as there is in the hallways.

Riding on a bus is sorta like down time in the classroom, when the kids do indeed break out their cell phones and have at it. Nobody cares, but at those times the no recording without consent deal is mostly for the protection of the kids from other kids.

But lets say we got it done; recognizing the problem of kids using their own phones, how about a visual/audio recording system set up in every class, real time.

Who gets access? Everyone? Whats to stop persons unknown from following your kid throughout the school day?

OK, just parents? A smaller sample size, maybe fifty parents per average classroom. Do we make them take background checks before we allow them to log in? Even given that, do you want forty-nine people you prob'ly don't know and whoever else they let see it watch the rooms your kid is in throughout the school day?

I'm pretty sure that storing video recordings requies a huge amount of memory, so just audio recordings, compiled in the school, but accessible to individual parents upon specific request. Fair enough, that sounds doable.

Ok, in an average high school with 2,000+ students, you're gonna be inundated with requests, mostly about stupid crap by the same stupid subset of parents wanting to get their delinquent little Johnny off of the hook. Which means you are going to need extra staff to administer the recording library, and maybe extra lawyers on the district payroll to handle frivolous lawsuits

Will all of this give a significant advantage over the fact you already got twenty-five eyewitnesses to whatever goes on in the classroom?





What? You're gonna catch that on camera? Recall that every classroom has about twenty five eye-witnesses already.

JMHO,
Birdwatcher

Easy enough to catch 'flirting'....

The potency of eyewitness in the face of government and quasi-government institutions is greatly diminished.

My experience has been different.

In a high school the the first face of "government and quasi-government institutions" an aggrieved kid and their parents encounter is a high school administrator. Other kids and their parents will be called in, questions asked, statements recorded.

Trust me, ANY time a kid may have a legitimate grievance, potential attorneys for the complainant are already circling, blood in the water, looking to settle out of court with the district.

The administrator's problem is that he/she is tasked with keeping the school running smoothly, the ultimate responsibility of protecting the kids lies with them, as well as protecting the district from lawsuits. Add that to the fact that the whole school already knows everything due to the active gossip network (said network enormously enhanced since the invention of cell phones and group texts).

Besides the teacher, the adminsitrator WILL recieve a supaena and have to testify under oath.

Then there's the awful occasions the local TV stations show up with cameras, looking to interview kids as they leave the campus (nothing we can do about that).

Under those circumstances its pretty hard to lie yourself out of anything, the best course is to go full disclosure, cooperate with law enforcement, fire the teacher if called for.

IME,
Birdwatcher

Are these teachers unionized?

No, I don't teach High School and don't pretend to.

It would seem to be beneficial for a school, school district and the individual teacher to have the classes taped for their own protection against complaints of various and sundry types.

There are teachers' unions in Texas, mostly what they provide is legal insurance IF you are right, to the best of my knowledge none of them can keep you in a job. Most districts around here have been hiring on repeating annual or two-year contracts for years, even with the career teachers and administrators in their employ.

I have been lucky so far in that they haven't yet found it cost-effective and/or morally-justifiable to unload older, higher-paid teachers like me in order to replace us with younger, lower paid teachers.

In this regard it helps if you make yourself otherwise valuable to the school through extracurricular activities with the kids, and if you teach in the big city where many teachers don't want to work.

Fer example I hear that up in New York State where they have unions and automatic tenure after "x" number of years, what districts commonly do is hire new teachers and then let most go before they qualify for tenure.

Birdwatcher

It's my impression that you're the exception not the rule.

I think that all classrooms should be video taped during class.It protects the students and the teachers and should be part of the teachers evaluations.Most College professors never teach a class.They have some low paid TA do it while they are chasing grants.

Apparently, at least according to Tucker Carlson's show. the college is going to back the professor in attacking the student, and expelling that individual.


A lawyer has stepped up and is offering to represent the student pro-bono. I hope they can get a fair trial and show the professor for what she is.


It won't do any good, since the college is supporting the "teacher", that whole campus is tainted, but maybe the kid can get his money back and go to a decent school.

No, he just tries to act like the exception on here.

rat…..Just saw this on Tucker. Man he's tearing 'em up tonight. He ripped into that first looney bin and his stance on Trump.

But onto the OP…Tucker begged students to send more videos like this. Now we're going to see the good stuff. Wait and see!!

And Jennifer Rubin---OMG!! She could study for her PAP test and flunk it.

If you're talking lack of tenure, I'm pretty sure that's the way it is across most of the South. But then , I've never tried to get a teaching job anywhere else.

We get a lot of teachers down here either couldn't find work up north because of declining enrollment in systems top-heavy with tenured teachers or who were hired for a few years up there but then got let go right before they'd have to give them tenure.

Birdwatcher

Based on your posts, the most apt description I've read of you on here was "rude and cowardly insults".