I started posting on this forum a few weeks ago in hopes of getting some info that would allow me to decide whether to get a .22 or a .17 HMR, and what scope to go with the rifle. I used to own a Marlin Model 60, and have fond memories of having hunted with my grandfather and my uncles.

After weeks of letting my perfectionist tendencies get the better of me, and examining the details of various .22s and .17s, I decided to get a CZ 455 22LR, but not now.

I live in Connecticut. I'm sure many of you already know where this is going. In addition to a hunting license, ($28), I need to take ANOTHER firearms course to buy a certificate that will allow me to purchase a gun and/or ammo. This will be about $280 total, and must be renewed every five years at a cost of about $100, in addition to the cost of a new hunting license every year. As of February of this year, or governor has proposed increasing fees associated with all of this by another $25.

Having had my car struck by a car driven by a drunk illegal alien several years ago, and suffering a dislocated spine as a result, I have spent most of my savings on medical bills. I thought that I could tighten my belt and spend a few hundred for a nice bolt action rifle, something I've always wanted, but that won't be happening. I simply cannot afford to spend close to $1,000 to hunt a few squirrels.

As a silver lining to all of this, I know that the state will not be receiving any licensing fees from me in relation to all this.

Happy hunting to all of you, and thanks for all of your advice. I won't be seeing you in the field.

EDIT: I might be mistaken in having to take a second course at a cost of $180 (which would have brought the cost of everything to about $280 for the certificate) according to "Mike S" who posted on the second page. The other fees stand, however. This is much easier to deal with if I only have to pay an additional $100 instead of an additional $280.

All of this still rubs me the wrong way though. This legislation was rammed through after Adam Lanza went on his deranged killing spree. The powers that be took advantage of the fear in the state to pass what otherwise would not have passed.

That they want to milk people further for fingerprinting fees is just insulting. There's no other word for it.

Ever hear of U-Haul?




Clark

Schidt. Even California ain't that bad. Yet.

Tough deal.
Can you move or transfer from that God Forsaken state?

Better read california rules before jumping.

Sorry. Hope this can be taken to court on the second. Imagine having to buy a license to print a newspaper for all the "if it..........." people out there.

I didn't realize Conn was that bad, it goes on my list of places to never visit.

Hope you are in a position where you can move.

I'd buy the gun out of state and screw the course & certificate.

Living like that isn't even really living.

It's just existing.

Sorry you are in that. Hopefully enough of you can vote your way out.

You sure can't shoot your way out.

That reads like a page from the Gulag Archipelago.

Sorry to hear of your situation carved.

I take it you did not have uninsured motorist coverage then?

Do you have to do the same schidtt for an air gun also?

Sure the hell does!

To the OP,

You've just done exactly what they wanted you to do, give up your right.

Fuqkem! Move out of that POS state and buy your rifle and go hunting!

Either move or practice civil disobedience. The fight is now, not later.

Perhaps an airgun will do until you move to another state.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537

http://www.network54.com/Forum/622572

I'd be visiting a gun shop in another state, and heading home with 5,000 rounds of 22 also.

Find a buddy with an old one, pay cash..you have owned for decades.

CA is trying to get that licensing BS going, NEVER, they just made a criminal out of me, [bleep] them, I have reached my limit.

That's because the same people who controlled the Gulag are the same, ideologically, who control Conn., and many of the eastern States. Same in Calif., Oregon, and Washington.

L.W.

Read your post twice. All I got was "I live in a rogue state treasonous to the laws of my country". Did I miss something? JFC, needing to register, and license, to buy a gun is just wrong.

But let this be a lesson to any that come here and espouse "common sense" gun laws.

Feel bad for you. But it sounds like a creative guy like yourself may have a 'grandfather' clause. I'll bet you could turn up that old Marlin (maybe some others you forgot about). Do the communists your neighbors voted for control those too, since you already 'own' them?

If not, like 'flave said, call Uhaul and GTFO.

Life's to short, and to much freedom with just a move across state lines, to live under such law.

Sure sounds like your rights have been infringed on to me. What is next to go? If I was you, it would be me.

You need to maintain a hunting license to own firearms in Conn?

Carved, this^^^.

Squirrels are delicious and one must develop good hunting skills such as accurate shooting, stalking and vision. The most important aspect is spending time in the outdoors focusing on something refreshing and enjoyable as Davey Crockett or D Boone did.

I have to hunt. I have no choice in the matter. I am a hunter.

carved.....your post is depressing, man.

You're sure welcome to come hunt my 200 acres in Iowa, all September and half through October. We've got a few 22's for you to use, take your pick. Pick your ammo too.

We also have a cabin you're welcome to use for the duration of your trip.

We've got the biggest squirrels in the country, no matter with these forum city-slickers say.

All for the cost of a non-resident small game license (and conservation stamp).

A local gunshop has a barely used 455 LUX for $275. Been thinking about it, much as I do not need it.

Consider yourself invited. PM if you're interested. We'll get back within a few days.

You don't need a course you need to apply for a long gun permit. It is $35. Or a pistol permit. Nothing here costs $1000 yet.

I think he was including the cost of his potential new rifle.

Ok so we are talking $35 plus the cost of the gun. Doesn't sound insurmountable to me.

Hey guys, thanks for all the well-wishes. There has been quite a bit of kindness expressed in this thread.

Mike: I guess you know what you're talking about, if you're in CT also. Maybe I misunderstood. I was on the phone with the CT gov, read some of the CT general statutes, was on the phone with the NY gov, several retail stores in NY, a retailer in CT, and tried contacting the ATF without any answers that led me to believe that I wouldn't have to take the additional course.

Any way, the cost is not $35. At the very least, it's $101.50 according to the DEEP web page. The cost is $35 + fingerprinting fees. If this is all that's required, you're right, it certainly isn't insurmountable. I was of the impression that in addition to applying for the certificate, a course averaging $275 was needed also.

As for several things that were asked/mentioned:
-I had UI coverage. I won't get into the ins and outs of the case, but it was very complex. It was one of those "whatever could have gone wrong, did go wrong" situations that had all sorts of pitfalls including a lawyer that turned out to be a drug addict. Connecticut is the world capitol of insurance companies. Laws here favor them.
Like I say, there was a LOT that complicated the case immensely.

-As for "giving up the right", I agree with you in principle. I had decided in the interim between originally posting and now that I would be getting an air rifle, and would eventually be paying for the right to own a firearm, even if it might take a while.

-You do not need a hunting license to maintain ownership of a firearm. In the past, if you had a hunting license or a pistol permit, you could purchase a long gun by simply walking into a store. If you lacked either license, you needed to wait two weeks. To get a hunting licence, a free course had to be taken. The license was good for a year. If it was allowed to lapse for more than five years, then the course needed to be retaken. I think, though I'm not certain, that currently a license can be allowed to lapse longer than five years without needing to retake the course, since records of having taken the course are now computerized.
-Mike Werner, your post was very kind. I sent you a PM.

How do they handle muzzle loaders? Original style flintlocks and squirrels just seem to go together. Lots of fun there.

I'd send a copy or your original post to the NRA legal division and see if they'd like to make an example of it in court. That doesn't sound constitutional to me.

Thanks. Please let me know if you hear anything.

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Regarding muzzle loaders, I don't know. I'm curious now. This hadn't occurred to me, but I'll certainly check it out.

I would gladly start a fund to help you with the costs to hunt. If we had a few guys pitching $25 each it would be a done deal. I'll start if we can get enough to cover your costs.

I'm with Travis, U-Haul the fkcu outta there. Move west, young man. mopve west.

what about buying from a private seller?

Suggest to ones legislatures that all jump through the same hoops to vote there. They'd never stand for it.

You are a good man MikeWerner !!

We're all good guys here on the fire, ' cept of course fer a few old sore heads and a dimocrap or two corcksuckers.

Armslist baby, local guy and cash under the barrel...new gun

^^^^^

Get you a used pre 2010 marlin micro-groove rifled short barrel auto and with a good scope you can pick big flies off fresh cowpiles at 25 yds. Costs about 350 max.

Thats with a scope.

LMAO.

Is your IQ shrinking by the day?



Dave

^^^Welcome to Texas^^^



Dave

I'm really surprised at how much warmth and kindness has been shown in this thread. As truly generous as this is, there's no way I could, in good conscious, accept any money from anyone for this.

At the time I started this thread, I was fuming, and just needed to blow off some steam. I'm lucky in that I will be well fed with or without hunting. I could not accept money from someone simply to pursue a hobby.

Again, this is incredibly generous of you. I must decline though.

So when you accepted a gun from Seafire, did you tell him his IQ was shrinking?

You really are a complete jackass, but that's no surprise to me at all.

For perspective consider these two scenarios.

1. You could be a MA resident.

2. You could be Paul.
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Lotta Safariman-style clues here.

Screwball2 bit.

Mike,
If you have woodchucks in Iowa, I'd like to book the second half of July and all of August.

Can we start a poll?

Who thinks Paul is gay?

The only thing that threw me was his objection to having nuts buried in his back yard.

I never "accepted" anything from Seafire.


Dave

He's confusing you with that big black drug dealer from Red Robin.

I smell collusion.




Dave

It's either that or bad pussy.

sounds infringed to me

Come on! Let him be a man. Don't try to take that away from him.

.22 mags can be sent if it helps.

Go kick Bernie's wife in the balls. You'll feel better.

Move if at all possible!

I guess living under oppression is more attractive than moving.

WHAT?

I swear to GOD that is not me! I'll guarantee you there would be big bloody holes in them squirrels if it was.

And for the record I have never ever buried my nutz in anyones backyard.........The backyard is exit only!

You're still a jackass.

And you're still overweight.





Dave

You do know that this is their goal. Eh?


U-Haul, man.

Why people happily allow their rights to be taken away and pay taxes to those taken their rights is beyond my comprehension.

I'll never buy a gun again!

That'll teach 'em!





Clark

Fireball,

You're still a dumb fugk.

Didn't want you to think anything changed since yesterday.




Love,
Clark

Dumbfuques like me sure feel better knowing you're on the front lines keeping those foreboding Canadians from invading. My hat's off to you sir.

Remember when you PM'd me your phone number?

LMAO.

Freak.




Dave

You need to look into Air Rifles. They are not regulated like firearms and if all you are looking for is a .22 - then performance is not far off if you get a quality gun. Or move.

Maybe all of the above.


Seriously, we are not talking your childhood BB gun here. Modern .177 and .22 air rifles are easily the equal in quality and accuracy to the finest rimfire firearms. Plus, you can shoot in your basement or down the hall, no licensing, no BS, MUCH less expensive to shoot. Educate yourself.

CT, NJ, NY, CA, Mass, all Liberal "utopias". I call them sh@t holes!

I can only imagine all of the brave men & women that fought, and gave their lives in 2 WW's, Korea, Vietnam, etc., ROLLING IN THEIR GRAVES, thinking: I gave my life for this bullshit!?

Sad.

That is one sad state of affairs and I feel bad for you, your guys in CT, and actually for all who treasure liberty. Come by here and I'll give you a nice used .22 - or bring you one the next time I go through New England.

This is almost sig line material.

You related to Gus?

Travis- "Hey, you there! Stop right there! Down on your knees! Down on your knees! Hands behind your back!"

Canadian-"Eh"

Travis- "Don't give me any sheit dirtbag! I'll make you wish you were never born, do you hear me scumdog?!! I saw you sneaking across the border."

Canadian-"Beauty day, eh?"

Travis-"Did you just make a pass at me dirtbag? Do I look like your sister Canuck? Down on your knees, NOW!"

Canadian-"I, uh, don't know what you're talking about man. I'm just standing here."

Travis-"Don't push it dog musher! I've been watching you all day, who do you think you're talking to?!"

Canadian- "Tic Tac?"

Carved
You need to move down here where we are still free to own and shoot guns. The cost of living is a lot less here too,mostly because there's nothing much to do except hunt and fish. It's pretty much heaven out of the major cities. You don't want to be in any city.

You need to move to a free state.

I don't know what any of that means, but I'll play along.

Fireball's Wife - "My husband is a lazy piece of schit. He fathered zero of my children."

Gettin' warm?

LMAO.



Dave

Clearly.

I'll never understand the aversion people have to moving.




Dave

Of course you don't. With a name like Frost you must have gotten teased a whole bunch as a kid. Sorry about that.

Anyone remember those dumbass Coors commercials? "We are them, and they are us."

Friends, family, employment, are always the excuses
Priorities is why people continue to live where they do.

Look who turned them into sh@t holes. It is sad indeed, when all those who did all that, along with those who fled Germany before WWII, who fled Cuba while the gettin' was good, who fled Hungary in 1956, who managed to slip from eastern Europe through the Iron Curtain and other world-class chitholes , all came to America and truly appreciated what America was. Seems that as the older generations die off we lose some of that freedom loving, independent spirit. There's too many young snowflakes running around now who would gladly vote themselves into living in a communist/socialist dictatorship. I've been saying for years that there's a lot of people rolling in their graves. But every year there's more of 'em in the grave or in a nursing home where nobody listens to them. This whole country is changing; not just in the socialist states as opposed to the free states. Demographics change slowly and NY STATE, where I live was once extremely pro-2A. Not NY CITY; that toilet may as well be a foriegn country. But as the older generations die off things change. All you guys who think you live in a gun friendly state better realize that things change slowly... A tiny bit at a time. They slip a little in here and there and by the time you start realizing it, then it's too late. I'd say ask those who fled Hitler, Communism, Castro, etc. about it. They could tell you all about that sort of stuff. But all the ones I knew growing up are all busy rolling in their graves right now. Along with my dad, (U.S.N. WWII) and his dad (Canadian Machine Gun Corps WWI). And I was once a young Marine on my way to Vietnam in the spring of 1970 until Pres. Nixon announced the troop reductions. The way this country is getting (especially on 2A stuff) I hope I'm not gonna be rolling in my grave someday....... O.K....Rant over.

I don't know what any of that means either. You seem to swing and miss a lot.

Is that why your wife told us you're a lazy POS?




Dave

I would say,

If I was you, you would be me.

There's some genius in there.

I just renewed my handgun permit. 70 bucks for 5 years.
No need for a "long gun permit" or BS "ammunition permit".
OP should get a Handgun permit and he can buy all the .22s he wants.

THAT.... ASAP. And it gives CT the silent 'fickle finger of fate' - which they so RICHLY deserve..

I'd move. Then buy a truck load of .22's.

O.P. here with an update.

First, some background: All this changed in 2012 when Adam Lanza killed a bunch of kids in Sandy Hook, CT. The people were in a state of shock and grief, and the democrats rammed through this legislation as fast as they could. What's surprising, is that people that previously held hunting licenses were not grandfathered in. When the legislation first went through, not a single person in the state could buy long guns or ammo. Everyone that wanted to do so needed to wait to be approved for the certificate. Think about this. You can imagine the effect this had on retailers. There were sporting goods stores that sold a variety of things, not just long guns, that cleared their shelves of the guns and moved them into storage for a period of time!

As for moving, maybe some day. As an average citizen, I don't have the luxury of disrupting my entire life in protest of this issue. To those suggesting that I simply move, how long would it take you to pack up your things and leave your state if this sort of legislation was passed there tomorrow?

Anyway, regarding the update: Legally, I cannot purchase firearms and ammo in any state so long as I remain a resident of CT. A federal law stipulates that the gun purchasing laws of a resident apply to the resident regardless of which state he enters. A source is at the end. What's perhaps most ridiculous about all this is that I paid for a background check and fingerprinting a few months ago for a professional license. However, this is not good enough in the eyes of the state. I need to have ANOTHER background check and fingerprinting done. The fingerprints are stored electronically! They can be transferred from one computer to another. Why in the hell would I need to get another set taken?

I picked up a cheap air rifle. It will at least allow me to practice shooting. I will be contacting my state rep and inquiring about the double fingerprinting, but don't anticipate making any progress, as I've found from past experience dealing with the state over procedures that violate logic. If/when I find that the rep can't do anything, I'll probably get the certificate sooner than later, before the fees increase even more. I'll post an update when something developes.

Source: 18 USC 922 (b)(3)
(b) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver—
(3) any firearm to any person who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, does not maintain a place of business in) the State in which the licensee’s place of business is located, except that this paragraph (A) shall not apply to the sale or delivery of any rifle or shotgun to a resident of a State other than a State in which the licensee’s place of business is located if the transferee meets in person with the transferor to accomplish the transfer, and the sale, delivery, and receipt fully comply with the legal conditions of sale in both such States (and any licensed manufacturer, importer or dealer shall be presumed, for purposes of this subparagraph, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, to have had actual knowledge of the State laws and published ordinances of both States), and (B) shall not apply to the loan or rental of a firearm to any person for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes;

That was my opinion, too!