Trump's finally got it right. Just REPEAL it.

They need to repeal all of it, then stay the hell out of it, we don't need nannies for healthcare, all the gimmedats need to go to work like we do and buy their own damn coverage.

Shame on you. Don't you know it's the government's job to take care of you...whether you like it, or not?

And why does .gov oversee two ponzi schemes, SS and healthcare, the same stuff they locked ole madoff up for?

Uh, no and no.

And lets not mention the insider trading perks, ho lee crap we've a lot of work to do.

They need to figure out how to make it much cheaper, or they wont have to worry about the majority of people buying insurance, because they simply cannot and wont. In my view that is a straight repeal along with taking away some previous restrictions, and adding tort reform If I sign a paper stating I wont sue, my health care and subsequently my insurance should be a lot cheaper than someone who reserves the right to sue for any and all grievances real or perceived.

According to the latest stats the average mortgage is $309,200 with a 30 yr payment of $1,494 in monthly principal and interest. That is way higher than the average mortgage around here yet I know people that are paying well over $1000 per month for insurance, not to mention astronomical deductibles. People cannot afford to carry TWO mortgages. There is an end and a limit to it and many I know are near that end of being able and willing to continue paying.

One of the.biggest flaws with our constantly changing political system is the tendency of new blood to fix stuff that ain't broke, just for the appearance of doing something.

Yup, but, we still need to get rid of a lot of the " do as we say, not as we do" crap up there.

A lot of the newly elected fight for the right doers are quickly subdued by windfalls of magically appearing greenery.

That too.

Exactly. The very first law that should be passed is one where every Government worker from top to bottom has to live with the same laws. No exceptions. The second law should be that the law be enforced on all equally. Anybody shown favoritism should be treated harshly along with the law makers and enforcers that abetted that. miles

if the GOP can't get the balls to even take away the illegal taxes, you think they will ever have the votes to just dump the ACA? I think not.

Agreed.

But - they've been voted in THREE times in order to repeal it, and they won't.. They've lied to us repeatedly re: O-Care in order to get elected and they won't do it..

Know why? Because repealing it would relinquish a big part of "gov't control" and NO (repeat NO) politician will ever voluntarily give up control of the minions..

Of course, there could be other reasons - that they're so inept, naive, incompetent and feckless that they CAN'T repeal it... They're so bad that they remind me of a fictitious football team that takes the field. The other team never shows. And yet the first team uses 3 downs and STILL has to punt the ball..

Total repeal isn't going to happen without at least 8 Democrats supporting it.

Senate rules require 60 votes to invoke Cloture (end a filibuster), before it can be brought to the Senate floor for a majority vote.

That's one of the reason for this half assed peace mean proposals over the past several months. The Senate had to keep the proposed bills under the guide of Budget Reconciliation where it only takes 51 votes as BR bills do not require 60 votes to invoke Cloture.

...and NO the nuclear option used to confirm Gorsuch does not come into play. The NO has been invoked for Judicial appointments and I believe cabinet position, Not legislation outside of Budget R.

Wonder how many lobbying checks have been written by the insurance industry in the last 6 months?

that is not totally true. Senate rules can be changed, and there is a long history of dhimmicrats changing the rules to suit their agenda.

This is simply not true.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option

No long history, it has only been used twice. Once by Reid in 2013 and once by McConnell in 2017.

Trump is tweeting that the Senate needs to change the rules, McConnell says NO.

It's a done deal, it will take 60 votes to repeal.

They don't need 60 votes to get rid of the 60 vote rule......if so Harry Reid wouldn't of been able to change the Senate rules on Judges confirmations as there were only 53 democrats in the Senate at that time. There is nothing stopping the Republicans from going Nuclear with a simple majority rule if they so chose to.

The first thing that needs to happen is for Congress to pass a law that THEY have to use 0/care; then all the problems discussed above would be solved pronto!

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The Senate must go to a 51 vote majority instead of current 60 votes. Even parts of full Repeal need 60. 8 Dems control Senate. Crazy![/i]

McConnell has said he will not change Senates rules to a simple majority. It's a done deal.

As President Trump tweeted, 8 Democrats control the Senate.

Doesn't change what I posted. They need 60 votes for a full repeal under the current rules. They don't need 60 votes to change that rule, but McConnell wont do it.........YET. I'm betting if they've exhausted all options it might come to that.

Yep
And SS was not a Pozi scheme until the corrupt thieves we elect stole all the money for them selves.

I don't hold out much hope OCare will be repealed or replaced. We have 40% of the American public on the gov't tit and sucking hard. Even though it is the right thing to do for America, it is political suicide, and the gutless, cowardly lawyer/politicians don't have the cahones' to do the right thing. All they want to do is get re-elected.

Can anyone say Term Limits? 2 terms max, then go be productive.

Current Senate rules mandate that 60 senators -- three-fifths of the 100-member Senate -- must agree in order to end debate and move forward to a vote on a measure or piece of legislation -- a process known as invoking cloture.


The Senate, however, has invoked the so-called "nuclear option" in the past to get certain nominations -- most recently of note Supreme Court nominee Neil Gorsuch -- through the Senate by a simple majority vote, but there is currently no method for doing so with legislation.

Republicans have instead opted to try to pass tax reform and health care through a process known as reconciliation, which applies to budgetary measures and only requires 51 votes. The process allows lawmakers to vote on critical pieces of the health law without giving Democrats a chance to filibuster, but in turn it places large constraints on members -- including limiting debate to only 20 hours and only using it to change laws that are scored by the Congressional Budget Office, which means those that cost money or are implemented as taxes.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, has emphatically stated he is against changing senate rules to initiate a nuclear option for the legislative filibuster.

"The core of the Senate is the legislative filibuster," McConnell told USA Today in April. "This notion that this (changing the filibuster rule to confirm Gorsuch) somehow bleeds over into the legislative filibuster is untrue. I'm opposed to it ... I think that's what fundamentally changes the Senate."

The only way, but I'll not hold my breath.......

As I have said before; Why repeal? They keep claiming that obamacare is in a death spiral so let it die. Give us a free market system with insurance available across state lines and tort reform and let the free market system work.

Leave obamacare hanging around the democrats necks and give the people a choice of obamacare or a free market system. Isn't America all about having the freedom to choose?

Who in their right mind would call something the "core of the senate" when it's sole purpose is to PREVENT the senate from moving to a vote, which is their job. Vote on the damn things, yes or no, period. Holding a majority hostage simple because you can't win is ridiculous.

Yep.

Then leave it the hell alone.

Deregulate all the BS insurance company lobbyist rules they have and let the competition take care of what you pay.

Even if they did all that tomorrow, it would take the healthcare industry years to recover from the damage socialized gov't healthcare has done.

If you want more gun control, change the senate rules to require 51 votes. If you want even more government spending, change the senate rules to require 51 votes. I'm no fan of that idiot McConnell. A plan should've ("should of" for the morons) been developed over the past 8 years and could've ("could of" for the morons) been by a group of junior high kids. Jeez, what a bunch of jerks we have in the House and the Senate. Make no mistake, their prior votes, both in the House and Senate, were only for show previously. They knew President Obama would veto and they knew by their arguing for repeal they would be held in good stead with their voters. Also, they all assumed Hillary Clinton would be the next President. For these reasons they drug their feet rather than developing an alternative, market based approach bill that could and would pass.

Also make no mistake,

The will be no legislation passed in the US Senate 1) if the rules are not change, 2) If the republicans are not able to gather the 8 votes in 2018 needed to invoke Cloture.

Without a rule change nothing Trump will be passed before 2018.

After the 2018 elections, the same will hold true unless the Republican gain 8 seats.

The Trump Train has been stopped dead in it's tracks thanks to 8 Democrats and McConnell.

Trump might as well spend the next 3 1/2 years playing golf in FL.

Not any more
We will do as they tell us to do or suffer the consequences

Until we can kick everyone of the corrupt bastids out that is the way it is going to be.
And with a Population begging to be taken care of instead of taking care of them selves we will never be able to get rid of the problems in gooberment.

Of course not, but at least Trump finally changed his appeal to Congress.

It's sure not looking good for us. The left has castrated the republican party. OUR supposed party has no balls.
I glad I'm old but I'm sure not happy for my kid and grandkids. They'll certainly not have the once great country that I grew up in.

Mainly, only liberal dimocraps would be pissed if it were repealed. Talk of its repeal has been a big vote getter for Rs. Hard to believe they would fear losing liberal votes for repeal more than losing R votes to keep it. I guess they think the voters who put them in office will stick with them, regardless.

Rush is now saying Mcconnell has decided to go for repeal as of today.

Now he says hot news is that 3 Rs have said they would vote against repeal.

Here, here..........................yes, yes & yes.

Get on with business; piss on the minority; majority rules.

Oooops, not in the senate.

MM

Hah.. Those 8 Dems control the entire GOP!! I've never in my life seen such a bunch of weak-tit, worthless, pitiful group of politicians so lacking in balls.. All they wanna do is keep their comfy seats and get re-elected... Work for US??? ROTFLMAO..

What a SURPRISE!!! I'm SHOCKED, I tell ya - SHOCKED!!!

I'd love it.

I'll believe it when I see it.

There is also a risk of losing the Senate to the liberals if we don't get a health care Bill passed that involves Democrats. We have a new dependant class of Americans that need (real or imagined) Obama care or something resembling it.

Can you imagine Diane feinstein as the chair of the judiciary committee?

Looks more like 3 republicans control the senate. But hey, blame the dems if it makes you feel better.

There is no majority in the senate. There are three minorities, and it looks like the dems own the plurality.

Dream on......

That has as even less of a chance of happening than term limits on congress.

The problem is that in order to deal with tax reform the health insurance issue needs to be resolved - they are one in the same thanks to the taxes of Obamacare. It's a nightmare for those working on this. They will have to take another run at this in the very near future. I don't see anything changing. What's going to change? At least 3 republican senators (all women) have come forward to say they aren't going to vote yes on a straight repeal, and I'm sure there are 10 others behind them feeling the same way but too afraid to speak up at this time.

I have been saying this all along, just let it implode...

100% right.

But now, 3 GOP bitches are saying they just cannot support straight repeal, putting them 1 vote under 50 needed. And of course this won't be a surprise to many here, they supported a straight repeal when it was a token vote under Obama that they knew would get vetoed- fugking cowards.

It really doesn't matter if three republican (women) senators refuse to vote for total repeal, without the 60 vote cloture votes needed to hit the floor, they will never have to actually vote on it as it is dead even without them.

Looks more like 3 republicans control the senate. But hey, blame the dems if it makes you feel better.
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Didnt they lie and foist this abortion on us?

I actually agree with this, controlling the Congress with a sitting President and can't do [bleep]...looking to blame someone else for being ineffective and ball-less

Why not, the Democrats forced it down our throats with a simple majority?

Because they know they'll lose their cushy jobs.

That point can certainly be made....

They lied like rugs - all headed by the Liar in Chief, that pos Obama.... And that little a-hole from NV changed the rules to allow a simple 51 vote and PRESTO!!!! O-Care is here to stay...because the GOP is fractured, weak, ball-less and - at the same time - down deep really wants this gov't control to continue...

I pray I'm wrong..

obongo care is like a badly wounded bear in the brush, the trees [demotards/rinos] prevent quick shots to finish it off, but, sitting tight and watching, death will come to booth regardless.

I apologize to the rest of the nation. One of the senators is ours, but I can promise you she didn't get elected with my vote

Daddy gave her the job, when he was governor. POS genes at work

And I apologize to the rest of the nation because I have lifetime health care for life from an old job that I don't even work [active] at anymore, that chit isn't fair to the folks having to work with obunghole care either.