Just watched the local news, out of Nashville, and the weatherman gave the daily highs and lows. Seems the record high for the day was 75.......back in 1949. Guess that means that global warming was taking place then. Al Gore was in diapers back in 1949.
I got hold of an almanac prepared for businessmen in the early 19th Century, detailing everything they would need to know about Cincinnati and southern Ohio. It was a fairly complete little book, and did a fairly honest portrayal of what was growing into a major western transportation and manufacturing center.
One thing discussed was climate. Listen, the polar icecaps might be melting. The polar bears might be dying. I don't know. One thing is for sure, that little book had Cincinnati weather spot on. This was in a day where folks still did not think about degrees to discuss temperature, so the descriptions were qualitative and anecdotal. However, the weather in Cincinnati has stayed fairly constant for the bulk of western European settlement.
I have heard the Hudson's bay Company required their "factors", managers, to keep records on most everything, including weather. back in the 1880's there were big swings in the weather.
Of course, where would the incentives to increase taxes be if there was no, "Climate Change"?
Most people anymore are too stupid or ignorant to understand what "climate" is, and confuse it with "weather". The weather always changes, of course, and climate is just a pattern of weather over time, for a geographical area. There are no hard definitions for how long a weather pattern exists before it becomes the climate. In my thinking, climate tends to be patterns within patterns, so cutting off graphs at non-random places can indeed show certain trends are occurring. I can say that anyone with a background in science will tell you that manipulating data is actually criminal in some circumstances, and just plain unethical and non-scientific all the time.
Anyone with a background in science SHOULD be able to tell you that we can't actually know if the climate is changing, because it is not being studied scientifically. Data is being selected, not collected, then manipulated, not analyzed, using models that do not reflect reality in any way, with the intent to create evidence for a preferred hypothesis. Frankly, I think it is all horseshit propaganda, and that the stupid, ignorant masses don't know reality when it smacks them in the face with a 2x6.
If you have the opportunity, watch the video....it’s pretty amazing!
Thought some of you may find this story interesting. My wife’s mother ( with 7month old and pregnant with another) was stuck on a train ( coming back to Wyoming from Oklahoma)for several days during this event. There is lots of coverage on this.....devastating for several surrounding states! memtb
At one point, a glacier huge enough to gouge out the Great Lakes covered all of Canada and well down into what is now the US more than a mile thick. If you look closely, you may notice that the glacier in question is not there now. It started to melt some 25,000 years ago, and it was gone by 10,000 years ago. Now think hard - what causes ice to melt?
Yes, students! It was climate change. The atmosphere is still warming, and will continue to do so until it starts back down to start the next glacial era. When will the peak occur? Nobody knows. Has it hit already? Maybe, but nobody knows.
The glacial era mentioned above was only the most recent one. There have been at least dozens and perhaps hundreds of previous glacial eras. Warm to ice to warm takes something like 100,000 years each time. This is not something we can measure in terms like "all the way back to 1949" or even in centuries.
More to the point, these cycles take place WITHOUT US. We have nothing to do with it.
On another thread here a few days ago, the Sahara desert came up. Over many millenia, it's alternated between green and dry. It's in a dry spell now but it will green up again. We won't be around to see it, though. When it's dry, it affects the weather world wide because of the dust it puts in the air.
Just watched the local news, out of Nashville, and the weatherman gave the daily highs and lows. Seems the record high for the day was 75.......back in 1949. Guess that means that global warming was taking place then. Al Gore was in diapers back in 1949.
Well of course its global warming...
Al Gore is back in diapers now...
The diapers and Al Gore together is something causing global warming...
Change is the only constant in this universe and thinking otherwise is silly. The cause(s) of climate change are probably above the pay grade of mankind but that has not deterred the left from using it to support their agenda. That said the issues that are significant will leave a mark on humanity and one of those is sea level rise. Florida is already experiencing some of this and I forecast terrific snapper fishing around the Miami Beach Reef. In about 10,000 years. +/-
At one point, a glacier huge enough to gouge out the Great Lakes covered all of Canada and well down into what is now the US more than a mile thick. If you look closely, you may notice that the glacier in question is not there now. It started to melt some 25,000 years ago, and it was gone by 10,000 years ago. Now think hard - what causes ice to melt?
Yes, students! It was climate change. The atmosphere is still warming, and will continue to do so until it starts back down to start the next glacial era. When will the peak occur? Nobody knows. Has it hit already? Maybe, but nobody knows.
The glacial era mentioned above was only the most recent one. There have been at least dozens and perhaps hundreds of previous glacial eras. Warm to ice to warm takes something like 100,000 years each time. This is not something we can measure in terms like "all the way back to 1949" or even in centuries.
More to the point, these cycles take place WITHOUT US. We have nothing to do with it.
Well remember Rock...
The Global warming crowds are the same people that want to legalize the dope they've been smoking for the last 50 plus years for some of the older ones...
This vid was shown on British TV several years ago. You'll never see anything like it here in the States. Climate Change, or Global Warming, whatever you want to call it, is nothing but a worldwide agenda for wealth redistribution. 7mm
Nevertheless, average temperatures are rising even though daily temperatures vary. We know that glaciers are melting and sea levels are rising. such melting can only be caused by rising temperatures. Why they are rising is debatable, is it climate change, global warming or natural fluctuations?
Pueblo, Colorado set a record yesterday by hitting 74 degrees, matching the record set in 1928. Of course, the members of the Church of Climtology started screaming "CLIMATE CHANGE!"
Except doesn't this simply prove it was just as hot 89 years ago?
Nevertheless, average temperatures are rising even though daily temperatures vary. We know that glaciers are melting and sea levels are rising. such melting can only be caused by rising temperatures. Why they are rising is debatable, is it climate change, global warming or natural fluctuations?
Climate change is real. "Man Made Climate Change" is complete BS. The Earth is in a warning trend, as are Mars, Venus and Mercury. The facts don't lie. But climate scientists are pretty much funded by government grants, and those who deny man made climate change find themselves getting less than those who support the agenda. 7mm
Do you all deny what doctors tell you as well? Just curious - if you want to flee science, it seems like you should flee it entirely. No medicine, no surgery - hell - no medical help at all! No internet. No phones. No cars. No tractors. No guns. All brought to you by science. Then again, oil companies aren't creating FUD for those other technologies, so nothing there for you to fall for. :-/
Do you all deny what doctors tell you as well? Just curious - if you want to flee science, it seems like you should flee it entirely. No medicine, no surgery - hell - no medical help at all! No internet. No phones. No cars. No tractors. No guns. All brought to you by science. Then again, oil companies aren't creating FUD for those other technologies, so nothing there for you to fall for. :-/
Oh, would you be asking about the American Medical Association? You know, the gifted scientists that brought us Low-Fat Diets when the only thing backing them was the Dairy Industry's desire to pimp milk after all the good stuff (that sells without effort) is taken out? Or the one that kills more people daily than drunks driving? Or the one that pushes programs that have left the US well out of the top 50 countries in areas like pediatric mortality? Or any of the others...
A Terrifying, Deadly Storm Struck Idaho In 1949 And No One Saw It Coming Idaho, with its tumultuous geology, diverse weather regions, and abundant scenic beauty is no stranger to the darker forces of nature and nor the impacts of its human residents. In 1910, the Big Burn ravaged Northern Idaho, the product of a grueling summer storm. In 1976, the Teton Dam collapsed, devastating the eastern part of the state. But Idaho’s storm of the century created a winter disaster that was just as unexpected and deadly, the most intense seen since the 1800s, and far more brutal than any other weather-related event seen since. In 1949–a mere two generations ago–an unprecedented cold snap tore through southern Idaho, virtually isolating the southern half of the state for weeks and shutting down the economy for a month. But low temperatures are only part of this chilling story.
Much more with several pictures in provided link..
Look at the graph. 5 hot zones and 4 ice zones in the past 420,000 years. They can follow these cycles back 800,000 years. Im thinking the dinosaurs were driving too many cars.
A Terrifying, Deadly Storm Struck Idaho In 1949 And No One Saw It Coming Idaho, with its tumultuous geology, diverse weather regions, and abundant scenic beauty is no stranger to the darker forces of nature and nor the impacts of its human residents. In 1910, the Big Burn ravaged Northern Idaho, the product of a grueling summer storm. In 1976, the Teton Dam collapsed, devastating the eastern part of the state. But Idaho’s storm of the century created a winter disaster that was just as unexpected and deadly, the most intense seen since the 1800s, and far more brutal than any other weather-related event seen since. In 1949–a mere two generations ago–an unprecedented cold snap tore through southern Idaho, virtually isolating the southern half of the state for weeks and shutting down the economy for a month. But low temperatures are only part of this chilling story.
Much more with several pictures in provided link..
Things never stay the same, and that includes the climate, or the weather, ever how you choose to label it. It runs in cycles, and always has, always will. I've heard the old folks talk about the bad winters in years past, and the hot summers as well. I've read the weather records for our area, and the record temps and precipitation are always in the period before the "experts" told us we were having climate change.
That was my point in starting this thread. Just about all the weather records occurred years ago, and yet we are told that it's hotter now, and drier, or wetter, or whatever bullchit the "experts" can come up with. There is no doubt that regardless of what our weather does, these people will spin it to their desired conclusion. They're not really interested in climate change anyway, as much as they're interested in finding an opportunity to use it to promote their liberal agenda.
Never seem to see the Experts provide any real sort of perspective. From my amateur seat, it appears that the occasional volcano or meteor strike has had a far more dramatic effect on global affairs. Were you to review much of the same literature from the late 60's and 70's, many of these very same expert institutions were sure we were heading into a period of global cooling. AND, we were nearly out of oil. I'm so confused.....
A Terrifying, Deadly Storm Struck Idaho In 1949 And No One Saw It Coming Idaho, with its tumultuous geology, diverse weather regions, and abundant scenic beauty is no stranger to the darker forces of nature and nor the impacts of its human residents. In 1910, the Big Burn ravaged Northern Idaho, the product of a grueling summer storm. In 1976, the Teton Dam collapsed, devastating the eastern part of the state. But Idaho’s storm of the century created a winter disaster that was just as unexpected and deadly, the most intense seen since the 1800s, and far more brutal than any other weather-related event seen since. In 1949–a mere two generations ago–an unprecedented cold snap tore through southern Idaho, virtually isolating the southern half of the state for weeks and shutting down the economy for a month. But low temperatures are only part of this chilling story.
Much more with several pictures in provided link..
Dad remembered the winter of 49 here in SW Idaho, and talked about it numerous times.
I was born in '48 so I was only a few months old during that storm. My parents had a lot to say about it over the years. We lived in Payette, a tiny town on the OR border.
About that bicycle...I looked it up. Campagnolo invented the front derailleur in '48. Their rear derailleur had been around for a while. It's possible that someone got their hands on one in time for that storm.
By MN standards, the big storm of '49 was ho hum. However, it's what you're prepared for. A storm like that in so. Idaho just doesn't happen so they weren't equipped for it. Even today, most towns down have snow plows. It's hard to justify the expense for 1 or 2 6" snowfalls each winter. A foot of snow here will only happen once every 2 or 3 years. We've only been below 0 a few nights in the last several years. When I was a kid in Boise, maybe in the late 50's or early 60's, we had a couple weeks of -20. It caused all kinds of havoc but it hasn't happened again in over 50 years.
Born in 1949 I believe I have seen the climate change, could the atmospheric nuclear testing that was going on back then have had an effect on global temps and weather conditions.
Nor were some of the others. Look at the lock on the bike! nobody locked a bike to a sign post back then, and they sure as hell didn't have kryptonite locks to do it with.
Nevertheless, average temperatures are rising even though daily temperatures vary. We know that glaciers are melting and sea levels are rising. such melting can only be caused by rising temperatures. Why they are rising is debatable, is it climate change, global warming or natural fluctuations?
Just watched the local news, out of Nashville, and the weatherman gave the daily highs and lows. Seems the record high for the day was 75.......back in 1949. Guess that means that global warming was taking place then. Al Gore was in diapers back in 1949.
Yeah, but the socialists were already busy weaving their lies.
Almost everything you watch on tv any more will have certain buzz words: carbon footprint, greenhouse gases, etc. They have the public totally convinced that anything that puts CO2 in the atmosphere is a bad thing.
Just watched the local news, out of Nashville, and the weatherman gave the daily highs and lows. Seems the record high for the day was 75.......back in 1949. Guess that means that global warming was taking place then. Al Gore was in diapers back in 1949.
The average [temperatures have risen by several degrees, thus promoting ice melt and rising seas. Daily temperatures are immaterial to the long-term acerage
Before I was born - 1949. I saw on memtb's post, the map showed the blizzard dipping into New Mexico enough to catch the town I was born in, and Dad's ranch. The town is sort of protected - where the ranch is exposed - it sits on a mesa SE of Raton Pass - just a few miles. As the corrals sit at 8100 feet altitude, and there are almost no trees - blizzard takes on a whole new meaning. Just south of the corral, a windmill sits in a deep draw - I once saw the snow up to the center of the wheel. 27' tower, IIRC.
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