This is a damn shame,...sounds like 7 people have been shot. I graduated from Heath High School where one notorious shooting took place back in '97. Marshall county is only about 40 miles west of Paducah where Heath is located.
What is wrong with people? What makes them do this?
What is wrong with people? What makes them do this?
The snapping of the American mind by the lieberals.
What is wrong with people? What makes them do this?
The snapping of the American mind by the lieberals.
Their parents never beat their ass when they were kids. And all those damn participate trophy !
What is wrong with people? What makes them do this?
The snapping of the American mind by the lieberals.
Their parents never beat their ass when they were kids. And all those damn participate trophy !
That's part of it. A big part, likely.
The snapping of the American mind by the lieberals. [/quote]
+1
How old is the shooter? Student?
What is wrong with people? What makes them do this?
The snapping of the American mind by the lieberals.
Their parents never beat their ass when they were kids. And all those damn participate trophy !
I doubt that never violently aggressing against children produces violent children, particularly when all the research existent points to the opposite. You guys who imagine that beating a child is somehow effective to produce anything other than a broken adult piss me off.
What does it teach the child? Let's see... Violence solves problems. It is perfectly justifiable to use violence to get someone to submit. You are free to attack someone if they have no recourse. It is perfectly for that bully to beat you, because he can. You should beat your kids, because that produces healthy adults. If you don't submit to authority, you will face physical assault. Aggression is fine, as long as you can get away with it. Those are a few things that come to mind.
Yep, keep beating your kids, idiots. It will make us more free as a nation, and more peaceful as a society.
A girl that I had in my Sunday School class attends that school. It's in a pretty conservative area. Hard to believe why someone would do that.
It's all over the local news here, although it's a couple hundred miles west of here. Not too many details have been released yet, however. One has been confirmed dead and two have been transported to Vanderbilt medical center in Nashville by helicopter,....which is a bad sign because there's some good hospitals much closer in Paducah.
One event is anecdotal for anything to be linked. We will have to see what shakes out.
However and IMO, the diminishing role of the father in the family structure is the main factor in the cultural rot we see today. This was largely caused by the welfare state where Uncle Sam became the new bread winner. For statists, it’s a good start to convince people that government provides everything. If your belly has always been filled by government, you probably will never examine the consequences of it.
What is wrong with people? What makes them do this?
The snapping of the American mind by the lieberals.
Their parents never beat their ass when they were kids. And all those damn participate trophy !
I doubt that never violently aggressing against children produces violent children, particularly when all the research existent points to the opposite. You guys who imagine that beating a child is somehow effective to produce anything other than a broken adult piss me off.
What does it teach the child? Let's see... Violence solves problems. It is perfectly justifiable to use violence to get someone to submit. You are free to attack someone if they have no recourse. It is perfectly for that bully to beat you, because he can. You should beat your kids, because that produces healthy adults. If you don't submit to authority, you will face physical assault. Aggression is fine, as long as you can get away with it. Those are a few things that come to mind.
Yep, keep beating your kids, idiots. It will make us more free as a nation, and more peaceful as a society.
You need some perspective. For all of America's history, and the worlds, until around the 60's corporal punishment was widely accepted, except by progressive lieberals who were an emerging plague that now seeks to destroy this country with it's vile valueless foolishness. In those days prior to the 60's, God was a part of American life and not a part to be hidden or ashamed of. So was hard work, common values, and things such as communism, homosexuality, and abortion were all to be avoided. Then comes liberalism, socialism and all the vile lies they drag along with their America hating selves, and also teach us how to discipline our children, primarily so the kids will lack respect and values themselves. Well, it worked thanks to short sighted people like you who choose to believe the lies of the left, which are primarily straight from the pit of Hell. Maybe you are a part of that "movement". You've certainly bought into one if it's biggest lies.
The Bible itself, said an undisciplined child will be the death of his parents and that discipline needed to come in the form of a rod to their backside. Now, I employed such measures in the discipline of my kids because I loved them and wanted them to be respectful with solid values. In that I was successful, but it didn't mean I had to bring harm to them. I used a thin dowel rod that stung, but did not leave marks or cause any bruising. Neither did I do so out of anger, or without conversation as to the why for the spanking and when we were finished I held them and loved on them, reminding them of why this had to happen, until they were calm and understood. Today they still understand the need for spankings and have expressed gratitude I took the time and trouble and even risk (only due to lieberal lies) to discipline as I did.
A girl that I had in my Sunday School class attends that school. It's in a pretty conservative area. Hard to believe why someone would do that.
I can't imagine the social pressures these kids are under these days and frankly I'm not surprised that more don't resort to violence. 40 years ago if there were issues with bullies, classmates, team dynamics etc. you went home and were able to separate and clear your head and hopefully discuss with your parents or a close friend on the phone (and I mean a phone attached to a kitchen wall!
) or in person. Now with 24x7 connectivity the issue follows them and builds and they can never escape it without cutting themselves off from whatever support network (out of the home anyway) that they have. Combine that with the relentless TV, movies, ""news" media that shows violence as a means out you can see where it leads.
Very sad. No one will come out ahead here.
What is wrong with people? What makes them do this?
The snapping of the American mind by the lieberals.
Their parents never beat their ass when they were kids. And all those damn participate trophy !
I doubt that never violently aggressing against children produces violent children, particularly when all the research existent points to the opposite. You guys who imagine that beating a child is somehow effective to produce anything other than a broken adult piss me off.
What does it teach the child? Let's see... Violence solves problems. It is perfectly justifiable to use violence to get someone to submit. You are free to attack someone if they have no recourse. It is perfectly for that bully to beat you, because he can. You should beat your kids, because that produces healthy adults. If you don't submit to authority, you will face physical assault. Aggression is fine, as long as you can get away with it. Those are a few things that come to mind.
Yep, keep beating your kids, idiots. It will make us more free as a nation, and more peaceful as a society.
You right, time outs and "please johnny don't do that again (for the 3rd time) works"
go to any store and watch kids running around with parents telling them to stop.
Then think about years ago when you got your a$$ tore up, in the store, in front of everyone. Then tore up again when dad got home from work.
Some people do not know the difference between spanking and beating. When most people say beat their ass they are actually talking about a spanking. Some kids need it and some do not. My stepdaughter should of had her ass beat but it did not happen. Now she is a worthless druggie. My daughter never even needed a spanking. Two different individuals. Oh by the way she is a chef. Ed k
No God, no Heaven, no Hell, no Right, no Wrong- just Satan and School and MSM saying "Do what you want to do".
I believe that anyone under the age of 18 does not need a cell phone.......even though that cell phone may indeed serve a useful purpose. But, that cell phone and social media creates many more problems than it fixes. I see these teenagers that are constantly texting, and I am not stupid, because I was a kid once, and all of it is not harmless.
It starts with parents, but in today's word, few people actually want to be parents. They'd rather leave that responsibility to someone else, so they can be free to live their lives accordingly. Parents let the kids have a phone, so they can have a way to get in touch in case of an emergency, but it rarely works that way.
A cell phone has helped me out numerous times........but you know what......I got along okay in the years prior to having one. I just didn't know how handy they were. They are a tool........very good if used for their intended purpose, not so good if that use is abused.
Bottom line, as far as I'm concerned......get our kids of off social media and we'll have much better kids.
What is wrong with people? What makes them do this?
The snapping of the American mind by the lieberals.
Their parents never beat their ass when they were kids. And all those damn participate trophy !
I doubt that never violently aggressing against children produces violent children, particularly when all the research existent points to the opposite. You guys who imagine that beating a child is somehow effective to produce anything other than a broken adult piss me off.
What does it teach the child? Let's see... Violence solves problems. It is perfectly justifiable to use violence to get someone to submit. You are free to attack someone if they have no recourse. It is perfectly for that bully to beat you, because he can. You should beat your kids, because that produces healthy adults. If you don't submit to authority, you will face physical assault. Aggression is fine, as long as you can get away with it. Those are a few things that come to mind.
Yep, keep beating your kids, idiots. It will make us more free as a nation, and more peaceful as a society.
Spanking NOT beating no one is/was suggesting beating kids .
There is a big difference in beating and applying discipline. I still remember the paddle when I was a kid. It was not done in anger, with malice, or cruelly. At times a time out or grounding did as well.
I have had friends of my kids who have been kicked down stairs, given black eyes, had welts that bled. That is not discipline, it is assault.
Hate to see another school have this. Despite where the saying originated; it takes a village (actually a community with common values that knows the others). That is lacking in today's mobile society.
What is wrong with people? What makes them do this?
The snapping of the American mind by the lieberals.
Their parents never beat their ass when they were kids. And all those damn participate trophy !
I doubt that never violently aggressing against children produces violent children, particularly when all the research existent points to the opposite. You guys who imagine that beating a child is somehow effective to produce anything other than a broken adult piss me off.
What does it teach the child? Let's see... Violence solves problems. It is perfectly justifiable to use violence to get someone to submit. You are free to attack someone if they have no recourse. It is perfectly for that bully to beat you, because he can. You should beat your kids, because that produces healthy adults. If you don't submit to authority, you will face physical assault. Aggression is fine, as long as you can get away with it. Those are a few things that come to mind.
Yep, keep beating your kids, idiots. It will make us more free as a nation, and more peaceful as a society.
You need some perspective. For all of America's history, and the worlds, until around the 60's corporal punishment was widely accepted, except by progressive lieberals who were an emerging plague that now seeks to destroy this country with it's vile valueless foolishness. In those days prior to the 60's, God was a part of American life and not a part to be hidden or ashamed of. So was hard work, common values, and things such as communism, homosexuality, and abortion were all to be avoided. Then comes liberalism, socialism and all the vile lies they drag along with their America hating selves, and also teach us how to discipline our children, primarily so the kids will lack respect and values themselves. Well, it worked thanks to short sighted people like you who choose to believe the lies of the left, which are primarily straight from the pit of Hell. Maybe you are a part of that "movement". You've certainly bought into one if it's biggest lies.
The Bible itself, said an undisciplined child will be the death of his parents and that discipline needed to come in the form of a rod to their backside. Now, I employed such measures in the discipline of my kids because I loved them and wanted them to be respectful with solid values. In that I was successful, but it didn't mean I had to bring harm to them. I used a thin dowel rod that stung, but did not leave marks or cause any bruising. Neither did I do so out of anger, or without conversation as to the why for the spanking and when we were finished I held them and loved on them, reminding them of why this had to happen, until they were calm and understood. Today they still understand the need for spankings and have expressed gratitude I took the time and trouble and even risk (only due to lieberal lies) to discipline as I did.
Prezactley RickyD ! And a great post from a great parent that actually gives a schitt about his kids, raising them in a loving disciplined home!
I'd bet your children also say yes mam & yes sir, please, & thank you! I'd also bet they have never shot someone, robbed a store, or raped anyone, either.
" ...Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin announced there was a shooting before others confirmed it and urged caution. He later encouraged people to show love.
“Much yet unknown…Please do not speculate or spread hearsay…Let’s let the first responders do their job and be grateful that they are there to do it for us.”
Bevin released a statement at 10:59 a.m., saying that “this is a tremendous tragedy and speaks to the heartbreak present in our communities.”
“It is unbelievable that this would happen in a small, close-knit community like Marshall County,” he added. “As there is still much unknown, I encourage people to love on each other at this time. Do not speculate, but come alongside each other in support and allow the facts to come out.”
Bevin is on his way to Marshall County, where there will be a press briefing at 1 p.m., KSP said. "
Sounds like Kentucky has themselves a good Gov.
A girl that I had in my Sunday School class attends that school. It's in a pretty conservative area. Hard to believe why someone would do that.
I can't imagine the social pressures these kids are under these days and frankly I'm not surprised that more don't resort to violence. 40 years ago if there were issues with bullies, classmates, team dynamics etc. you went home and were able to separate and clear your head and hopefully discuss with your parents or a close friend on the phone (and I mean a phone attached to a kitchen wall!
) or in person. Now with 24x7 connectivity the issue follows them and builds and they can never escape it without cutting themselves off from whatever support network (out of the home anyway) that they have. Combine that with the relentless TV, movies, ""news" media that shows violence as a means out you can see where it leads.
Very sad. No one will come out ahead here.
Yep, imagine if EVERY awkward moment in high school we had back then could be and often was circulated among hundreds of our peers on social media, in an environment where virtually every kid pays at least as much attention to their smart phones as they do reality.
Look how much time we here all spend on the 'net, and we are grownups, I didn't even have an electronic calculator until college, let alone a bottomless internet with web pages celebrating and suggesting dark deeds.
Furthermore suppose your own dark deeds could be played out to an audience of potentially millions, don't we all remember a kids named Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold? Columbine was more than 18 years ago.
Throw into that the general and ongoing decline of stable marriages and old-school parenting.
All it takes is literally one kid in a million to flip.
I don't know "the cause", and maybe every case is different, but I gotta think all of the above contributes.
Either bullying or mental illness.
Sounds like Kentucky has themselves a good Gov.
Best in a long, long time.
Sounds like Kentucky has themselves a good Gov.
I believe we do, RickyD.
Sounds like Kentucky has themselves a good Gov.
Best in a long, long time.
I was not a huge Bevin fan, even though I voted for him. His background was a little too fuzzy for my liking, but he has done a very good job, unlike a long line of crooked Democrat governors.
Most people will go to great extremes to avoid severe pain. Singapore has found the application of pain through whacks with a cane to be quite an effective deterrent to bad behavior.
Their cops dont have to kill many suckers. It would probably cause a lot of these cowards to accept their lot with much more humility and could probably save a lot of AA dimocraps from prison and worse.
Of course, lieberals would not want us breaking the spirit of murderers such as the one who did this.
What is wrong with people? What makes them do this?
The snapping of the American mind by the lieberals.
Their parents never beat their ass when they were kids. And all those damn participate trophy !
All these plus too damn much prescribed meds for kids!
"That young boys running through the yard and has a stick in his hand for a gun saying poww poww poww" "HOLY FUGG WE GOTTA MEDICATE HIM" that's not normal, he'll need counseling too!
Constant violence on tv, games, etc., no effective home discipline(liberals), and a general lack of accountability and thought for consequences while growing up( back to spankings....)
New Fox News report just now 2 dead & 19 wounded, 14 of which were from gunshot wounds. From pics, shooter appears to be a white male. They stated he was 15 years old, but not yet saying he was a student there.
Prayers for the victims and their Family's !!!
Regardless whether good or bad upbringing, how can you ever really know which kids, or grown ups for that matter, could turn out to be 'bad seeds' and of those how far they might go on impulse or planned out?
I know I've seen kids who were brought up "right" turn out to be nothing but endless trouble and kids who were raised in literal hell home environments turn out to be good, respectful, law abiding citizens and great parents,
Man,...this is a bad one. They just announced 19 hurt, 2 dead.
I can't imagine what's going on down there to cause 2 of these situations in 20 years. That's the area I grew up in and you wouldn't think that it would create an environment that would make kids go off like this. It's just very typical working/middle class mostly rural America.
It's been a long time since I lived down there, but it's not very different than any rural area you care to mention.
New Fox News report just now 2 dead & 19 wounded, 14 of which were from gunshot wounds. From pics, shooter appears to be a white male. They stated he was 15 years old, but not yet saying he was a student there.
Prayers for the victims and their Family's !!!
Unless things have changed from when I was a kid, the shooter has to be a white male. Marshall County had (and I assume still has) a minority population of Zero.
Yes, Prayers from here also.
My Mom lives in Benton and she texted me earlier about this
I believe that anyone under the age of 18 does not need a cell phone.......even though that cell phone may indeed serve a useful purpose. But, that cell phone and social media creates many more problems than it fixes. I see these teenagers that are constantly texting, and I am not stupid, because I was a kid once, and all of it is not harmless.
It starts with parents, but in today's word, few people actually want to be parents. They'd rather leave that responsibility to someone else, so they can be free to live their lives accordingly. Parents let the kids have a phone, so they can have a way to get in touch in case of an emergency, but it rarely works that way.
A cell phone has helped me out numerous times........but you know what......I got along okay in the years prior to having one. I just didn't know how handy they were. They are a tool........very good if used for their intended purpose, not so good if that use is abused.
Bottom line, as far as I'm concerned......get our kids of off social media and we'll have much better kids.
Excellent.
Marshall County had (and I assume still has) a minority population of Zero.
Yeah,....I recall that it was notorious for that when I lived down there.
I believe that anyone under the age of 18 does not need a cell phone.......even though that cell phone may indeed serve a useful purpose. But, that cell phone and social media creates many more problems than it fixes. I see these teenagers that are constantly texting, and I am not stupid, because I was a kid once, and all of it is not harmless.
It starts with parents, but in today's word, few people actually want to be parents. They'd rather leave that responsibility to someone else, so they can be free to live their lives accordingly. Parents let the kids have a phone, so they can have a way to get in touch in case of an emergency, but it rarely works that way.
A cell phone has helped me out numerous times........but you know what......I got along okay in the years prior to having one. I just didn't know how handy they were. They are a tool........very good if used for their intended purpose, not so good if that use is abused.
Bottom line, as far as I'm concerned......get our kids of off social media and we'll have much better kids.
Excellent.
For the life of me I can't imagine why any school board would ever allow students to take their cell phones into locker rooms and bath rooms where various states of undress are the norm and expected but apparently some (many?) do.
What is wrong with people? What makes them do this?
The snapping of the American mind by the lieberals.
Their parents never beat their ass when they were kids. And all those damn participate trophy !
dilly dilly
What is wrong with people? What makes them do this?
The snapping of the American mind by the lieberals.
Their parents never beat their ass when they were kids. And all those damn participate trophy !
I doubt that never violently aggressing against children produces violent children, particularly when all the research existent points to the opposite. You guys who imagine that beating a child is somehow effective to produce anything other than a broken adult piss me off.
What does it teach the child? Let's see... Violence solves problems. It is perfectly justifiable to use violence to get someone to submit. You are free to attack someone if they have no recourse. It is perfectly for that bully to beat you, because he can. You should beat your kids, because that produces healthy adults. If you don't submit to authority, you will face physical assault. Aggression is fine, as long as you can get away with it. Those are a few things that come to mind.
Yep, keep beating your kids, idiots. It will make us more free as a nation, and more peaceful as a society.
If you stick your hand in a fire and it don't hurt, what is reason not to do it again ?
I spend a lot of time in an airline. If I had a dollar for everytime I heard a parent say " I don't know why he /she is acting like this, they never do it at home". Horseshidt. You play like you practice. If little Johnny rules the roost at home, what makes him an angel in public. Friggin Morons. I swear, you should have to pass a test to have kids.
I read this on another site, lots of truth in it.
"Wanna know why there were almost no school shootings 50 years ago? Violent kids were sent to reform schools and crazy kids were sent to a state run mental hospital. Antisocial behavior had sever consequences"
I read this on another site, lots of truth in it.
"Wanna know why there were almost no school shootings 50 years ago? Violent kids were sent to reform schools and crazy kids were sent to a state run mental hospital. Antisocial behavior had sever consequences"
Probably a lot to that statement. I also believe that the increasing violent video games that kids constantly play these days desensitizes kids to violence and gun violence in particular. Hard to believe, but most kids know more about very specific firearms and their operation due to the highly detailed video games than I do about a lot of different handguns on the market today.
What is wrong with people? What makes them do this?
The snapping of the American mind by the lieberals.
Their parents never beat their ass when they were kids. And all those damn participate trophy !
I doubt that never violently aggressing against children produces violent children, particularly when all the research existent points to the opposite. You guys who imagine that beating a child is somehow effective to produce anything other than a broken adult piss me off.
What does it teach the child? Let's see... Violence solves problems. It is perfectly justifiable to use violence to get someone to submit. You are free to attack someone if they have no recourse. It is perfectly for that bully to beat you, because he can. You should beat your kids, because that produces healthy adults. If you don't submit to authority, you will face physical assault. Aggression is fine, as long as you can get away with it. Those are a few things that come to mind.
Yep, keep beating your kids, idiots. It will make us more free as a nation, and more peaceful as a society.
There are a lot of specific scenarios in the above that I am not agreeing with (beating vs spanking, free to attack someone when you dont like them/their opinion, etc), but...
Anyone who tries the bunk of saying "Violence does not solve problems", has never been right and won a fight. Pure and simple. It (violence) most certainly DOES solve some problems, and in a very good, final way.
Many times, that bully WILL beat you if he can, and he won't give a crap what you have to say about it. Take it to him and I bet he, at the very least, will think twice about using you as a target. In my experience, they are more likely NOT to consider you thereafter. There are easier pickings.
I read this on another site, lots of truth in it.
"Wanna know why there were almost no school shootings 50 years ago? Violent kids were sent to reform schools and crazy kids were sent to a state run mental hospital. Antisocial behavior had sever consequences"
Probably a lot to that statement. I also believe that the increasing violent video games that kids constantly play these days desensitizes kids to violence and gun violence in particular. Hard to believe, but most kids know more about very specific firearms and their operation due to the highly detailed video games than I do about a lot of different handguns on the market today.
Agreed. Also, to me, this raises some interesting questions about mass violence back 150-200 years ago. How many mass public shootings were there, back when everyone in the bar, or say, store, or on the street, was packing on their hip, openly?......
This, despite the culture of violence going on all around them (duels in the street, fights/shootings just because someone called you a coward/liar - whether you were or weren't).
I find it hard to justify anything more than perhaps a desensitizing that is brought on by games/tv, but there are waaay more folks using those products - playing those games, watching those movies, than there are shooting people up. Just as the non-violent gun owners vs the few that misuse them.
What is wrong with people? What makes them do this?
The snapping of the American mind by the lieberals.
Their parents never beat their ass when they were kids. And all those damn participate trophy !
I doubt that never violently aggressing against children produces violent children, particularly when all the research existent points to the opposite. You guys who imagine that beating a child is somehow effective to produce anything other than a broken adult piss me off.
What does it teach the child? Let's see... Violence solves problems. It is perfectly justifiable to use violence to get someone to submit. You are free to attack someone if they have no recourse. It is perfectly for that bully to beat you, because he can. You should beat your kids, because that produces healthy adults. If you don't submit to authority, you will face physical assault. Aggression is fine, as long as you can get away with it. Those are a few things that come to mind.
Yep, keep beating your kids, idiots. It will make us more free as a nation, and more peaceful as a society.
There are a lot of specific scenarios in the above that I am not agreeing with (beating vs spanking, free to attack someone when you dont like them/their opinion, etc), but...
Anyone who tries the bunk of saying "Violence does not solve problems", has never been right and won a fight. Pure and simple. It (violence) most certainly DOES solve some problems, and in a very good, final way.
Many times, that bully WILL beat you if he can, and he won't give a crap what you have to say about it. Take it to him and I bet he, at the very least, will think twice about using you as a target. In my experience, they are more likely NOT to consider you thereafter. There are easier pickings.
Amen to that, AK.
Physical violence isn't always the answer - but sometimes it is the only answer that works. Kids should be raised to know the difference between choosing violence and resorting to violence when appropriate. Same for corporal punishment or physical correction. Those who push the "never" idea are just setting them up for trouble ahead.
I doubt that never violently aggressing against children produces violent children, particularly when all the research existent points to the opposite. You guys who imagine that beating a child is somehow effective to produce anything other than a broken adult piss me off.
They always said of the English back in the day that "they beat their children and spoil their dogs"
If this weren't such a somber and sad thread, I'd post a video from the movie "Angela's Ashes" about a kid growing up in Ireland back in the day and getting beat at school, it takes me down memory lane. I grew up in England but we went to an Irish Catholic school run by an order of old-school Christian Brothers. They all carried heavy leather straps, I got beat every week, most all of us did, it hurt. When they closed due to declining enrollment they apologized for their "brutality"
Dunno that it turned anyone "brutal", it was an all-boys school, mostly ya learned pain tolerance, crying didn't help at all
My father was right handed, I recall when I committed an act of egregious (but very funny) vandalism while out and about when drunk at around age 16 and got caught, he knocked me out of my chair with a right hook. I didn't hold it against him, I deserved it.
OTOH I never laid a hand on my son, neither did my sisters and brother on their kids, they all turned out OK, well adjusted and all that.
I will say that as a kid the prospect of getting whupped with a leather strap seemed to focus even the most distracted and hyperactive kids in school, no medication required.
So no, I don't believe beating your kids or not, within reason, produces messed up adults.
The ideal thing for raising well-adjusted kids seems to be two loving parents, and consistent boundaries and values.
JMHO,
Birdwatcher
Another unpopular kid who was bullied??
Many times, that bully WILL beat you if he can, and he won't give a crap what you have to say about it. Take it to him and I bet he, at the very least, will think twice about using you as a target. In my experience, they are more likely NOT to consider you thereafter. There are easier pickings.
Truth.
As the new kid at school, I had to fight four guys during a football game. Not one of them gave me any sheit from that day forward. Kids nowadays are too soft to fight because they're momma's special little boy. Newsflash- life ain't all about your feelings.
Plus, social media= huge problem for kids today. Most of them can't even mumble a sentence in a room full of people they're so glued to their damn devices. Sickening.
Glad I grew up when I did.
What is wrong with people? What makes them do this?
Violent video game addiction and dementia is for starters. Any parents who uses video games as babysitters or let their kids live in the bedroom with them all hours are to blame.
The makers and sellers of these are to blame. They have no redeeming values and only give kids and younger addicted adults a warped sense or reality and death. To them death isn't permanent, just re-boot and start over.
Take it to him and I bet he, at the very least, will think twice about using you as a target. In my experience, they are more likely NOT to consider you thereafter. There are easier pickings.
Been my own
personal experience as well, Bullies are cowards and will always seek the easiest target.
Are you a loser and want to be famous? Just shoot up a school and your name will be a household word. Stop releasing the names. Grind them into mulch and bury them.
What is wrong with people? What makes them do this?
Violent video game addiction and dementia is for starters. Any parents who uses video games as babysitters or let their kids live in the bedroom with them all hours are to blame.
The makers and sellers of these are to blame. They have no redeeming values and only give kids and younger addicted adults a warped sense or reality and death. To them death isn't permanent, just re-boot and start over.
A lot of truth there, Safari. And those same parents who were too damn lazy to spend ANY quality time with their kids, and let them play the violent video games as a fuggin babysitter are just as much to blame, too.
I'll also add that probably many members here, like me, more than likely had a 30-30 Winchester & a 12 ga pump shotgun on the gun rack in their pickup in plain view in the School parking lot, in High School. I also had my Colt Frontier Scout .22 revolver in the glove box as we ran our traps before school every morning in the winter.
And the thought of shooting someone never once crossed my mind. Not once!
And I was a whole lot more scared of what my Dad would do, then the Police Dept, if I got caught doing something stupid with a gun.
Never been much for either beating on kids or even dogs, for that matter. Got mine as a kid,...like many of my generation. I can't see that it had a positive effect. I can't say that I ever sat down with myself and made a decision against it. It's just that it's not in me to do so.
My kids turned out all right,..my dog is spoiled rotten, however.
Oh well,....he's a happy spoiled rotten dog,...so it's okay.
What is wrong with people? What makes them do this?
The snapping of the American mind by the lieberals.
Their parents never beat their ass when they were kids. And all those damn participate trophy !
I doubt that never violently aggressing against children produces violent children, particularly when all the research existent points to the opposite. You guys who imagine that beating a child is somehow effective to produce anything other than a broken adult piss me off. What does it teach the child? Let's see... Violence solves problems. It is perfectly justifiable to use violence to get someone to submit. You are free to attack someone if they have no recourse. It is perfectly for that bully to beat you, because he can. You should beat your kids, because that produces healthy adults. If you don't submit to authority, you will face physical assault. Aggression is fine, as long as you can get away with it. Those are a few things that come to mind. Yep, keep beating your kids, idiots. It will make us more free as a nation, and more peaceful as a society.
You must be rather PO'd because you are writing nonsense. Can you make a distinction between your "violently aggressing against children" (beating?) and parental application of controlled and dispassionate corporal punishment in keeping with the nature of the correction needed and the characteristics/sensitivities of the individual child? If you cannot understand and make that distinction and think/write accordingly, your comments are practically worthless. If you can make such a distinction and reason accordingly, you have betrayed your self as a knee-jerk knot head who doesn't reason before he writes.
You posture as if every parent who applies corporal punishment is violently beating the kid to the result of a bad outcome. That is a dumb posture, because such is not the case. Never have I seen a poster here advocate "beating" a child to the degree of violence, and it is a sign of ignorance - or social violence - for you to pretend such to be the case. Do you really think that you need to tell people here that violence against children does not solve problems? Lest you forget, you are casting your junk before a lot of folks who have carefully, lovingly and very successfully raised a whole bunch of good kids - and who, as parents, strategically applied spankings and other hurts/punishments for good purpose along the way. As a result, they raised people who are now well-adjusted and positive living adults. Such experience means a ton - and is indelible.
Unfortunately, I've had to listen to narrow-minded bleeding hearts like you most of my life. Your "Let's see" list is silly posturing - and there is no credible research which adds up to support for your posture - simply vapid academic imagining. Where did it all go wrong for you? Did your parents truly "violently aggress" against you - have you, as a result, become a violent social misfit/sociopath who is blaming that on your parents - or are you simply a shallow thinking liberal do-gooder who refuses to see how life really works and rails against those who are on the track. Why not think things like this through before going on such a rant, because thinking people won't care how PO'd you are about your delusional constructs.
aside from bullying, a love triangle? and not knowing how to handle it? Jealousy causes adults to do stupid things, so think like a 15 YO.
I read this on another site, lots of truth in it.
"Wanna know why there were almost no school shootings 50 years ago? Violent kids were sent to reform schools and crazy kids were sent to a state run mental hospital. Antisocial behavior had sever consequences"
Probably a lot to that statement. I also believe that the increasing violent video games that kids constantly play these days desensitizes kids to violence and gun violence in particular. Hard to believe, but most kids know more about very specific firearms and their operation due to the highly detailed video games than I do about a lot of different handguns on the market today.
A whole lots of truth. Was talking to a special education teacher and some of her kids are in spec ed due to "behavioral issues", basically little psychopaths that would've been in reform school or expelled 40 years ago but now they're being "mainstreamed" with the normal kids so their self esteem doesn't get hurt.
Agree on the video games, back in the day most kids knew what death was because they with either hunted or grew up on a farm slaughtering pigs or something and families were much more extended so someone was always dying. Now days most of their only experience with death is through video games where hitting reset solves everything. Was amazed that most of my friends kids who are junior high aged and older have never been to a funeral before,
"PHOTO: Marshall County High School Suspect Taken Into Custody."
https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpr...-01-23-at-2-21-09-pm.png?w=328&h=531https://heavy.com/news/2018/01/marshall-county-high-school-suspect-shooter-photo/A photo of a male being taken into custody at Marshall County High School in Benton, Kentucky, has surfaced on social media. According to the Daily Mail, the male in the above photo is the high school student accused of bringing a gun into the school and opening fire. The suspect will be charged with murder and attempted murder.
“[He] was apprehended by a Marshall County Sheriff’s Deputy roughly 15 minutes after the shooting broke out,” Daily Mail reports. The arrest was described as a “non-violent apprehension.”
During a news conference, Kentucky Governor Matt Bevin confirmed that the suspect is a 15-year-old student. Police have not yet released the name of the suspect. A motive is also unclear at this time.
The incident occurred around 8 a.m. local time on January 23. Authorities say that 19 people have been injured, 14 of them suffering gunshot wounds, and two people, both students, were killed. Mayor Bevin confirmed that a 15-year-old girl and 15-year-old boy died from their wounds. The deceased female died on scene, and the deceased male died at a trauma center.
Bevin also said that investigators believe that all of the other victims are students.
I’d not blame “violent video games” per se, it’s pretty common for kids to surreptitiously load versions of Halo and other multi-player combat games onto school networks at play them literally every available minute. I would point a finger at a typical kid’s life now that consists of much if not most of their lives on computers and smart phones, correspondingly losing touch with reality.
OK, here I am on my smart phone but if I were on a computer I could google up an article wherein our troops in Iraq that had grown up online were significantly less able to anticipate where IEDs might be located as compared to older personnel and those few younger troops who had grown up without electronics. Basically the first group was less able to think in three dimensions, treating the windshield of a Humvee like it was a video game. Untold thousands of hours in front of a computer had affected how their very brains were wired.
My own son, 33, narrowly missed all that, but if I was raising a kid today I’d limit their access to both social media and games.
For several years, I taught the teen Sunday School class at our church. One of my girls was living here at the time, but moved to Marshall County and attended the high school where the shooting occurred. We talked to her grandmother yesterday, and she was in the vicinity of the shooting, but was okay. That was a relief to find out she wasn't a victim.
Now, it is hard for me to even begin to try to understand why someone would do this. Such things were not even on the radar when I was in school. The worst things someone could do was to get caught smoking, or flush a M-80 down the commode. Kids who were deemed a "problem" weren't babied, and put on medicine, and allowed to go right along with everyone else.......just because they had "rights." Instead, if they were a big enough problem, they were kicked out of school, or maybe sent to reform school........and most likely before any of that happened, they'd had their little azz worn out numerous times by a teacher or principal, something that usually worked.
Society is mostly responsible for these school shootings, and the way it has evolved. Video games, movies, TV, social media.......all are in a way responsible for the change that's come over our kids. Kids are very, very vulnerable to what they see and hear, and often confuse it as being real......when, of course, it's anything but.
I read this on another site, lots of truth in it.
"Wanna know why there were almost no school shootings 50 years ago? Violent kids were sent to reform schools and crazy kids were sent to a state run mental hospital. Antisocial behavior had sever consequences"
The system wasn't perfect, but was much better than we have now. Half of it seems to have been scrapped instead of being tweaked until it was better.
The schools would just look excellent if the kids you're talking about were removed to the old institutions. Who knows how much better the kids who were left would act too...without all the terrible role models.
So kid ha a handgun and 15 of the injuries arefrom gunshot wounds. Sounds like he had a 100% hit ratio ormultiple mags. News says the police thwarted further injury.
Wondering how they did that.
I read this on another site, lots of truth in it.
"Wanna know why there were almost no school shootings 50 years ago? Violent kids were sent to reform schools and crazy kids were sent to a state run mental hospital. Antisocial behavior had sever consequences"
The system wasn't perfect, but was much better than we have now. Half of it seems to have been scrapped instead of being tweaked until it was better.
The schools would just look excellent if the kids you're talking about were removed to the old institutions. Who knows how much better the kids who were left would act too...without all the terrible role models.
We spend so much time, $, and energy on students with "issues" (social or learning) that advanced students are shorted. I'm not arguing against providing services for special needs but in many cases the focus is on them and other students who have the ability to really shine just slip through and aren't pushed to reach their best. We're growing a garden, but in many cases we're culturing weeds and ignoring the fruit to the point that the weeds are limiting the fruit's growth.
I'll guarantee you that someone in school administration knew this kid was being bullied but did nothing about it because the kids that bullied him had influential parents. At least that's how it worked when I went to school.
I'll guarantee you that someone in school administration knew this kid was being bullied but did nothing about it because the kids that bullied him had influential parents. At least that's how it worked when I went to school.
Well, that's quite a strong "guarantee". It's certainly a possibility, but not anywhere a certainty in my book. Trying to hold the school administration responsible would be low on my priority list - and that's based on "how it worked when I went to school" and also on how the real world works.
The school administration should be focused on great teaching and great learning. Not only should they not have to take in and continue to deal with every emotional/psychological/anti-social freak that enrolls, but, in a school of any size, it is impossible to monitor all such actions that occur day to day and they simply don't have the resources (expertise/dedicated funds/time for task, etc.) to deal with those matters. Parents and peers are big factors.
Granted that it was a long time ago, but as a student and later a K-8 and then HS teacher, I certainly saw attempts to bully from time to time. Rarely, if ever, did such behavior become an issue for the "administration". The other students tended to step in and curtail that stuff if the kid being bullied didn't stand up and put the bully down - which was often the case. I was not a big kid, but learned early on to come back at any bully much harder than he could imagine - and that ended it every time. "That's how it worked when I went to school" and when I was teaching. This is not a school issue - it is a social issue wrought by weak/absent parenting, coddling of young people, and the stupidity of trying to make schools responsible for things they cannot - and should not be expected to - deal with.
This thread is about a yesterday tragedy and I apologize for taking it off that focus - twice now - but this tragedy should not be a vehicle for odd comments apparently made without due thought.
I'll guarantee you that someone in school administration knew this kid was being bullied but did nothing about it because the kids that bullied him had influential parents. At least that's how it worked when I went to school.
Absolutely. If you tell some folks their kid is a bully their next move is to hire an attorney and sue the school for defamation of character. Real or not. School districts hate lawsuits and the system is biased against the school system. I spent 6 years as an SRO and you would not believe how scared some administrators are of parents with money and influence. Until the State comes up with some kind of legal protection against the rich and influential, there will always be bullies in the school. Until then, it's all talk and the school has little choice in the matter.
kwg
I'll guarantee you that someone in school administration knew this kid was being bullied but did nothing about it because the kids that bullied him had influential parents. At least that's how it worked when I went to school.
Well, that's quite a strong "guarantee". It's certainly a possibility, but not anywhere a certainty in my book. Trying to hold the school administration responsible would be low on my priority list - and that's based on "how it worked when I went to school" and also on how the real world works.
The school administration should be focused on great teaching and great learning. Not only should they not have to take in and continue to deal with every emotional/psychological/anti-social freak that enrolls, but, in a school of any size, it is impossible to monitor all such actions that occur day to day and they simply don't have the resources (expertise/dedicated funds/time for task, etc.) to deal with those matters. Parents and peers are big factors.
Granted that it was a long time ago, but as a student and later a K-8 and then HS teacher, I certainly saw attempts to bully from time to time. Rarely, if ever, did such behavior become an issue for the "administration". The other students tended to step in and curtail that stuff if the kid being bullied didn't stand up and put the bully down - which was often the case. I was not a big kid, but learned early on to come back at any bully much harder than he could imagine - and that ended it every time. "That's how it worked when I went to school" and when I was teaching. This is not a school issue - it is a social issue wrought by weak/absent parenting, coddling of young people, and the stupidity of trying to make schools responsible for things they cannot - and should not be expected to - deal with.
This thread is about a yesterday tragedy and I apologize for taking it off that focus - twice now - but this tragedy should not be a vehicle for odd comments apparently made without due thought.
Well then,continue to deny any responsibility and continue to get the same results. We just don't have the time and resources to deal with the anti-social freak that everyone is picking on and making his life a living hell at school until he brings a gun for a little payback.
I'm not justifying anything. I'm just telling it the way it is,and it won't change until we deal with it. Maybe that's not what happened here,but it's looking like it is.
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https://scallywagandvagabond.com/20...y-kentucky-high-school-shooting-suspect/"Marshall County High School shooting: What led to Gabe Parker, a 15 year old Kentucky teen shooting indiscriminately at a crowded school atrium? Two dead, 19 injured"
...Despite authorities not publicly identifying the shooter, a surge of social media posts come Tuesday afternoon began identifying 15 year old band member student, Gabe Parker as the shooter.
**Update: During the course of Tuesday evening, this author received private messages telling of Parker’s father passing away and his mother blaming him, with the youth then taking to social media to express his pain only to be mocked by classmates.
Witnesses told of the 15 year old student gunman initially walking into the school just on 7.57 am, Tuesday, January 23rd, armed with a handgun before opening fire in a crowded atrium.
Following the shooting, Kentucky State Police told of at least 14 people been taken to hospital, some via helicopter, suffering gunshot wounds. Another five were also injured but were not shot. All of the victims are believed to be students....
...Marshall County High School shooting suspect runs out of bullets:
In the aftermath of the school shooting, students described the the ensuing moments as the gunman opened gunfire just before classes beginning, leading to upwards of 100 children running out of the school seeking safety.
‘He was determined. He knew what he was doing,’ a classmate said of the shooter.
Added school girl, Alexandria Caporali, ‘It was one right after another – bang bang bang bang bang. You could see his arm jerking as he was pulling the trigger.’
Another student said: ‘No one screamed. It was almost completely silent as people just ran.
‘He just ran out of ammo and couldn’t do anything else. He took off running and tried to get away from the officers.’
Nine minutes after having started firing off ‘seemingly randomly’ at classmates, Gabe Parker was ‘non-violently’ arrested on just 8.06am.
Following the shooting, the school was placed in lock down with school entrances blocked off by first responders.
Marshall County High School shooting suspect mother throws up:
As parents scrambled to the school, one mother, Heather Adams told via WKMS the moment she realized she was in the company of the gunman’s mother.
Told the mother, ‘I held her hair while she threw up… She needed an ambulance. She was going into shock. And I couldn’t get an ambulance there. I got yelled at by the police for calling for an ambulance… We got a firefighter’s coat to put on her.’
Yea,I would put him down too ,but I would also feel a little bit sorry for him while I did it. Lives wasted and taken that shouldn't have been,including his. I might put down the mother too,if I knew for certain she blamed him for his father's death and contributed to driving him over the edge.
No one more potentially dangerous and unpredictable than someone who believes in their heart that they have nothing left to live for nor any hope their life will ever get better.
I'll guarantee you that someone in school administration knew this kid was being bullied but did nothing about it because the kids that bullied him had influential parents. At least that's how it worked when I went to school.
Well, that's quite a strong "guarantee". It's certainly a possibility, but not anywhere a certainty in my book. Trying to hold the school administration responsible would be low on my priority list - and that's based on "how it worked when I went to school" and also on how the real world works.
The school administration should be focused on great teaching and great learning. Not only should they not have to take in and continue to deal with every emotional/psychological/anti-social freak that enrolls, but, in a school of any size, it is impossible to monitor all such actions that occur day to day and they simply don't have the resources (expertise/dedicated funds/time for task, etc.) to deal with those matters. Parents and peers are big factors.
Granted that it was a long time ago, but as a student and later a K-8 and then HS teacher, I certainly saw attempts to bully from time to time. Rarely, if ever, did such behavior become an issue for the "administration". The other students tended to step in and curtail that stuff if the kid being bullied didn't stand up and put the bully down - which was often the case. I was not a big kid, but learned early on to come back at any bully much harder than he could imagine - and that ended it every time. "That's how it worked when I went to school" and when I was teaching. This is not a school issue - it is a social issue wrought by weak/absent parenting, coddling of young people, and the stupidity of trying to make schools responsible for things they cannot - and should not be expected to - deal with.
This thread is about a yesterday tragedy and I apologize for taking it off that focus - twice now - but this tragedy should not be a vehicle for odd comments apparently made without due thought.
Well then,continue to deny any responsibility and continue to get the same results. We just don't have the time and resources to deal with the anti-social freak that everyone is picking on and making his life a living hell at school until he brings a gun for a little payback. I'm not justifying anything. I'm just telling it the way it is,and it won't change until we deal with it. Maybe that's not what happened here,but it's looking like it is.
There is no denying responsibility and continuation of the current mode will not stop such events. This is a matter not limited to schools - it has happened across many social structures through the ages. In more recent time, the attacks have become more common in schools - which is very sad. But, if police agencies of all sorts (role to protect and serve) have never been able to perform the impossible by preventing various rotten behaviors and terrible consequences in general society, why is it correct to blame school officials whose role is much more benign?
If kids would get off the damn smart phones and social media and get outside riding their bikes, fishing, hunting, these things would stop. It's the constant barrage of social issues brought on by the damn computers and smart phones that contributes the most to this. Kids just can't cope with all the personality issues present on social media. Complete loss of touch with reality.
Get outa the damn house and go do something!!!!
When folks blame guns, we tell 'em to stop blaming the tools, and put the blame where it belongs, on the perpetrator. The gun is blameless......so now you want to blame the phone? No, train the kids right, and stop blaming tools.
I'll guarantee you that someone in school administration knew this kid was being bullied but did nothing about it because the kids that bullied him had influential parents. At least that's how it worked when I went to school.
Well, that's quite a strong "guarantee". It's certainly a possibility, but not anywhere a certainty in my book. Trying to hold the school administration responsible would be low on my priority list - and that's based on "how it worked when I went to school" and also on how the real world works.
The school administration should be focused on great teaching and great learning. Not only should they not have to take in and continue to deal with every emotional/psychological/anti-social freak that enrolls, but, in a school of any size, it is impossible to monitor all such actions that occur day to day and they simply don't have the resources (expertise/dedicated funds/time for task, etc.) to deal with those matters. Parents and peers are big factors.
Granted that it was a long time ago, but as a student and later a K-8 and then HS teacher, I certainly saw attempts to bully from time to time. Rarely, if ever, did such behavior become an issue for the "administration". The other students tended to step in and curtail that stuff if the kid being bullied didn't stand up and put the bully down - which was often the case. I was not a big kid, but learned early on to come back at any bully much harder than he could imagine - and that ended it every time. "That's how it worked when I went to school" and when I was teaching. This is not a school issue - it is a social issue wrought by weak/absent parenting, coddling of young people, and the stupidity of trying to make schools responsible for things they cannot - and should not be expected to - deal with.
This thread is about a yesterday tragedy and I apologize for taking it off that focus - twice now - but this tragedy should not be a vehicle for odd comments apparently made without due thought.
Well then,continue to deny any responsibility and continue to get the same results. We just don't have the time and resources to deal with the anti-social freak that everyone is picking on and making his life a living hell at school until he brings a gun for a little payback. I'm not justifying anything. I'm just telling it the way it is,and it won't change until we deal with it. Maybe that's not what happened here,but it's looking like it is.
There is no denying responsibility and continuation of the current mode will not stop such events. This is a matter not limited to schools - it has happened across many social structures through the ages. In more recent time, the attacks have become more common in schools - which is very sad. But, if police agencies of all sorts (role to protect and serve) have never been able to perform the impossible by preventing various rotten behaviors and terrible consequences in general society, why is it correct to blame school officials whose role is much more benign?
I'm not necessarily putting all the blame on the school officials. I'm saying that there is a very good possibility that many of them knew this kid was being bullied for a very long time and did nothing about it. I say that from my own experience with being bullied in school and having children who were bullied. It happens to most kids at some time or another but if a child is unfortunate enough to, just not fit in,it isn't something that just happens and is a passing event. The isolated passing events that nearly every kid deals with at some time is no big deal and isn't something that school officials can or should be expected to handle. However,when there is a child that for whatever reason is isolated by nearly every one of his peers and bullied or mocked for being different,then it is something that school officials have to learn to recognize and address.
School officials seem to always want to pass responsibility to the parents,and I won't shirk that responsibility,but just take the example of my 14 year old daughter. She is fortunate to be very popular and outgoing and liked by all her teachers. She is a straight A student and top of her class. She plays basketball and volleyball. She is at school from 7am to 5pm every day. She comes home and eats supper with me for a half hour to 45 minuets,does an hour or two of homework,takes a shower and goes to bed. She is involved in school activity for 10-12 hours every day and more on game days. I spend maybe 2 hours with her a day during the week. School and school activities take up the vast majority of her time,yet I am responsible for 100% of her behavior? Does this sound right to you? I think I am a positive influence but if she doesn't have positive influences at school I would be facing a loosing battle since I have so very little of her time. I personally thing schools are more responsible than we think or demand that they be.
When kids start spending 2-3 hours a day at school then I'll gladly place all the responsibility back on the parents.
I'll guarantee you that someone in school administration knew this kid was being bullied but did nothing about it because the kids that bullied him had influential parents. At least that's how it worked when I went to school.
Do we know for sure this shooting was in response to a bullying situation yet?
I dunno we have any influential parents where I'm at, not like that anyways.
Hoo boy! I despise a bully, and will get in the middle of a bullying situation faster than any other.
Birdwatcher
The only real answer is to get your kids out of government schools. Public schools have become very unwholesome institutions. Kids from many different situations are thrown together and there's no way that discipline can be properly administered by those who staff them.
The big inner city schools are so bad that it's punishment to send any decent, serious students into them.
I have a good friend who, many years ago, started a church from scratch. I've attended services there quite a few times and it's a different service. It's almost like attending a seminary. They teach during services and it's geared to, and very popular with young people,...many of them college students.
Several years ago the church instituted a school for grades one through 12. It's very small and very serious. They teach very high level science, math and english courses to the upper grades and prepare the students for college very well.
It's what a school *can* be. But it's so different than what contemporary public schools offer that you can't think of them in the same category.
If it weren't for the brave actions of the police, allowing the shooter to run out of ammo, there's no telling how many kids could have been injured.
What is wrong with people? What makes them do this?
The snapping of the American mind by the lieberals.
Their parents never beat their ass when they were kids. And all those damn participate trophy !
I doubt that never violently aggressing against children produces violent children, particularly when all the research existent points to the opposite. You guys who imagine that beating a child is somehow effective to produce anything other than a broken adult piss me off.
What does it teach the child? Let's see... Violence solves problems. It is perfectly justifiable to use violence to get someone to submit. You are free to attack someone if they have no recourse. It is perfectly for that bully to beat you, because he can. You should beat your kids, because that produces healthy adults. If you don't submit to authority, you will face physical assault. Aggression is fine, as long as you can get away with it. Those are a few things that come to mind.
Yep, keep beating your kids, idiots. It will make us more free as a nation, and more peaceful as a society.
You need some perspective. For all of America's history, and the worlds, until around the 60's corporal punishment was widely accepted, except by progressive lieberals who were an emerging plague that now seeks to destroy this country with it's vile valueless foolishness. In those days prior to the 60's, God was a part of American life and not a part to be hidden or ashamed of. So was hard work, common values, and things such as communism, homosexuality, and abortion were all to be avoided. Then comes liberalism, socialism and all the vile lies they drag along with their America hating selves, and also teach us how to discipline our children, primarily so the kids will lack respect and values themselves. Well, it worked thanks to short sighted people like you who choose to believe the lies of the left, which are primarily straight from the pit of Hell. Maybe you are a part of that "movement". You've certainly bought into one if it's biggest lies.
The Bible itself, said an undisciplined child will be the death of his parents and that discipline needed to come in the form of a rod to their backside. Now, I employed such measures in the discipline of my kids because I loved them and wanted them to be respectful with solid values. In that I was successful, but it didn't mean I had to bring harm to them. I used a thin dowel rod that stung, but did not leave marks or cause any bruising. Neither did I do so out of anger, or without conversation as to the why for the spanking and when we were finished I held them and loved on them, reminding them of why this had to happen, until they were calm and understood. Today they still understand the need for spankings and have expressed gratitude I took the time and trouble and even risk (only due to lieberal lies) to discipline as I did.
Well said!
Forgive me if it was posted, but do we know how he got the gun?
When folks blame guns, we tell 'em to stop blaming the tools, and put the blame where it belongs, on the perpetrator. The gun is blameless......so now you want to blame the phone? No, train the kids right, and stop blaming tools.
Guns aren't interactive training tools, phones and computers are.
Part of training them right is monitoring what goes into their brain. What they do on their phone is totally out of a parents control. All kinds of sick sheit happens on social media and kids don't have the ability to process it like adults do. Get the little f'rs out of the house and take em fishing, and leave the phone at home on trips for days at a time. Teach them they don't
need the damn phone.
If it weren't for the brave actions of the police, allowing the shooter to run out of ammo, there's no telling how many kids could have been injured.
Most hairbrained post ever recorded on this board. J F C!!!
That 'kid' should have had his ass marched outside and a 230 gr. .45 Hardball round put through his head from ear to ear!!
That would stop a lot of this schitt!
I'll guarantee you that someone in school administration knew this kid was being bullied but did nothing about it because the kids that bullied him had influential parents. At least that's how it worked when I went to school.
Well, that's quite a strong "guarantee". It's certainly a possibility, but not anywhere a certainty in my book. Trying to hold the school administration responsible would be low on my priority list - and that's based on "how it worked when I went to school" and also on how the real world works.
The school administration should be focused on great teaching and great learning. Not only should they not have to take in and continue to deal with every emotional/psychological/anti-social freak that enrolls, but, in a school of any size, it is impossible to monitor all such actions that occur day to day and they simply don't have the resources (expertise/dedicated funds/time for task, etc.) to deal with those matters. Parents and peers are big factors.
Granted that it was a long time ago, but as a student and later a K-8 and then HS teacher, I certainly saw attempts to bully from time to time. Rarely, if ever, did such behavior become an issue for the "administration". The other students tended to step in and curtail that stuff if the kid being bullied didn't stand up and put the bully down - which was often the case. I was not a big kid, but learned early on to come back at any bully much harder than he could imagine - and that ended it every time. "That's how it worked when I went to school" and when I was teaching. This is not a school issue - it is a social issue wrought by weak/absent parenting, coddling of young people, and the stupidity of trying to make schools responsible for things they cannot - and should not be expected to - deal with.
This thread is about a yesterday tragedy and I apologize for taking it off that focus - twice now - but this tragedy should not be a vehicle for odd comments apparently made without due thought.
Well then,continue to deny any responsibility and continue to get the same results. We just don't have the time and resources to deal with the anti-social freak that everyone is picking on and making his life a living hell at school until he brings a gun for a little payback. I'm not justifying anything. I'm just telling it the way it is,and it won't change until we deal with it. Maybe that's not what happened here,but it's looking like it is.
There is no denying responsibility and continuation of the current mode will not stop such events. This is a matter not limited to schools - it has happened across many social structures through the ages. In more recent time, the attacks have become more common in schools - which is very sad. But, if police agencies of all sorts (role to protect and serve) have never been able to perform the impossible by preventing various rotten behaviors and terrible consequences in general society, why is it correct to blame school officials whose role is much more benign?
I'm not necessarily putting all the blame on the school officials. I'm saying that there is a very good possibility that many of them knew this kid was being bullied for a very long time and did nothing about it. I say that from my own experience with being bullied in school and having children who were bullied. It happens to most kids at some time or another but if a child is unfortunate enough to, just not fit in,it isn't something that just happens and is a passing event. The isolated passing events that nearly every kid deals with at some time is no big deal and isn't something that school officials can or should be expected to handle. However,when there is a child that for whatever reason is isolated by nearly every one of his peers and bullied or mocked for being different,then it is something that school officials have to learn to recognize and address. School officials seem to always want to pass responsibility to the parents,and I won't shirk that responsibility,but just take the example of my 14 year old daughter. She is fortunate to be very popular and outgoing and liked by all her teachers. She is a straight A student and top of her class. She plays basketball and volleyball. She is at school from 7am to 5pm every day. She comes home and eats supper with me for a half hour to 45 minuets,does an hour or two of homework,takes a shower and goes to bed. She is involved in school activity for 10-12 hours every day and more on game days. I spend maybe 2 hours with her a day during the week. School and school activities take up the vast majority of her time,yet I am responsible for 100% of her behavior? Does this sound right to you? I think I am a positive influence but if she doesn't have positive influences at school I would be facing a loosing battle since I have so very little of her time. I personally thing schools are more responsible than we think or demand that they be. When kids start spending 2-3 hours a day at school then I'll gladly place all the responsibility back on the parents.
Clearly your daughter is a good kid and has been positively influenced in her home. Good influences at school help a lot, but many excellent performers in life came through mediocre or poor schools. Both parents and schools should be fully committed to great work, but neither is determinant.
In the end it comes down to the person - the kid. Parents who do not invest and care as do you are setting the stage for failure - the same can be said about school leaders who do not insure that positive environment. If your kid were to go sour and become a mess, that would not mean it's your fault, for you are not responsible for 100% of her behavior - or even very much of it at her age. The school is also responsible for making certain things happen for students. But, does it have responsibility for eventual bad behavior? No. The school may react, but that's the end of its responsibility. Kids are going to do what they are going to do. She is the one responsible. That fact, alone, is lost on far too many folks - parents, schools, and especially young people. Make bad choices - deal with nasty consequences.
Teaching your kids that there are consequences from behavior - from great to lousy - is one of the top responsibilities of a parent. Given that and other proper training measures, the kid becomes responsible - period. Isn't that the reality when the kid suddenly passes 18 years and the parent - or a school, or others - may no longer have to absorb some the consequences of her bad behavior? So, is the 18th year some sort of magic moment when a parent goes from 100% responsible to zero. NO! It is a progression. Life can be simple when we expect others to take responsibility for what we do - and expect others to suffer the consequences as well. Simple - but just about meaningless.
I'll guarantee you that someone in school administration knew this kid was being bullied but did nothing about it because the kids that bullied him had influential parents. At least that's how it worked when I went to school.
Do we know for sure this shooting was in response to a bullying situation yet?
I dunno we have any influential parents where I'm at, not like that anyways.
Hoo boy! I despise a bully, and will get in the middle of a bullying situation faster than any other.
Birdwatcher
Bullies are not worth the sh#t that they are made of. Period. End of story.
What is wrong with people? What makes them do this?
The snapping of the American mind by the lieberals.
Their parents never beat their ass when they were kids. And all those damn participate trophy !
I doubt that never violently aggressing against children produces violent children, particularly when all the research existent points to the opposite. You guys who imagine that beating a child is somehow effective to produce anything other than a broken adult piss me off.
What does it teach the child? Let's see... Violence solves problems. It is perfectly justifiable to use violence to get someone to submit. You are free to attack someone if they have no recourse. It is perfectly for that bully to beat you, because he can. You should beat your kids, because that produces healthy adults. If you don't submit to authority, you will face physical assault. Aggression is fine, as long as you can get away with it. Those are a few things that come to mind.
Yep, keep beating your kids, idiots. It will make us more free as a nation, and more peaceful as a society.
You need some perspective. For all of America's history, and the worlds, until around the 60's corporal punishment was widely accepted, except by progressive lieberals who were an emerging plague that now seeks to destroy this country with it's vile valueless foolishness. In those days prior to the 60's, God was a part of American life and not a part to be hidden or ashamed of. So was hard work, common values, and things such as communism, homosexuality, and abortion were all to be avoided. Then comes liberalism, socialism and all the vile lies they drag along with their America hating selves, and also teach us how to discipline our children, primarily so the kids will lack respect and values themselves. Well, it worked thanks to short sighted people like you who choose to believe the lies of the left, which are primarily straight from the pit of Hell. Maybe you are a part of that "movement". You've certainly bought into one if it's biggest lies.
The Bible itself, said an undisciplined child will be the death of his parents and that discipline needed to come in the form of a rod to their backside. Now, I employed such measures in the discipline of my kids because I loved them and wanted them to be respectful with solid values. In that I was successful, but it didn't mean I had to bring harm to them. I used a thin dowel rod that stung, but did not leave marks or cause any bruising. Neither did I do so out of anger, or without conversation as to the why for the spanking and when we were finished I held them and loved on them, reminding them of why this had to happen, until they were calm and understood. Today they still understand the need for spankings and have expressed gratitude I took the time and trouble and even risk (only due to lieberal lies) to discipline as I did.
well said.
No one more potentially dangerous and unpredictable than someone who believes in their heart that they have nothing left to live for nor any hope their life will ever get better.
Profound words. Private Pyle would understand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqvCA4c80GQkwg
Bottom line, as far as I'm concerned......get our kids of off social media and we'll have much better kids.
Excellent.
Why don't you two set an example for todays wayward internet kids and cancel your S-M forum memberships.
Yep, keep beating your kids, idiots. It will make us more free as a nation, and more peaceful as a society.
Keep in mind they might be the same type that cheer on gov. sponsored standover jackboot LEOs.
Hoo boy! I despise a bully, and will get in the middle of a bullying situation faster than any other.
Every cloud has a silver lining, vulnerable kids can actually learn good things from bullies
and use it to not to bully others, but rightfully stand up for themselves and others.
I got bullied by one kid at school, and it wasnt till one day I finally punched him in the mouth in retaliation
which caused him to never bother me again.
What is wrong with people? What makes them do this?
The snapping of the American mind by the lieberals.
Their parents never beat their ass when they were kids. And all those damn participate trophy !
I doubt that never violently aggressing against children produces violent children, particularly when all the research existent points to the opposite. You guys who imagine that beating a child is somehow effective to produce anything other than a broken adult piss me off.
What does it teach the child? Let's see... Violence solves problems. It is perfectly justifiable to use violence to get someone to submit. You are free to attack someone if they have no recourse. It is perfectly for that bully to beat you, because he can. You should beat your kids, because that produces healthy adults. If you don't submit to authority, you will face physical assault. Aggression is fine, as long as you can get away with it. Those are a few things that come to mind.
Yep, keep beating your kids, idiots. It will make us more free as a nation, and more peaceful as a society.
Getting your hide tanned by your Dad's belt stops unruly behavior. I saw the kids who didn't get any discipline at home and by the time they hit high school I knew not to hang around them. I hear that some of them ended up in prison for one thing or another......
Forgive me if it was posted, but do we know how he got the gun?
Heather Adams sat in a line of cars along Kentucky Route 95, cars filled with parents who had just received the call no parent wants to get: A shooting at her child’s school, Marshall County High in Benton, Kentucky. Two 15-year-old students were killed and another 18 injured.
Adams was waiting anxiously to pick up her children, a 15-year-old and a ten-year-old. Both were safe and so she could relax enough to talk a bit. Earlier, she was at the high school with other frantic parents looking for answers about their children.
“I noticed a lady that was distraught, couldn’t find her child,” Adams said. Adams was texting with her son, and tried to get information for the other parent. That’s when they both learned something terrible.
“That was the shooter’s mother,” Adams said. She said the woman went into what seemed like shock.
“I held her hair while she threw up.”
Adams says the mother was in shock.
“The shooter took the gun out of her closet,” Adams said.
Kentucky State Police have not confirmed how the shooter obtained the handgun used at the school......