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Probably a lot to that statement. I also believe that the increasing violent video games that kids constantly play these days desensitizes kids to violence and gun violence in particular. Hard to believe, but most kids know more about very specific firearms and their operation due to the highly detailed video games than I do about a lot of different handguns on the market today.

There are a lot of specific scenarios in the above that I am not agreeing with (beating vs spanking, free to attack someone when you dont like them/their opinion, etc), but...

Anyone who tries the bunk of saying "Violence does not solve problems", has never been right and won a fight. Pure and simple. It (violence) most certainly DOES solve some problems, and in a very good, final way.

Many times, that bully WILL beat you if he can, and he won't give a crap what you have to say about it. Take it to him and I bet he, at the very least, will think twice about using you as a target. In my experience, they are more likely NOT to consider you thereafter. There are easier pickings.

Agreed. Also, to me, this raises some interesting questions about mass violence back 150-200 years ago. How many mass public shootings were there, back when everyone in the bar, or say, store, or on the street, was packing on their hip, openly?......

This, despite the culture of violence going on all around them (duels in the street, fights/shootings just because someone called you a coward/liar - whether you were or weren't).

I find it hard to justify anything more than perhaps a desensitizing that is brought on by games/tv, but there are waaay more folks using those products - playing those games, watching those movies, than there are shooting people up. Just as the non-violent gun owners vs the few that misuse them.

Amen to that, AK.

Physical violence isn't always the answer - but sometimes it is the only answer that works. Kids should be raised to know the difference between choosing violence and resorting to violence when appropriate. Same for corporal punishment or physical correction. Those who push the "never" idea are just setting them up for trouble ahead.

They always said of the English back in the day that "they beat their children and spoil their dogs"

If this weren't such a somber and sad thread, I'd post a video from the movie "Angela's Ashes" about a kid growing up in Ireland back in the day and getting beat at school, it takes me down memory lane. I grew up in England but we went to an Irish Catholic school run by an order of old-school Christian Brothers. They all carried heavy leather straps, I got beat every week, most all of us did, it hurt. When they closed due to declining enrollment they apologized for their "brutality" Dunno that it turned anyone "brutal", it was an all-boys school, mostly ya learned pain tolerance, crying didn't help at all

My father was right handed, I recall when I committed an act of egregious (but very funny) vandalism while out and about when drunk at around age 16 and got caught, he knocked me out of my chair with a right hook. I didn't hold it against him, I deserved it.

OTOH I never laid a hand on my son, neither did my sisters and brother on their kids, they all turned out OK, well adjusted and all that.

I will say that as a kid the prospect of getting whupped with a leather strap seemed to focus even the most distracted and hyperactive kids in school, no medication required.

So no, I don't believe beating your kids or not, within reason, produces messed up adults.

The ideal thing for raising well-adjusted kids seems to be two loving parents, and consistent boundaries and values.

JMHO,
Birdwatcher

Another unpopular kid who was bullied??

Truth.

As the new kid at school, I had to fight four guys during a football game. Not one of them gave me any sheit from that day forward. Kids nowadays are too soft to fight because they're momma's special little boy. Newsflash- life ain't all about your feelings.

Plus, social media= huge problem for kids today. Most of them can't even mumble a sentence in a room full of people they're so glued to their damn devices. Sickening.

Glad I grew up when I did.

Violent video game addiction and dementia is for starters. Any parents who uses video games as babysitters or let their kids live in the bedroom with them all hours are to blame.

The makers and sellers of these are to blame. They have no redeeming values and only give kids and younger addicted adults a warped sense or reality and death. To them death isn't permanent, just re-boot and start over.

Been my own personal experience as well, Bullies are cowards and will always seek the easiest target.

Are you a loser and want to be famous? Just shoot up a school and your name will be a household word. Stop releasing the names. Grind them into mulch and bury them.

A lot of truth there, Safari. And those same parents who were too damn lazy to spend ANY quality time with their kids, and let them play the violent video games as a fuggin babysitter are just as much to blame, too.

I'll also add that probably many members here, like me, more than likely had a 30-30 Winchester & a 12 ga pump shotgun on the gun rack in their pickup in plain view in the School parking lot, in High School. I also had my Colt Frontier Scout .22 revolver in the glove box as we ran our traps before school every morning in the winter.
And the thought of shooting someone never once crossed my mind. Not once!
And I was a whole lot more scared of what my Dad would do, then the Police Dept, if I got caught doing something stupid with a gun.

Never been much for either beating on kids or even dogs, for that matter. Got mine as a kid,...like many of my generation. I can't see that it had a positive effect. I can't say that I ever sat down with myself and made a decision against it. It's just that it's not in me to do so.

My kids turned out all right,..my dog is spoiled rotten, however.

Oh well,....he's a happy spoiled rotten dog,...so it's okay.

You must be rather PO'd because you are writing nonsense. Can you make a distinction between your "violently aggressing against children" (beating?) and parental application of controlled and dispassionate corporal punishment in keeping with the nature of the correction needed and the characteristics/sensitivities of the individual child? If you cannot understand and make that distinction and think/write accordingly, your comments are practically worthless. If you can make such a distinction and reason accordingly, you have betrayed your self as a knee-jerk knot head who doesn't reason before he writes.

You posture as if every parent who applies corporal punishment is violently beating the kid to the result of a bad outcome. That is a dumb posture, because such is not the case. Never have I seen a poster here advocate "beating" a child to the degree of violence, and it is a sign of ignorance - or social violence - for you to pretend such to be the case. Do you really think that you need to tell people here that violence against children does not solve problems? Lest you forget, you are casting your junk before a lot of folks who have carefully, lovingly and very successfully raised a whole bunch of good kids - and who, as parents, strategically applied spankings and other hurts/punishments for good purpose along the way. As a result, they raised people who are now well-adjusted and positive living adults. Such experience means a ton - and is indelible.

Unfortunately, I've had to listen to narrow-minded bleeding hearts like you most of my life. Your "Let's see" list is silly posturing - and there is no credible research which adds up to support for your posture - simply vapid academic imagining. Where did it all go wrong for you? Did your parents truly "violently aggress" against you - have you, as a result, become a violent social misfit/sociopath who is blaming that on your parents - or are you simply a shallow thinking liberal do-gooder who refuses to see how life really works and rails against those who are on the track. Why not think things like this through before going on such a rant, because thinking people won't care how PO'd you are about your delusional constructs.

aside from bullying, a love triangle? and not knowing how to handle it? Jealousy causes adults to do stupid things, so think like a 15 YO.

A whole lots of truth. Was talking to a special education teacher and some of her kids are in spec ed due to "behavioral issues", basically little psychopaths that would've been in reform school or expelled 40 years ago but now they're being "mainstreamed" with the normal kids so their self esteem doesn't get hurt.

Agree on the video games, back in the day most kids knew what death was because they with either hunted or grew up on a farm slaughtering pigs or something and families were much more extended so someone was always dying. Now days most of their only experience with death is through video games where hitting reset solves everything. Was amazed that most of my friends kids who are junior high aged and older have never been to a funeral before,

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I’d not blame “violent video games” per se, it’s pretty common for kids to surreptitiously load versions of Halo and other multi-player combat games onto school networks at play them literally every available minute. I would point a finger at a typical kid’s life now that consists of much if not most of their lives on computers and smart phones, correspondingly losing touch with reality.

OK, here I am on my smart phone but if I were on a computer I could google up an article wherein our troops in Iraq that had grown up online were significantly less able to anticipate where IEDs might be located as compared to older personnel and those few younger troops who had grown up without electronics. Basically the first group was less able to think in three dimensions, treating the windshield of a Humvee like it was a video game. Untold thousands of hours in front of a computer had affected how their very brains were wired.

My own son, 33, narrowly missed all that, but if I was raising a kid today I’d limit their access to both social media and games.

For several years, I taught the teen Sunday School class at our church. One of my girls was living here at the time, but moved to Marshall County and attended the high school where the shooting occurred. We talked to her grandmother yesterday, and she was in the vicinity of the shooting, but was okay. That was a relief to find out she wasn't a victim.

Now, it is hard for me to even begin to try to understand why someone would do this. Such things were not even on the radar when I was in school. The worst things someone could do was to get caught smoking, or flush a M-80 down the commode. Kids who were deemed a "problem" weren't babied, and put on medicine, and allowed to go right along with everyone else.......just because they had "rights." Instead, if they were a big enough problem, they were kicked out of school, or maybe sent to reform school........and most likely before any of that happened, they'd had their little azz worn out numerous times by a teacher or principal, something that usually worked.

Society is mostly responsible for these school shootings, and the way it has evolved. Video games, movies, TV, social media.......all are in a way responsible for the change that's come over our kids. Kids are very, very vulnerable to what they see and hear, and often confuse it as being real......when, of course, it's anything but.

The system wasn't perfect, but was much better than we have now. Half of it seems to have been scrapped instead of being tweaked until it was better.

The schools would just look excellent if the kids you're talking about were removed to the old institutions. Who knows how much better the kids who were left would act too...without all the terrible role models.