I am thinking of getting something lighter to carry in the summer...something along the lines of Kel-Tec P11. From what it looks like on the website they are 20oz which is plenty light compared to my SA 1911-A1. I know the P11 is a 9MM but I think 9MM is a good/better defense load compared to a .380.

So has anyone had any problems with P11 handguns and did the company take care of it? Does it shoot reliability? Do P11 wear well in front pockets or best to have a IWB holster?

I am going to a local gunshow come April and thinking of buyine one.

TIA

I carry one daily and find it quite comfortable in a Remora holster. There are 12 round magazines for it too and S&W 59 series mags also work in it.

It replaced my J frame five shooter and rides just about the same. A bit bulky for pocket carry for me.

http://www.remoraholsters.com/

I have a P32 and a P11 keltec... Both have been reliable and not had any problems.
I would suggest the PF9 which is a single stack 9mm over the double stack P11. Easier to conceal imho. The P11 is awful chunky in a pocket unless its a cargo type pocket.
Take a look over at KTOG... google kel tec owners group. Ton of info over there on them.

I have a PF9 and though it's not perfect, and certainly not lovely, it is decidedly handy! No problems so far. I do not recommend a torture test with it as it will be torture! You're hand may break before the gun does. Actually, it's not that bad. I bought the magazine extension for it, so I have 8 rounds in the mag. It makes a better grip and does not adversely affect concealability.

Dan

I find the wider frame on the P11 more comfortable to shoot in my arthritic hands, the PF9 makes me flinch after a shot or two.

The shop took in a used one yesterday that I just may have to buy as a spare!

I tried out the KelTec P11 and the Kahr K9 in a head-to-head comparo about 10 years ago and found them both to be excellent pistols. I ended up buying both, and carried one or the other as much BUG for a couple of years. I ended up selling/trading both of them off. The KelTec went to an older gentleman I know who wanted a carry pistol but was on a fixed income. He still carries it, last time I talked to him, and he DOES shoot it regularly.

I would not turn down a P11 if offered one again. It's an excellent pistol for the money.

I carry my Kahr P9 in the summer in the Super Tuck design holster. The Kel-Tec is a good pistol and should serve you well. Kahr has better trigger and finish but you pay extra for this .

I got good service out of a hard chromed P11. It shot well and I cannot recall a malfunction. It is very cost effective for such a reliable firearm, and you won't take too bad of a beating if you decide to get rid of it in favor of something else.. It really isn�t a pocket gun though. I bought a kydex OWB holster at a gun show and it concealed OK, but it should disappear in an IWB. The Remora that TLEE mentioned is a great holster, but I never tried it with a KelTec.

As for negatives, I prefer guns with a firing pin block in case the gun gets dropped. Also, I used it a lot as a BUG in an ankle holster. In snowy weather, if the barrel got moisture in it, the inside of the barrel would begin to rust out overnight. I prefer stainless for its weather resistance qualities, and, unless something has changed recently, they don�t offer it in stainless.

My advice is to find both the PF9 and the P11 in stock and handle them. Personally I find the P11 a bit wide for my liking.

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I carry a Glock 26 in a Remora holster or a S&W 642 in a DeSantis pocket holster

Ruger has a P9 knock off now too, the LC9. I guess Taurus does as with with the 709.

My thoughts as well. I have had both, and a boatload of snubbie revolvers. The PF-9 has a better trigger than any of them and is far easier to conceal. I had to sell my PF-9 to pay for a car repiar bill but wish I still had it. Tremendous every day carry piece, one of the best ever despite its low price.

My vote would be the PF-9.

PS I also post at the Kel Tec Owners Froup under this same cybername and profile. It is the only other social website or chat room that I belong to besides this one. I have been carrying and using Kel Tec's stuff since thier first kind of clunky 9mm's 20 or so years ago and have always found them to be uber reliable and now they are almost always the smallest, thinnest and lightest handguns in any caliber they build a gun for. check out and TRY to obtain if you can someday thier PMR30 13 ounce 30 shot 22WMR semi Auto pistol. Just TOO danged much fun!

Good luck!

Kel Tec is one of the most copied handguns of our time. Several models have been cloned by one maker or another such as the ones mentioned above and the P3AT 380. My wifes favorite carry piece now.

I'm loving my Diamond Back DB9 in a N82Tactical.com tuckable IWB.
11 oz 9 mm. That will hold a 25 foot pistol target.
And disappears inside my belt.

titanium SW 38 with barami hip grip can be carried with any clothing even drawstring tied shorts.

Guys,
Thanks for the ideas. I guess I will have to check our gun show next month and hold them both. My idea was the P9 would have a bit more recoil than the P11 but its hard to say. I just want to shoot the heck out of it being that 9mm can he had for cheap around here. Like I say my full size steel 1911 are more heavy than I want them to be. Saw a Kimber ultra carry (I think this is the model) in 9mm online somewhere and even that is runnig close to a full size 1911 in weight. I just need a lighter carry summer handgun. Sure I got the M60 and Sp101 and this next one needs to be significantly lighter for me to buy but the P11 can he had for fairly cheap so we will see.

I was carrying the Speer Gold Dot 124 GR Plus P in my Kahr. They were shooting about three to four inch's high and to the right at about 15 to 20 yards and after a few shots your hand is a little numb from the sharp recoil. I tried the Hornady 115 gr Critical Defense and they shot dead center and about a inch high at the same distant and worked without a hitch in the P9. The recoil is much easier on the hand after the same amount of shooting. I have now switched to the Hornady CD as my carry load in the Kahr.

I respect the guys here who are talking the P9 up. They are worth listening to and I am not opposed to trying another one. My experience was different though. I bought one that was slightly used and it jammed quite a bit. It didn't matter which mag was used and it was well-lubed. The recoil on the piece is pretty vicious. I'm used to the 45 Colt and 44 Mag, but the P9 was uncomfortable to shoot.

It was a bit large for a true pocket gun, but definitely concealed better than my Smith M&P Compact.

Were it me, I'd try out the Kel-Tec .380 or the double stack 9mm that you were talking about in your OP. I'd think the extra surface spreading the recoil out in your palm would do much for comfort.

My PM 9 has been 100%.

Never had a failure in my P9. It has been 100% with every load i have tried.

Same with the P11 and I have tried a bit of everything 9mm in it.

I've been wanting to try a Seecamp for quite some time now, but the only one I've seen was a 25 auto up in Kansas City, Kansas at a gunshow. With the .25 being the exact same size as the .32 and .380, it is hard to go with that caliber. Hard to go with anything but a .380 in that case. The .380's seem to be significantly higher though.

Has anyone tried the Kimber Solo?

I have had and P11 and P32 since the 90's, but now I carry a PF9 or P3AT.

I can tell you anything you want to know about overloading those 4 pistols for more power.

Just got back from gun show yesterday (Sat). I looked hard at the P11 and there were only a few around...probably 4 or 5. I also saw the KT P9 and it was quite small as I wanted to get something that my wife could shoot and get the hang of semis.

Then I came upon Ruger LC9...and it felt alot better in my hand. Not sure why that is but probably because the KT P11 had rough marks on the slides or at least looked like it is going to be hard to work the slide.

Overall I liked them both but did not buy any mini 9's as I wanted to see what the Ruger LC9 reviews and found out it looked like many folks like them. I looked at the manual and found the LC9 cannot handle the P+ loads on a consistent basis. But this is okay with me as having a 9 is better than having a .380 or worse...no pistol on me. Definitely the LC9 was slimmer and light and felt like it can be carried easily for hours on end in the summer days!

I read someone said these mini's are not for shooting on days end as they were not designed for that. Has anyone put thousands of 9mm thru a LC9 or P11? And how does the PF9 handle the recoil? Definitely the PF9 and/or P11 is cheaper but I can find it cheaper by about $75.

Still thinking this through...thanks for the comments guys!

I have around a thousand through my P11 and it has always worked, never a bobble. I like the wider grip frame as it spreads the recoil better and is more comfortable for me to shoot. The single stacks do seem more "snappy" to me.

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I held one of these the other day. Pretty sweet.

Valad - K-T states that the PF9 has a life-expectancy of about 6000 rounds. It's not a "range gun". You won't choose it to shoot for fun. It's all business, and you will likely only shoot it enough to maintain proficiency with it. Some might say it has sharp recoil. I am not particularly recoil-sensitive, and it doesn't bother me - but I don't get excited about range tie with it. I much prefer shooting my 1911. My K9 was way more comfortable than the PF9, but the PF9 is way easier to carry. It's truly a "shoot little but carry often" gun.

They are OK but still suffering a few "teething" problems, have sent a couple in for feeding problems. And I find them a bit "over controlled" for a pocket gun, too many switches & levers for me.

valad, I had a LC9 for a short while. Accurate, controllable, no hiccups or burps with 11 types of ammo fired through it. Will probably replace it with another. I made the mistake of letting a good friend shoot it, then he took it home and paid me for it. Told me to go get my own. I kept the pocket holster.
I'm sure you'd find it suitable.
I did have some trouble sleeping well knowing that it had a dreaded magazine disconnect.

I bought 3 Kel-Tec P11s last year for my family. We tried a PF-9 and my wife found the feel of the gun and the recoil a bit uncomfortable for her, so we bought the P11s. No problems to date with any of them.

A friend has a PF-9 and it had some problems, so it went back to Kel-Tec. The fixed it up and sent it back at no cost to him. He carries it daily.

I have carried a P11 for some years...have never had any problems with it....have shot several different brands of ammo and all of them worked just fine....it fits my hands much better than the P9....guess that is just a personal preference...