I am amazed that this Rifle "apparently" has 19 (nineteen!) bidders after it with 6+ days left on the auction!
I have enclosed a link to this auction that I have NOTHING to do with - posted for "informational" purposes only.

Link: http://www.gunbroker.com/item/597632357

I don't think I will be selling my Remington 40X in 22 L.R. anytime soon but it sure is amazing to see what these Rifles re-sell for these days.
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VarmintGuy

Doesn't really have 19 bidders--about 4 guys have done all the bids. Even so, that must be one rare rifle, and it only takes two guys who each have to have it to run the price up.

There have been relatively few 40-X Sporters and VERY few repeaters. Don't know if it's worth that much but someone thinks it is and that's all that counts.

The last single shots that I remember selling on G/broker went for around $3500-$4000 IIRC.

Looks to possibly be a D grade sporter repeater. Very nice wood and in good used condition.
Price seems a little high but not out of the question since so few of these were made and they shoot as well as the target models from all accounts.

Bob

I had a 40X sporter, had a 70's type stock with epoxy finish and white line spacers. The chamber was match tight, hunting rounds tended to stick. I traded it.

It was accurate, but no more accurate than my Cooper sporter. It was a big, heavy gun for a .22LR. I'd much rather have the Cooper, don't regret letting the 40X go down the road.

DF

That's a nice gun for sure, but $9K could do a lot of damage spent elsewhere.

Dirtfarmer: My Remington 40X in 22 L.R. is the traditional Rangemaster model with the 27 1/4" heavy barrel when I put the cross hairs on a Ground Squirrel out to 100 yards and remember to squeeze the trigger it is just about certainly dead!
Indeed on occasion my 40X will fail to extract a hot rod Winchester 40 grain Power-Point spent case but that is small trouble compared to the rewards of the ultra accuracy I get with it.
I have never shot a "sporter" type Remington 40X in 22 L.R. but would love to - at $9,150.00+ I don't think I will be doing so any time soon.
I have, on numerous occasions, shot my Remington 40X at 50 yards on dead calm days and the accuracy (even with hollow-point Hunting ammo!) is outstanding!
I have a Nikon Monarch 5.5x16.5 Nikon variable scope on it.
I have really been tempted to put my 36 power bench rest scope on it and "test" it on a dead calm day.
Enjoy your Cooper - they are sublime - but I am NOT sure it will appreciate in value like a Remington 40X has/will?
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VarmintGuy

40X sporter values will surpass Cooper values.

I don't know what my 40X repeater/sporter would be worth today, probably more than what I got in trade years ago.

They are interesting guns. Values notwithstanding, I like my Cooper better. It's a keeper.

DF

Woah.....double woah....

I had one just like that...bought it in 1992 for $1350 and sold it about 2005 for $3650... The wood on mine was about one step down from this one but was still AAA...

And honestly, while very accurate, the two Kimber Hunters and CZ 452s I have would beat it....

Bob

Compared to the OP link, mine wasn't that nice, wood wasn't that good and it was from an earlier vintage with white line spacers, sorta '70's look.

I think those things are collector priced, I wouldn't give nearly that for one. I'm a shooter, not a collector and great shooters can be had for much less, like this one, a Cooper Classic with Kahles 2-7 rimfire scope. Hard to beat, IMO. It's a keeper; the 40X went down the road.

DF

Ahh, go ahead and bid on it. It's only money.

Went for $10,600 and a bit--way more than I knoew those guns brought.

I found a 1934 Winchester model 52 with G.Titherington barrel, Wright-Allen trigger, Weitek Vaver rear sight, and extras, for $650 at a pawn shop a year ago.

Try to find one of those on line.

COOL RIFLE!

Utah708: Yikes, indeed, the final "selling" price was $10,624.99!!!
I am just amazed - one of the highest priced modern manufacture rimfires I have seen sell!
30 bids.
Indeed that Remington has attained "collector" status/value.
Another of those instances when I wish how I had the ability to "see into the future" - the money I could make.
I hope the seller and the buyer are happy.
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VarmintGuy

These are rare and highly collectible rifles, but in no way worth what that one sold for. There are plenty of examples of collectible .22 rifles going for astounding prices on GB. Does not necessarily establish a trend, or a new benchmark. The next one selling on GB may well sell for far less. I've seen that happen many times. What happened here is you have two highly motivated bidders with very deep pockets, both of which HAD to have this rifle. This "winner" has overbid other times as well (along with at least one other individual). When I see these guys bidding on something on GB, I pay attention, because I know it could get interesting! That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!!

Guns, Gold, and guitars appropriate at 3% compounded.
That is for guns that are traded like pork bellies, like post 64 Win 94s.

Special guns are special.

I would pay many multiples of functional value to get my hands on the 32acp pistol that Hitler used to committed suicide.

Mudstud: You are NOT making sense.
I beg to differ with you in other words!
The gun sold FOR $10,624.99 - and that is EXACTLY what it is/was worth!
So indeed it IS worth that amount - NOT what you (or "I") think it is worth!
I have had this discussion/disagreement with gun traders, gun collectors, gun enthusiasts COUNTLESS times in the last 50+ years of MY gun trading career.
The conversation goes like this usually:
THEM: No way was that gun worth that price!
ME: Well it sold for that amount of money didn't it?
THEM: But it was NOT worth that much!
ME: Yeah it was worth that much because thats what it sold for!
Etc, etc, etc.
I have NO idea who or why the folks were bidding on this Rifle.
No idea what motivated them but there is ONE fact apparent in this transaction - at least one person thought the Rifle was worth that much money.
And THAT establishes its worth - does it not?
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VarmintGuy

I paid $600 for an SAE stereo equalizer in 1973 when I was a college student. Someone questioned if it was really worth that much. My brother, getting a degree in economics said, "It must be if he paid that much."

I agree with my brother, in terms of that being a fair large market decision. When my other brother recently offered a widow $50 for a Rem700, that is something else.

That is why they say, "Buy in a small market, sell in a large market."

I could buy 25 CZ's for that cash.

I have to somewhat agree with mudstud... I have seen the same thing when two bidders who REALLY want something drive the price up beyond reason. The only way to know for sure is seeing what the next several auctions bring...but with this rifle we may be waiting for a while as they are so rare.

I have had the same thing happen to several of my auctions. A Remington 600 in 6.5 RM sold for over $1400 when the going price was around $950. An ERMA .22 LR M1 Carbine that usually sold for $450 sold for $950 because two bidders wanted it...

But in the case of these Custom Shop rifles if the next three sell for in the $9-11,000 area we will know that is now "the going price"...

Bob

Bob: YOU... are going to wait a long, NO a VERY long time, to see "the next several auctions" of this style Remington 40X's selling!
I disagree completely with your contention.
I will repeat - the Rifle was at public auction and the Rifle sold for an exact price and that is EXACTLY what it is/was worth - to the seller and to the public.
That is undeniable and irrefutable.
You are just trying to deny reality by trying to rationalize away what in fact just happened?
Puzzling to me why anyone would argue with reality?
But to each their own - I guess?
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VarmintGuy

VG...I don't disagree that it happened but one auction doesn't make it the new priceline...

That said I just checked the Bid History and there were multiple bidders right up to $9K. The last $1600 was a bidding war between two bidders.

So there is at least one person out there who is still willing to pay $10,600 but if the next person down the bid chain is only willing to pay $9K does that make the next rifle like this worth $10K because one person is willing to pay that or $9k because that is where the bidding is going to stop when the #2 guy quits.

All I am saying is that with anything one has to have a sales history before one can say what an item is worth... And...if the guy who bought it for $10K today needed to sell it tomorrow do you think he would get all his money back especially if the #2 guy was no longer interested or found another one....

Bob

Amazing how some supposed gun experts on here can tell someone what a gun is worth before it sells, but after it sells its not worth what it sold for?

You guys crack me up. It is obvious most of you, like me, don't fish in the same waters these types of collectors do. We just don't have the money, interest, wherewithal, or whatever it takes to spend that kind of money on rare, collectible pieces.
Also, the kind of people who buy rifles in this class aren't the type who worry about if they "had to sell it tomorrow to recoup their money". These collectors not only know more about these guns than most of us, but have a pretty good idea what they will be worth as an investment which may last for years before recouping their money plus a bit of "interest". It doesn't matter what it is worth today or tomorrow, but what it is worth at the target date the investor chooses. And these types of rifles and the rarity they possess aren't going down any time soon.

The last upper grade 40X I saw sold was an "F" grade and I believe it sold in the $12K area. Now, this is the epitome of 40X models with full engraving, the best wood and checkering available, and other features that put it in a very rare category, but the rifle being described in this thread is a very close second in grade and will IMHO appreciate substantially in the future. Wish I had the cash, I would have been in the bidding also.

Besides, just plain lust is as good a reason to buy a rifle as any other. Having the means to satisfy that desire separates most of us....

Bob

I would be suspicious of that rifle and would confirm the serial number with Rem to be sure it is authentic and not a conversion to repeater, no way it is worth that kind of money in the marketplace, if someone wanted it that bad then that's on them and ok by me. I would much rather have a 54 Anschutz sporter.

Hi all, I just saw this thread, its real old but ill clarify some info. First it is real, I bought it, It is an extremely rare rifle in an even rarer combination of options. There are several options that make this rifle truly special. I am an astute collector of all rimfires and of 40x's specifically. There were a total of 700 or so made in all combinations across the entire production period. As noted above I could buy a dozen CZ's for that, I wouldn't and do not own a CZ, that rifle couldn't hold this ones jock strap. For instance in the CZ 452 finale edition alone they are making what 1000 rifles that is way more in one run than 15 years worth of 40xb's. The vast majority of Remington 40-xb repeaters are very similar, but about 10-15 percent or roughly 100 or less of the total production are special rifles, some are even more special than others. This rifle is one of the later. As Auctions since this one have shown, the numbers are holding in this ball park. I have witnessed some sell for 8000.00, 9000.00, and one sold for 15000.00 so obviously the marketplace has shown these are the price ranges. I am open to questions if you like.

Rich

WATCHADDIC: Thank you for all the information and for you to taking the time to share.
No questions just thanks and I am hoping your pride of ownership is rewarding for you.
Enjoy your rare Rifle!
I love my simple (lone!) Remington 40X rimfire Rifle - it is a single shot and I have been using it for years now Hunting Ground Squirrels in the Rocky Mountain west.
I got the Rifle for a song many years ago as it had an aftermarket fiberglass (nice though!) stock!
The trigger is sublime and the heavy long factory barrel provides for a very steady (supported) sighting picture.
I sometimes worry about using the perky Winchester Power-Points in its match chamber but so far no problems and no loss of accuracy.
Thanks again.
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VarmintGuy

Cznut: I apparently overlooked your posting from two years ago - I have to differ with your contention as well!
THAT Rifle sold for THAT amount in the "marketplace" and THAT is EXACTLY what it is worth!
Because you differ in YOUR estimate of its value does not make THAT its value!
PERIOD!
Like I posted two years ago THE price it sold for is EXACTLY what it is worth - not your conjecture.
That fact is just reality and is inarguable!
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VarmintGuy

Auctions like this occur pretty frequently in the high end Kimber of Oregon 82 rimfire world. Besides money in these deals, one of the best resources to have is knowledge of what you are bidding on and typically those that lament the high prices really don't know the realities of the firearm in question. As in most things, knowledge is power.

When I was in college in 1973, I paid $600 for an SAE equalizer.
My friends whispered that I was nuts, because it was not worth that much.
But my brother that was an economics major said, "It was worth that much if he paid that much."

Lol Sage, I seem to be in those auctions as well. But Kimber of Oregons are in my sweet spot to, well certain ones anyway.

I wasnt being sarcastic, if anybody wants to pick my brain a little feel free. I'm open to a real Q and A session. One thing to remember with any Rare out of production rifle, there are no more being made, and fine rifles will only go up.You never overpay, just buy a few years early.

Rich

Sagerat22: Wonderfully explained there Sagerat22.
I wish I could have been so succinct!
By the way I have a batch of Kimber of Oregon Rifles (all N.I.B.) that I bought new way back when - they are the higher grade "Super" Models for the most part.
They have stunning wood on them and IIRC I have a matching serial number set of Model 82 "Supers" in 22 L.R. and in 22 Hornet.
Been thinking about selling them in the future (before I cross the great divide) - what I am saying is I better get into the market and familiarize myself with current prices.
Is there a Kimber Collectors association or another place you suggest I check?
Think I'll search Kimber Collectors - probably something there.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
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VarmintGuy

VarmintGuy, I think a great resource would be WATCHADDIC (Rich). I haven't personally talked with him but I know from looking on Rimfire Central, that he is a wealth of knowledge on many rimfires and especially Kimbers.

Just sent you a PM about a pair or Kimber of OR rifles I have with matching serial numbers. Full descriptions in the PM, just wondering what a ball park figure for the pair might be.

DBrink: Thank you for that heads up. I am mostly interested in getting evaluations on my few Kimbers of Oregon.
I did a web search and found a place called "Kimber Talk" - it looked so-so and I have not made up my mind yet if I want to "join" (apply) for that site.
Thanks again for the tip.
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VarmintGuy

The Kimber forum on Rimfire Central is the best place to go. The thread "Show Me Your Kimber" will point you to several of us that can help with your questions. A quick PM will usually get a pretty quick response. Or you can start a new thread if you want to be public with the discussion. The best answers come from good questions that include pictures where possible. We have talked about a Kimber Collectors Association in passing but there are so few of us that actually collect them that it likely would be a pretty small group. Plus the number of Kimbers produced is actually pretty limited.

Sagerat22: Thank you for the information and your observations. I appreciate it.
My appreciation of Kimber Rifles is not just confined to the Kimber of Oregon models I also have several of the later manufactured Kimbers and use these latter Rifles often, in my Varmint and predator Hunting endeavors.
I am not sure if you are aware of a posting I made a year or two ago regarding my conversation (face to face) here in Montana with one of the senior Kimber factory representatives.
Anyway after a time in my conversation I asked if the Kimber folks would ever resume the manufacture of Kimber rimfire Rifles?
His response was "that they are saving the tooling and machinery used in making rimfire Rifles and they hope to resume production someday".
He further described the companies policy/position in that they were SO busy try to keep up with orders for pistols and centerfire Rifles and had to switch production goals to pistols and the centerfire Rifles!
If I recall correctly (and remember this was two years ago when I spoke to the Kimber rep) he also alluded to a shortage of "qualified workers" causing the switching of priorities there at Kimber.
Thanks again for the direction.
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VarmintGuy

Just goes to prove the old addage "a fool and his money are soon parted" especially when an auction is concerned.

Gunswizard: I disagree with your contention.
Apparently there were lots of people bidding on the arm in question, and they bid LOTS of times - so there's very little (if ANY!) "foolish" money involved there.
To put it more simply for you, with a heavily bid upon item the "winning bidder" has very little "at risk" money!
Does he not?
Investing in firearms has been EXTREMELY lucrative for me these past 50+ years and the "profits" I make so often on the arms I invest in are further "compounded" (multiplied) by my reinvesting said profits in MORE arms!
Numerous times I have bought "user" type firearms both new and on the used market and I have lost a modicum of money when I resold said user guns and often those "user" guns have also appreciated in value.
But to date I have never lost a penny on an "investment" or "collector" type firearms I have purchased!
In fact if I were to relay to you my estimate of how much "profit" I have made on the collector guns that I have bought and sold over the past 50+ years - well, Uncle Sam (I.R.S.!) would not be amused - if you get my drift?
Like WATCHADDIC relays careful investment and patience will "pay off" in regards to rare or collector type firearms.
I contend your "old addage" is NOT proven, in this instance!
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VarmintGuy

Where in my post did I ask for anyone's agreement? I was merely stating my opinion, still think it was stupid money spurred on by desire to own rather than any real value no matter how rare.

Gunswizard: Still no revision of reality, gunswizard, with your latest post - you stated that WATCHADDIC "foolishly parted with his money" by buying the Rifle in question!
Its glaring obvious that the reality of that sale was he was the winning bidder among MANY and brought home a rare and unique Rifle!
One that is obviously highly sought after.
I maintain my contention (that is in direct opposition to yours!) that WATCHADDIC is now in possession of a rare Rifle of which he can be proud to own and if he wanted to "recoup" the money he spent on it all he has to do is resell it!
Some months on down the road it is highly likely that said Rifle could be sold for a profit - disagree with that if you wish but that is simply denying reality (which is futile).
Indeed no one asked for your agreement, but I will give you my disagreement!
Your opinion is simply wrong and not worldly.
There is a real world out there, wherein reality cannot be credibly denied in public.
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VarmintGuy

Whatever you say. DILLIGAF?

Translate-I can't afford it so its not worth it!

You know what I can afford? How? I have bought and sold firearms from $10-$30K so affordablity has nothing to do with it.

Like VarmintGuy said,it is obviously worth it to the buyer. I would say affordability/bosses permission has a lot to do with it for some...

Probably purchased by the same guy who bought the 48.4 million dollar 1962 250 GT Ferrari

Whilst I could not afford it I am pleased that someone out there can.

Good luck to him.

Yea good luck turning a profit anytime soon so he may as well enjoy it.

I have a slight feeling that the gentleman who purchased the 40x isn't a flipper worried about making a quick buck.....

Some posters seem to feel that he may be, not a very astute flipper if that's the case.

gunswizard: Yes, you are making yourself look like a "giveafucker"!
And that's sad in a way.
Get back in touch with reality - and the sooner the better.
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VarmintGuy

You've earned yourself a spot on my ignore list, since you take issue with my posts feel free to do likewise with me. Have a nice day.

Fellers, I know WATCHADDIC. He is a collector and has had some very nice customs built for himself. He is shrewd and knows what he is doing.
You might follow his 40X build by James Anderson. You might remember James did a couple for me.
https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=582494

Butchlambert1: Interesting thread there - thanks for the link.
I own several Remington 40X's (including one rimfire) and greatly admire them.
I concur with your contention that WATCHADDIC has made a pretty shrewd investment - I know my humble all original Remington 40X rimfire has gone up significantly in value since I bought it 20+ years ago.
Despite "gunswizards" petty, un-educated and often ignorant postings I still venture my monies often, on collector quality Rifles and pistols.
I hope WATCHADDIC does very well on his investment and enjoys his pride of ownership of that rare model of Remington 40X.
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VarmintGuy

For the record 4 other oil finishes with less options and rarity have sold from 10-12 thousand in the last 2 years. I have a standing offer for more for this one from 2 high end collectors, one has the largest collection of rare firearms in the country. I am informing you that all your conclusions are wrong, but say whatever you feel the need to, hopefully it makes you feel better.

Rich

WATCHADDIC: Thank you for the additional information - very interesting.
Indeed there is a certain percentage (thankfully its small!) of posters here who indeed do "say things that make them feel better" without regard for those "things" be correct/truthful/relevant.
And that diminishes from the quality of this site.
Sad,that.
But people like gunswizard often "conclude" without benefit of knowledge/experience/open mindness.
People like gunswizard are useless and easy to ignore.
Again good for you and your purchase/investment.
"I" am envious, NOT close minded.
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VarmintGuy

Some high class forums, like RimfireCentral.Com, have moderators that police the discourse and eliminate the useless or disrespectful comments and occasionally their posters when repeated warnings don't resonate. Based on some of the stupid stuff I've read here over the years, the campfire could use more moderators.

Funny, I think the rimfirecentral moderators are a pack of left wing homosexual mutts.

But have it your way.

Sagerat: I also have very little respect for "rimfire c's" moderators (along with JSTUART) but I will accede to your contention that a little more moderator involvement on this site, with the drivel purveyors (delfarve i.e.) and outright liars (buttfubarski i.e.) would improve this site a skosh.
Those things are aside from gunswizard's errors.
Anyone can make an error but to persist in said errors after goodwill attempts at correction, well thats another class of matter.
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VarmintGuy

I had 100,000 posts on rec.guns on the old usenet, before www gun forums.
I have seen a lot of forums come and go.
Mostly go, from overzealous moderation.
90% of the time they are being a good bouncer, and kicking out the riff raff.
But 10% of the time they are booting out anyone smarter than the moderator... and those are the best original content creators.
24HCF continues to grow as it is easier to skim past obnoxious jacka$$ posters that think they are funny, than it is to put up with a boring stagnant forum caused some low IQ moderator playing king of the mountain.

And I am paying money to belong to rimfire central.

I guess JSTUART's post makes my point.

Clarkm, & Sagerat,

I haven't read all the posts here.

But ,I have been called out my the K U NT SOPHIA on RFC. for nonsense.

You gotta be in the clique....

You like moderators ...stay there.

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