I don't get any rifle to sit in the corner and look at, and marvel how good it looks, including a .5MOA tikka 695 7mag I've had for 13 years now. It's got plastic, and it's extremely tough, and exceedingly, boringly accurate as anything I've ever shot.
I trusted it enough to take it deep into Sonora for this once in a lifetime, 213" gross typical muley buck
I do have a fair amount of mule deer experience, but more than anything else I'm very lucky. I've simply been in the right place at the right time on several 190+ class bucks. I'm sorry to those who see I keep posting pics of that buck. It was taken in Dec of 2006 and I still can't wipe the smile off my face. You see, I'm addicted to mule deer hunting, and have been since I was 11 (40 yrs ago). I'd dreamed of going to Sonora for 20 years before I got to go. Right place, right time is all I can attribute it to. BTW, he's over 35" wide! Thanks for the kind words. I know I suck BTW!
Hell, I can't shoot in the .2's no matter the rifle I'm using.
Envious as well you bastiges!
Perhaps you should try even a standard barrel weight Tikka...
I have.
I would send a 1.5moa gun down the road.
Agreed : a 1.5moa is AT LEAST 4.5moa at 300 yds under bench conditions. Hunting is not bench shooting so the odds are increased against you.
I'm perpetually on the verge of springing for one of these in .243. How low can you get the rings on one?
Pretty low if you know a trick or two...
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M8 6x42
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Mines a 30-06 (hold your applause) and shoots 155 Scenars nicely. Seems to be built as well as an off the rack ADL, which I prefer since DBM isn't really my cup of tea. Loading singles is pretty much a none issue. Stock is blah...but so is Remmies. Would I buy another? Well, I didn't buy this one....but for $650 (I think that's about right) you can put an ADL in a Ti take off. I'll give credit to the trigger, it's nice. Ergos? Ain't no one size fits all anything last I checked. Nice balance....
Standard PlasTikka varmint stock, Duracoat finish.
The varmint stock fits very well.
0.5, 1, 1.5, 2 MOA rifles ... hunt with all of them, kill schitt with all of them. Iffin' I miss its my fault not my 2MOA-rile's fault.
Who says a gun is for hunting? Hunting season here is one week a year, what about the other 51 weeks of shooting? 2MOA? That is a 10" group at 500 with no wind, and off a bench. Now aim that piece of crap over a pack, throw in some wind, and that 2MOA gun is only good for holding up tomatoes.
I would send a 1.5moa gun down the road.
Agreed : a 1.5moa is AT LEAST 4.5moa at 300 yds under bench conditions. Hunting is not bench shooting so the odds are increased against you.
So 1.5" at 100 equates, automatically, to 13.5" at 300. How's that?
I would send a 1.5moa gun down the road.
Agreed : a 1.5moa is AT LEAST 4.5moa at 300 yds under bench conditions. Hunting is not bench shooting so the odds are increased against you.
So 1.5" at 100 equates, automatically, to 13.5" at 300. How's that?
I think someone is confused here!
Maybe jwall was thinking of a Ruger #1? Dohhhhh!
I've made the exact same mistake so I'm a bit sympathetic.
0.5, 1, 1.5, 2 MOA rifles ... hunt with all of them, kill schitt with all of them. Iffin' I miss its my fault not my 2MOA-rile's fault.
Who says a gun is for hunting? Hunting season here is one week a year, what about the other 51 weeks of shooting? 2MOA? That is a 10" group at 500 with no wind, and off a bench. Now aim that piece of crap over a pack, throw in some wind, and that 2MOA gun is only good for holding up tomatoes.
In your opinion .... but then again, I don't do a whole lotta shooting at 500 yards with a 30-30. Good Luck with that
Yep, was referring to 4.5" at 300.
When I refer to 1 moa at 100yds - I mean 1" outside-outside.
That's my personal description. Always measured 0-0.
moa This might help some of you out.
0.5, 1, 1.5, 2 MOA rifles ... hunt with all of them, kill schitt with all of them. Iffin' I miss its my fault not my 2MOA-rile's fault.
Who says a gun is for hunting? Hunting season here is one week a year, what about the other 51 weeks of shooting? 2MOA? That is a 10" group at 500 with no wind, and off a bench. Now aim that piece of crap over a pack, throw in some wind, and that 2MOA gun is only good for holding up tomatoes.
In your opinion .... but then again, I don't do a whole lotta shooting at 500 yards with a 30-30. Good Luck with that
and a lot of us have deer seasons that last for months, and then there are hogs, and exotics, and calling coyotes, and PD's...
[even while shooting at moderate distances Ive found little difference in practical gong-ringability between a 1/2 and 1.5 MOA load
I would send a 1.5moa gun down the road.
Thats unfortunate.
Yep, was referring to 4.5" at 300.
When I refer to 1 moa at 100yds - I mean 1" outside-outside.
That's my personal description. Always measured 0-0.
Damn, I always measured My groups from center to center, your 1" groups are My .75" groups, these are some extremely good groups!.............Hb
Didn't read through the whole thing, but I have a Tikka that shoots bugholes and I like it. But I don't get all queered up about what another guy wants to hunt with either.
A Tikka shooting bugholes is par for the course...
Just got done loading 50 more rounds. Hope to wring this out to 500 this weekend.
More than a little curious to see how that T3 recoil luggette is faring twenty years from now.
Seems there's a thriving business in Rem style recoil lugs for the T3 over on the Hide.
That luggette is just one of the engineering compromises which turned me off of the T3 design.
I do know of a guy that has one in 7 mag that shot out the barrel after 1900 rounds, it now has a new barrel and the recoil lug is still solid even in that plastic stock!
I have read through this hole thread and you have knocked the T3 down many times, so if you don't like it why have you followed this thread? Is it a love/hate thing for this rifle?
Just tempering all the T3 hyperbole.
Just tempering all the T3 hyperbole.
Ok, do you own a T3?
It is the new and improved 788...lol.
Just tempering all the T3 hyperbole.
Ok, do you own a T3?
Not anymore.
He owned a .270 wsm with a slow barrel and has since been "tempering T3 hyperbole" with his sample of one. It's one thing to have an opinion about a rifle. It's another to bear the torch like you've got money riding on it.
At least eight people have expressed a dislike for the T3 in this thread. Various reasons.
Several of those expressing fondness for Tikkas are shooting the pre-T3 models which are much better designed and built than the T3.
Plenty of T3 hyperbole to be tempered too.
And my criticisms of the T3 in this thread have nothing to do with how well or not they shoot but rather in their numerous design and construction compromises and their feel.
But man...they shoot!!
Like thats all their is to a good gun....
If I recall correctly Ive shot Plastikkas in .223, 22-250, 270, 270 wizz, 300, 300 wizz, 7RM, and Turdy O' Six. And none of them shot any better or worse than any other rifles Ive sat behind.
But man...they shoot!!
Like thats all their is to a good gun....
If I recall correctly Ive shot Plastikkas in .223, 22-250, 270, 270 wizz, 300, 300 wizz, 7RM, and Turdy O' Six. And none of them shot any better or worse than any other rifles Ive sat behind.
Imagine that!
I know they are just cheap junk (just ignore the Sako barrel, and exquisite machining).
Testing my elevation dial this past weekend on my T3 6.5x55, Zeiss 3-9 Conquest. black dot is 1".
Started out at 200 yards:![[Linked Image]](http://i45.tinypic.com/fxurtg.jpg)
Moved on to 300yds:![[Linked Image]](http://i45.tinypic.com/k55po9.jpg)
Moved onto 400, but 30mph gust were blowing me all over, still managed 2" at 400. Sorry, no pic.
Heading back out this weekend to see what this piece of junk will do at 500...Load is lapua case, Fed 210M primers, H4350, 120gr Ballistic Tip, 2900+fps.
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a chap has gotta spend a few thousand bucks--and get up on the right side of the bed,
to even hope to best that level of performance...
Lets face it, guy's love em mainly because they are cheap, they do seem to shoot good and they think that makes "PlasTikkas" some kind of special, maybe they are amazed that something that cheap looking is capable of shooting decent, I've got a news flash most modern bolt action rifles made today do shoot very accuratly, the tolerances of modern rifles are very tight it's really no big deal if your rifle is accurate these days, any number of rifle makes are as good as the other, Remington, Savage, Winchester, Browning and many others build very accurate rifles. PlasTikka guy's need to get over it, many other rifles are just as accurate, any given rifle may outshoot the next most just don't reek of cheapness like PlasTikkas do.....................Hb
Lets face it, guy's love em mainly because they are cheap, they do seem to shoot good and they think that makes "PlasTikkas" some kind of special, maybe they are amazed that something that cheap looking is capable of shooting decent, I've got a news flash most modern bolt action rifles made today do shoot very accuratly, the tolerances of modern rifles are very tight it's really no big deal if your rifle is accurate these days, any number of rifle makes are as good as the other, Remington, Savage, Winchester, Browning and many others build very accurate rifles. PlasTikka guy's need to get over it, many other rifles are just as accurate, any given rifle may outshoot the next most just don't reek of cheapness like PlasTikkas do.....................Hb
i'm not a "fan" of them--that is to say, that i don't use them--and don't own any of them--but i know a couple of guys that do, and they have great success with their rigs.
but the beauty of understanding any craft or discipline is this: a guy has got to take what works for himself, and file the rest away--maybe for another day...
Is this stock OEM or aftermarket ?????!!!!!
Yeah! You guys that like Tikkas need to get over it! That way the guys that don't like Tikkas won't have to!
I'll get over it when I stop hearing about how the T3 is a "custom rifle killer" and the best thing since sliced bread.
They just ain't.
You keep referring to Tikkas as though I don't like them. I like the older Tikkas fine just not the compendium of compromise that is the T3.
Tikkas don't "reek" of cheapness any more than some of the other stuff that's been offered by Winchester, Remington, Savage..etc, etc. The biggest hang up with most is the "bottom plastic", mags and the shroud. Maybe its "cheap", but when Glocks came out guys thought the same. I'd say Mr. Glock proved his case. Maybe one day, Mr. Tikka will....
When it's all said and done, who really gives a flying [bleep]?
Seriously, jezzuz [bleep] it's just another [bleep] rifle. OP pulled off some nice groups with it, period. Smack him on the azz and say "nice job".
Chevy, Dodge, Ford, Toyota.....who [bleep] cares?
Could never understand why fellas spend more time comparing their dicks than chasing puzzy.....
Lets face it, guy's love em mainly because they are cheap, they do seem to shoot good and they think that makes "PlasTikkas" some kind of special, maybe they are amazed that something that cheap looking is capable of shooting decent, I've got a news flash most modern bolt action rifles made today do shoot very accuratly, the tolerances of modern rifles are very tight it's really no big deal if your rifle is accurate these days, any number of rifle makes are as good as the other, Remington, Savage, Winchester, Browning and many others build very accurate rifles. PlasTikka guy's need to get over it, many other rifles are just as accurate, any given rifle may outshoot the next most just don't reek of cheapness like PlasTikkas do.....................Hb
That may be your opinion & everybodys welcome to one no matter.....
I've had quite a number of "other" rifles & have never seen any of them shoot near as good as the average T!
As for the plastic, my T get banged around on a snowmobile & atv chasing wolves & still looks good, hard to spout the advantages of a wonderful looking wood stock thats beat all the crap...unless you don't actually use it! Looks to me like many on this thread really like the T for what it is, a supreemly accurate, tough, dependable rifle a guy can use, to bad they weren't "cheap" because up here they're not.
Curious just what reasonably priced, stock rifle you have that is so much better??
Left handed Kimber of Oregon M84.
Better in just about every respect.
And yes, I've owned a T3.
Perhaps you missed the part where I said reasonably priced.
Or do new Kimbers generally run $7-800 bucks down there
Can't get a new Kimber in left hand.
I paid $1000 and have ten times the rifle with an appropriate sized action, all steel BA and BM, sweet polish blue, ultra lightweight synthetic stock, 6 pound 1.7 ounce weight all up scoped, and my Kimber is going up in value.
So yes, I'd say that was reasonably priced and an even better value.
You asked, I answered.
Can't get a new Kimber in left hand.
I paid $1000 and have ten times the rifle with an appropriate sized action, all steel BA and BM, sweet polish blue, ultra lightweight synthetic stock, 6 pound 1.7 ounce weight all up scoped, and my Kumber is going up in value.
So yes, I'd say that was reasonably priced and an even better value.
You asked, I answered.
Really? that T3 derangement syndrome will eat you alive and it sounds like you are half ate.
The Kimber montana a buddy of mine just bought is a complete pos and I don't have any problem with you being in love with that but hang up the T3 obsession.
Tell me one thing I said about the T3 that is not true?
Are they a one size fits all action? Check.
Do they have an incredibly small recoil lug area? Check.
Does plastic abound in the design? Check.
Are they cheaply finished? Check.
Do they have a multi piece bolt assembly with the bolt handle held on by the FP spring? Check.
Do they have ridiculously high priced spare parts? Check.
Are they no longer inexpensive? Check.
Where am I wrong?
I think you guys who tout the T3 as the best rifle value out there are the ones with the derangement.
By nearly all accounts they're accurate and reliable but the same can be said for the Marlin X rifles for half the price.
And the X rifles have a true short action too.
They don't give up anything in finish to a Kimber montana but you are the one with 28 post about a rifle you don't own. Those that own them, love them so why would you care?
I don't own one anymore because I found the compromises unbearable on the one I did own.
Just trying to help some folks out who may get the impression from some hyperbolic T3 owners that the T3 is the finest bargain out there.
Apparently this is 30 posts now but I'm sure you'll keep track for me.
Yeah! You guys that like Tikkas need to get over it! That way the guys that don't like Tikkas won't have to!
Good one!
Durham,eh?
Use to get rice bran from there back in the 50's and early 60's for my dads feed mill..
Apparently this is 30 posts now but I'm sure you'll keep track for me.
I get your disdain of the Tikka T3, but I sincerely doubt you will convince any present owner that your point of view override their satisfaction. I own many and varied rifles in steel and wood. I also own a Tikka T3 Lite fully plasticised. I do not love it for its beauty, but for its performance and trigger.
Randy
nsaqam
Think you could give me a recap on whats wrong with tikkas.
T3s have two things going for them, Sako barrels and fck all.
Curious just what reasonably priced, stock rifle you have that is so much better??
Left handed Kimber of Oregon M84.
Better in just about every respect.
And yes, I've owned a T3.
Perhaps you missed the part where I said reasonably priced.
Or do new Kimbers generally run $7-800 bucks down there
Perhaps I missed the part were a T3 is even remotely comparable to a Montana. Wasnt aware a T3 had a true synthetic stock, 100% steel parts, and accomodates real mounts.
Curious just what reasonably priced, stock rifle you have that is so much better??
Left handed Kimber of Oregon M84.
Better in just about every respect.
And yes, I've owned a T3.
Perhaps you missed the part where I said reasonably priced.
Or do new Kimbers generally run $7-800 bucks down there
Perhaps I missed the part were a T3 is even remotely comparable to a Montana. Wasnt aware a T3 had a true synthetic stock, 100% steel parts, and accomodates real mounts.
How much did your little Montana .223 cost ya archie?
Can't get a new Kimber in left hand.
I paid $1000 and have ten times the rifle with an appropriate sized action, all steel BA and BM, sweet polish blue, ultra lightweight synthetic stock, 6 pound 1.7 ounce weight all up scoped, and my Kumber is going up in value.
So yes, I'd say that was reasonably priced and an even better value.
You asked, I answered.
Really? that T3 derangement syndrome will eat you alive and it sounds like you are half ate.
The Kimber montana a buddy of mine just bought is a complete pos and I don't have any problem with you being in love with that but hang up the T3 obsession.
Do tell of the POS Montana, so I can find a reason not to buy one.
Buy what you want but as nsagam wrote of the poor finish I observed a recent montana that was not very whippy in that catagory. This was responding to his ten times better comment.
This same montana could barely produce 1.5 minutes despite numerous attempts along with a stock that chipped and scratched badly on it's first trip out. Anyway, if a guy likes the Kimber montana then buy away. This Montana is a pos and maybe there are many others that are not.
How much did your little Montana .223 cost ya archie?
Montana 223 NIB in Canada- 1250 plus tax
Tikka T3 SS NIB- 899 plus tax
McMillan EDGE- 550 Canadian
Aluminum Shroud- 50$
Total to make a Tikka even **close** to a Montana
1500$ plus tax, and it STILL has a plastic mag, a long action, and junk bottom metal... AND BS dovetail mounting system.
Carry on and tell me of how good a "bargain" these T3s are.
Buy what you want but as nsagam wrote of the poor finish I observed a recent montana that was not very whippy in that catagory. This was responding to his ten times better comment.
This same montana could barely produce 1.5 minutes despite numerous attempts along with a stock that chipped and scratched badly on it's first trip out. Anyway, if a guy likes the Kimber montana then buy away. This Montana is a pos and maybe there are many others that are not.
Please put me in contact with him. I'll trade him a blued T3, straight up.
Seriously.
At least Tikka owners aren't embarrased to post target pics. I thought about buying a Kimber and taking some poser photos of it in the back yard, but I went shooting instead.
Here is a group at 400 yards. Little embarrased to admit it is only 2", but what can you do with the wind a mirage?
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Just back from a few weeks in Africa. Appears I have to sell my Mauser's, new and old M70's, M77's and M700's as they cannot kill chit. Always learning I am.
I've played around with one for a couple of years in 270 WSM. I did not care for it at all. I'd take one over a Savage though.
At least Tikka owners aren't embarrased to post target pics. I thought about buying a Kimber and taking some poser photos of it in the back yard, but I went shooting instead.
Here is a group at 400 yards. Little embarrased to admit it is only 2", but what can you do with the wind a mirage?
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I tend to spend more time shooting and less time shuttering, lately. Although for the fact that those groups were shot off a pack, laying down I thought they were OK.
I'd show you pics of 450 yard groups but I've just never cared enough to walk up and snap a pic of them when I could be zinging 30 more rounds down range in that time.
Next time I'm out I'll take some pics just for you.
I have a T3 .223 that really shoots. It is the only stainless and plastic rifle I own. The rest are walnut and blued steel. I love them all if they shoot; if they don't they are sold or traded.
I love them all if they shoot; if they don't they are sold or traded.
Thats the funny part about this whole argument. Of all the rifles I've owned/shot I've never NOT been able to make them shoot sub-moa, off a backpack at 100 yards.
I'm a huge Kimber Montana fan, but they're not without their faults. I have a .308 that's headed back to the factory because it won't feed from the left side. I had identical issues with a .7mm-08, plus you'd have been lucky to hit a pie-plate with it at 100 yards. Kimber's "stainless steel" also rusts like crazy, but on the bright side, their customer service department has been good to work with.
I just picked up my first Tikka T3, a SS .223 Lite, and while the stock is nowhere near as nice as Kimber's, it's not bad for the $475.00 I paid for it. The magazine and scope mount doesn't scare me either. Been running Glocks and CZ 527's for years without a hitch. The one thing I wish it did have is a true short action. The trigger is as good as anything out there, plus it just flat out shoots.
How much did your little Montana .223 cost ya archie?
Montana 223 NIB in Canada- 1250 plus tax
Tikka T3 SS NIB- 899 plus tax
McMillan EDGE- 550 Canadian
Aluminum Shroud- 50$
Total to make a Tikka even **close** to a Montana
1500$ plus tax, and it STILL has a plastic mag, a long action, and junk bottom metal... AND BS dovetail mounting system.
Carry on and tell me of how good a "bargain" these T3s are.
Actually I don't own a Tikka nor do I have the desire to own one because I don't care for the long action and the DM..
As far as the Montana selling for $1250.00 NIB plus tax maybe you could share with us the dealer that sells them for that price..
I do hope that you didn't paint yourself into a corner on this Montana pricing ($1250.00 NIB) as I am looking for another one myself..
The best I can come up with is $1350.00 plus tax with most dealers selling them for $1450.00 to $1550.00 plus tax..
I'm a huge Kimber Montana fan, but they're not without their faults. I have a .308 that's headed back to the factory because it won't feed from the left side. I had identical issues with a .7mm-08, plus you'd have been lucky to hit a pie-plate with it at 100 yards. Kimber's "stainless steel" also rusts like crazy, but on the bright side, their customer service department has been good to work with.
I just picked up my first Tikka T3, a SS .223 Lite, and while the stock is nowhere near as nice as Kimber's, it's not bad for the $475.00 I paid for it. The magazine and scope mount doesn't scare me either. Been running Glocks and CZ 527's for years without a hitch. The one thing I wish it did have is a true short action. The trigger is as good as anything out there, plus it just flat out shoots.
Yeah, Kimber's stainless steel is far from top tier. My 270 WSM Montana has some rust speckles on it but so did the Tikka 270 WSM that I had in my safe for a while. My Winnie's don't do that.
I love them all if they shoot; if they don't they are sold or traded.
Thats the funny part about this whole argument. Of all the rifles I've owned/shot I've never NOT been able to make them shoot sub-moa, off a backpack at 100 yards.
So you've never owned a +MOA rifle? Wow! Quigley's got nothing on you.
To all of the Tikka/plastic bashers out there, post up some pics of the broken parts that you've personally seen go bad (not intended for you nsaqam.....you have some perfectly valid reasons for your dislike and I respect that).
I love them all if they shoot; if they don't they are sold or traded.
Thats the funny part about this whole argument. Of all the rifles I've owned/shot I've never NOT been able to make them shoot sub-moa, off a backpack at 100 yards.
So you've never owned a +MOA rifle? Wow! Quigley's got nothing on you.
To all of the Tikka/plastic bashers out there, post up some pics of the broken parts that you've personally seen go bad (not intended for you nsaqam.....you have some perfectly valid reasons for your dislike and I respect that).
I hope you have a lot of time on your hands to wait for that response
I have had 2 of them only problem I had with one was a cracked bolt shroud. They both shot like a custom rifle is supposed to shoot.
So you've never owned a +MOA rifle? Wow! Quigley's got nothing on you.
To all of the Tikka/plastic bashers out there, post up some pics of the broken parts that you've personally seen go bad (not intended for you nsaqam.....you have some perfectly valid reasons for your dislike and I respect that).
Now you did it JG!
How's a guy supposed to continue on his rabid anti-T3 crusade with a nice response like that???
Kimber 84M isn't half the rifle a Tikka T3 Lite is. I've owned both.
nsaqam and archie, you both are a couple of rude, inconsideate jerks for schitting on dogcatchers thread. He never asked you your opinion of Tikkas, or mentioned anything about the definition of a "fine" rifle. He just gave a report how his rifle shoots, and showed a target.
nsaqam, you've been crying and whining like a little girl for years about Tikka's. Why don't you grow up, act your age, and just quit bitching about them. We all know how you feel. Noone cares any more. Notice how none of us that have owned p.o.s. Kimbers have schit on your Kimber thread? Because we are polite enough to stay away. You should try it too.
I had a Ruger #1 that was a turd. I am no fan of them because they are expensive, and I have read a lot of reports of ill shooting #1's. That being said, I don't devote my life to chasing down every #1 thread on the web so i can piss on it.
Kimber 84M isn't half the rifle a Tikka T3 Lite is. I've owned both.
nsaqam and archie, you both are a couple of rude, inconsideate jerks for schitting on dogcatchers thread. He never asked you your opinion of Tikkas, or mentioned anything about the definition of a "fine" rifle. He just gave a report how his rifle shoots, and showed a target.
nsaqam, you've been crying and whining like a little girl for years about Tikka's. Why don't you grow up, act your age, and just quit bitching about them. We all know how you feel. Noone cares any more. Notice how none of us that have owned p.o.s. Kimbers have schit on your Kimber thread? Because we are polite enough to stay away. You should try it too.
WAAAAA!
Probably because I never have made ridiculous statements like my Kimber of Oregon M84 makes custom rifles obsolete or redundant.
Only you T3 people make stupid ass statements like that.
I've never claimed my Kimber of Oregon M84 was the be all and end all of rifle accuracy.
Only you T3 people make stupid ass statements like that.
I've never claimed that my Kimber of Oregon M84 was the best value in sporting rifles.
Only you T3 people make stupid ass statements like that.
I've never started a thread where I slandered other rifles claiming my Kimber of Oregon M84 is better.
Only you T3 people do stupid ass stuff like that.
Feel free to comment all you want on any of my Kimber of Oregon M84 threads but be sure that you speak from experience with the Kimber of Oregon M84's because I speak from experience with the crappy POS T3.
You certainly won't hurt my feelings which is a lot more than I can say for you T3 people.
Talk about getting your panties in a wad!
Not directed at you JG, and I like you Drew.
Ummm... Drew I think it is time for some hot girl pictures sir. Thank you.
You continue to show promise Tanner...you just gotta get shed of that 7 mag....
I don't have a 7 Mag, I've got the 'little 7', 280Rem
It's still a winner!
Oh yeah...no schitt...I think the .280 is the shizz.Very efficient cartridge! Your the components you put into it, and the ballistics you get out.....Can't beat it.
But 7mm bullets were never meant to go that fast......
Damn, I was expecting scantily clad girls already!
Tanner is the young single one...thats HIS department....
I keep trying to bribe him for pictures of his allegedly hot GF but he seems reluctant.
Wonder why that is?
I hope you have a lot of time on your hands to wait for that response
Sorry was out shooting the little 7 shamu.
JG, I said Ive never not been ABLE to make one shoot. I've not yet been stuck with a gun I cannot through some way of tinkering get to print sub moa. Of course I know the idea of working on something is scary to you and you'd like them "ready to hang in the truck" out of the box.
NRut- There are places that have 1250 Montanas, and cheaper available. And even at 1499$ the Montana is still better value over a T3, EDGE, alum. Shroud. Because with the T3 you're still stuck with a bum action, bum lug, and bum bottom metal/mag.
And no I havent seen one fail, because every T3 owner I know holds them on a pedastal like they're a fcking Empire presentation grade.
Tanner is the young single one...thats HIS department....
Ingwe,
we oldies need the pics now and then.......to get the blood pumping!!!
Gus
Kimber 84M isn't half the rifle a Tikka T3 Lite is. I've owned both.
nsaqam and archie, you both are a couple of rude, inconsideate jerks for schitting on dogcatchers thread. He never asked you your opinion of Tikkas, or mentioned anything about the definition of a "fine" rifle. He just gave a report how his rifle shoots, and showed a target.
nsaqam, you've been crying and whining like a little girl for years about Tikka's. Why don't you grow up, act your age, and just quit bitching about them. We all know how you feel. Noone cares any more. Notice how none of us that have owned p.o.s. Kimbers have schit on your Kimber thread? Because we are polite enough to stay away. You should try it too.
WAAAAA!
Probably because I never have made ridiculous statements like my Kimber of Oregon M84 makes custom rifles obsolete or redundant.
Only you T3 people make stupid ass statements like that.
I've never claimed my Kimber of Oregon M84 was the be all and end all of rifle accuracy.
Only you T3 people make stupid ass statements like that.
I've never claimed that my Kimber of Oregon M84 was the best value in sporting rifles.
Only you T3 people make stupid ass statements like that.
I've never started a thread where I slandered other rifles claiming my Kimber of Oregon M84 is better.
Only you T3 people do stupid ass stuff like that.
Feel free to comment all you want on any of my Kimber of Oregon M84 threads but be sure that you speak from experience with the Kimber of Oregon M84's because I speak from experience with the crappy POS T3.
You certainly won't hurt my feelings which is a lot more than I can say for you T3 people.
Talk about getting your panties in a wad!
Not directed at you JG, and I like you Drew.
Too damn funny, and too damn true. As bad as the Savage owners parroting "Savage Bargains".
Yukonal thinks we're inconsideate (sic) jerks though and that hurts my feelings!
Kimber owners are pricks. We all know that
WAAAAA!
Only you T3 people make stupid ass statements like that.
Only you T3 people make stupid ass statements like that.
Only you T3 people make stupid ass statements like that.
Only you T3 people do stupid ass stuff like that.
Above is an 'unadulterated' quote of yours from 1 post.
Your generalizations paint a BROAD stroke & includes some T3 owners who AREN'T guilty.
? 'rude' ? & ? 'inconsiderate' ? Overbearing yes.
My feelings aren't hurt, you have NOT changed my mind. I am a very happy Tikka T 3 SS Lite owner. It's NOT for sale.
I love them all if they shoot; if they don't they are sold or traded.
Thats the funny part about this whole argument. Of all the rifles I've owned/shot I've never NOT been able to make them shoot sub-moa, off a backpack at 100 yards.
So you've never owned a +MOA rifle? Wow! Quigley's got nothing on you.
To all of the Tikka/plastic bashers out there, post up some pics of the broken parts that you've personally seen go bad (not intended for you nsaqam.....you have some perfectly valid reasons for your dislike and I respect that).
From a basher/owner/don't-give-a-[bleep]...
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Nice pic, damn that Tikka plastic shroud is tough it didn't totally break in half.......Grin...............Hb
I'd post a pic of the GF, but I don't think Drew would appreciate it too much
Thats the funny part about this whole argument. Of all the rifles I've owned/shot I've never NOT been able to make them shoot sub-moa, off a backpack at 100 yards.
JG, I said Ive never not been ABLE to make one shoot. I've not yet been stuck with a gun I cannot through some way of tinkering get to print sub moa. Of course I know the idea of working on something is scary to you and you'd like them "ready to hang in the truck" out of the box.
Oh, my bad. I thought you said something really asinine like you've never been able to not make one shoot subMOA off a backpack at 100 yards or something stupid like that.
I'd post a pic of the GF, but I don't think Drew would appreciate it too much
Please do, I'd much rather see the girlfriend
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No youre w.tex reading comprehension didnt fail you JG. I do indeed shoot off a pack. Benches arent my cup of texas tea
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Should have mentioned Ive been known to bed, float, releive stresses, and handload for a gun and shoot off a pack at a hund.
I thought that the idea of working on a gun would dumbfound you.
I was right.
Thanks rig pig.
Custom has it's advantages
No need to be a bag licker, save that for your foreman Hoss.
To each his own, but I wouldn't have one, reeks like a Yugo to me. I know they are shooters, but the cheapness an plastic are a huge turn off and they aren't even that cheap anymore.
People act like plastic is some new invention that isn't proven. I would think Glocks, and AR-15's are more than proven. Hell, my car's valve covers are plastic.
Tanner, we need to hook up and shoot. I need a spot that I can get to 500 without having to hike across a dang canyon just to check the target. My come ups are dialed out to 400 with this load so far.
Kimber owners are pricks. We all know that
I own several Kimbers and several Tikkas, does that make me a confused prick?
Here's my take:
Triggers: toss up between the two.
Barrel quality: Tikka wins hands down.
Chambering and machining quality: Tikka wins, well machined and aligned chambers. Kimber has some pretty rough machining, frequent off center to the bore chambers.
Stocks: Kimber much higher quality both wood and synthetic.
Bedding, Admirable attempt by kKimber with pillars and glass bed but kinda useless if the slave action they use to bed it dosen't have the same dimensions as the action they put in the stock when it's assembled. Tikka, weird detached recoil lug, I call it three peice bedding, whatever it works.
Safety: Kimber wins
Action: Kimber, different size actions for specific cartridge families a big plus. Many are roughly machined, rough functioning and feeding. Tikka: one size action fits all. Smooth and reliable.
Accuracy: out of the box Tikka wins hands down. Only had one Kimber that shot and functioned well out of the box. All the others had to be either re-bedded, re-freeloated, bound magazines that needed relieving, crowns needing re crowning or a combination of these operations to make them perform and shoot the way they should.
That said, comparing the two rifles is like comparing apples to oranges. The plastic fixtures on the Tikka don't bother me. They are a generic rifle that perform, function and shoot admirably. They have as much personality as a cardboard box. Kimbers are a thoroughbred, If you get one that shoots and functions properly they are one of the most wonderful rifles on the market, if not they can be a pain in the ass to get them tuned up.
I can't believe this thread is still going. Neither group is going to convince the other that they are wrong.
I hate to have to do this, but you guys forced my hand
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I know the canyon you speak of
All backroads and stuff like that will be closed soon because of a stage III alert! I'm going to have to shoot at Gypsum... Yuck!
I don't even know how Kimber got brought into this topic in the first place.
I think Gypsum only goes to 250, unless you want to aim your gun at the sky and try to hit the gongs on the hill.
Yeah, that's always fun... Those 45 degree gongs are the best
God, i shudder at the thought of shooting at Gypsum. Haven't done that in years.
Yep, that place is goofy. I try to get there before the factory ammo bad-asses do. Always nice to not get nailed with 7.62 Russian brass!
I just hate waiting on people, and hate it when a braked Ultra-[bleep] goes off next to me, just when I am about to squeeze the trigger.
Let's hope for no stage III, I need to shoot long range!
The top of Trail Gulch is awesome, there's a bunch of LR spots. I'll be rain dancin' too, I've got some loads to try!
I can't believe this thread is still going. Neither group is going to convince the other that they are wrong.
I hate to have to do this, but you guys forced my hand
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Funny chit! and also very true.....................Hb
No need to be a bag licker, save that for your foreman Hoss.
I am the foreman, hoss. From now on you need to refer to me as "El Jefe"....
Adios amigo! Have a nice day in your miserable union existence.
I've got guns I "like" better than my Tikka* from any aesthetic point of view. If one were to ask anything I planned to shoot at what their LEAST favorite rifle would be in my collection it'd likely be the Tikka. Critters and target only care where the bullet lands. It's very light and I got a good deal on it too.
*T3 Lite SS .308 VIII 2.5-8x36
Southwind, I was beginning to wonder....
This topic will never be solved, b/c firearm choices like everything else is subjective.
Tikka's have their pros...n cons.
I don't like Silicone myself, but it works for some....a Tikka has a slick action, great bbl and trigger...yet that is not the whole enchilada for me.
I would use one no doubt, great value, but if forced to have one rifle near this price point, I'd likely pick a Ruger over it. In the end, I want something that will go bang, eject, extract, and bang again and never have to worry about any parts failure. Ruger = Rugged tool IMO.
Call it peace of mind. Not flaming Tikka's, they have their place.
Now if we are talking Sako - well, that's another topic
I like Rugers because you can pound nails with them, but they have their problems.
The front angled screw/lug is retarded. They are heavy. They have a crappy ring system, and did I mention they are heavy? I have three Rugers, they all shoot decent, but they were all finicky when it comes to finding a load.
If they are all like that...
WOW
if just yours
Wow
Snake
I think there was some norsk hunter that worked at the Tikka factory. He decided he wanted a Tikka 6.5x55 and built this one for himself, carefully selecting the components. Then on his day off, some coworker accidentally boxed his rifle up, and it got sold to me.
I like Rugers because you can pound nails with them, but they have their problems.
Ruger 77's = expensive boat anchors. I much prefer my Tikka 595 for hunting.
I like Rugers because you can pound nails with them, but they have their problems.
The front angled screw/lug is retarded. They are heavy. They have a crappy ring system, and did I mention they are heavy? I have three Rugers, they all shoot decent, but they were all finicky when it comes to finding a load.
I have a couple of tang Rugers...a 250 & a 280. I don't find either of them heavy! After usual bedding they are quite accurate but not in the class of the Tikka. The actions are slick, the ruger rings provided are as good as any system out there. I put a syn stock on the 280 to toughen it up but the barrels still scratch easy & also they have no provision for a DM which is way handy for the type of hunting I do. Rugers have their place in my cabinet
& I like them but I like my Tikka better as a user friendly, super accurate & tough rifle.
Here are a few from my Tikka 270 @ 100 with 140 Bergers and 4831sc. The bottom one is about as big as they get. Took a while to figure out how to hold it, but I came around.
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Yep, typical Tikka! Good shooting.
I have 2 Tikkas. One is a 595 in .223, and the other is a T3 Lite synthetic/blued in .30-06. The .223 is currently out of service because it has started misfiring...about 1 out of every 4 rounds goes off. Needless to say, I am disenchanted with this development. I love the .30-06, the light weight is outstanding, and I have had no complaints with it thus far. I intended to get aluminum bolt shrouds for both. I had also planned to get another T3 Lite in synthetic/SS in .270.
Currently, the 595 situation has given me cause for pause. Rule #1, a gun must work. If it doesn't work, all else is irrelevant. I shoot lefty, so options for me are less than bountiful. I saw a pic online the other day of a cracked bolt from a Savage .22-250. Remington's Q.C. has become unreliable since Cerberus/Freedom Arms took them over. I've heard horror stories of Kimber, the infamous 'Kimber lottery', and even if I wanted a Kimber, the mo'fo's don't make lefties. As noted above, Rugers are heavy, and their accuracy isn't normally bragged about with wild abandon. However, most reports seem to indicate that they are sturdy and reliable, and I'm seriously considering a laminate/SS Hawkeye in .30-06.
I'll get the 595 fixed, and after that I'm prolly gonna sell it. I may sell the T3 .30-06, too, as now I'm somewhat concerned about the reliability of the Tikkas. This pisses me off, because those Tikka T3's are just so dang light that they are truly a pleasure to carry and hunt with...as long as they go 'bang' when I want them to. A .223 not working means only a missed opportunity at a coyote, but if that .30-06 doesn't work when I'm looking at a buck or have it on an elk hunt, that would well and truly piss me off beyond belief. I have Savages, and so far they have worked reliably for me. I'm very fond of my .25-06, and am also considering getting a Savage in some flavor of 6.5 and maybe 204 Ruger. Stainless lefty Rugers have not been terribly easy to find in the past, so I'm thinking if I think I want one, I better jump.
Sometimes I wonder why poeple get so worked up dissing one brand or model or another. It's a free country and people can shoot whatever they like, so why does it get somebody all worked up when somebody else shoots a rifle they don't like? What difference does it make what somebody else shoots? By the same token, all this 'my gun is better than X gun', or 'my gun is better than your gun' equally serves no purpose other than to stir the pot and engender an argument. We get our egos wrapped up in our rifles and act like 3rd graders sometimes. Full disclosure requires me to say that I get caught up in this too, to an extent, mainly on the political discussions, cuz there's one candidate that irks me so much that I act stupid more than I like to admit.
Anyway, sometimes it seems like there's no answer to my dilemma regarding rifles.
I have 2 Tikkas. One is a 595 in .223, and the other is a T3 Lite synthetic/blued in .30-06. The .223 is currently out of service because it has started misfiring...
Anyway, sometimes it seems like there's no answer to my dilemma regarding rifles.
Delgue
I would get it looked at - I am really surprised you are having problems with the 595 as thye really were a good rifle. But anything mechnical can & sometimes will give problems. The T3s are extremely durable and reliable too. Your problem may be something simple.
I recently got rid of a Ruger Hawkeye in 9.3x62 for exactly the same reason - it was misfiring. I sent it back to the agents & their gunsmith replaced the firing pin spring & increased the firing pin protrusion. But that did not help - I talked to another gunsmith & he said that it was almost definately headspace. But by that time I had had enough.
Rugers are tough rifles no doubt but they can also give their fair share of problems.
A certain percentage of everything made..toasters, cars, bedspreads, people..are defective. One of the universal laws of nature. I have several Ruger firearms, and most of them have one problem or another.
I figure it must be some stupid simple little thing, but it gives me pause that it would happen in the first place. Getting it dealt with is on my do-list.
The answer would seem to be that there is no answer. I find myself wondering if anything works any more..if there are any good choices out there.
I know the canyon you speak of
All backroads and stuff like that will be closed soon because of a stage III alert! I'm going to have to shoot at Gypsum... Yuck!
They shut down all my spots up here in the North part of the state already due to "fire danger". No "target shooting" in the Pawnee.... but you can still shoot at "lawfully pursued game".... so I'll be launching all my LR rounds at prairie dog mounds. Y'all are welcome to come up.....
Tikka's tend to be VERY accurate I realize, so no need convincing here. Perhaps the exception but I did see a T3 in 308 of all things that was not a one holer nor close...it was erratic to say the least and the reason was never found before the owner sold it due to it's sub par performance...likely an exception.
Now to Ruger's, my Ruger #1A in 243 shot a 3/8" group for 3shots at 100 yds, OUT the box....and avg. well under an inch everytime. An RSI was also sub moa in 243, out the box. Now a Lam SS 77R I had in 06 was heavy, but a lam stock IS....so.
I realize a Ruger may not give a target grade group or as often as a Tikka, but game often requires VOA (vitals of angle) vs. groups needing a micrometer.
Last time I handled a 77R in 260 and 6.5x55, both blue/walnut, they fit me like a glove and their bbls were very much on the thin side, weight was fine. As many brands, the variation/model matters as to bulk/weight.
The Bedding system has been debated I know, but I never seen any Ruger centerfire rifle have any parts failure. That's important in my book. As to Tikka's, well, if one never has any plastic break or loses a DBM, then all is well also.
Again, all have their + and - and it's subjective. If one's owner can put a bullet in the kill zone, all is well if it's reliable on the hunt. All else is moot.
Back to customs...no plastic on mine...and it shoots
So I am happy just as the Tikka owners here.
Good shooting and hunting guys/gals.
so I'll be launching all my LR rounds at prairie dog mounds. Y'all are welcome to come up.....
Man, would love to come up and do some 'dog blasting!
I may sell the T3 .30-06, too, as now I'm somewhat concerned about the reliability of the Tikkas.
Shoot me a pm when you get ready to sell it.
so I'll be launching all my LR rounds at prairie dog mounds. Y'all are welcome to come up.....
Man, would love to come up and do some 'dog blasting!
Let's figure out a time to do it!
Come on up.... seriously.... I've got a few towns I've been saving. It ain't like Montana... but we can find plenty to shoot at....
Pick a day or two and we'll make it work. I'm about 35 miles north of Denver... the dogs are another hour or so northeast.
I may sell the T3 .30-06, too, as now I'm somewhat concerned about the reliability of the Tikkas.
Shoot me a pm when you get ready to sell it.
Will do.
My tikka in 7mag is deadly. So is 7/08 I have. The trigger is insanely good for stock.
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