30 Nosler - 24hourcampfire

Who wants one?

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Mike

That looks like a 300 Dakota! I haven't really compare the two but looks very similar. I like it!

Elk Country

Boy, that looks like a pretty bad dude. That would make a heck of a bean field rifle.

I think I'd rather have one than a Weatherby, if only because of no belt.

The factory ammo is 210g @ 3000fps with a 24" barrel. That puts it up there with a RUM if using Nosler load data.

No need for one here, though.

I don't have any need for one either, if I lived somewhere I could stretch rifles out it might be more interesting.

Mike

Overbore and kicks like a mule.

Best one is the .300 Win. Mag.

1. The capacity to launch 210 grain bullets at 3,000 fps? Well, they don't mention the barrel length and gun manufacturers are notorious for their velocity optimism.

2. It headspaces on the shoulder. Big deal. So do all the belted bottle necked cartridges excepted those with the long taper such as the 375 H&H Magnum.

3. Fittng in a standard length action is good but I submit that the 300 Winchester Magnum is still a better choice due to the better availability of brass and cartridges. Besides, most riflemen can't handle or don't like the recoil of even the 300 Winchester Magnum and they're not going to want more.

4. A more efficient powder column? Really? Did they learn something new about pi? Is their brass special somehow enhancing the powder's burning characteristics?

But, if you want something no one else has and doesn't worry about the next ammo/reloading component sell out thanks to the democrats, by all means get one.

Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter

I think I'd rather have one than a Weatherby, if only because of no belt.

The factory ammo is 210g @ 3000fps with a 24" barrel. That puts it up there with a RUM if using Nosler load data.

No need for one here, though.

I've found the best way to deal with the belt is to ignore it.

Nice round, but I already have a RUM and a Win mag in that caliber. Happy as a puppy with two peters already.

Originally Posted by doubletap

Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter

I think I'd rather have one than a Weatherby, if only because of no belt.

The factory ammo is 210g @ 3000fps with a 24" barrel. That puts it up there with a RUM if using Nosler load data.

No need for one here, though.

I've found the best way to deal with the belt is to ignore it.

Pretty much what I do. Still, it is a completely unnecessary anachronism and from an eye appeal standpoint I prefer cartridges without them. If I was going to buy a super-mag .300, which is quite unlikely, my preference would be for it to have a Nosler .30 chamber.

Originally Posted by John_Gregori

Overbore and kicks like a mule.

Best one is the .300 Win. Mag.

I'd do a 300 WSM over a 300 WM.

My 300 Bee is awesome. I am good

Originally Posted by MuskegMan

Originally Posted by John_Gregori

Overbore and kicks like a mule.

Best one is the .300 Win. Mag.

I'd do a 300 WSM over a 300 WM.

Yep

Originally Posted by Jeff_O

Originally Posted by MuskegMan

Originally Posted by John_Gregori

Overbore and kicks like a mule.

Best one is the .300 Win. Mag.

I'd do a 300 WSM over a 300 WM.

Yep

Nope.

Originally Posted by Coyote_Hunter

Originally Posted by MuskegMan

Originally Posted by John_Gregori

Overbore and kicks like a mule.

Best one is the .300 Win. Mag.

I'd do a 300 WSM over a 300 WM.

Nope.

NOPE II.

I really can't wrap my head around the "no belt" thing. My first mag rifle was a 300 WM @78-79 and have used 'belted' mags ever since.

I 'ain't never' had a single problem from a belted mag case.

Jerry

I don't get the 'no belt' sentiments either. They are an absolute non issue. I have had half a dozen belt-cartridge chambered rifles and not once has the belt caused me any grief with feeding or reloading.

Originally Posted by War_Eagle

I don't get the 'no belt' sentiments either. They are an absolute non issue.

Absolutely correct.

Maybe ? some people like the 'short-fat' look?

Personally I like the longer sleeker looking cartridges.

So far I haven't seen a pic of the 30 Nos so I have no opinion about it. My 300 WM is capable of MORE than I have to do now so I'm not looking to better its performance. (besides I have an 8 mm Rem Mag)

Jerry

It's not the belt, it's the short action.

My beef with belted cartridges isn't the belt, it's the overly large clearance between the shoulder of new brass and the typical belted cartridge chamber.

Originally Posted by Jeff_O

It's not the belt, it's the short action.

The 300 Win Mag uses the same action length. What am I missing?

That said the 30 Nosler sounds like a great cartridge. A slightly shorter 300 RUM maybe?

Hi Bob. Sorry, I was referring to the comments above RE 300WM v. 300 WSM.

One thing the .30 Noz has going for it is available brass. Sucks that this is such a "thing", but it is.

Originally Posted by Jeff_O

Hi Bob. Sorry, I was referring to the comments above RE 300WM v. 300 WSM.

One thing the .30 Noz has going for it is available brass. Sucks that this is such a "thing", but it is.

Oh...OK Jeff. Missed that.

Yeah today brass IS an issue. i am out scrounging 300 RUM for some friends. They can't find the Remington stuff I guess.

Another solution to a problem that doesn't exist....so now we 8 or 9 varieties of a 300 Magnum.

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So far I haven't seen a pic of the 30 Nos

There is a pic in the LINK in the original post!

Mike

I'll take my 30-378

Originally Posted by ready_on_the_right

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So far I haven't seen a pic of the 30 Nos

There is a pic in the LINK in the original post!
Mike

Okay - thanks. Obviously I didn't check that.

Jerry

I believe Nosler will be more committed to keeping component brass available with their line of cartridges then we see with the RUM, SAUM, WSSM, RCM, WSM lines.

Of course if you stay traditional Win Mag then no problem.

Mike

Mike, Nosler seems more committed to keep even some of THOSE available! Very frustrating. When was the last "seasonal run" of say WW 7 WSM?

On that note, surprised nobody has stepped up to make 7 WSM brass. Nosler is making even .325 WSM brass.... but no 7.

Considering the amount of press and advertising these companies pay for when the launch these cartridges it's unfathomable that they let them wither on the vine unsupported. Then again, Rem has been a bit distracted with the whole "these £!€¥%# triggers are going to put us out of business!" thing and Winchester did undergo a sea change. But still.

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NOSLER® ANNOUNCES THE NEWEST MEMBER OF THEIR CARTRIDGE FAMILY:

THE 30 NOSLER®

Bend, Ore. – January 8, 2016 – Nosler is proud to introduce the newest member if its cartridge family, the

30 Nosler®. Sharing the same parent case as the 26 and 28 Nosler® cartridges, the 30 Nosler® takes all the

best attributes of currently available 30 magnums and combines them in one cartridge. The 30 Nosler®

easily meets the velocity of the 300 Weatherby, headspaces on the shoulder like a 300 RUM, has an

efficient powder column like the 300 WSM and fits in the same standard length action of a 300

Winchester Magnum.

The 30 Nosler® is a SAAMI standardized cartridge making for consistent brass and chamber dimensions

industry wide. Nosler will be supporting this new cartridge with Nosler® Brass, Trophy Grade™

Ammunition and naturally, the full line of M48 rifles in 26” barrel configurations.

The initial offerings in Nosler’s Trophy Grade™ Ammunition provide the ideal blend of velocity, power

and downrange terminal performance. They are:

Nosler® Trophy Grade™ Ammunition – 180gr AccuBond® 3200fps

Nosler® Trophy Grade™ LR Ammunition – 210gr AccuBond® LR 3000fps

The 30 Nosler® shares the same parent case as the 26 & 28 Nosler® as well as the C.O.A.L. of 3.340”

allowing this cartridge to be operated in a standard length action for lighter weight and shorter bolt throw

when compared to magnum length actions.

For the most current information on Nosler® product announcements, visit Nosler’s Facebook page at

http://www.facebook.com/NoslerInc

Here's a little more info.

http://www.30nosler.com

Less recoil....same power ? How does this occur.

Originally Posted by On_Point

Here's a little more info.

http://www.30nosler.com

Is it just me, or is their data for the comparison cartridges mighty conservative?

And the bar graphs with a 10% delta, while the bars themselves are 3x to 4x?

I wish Nosler would stick to making components.

I guess the headspace issue holds true once! While shooting factory loads..

We all know as reloaders it's a moot point.

Mike

Originally Posted by On_Point

Here's a little more info.

http://www.30nosler.com

Mmm...No question the 30 Nosler is a very good 30 caliber magnum..you can't deny any manufacturer the right to make claims for its products. But when they do it by dumbing down the competition, you cock a skeptical eye brow.

I have yet to see a 300 Weatherby that wouldn't goose a 200 gr bullet at 3000-3100 fps;or a 180 gr at 3200, both from a 26" barrel.

Ironic, in light of claims, that Noslers own loading manual shows pretty much the same things for the 300 Weatherby.

Of course both are faster than 300 Win Mag. They both hold more powder.

Agreed. The one that really proves its propaganda is the velocities they show for the RUM. I would love to know how a cartridge, based on the same case, with less volume is going to outrun its larger brethren. Yet their comparison shows it...must be true.

Surprised they didn't show it outrunning the .30-378Wby while they were on a roll.

What this boils down to is about about 5" less drop vs. .300WinMag at 400 yards with scope mounted 1.5" above bore axis and 200 yard zero.

Can someone tell me what rifles are designed for a 2 1/2" case? I'm familiar with short actions for, say, .308 and longer actions like for .300 Wea. But I don't know off hand something designed around the .30-06. What's the value?

Originally Posted by Ringman

Can someone tell me what rifles are designed for a 2 1/2" case? I'm familiar with short actions for, say, .308 and longer actions like for .300 Wea. But I don't know off hand something designed around the .30-06. What's the value?

You mean like a Mauser 98 or Ruger 77?

Originally Posted by Ringman

Can someone tell me what rifles are designed for a 2 1/2" case? I'm familiar with short actions for, say, .308 and longer actions like for .300 Wea. But I don't know off hand something designed around the .30-06. What's the value?

Rman, Kimber designed an action specifically around the '06 parent case. The value is that it's only as long & big around as it needs to be. Very slender and light.

I believe Noz was referring to the 30 not needing a true magnum length action to achieve it's ballyhooed world-beatin' ballistics.

Probably the last thing the shooting public needs is another fast 30. seems like a silly waste of resources at this point.

Agreed but I can see them wanting one with their name on it.

I like options and wouldn't mind seeing them in 22-50 caliber with all the stops in between.

Maybe I neeeed a 27 Nosler, you never know

Mike

I rather like beltless cartridges and don't really care about popularity or ammo availability (I have been hunting for more than 30 years and haven't forgot my ammo yet) so 30 nosler might interest me, but frankly Nosler is just too proud of its brass. It would pain me to pay 50% more for brass than any other source.

Id rather run 30-375 Ruger as a wildcat.

Is this on a standard long action or is it a magnum action?

std long

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2016/01/nosler-introduces-new-30-nosler-cartridge/

Originally Posted by Fotis

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The 30 Nosler® shares the same parent case as the 26 & 28 Nosler® as well as the C.O.A.L. of 3.340”

allowing this cartridge to be operated in a standard length action for lighter weight and shorter bolt throw
when compared to magnum length actions.

For those that missed this on P 3

Jerry

Magic and creative marketing, but mainly magic.

I was really wondering if there was any truth to those claims by Nosler or were they largely theoretical. Lots of folks will say things like stock design helps tame recoil such as with Melvins NULA's rifles and while I'm not doubting the word of someone like John Barsness who owns several of em, but I've not seen a lot of truth to such claims. For myself, if you take a 6 1/2 lb scoped rifle in a 30 cal. mag, like the 300 WM, it's going to kick the crap out of you. I shot a guys 300 WSM made by Jim Borden in one of his stocks and it was a beast from the bench. IIRC, it weighed right in the neighborhood of 7 lbs.

Back ca. 1913 fellow named Fred Adolph came out with belt-less cartridge that was capabable of launching 180gr bullet at about 2900fps. Considering he didn't have powers and bullets we have today that was truly an accomplishment. The "news" of this new cartridge is sort of....well,

Originally Posted by RDFinn

I was really wondering if there was any truth to those claims by Nosler or were they largely theoretical. Lots of folks will say things like stock design helps tame recoil such as with Melvins NULA's rifles and while I'm not doubting the word of someone like John Barsness who owns several of em, but I've not seen a lot of truth to such claims. For myself, if you take a 6 1/2 lb scoped rifle in a 30 cal. mag, like the 300 WM, it's going to kick the crap out of you. I shot a guys 300 WSM made by Jim Borden in one of his stocks and it was a beast from the bench. IIRC, it weighed right in the neighborhood of 7 lbs.

I know people muscle their way through the recoil of lightweight 300 magnums,but I built a 7.5# 300 Win Mag years ago and discovered it was a really bad idea.

Especially if you shoot it enough to be any good with it. No one can run fast enough to give me a 6.5# 300 Nosler.

On a side note Mule Deer has a nice article on the 28 Nosler in this months American Rifleman.

Mike

Originally Posted by BobinNH

Originally Posted by RDFinn

I was really wondering if there was any truth to those claims by Nosler or were they largely theoretical. Lots of folks will say things like stock design helps tame recoil such as with Melvins NULA's rifles and while I'm not doubting the word of someone like John Barsness who owns several of em, but I've not seen a lot of truth to such claims. For myself, if you take a 6 1/2 lb scoped rifle in a 30 cal. mag, like the 300 WM, it's going to kick the crap out of you. I shot a guys 300 WSM made by Jim Borden in one of his stocks and it was a beast from the bench. IIRC, it weighed right in the neighborhood of 7 lbs.

I know people muscle their way through the recoil of lightweight 300 magnums,but I built a 7.5# 300 Win Mag years ago and discovered it was a really bad idea.

Especially if you shoot it enough to be any good with it. No one can run fast enough to give me a 6.5# 300 Nosler.

so true, but this one has me looking at the legendary arms thing by basnser in this cal.

I had a lightweight 300 wby cut my eye open 20 years ago and still haven't recovered.

thoughts of this new cal have me hankering for a 300 H&H more than ever. What sense does that make?